Re: Playing Botticelli While Rome Burns

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And the letter is.... R!!!!

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(Let's see what you guys can make of that shall we.)

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Is there a song about your valor in killing pagans?

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3: I am not... Richard the Lion-Hearted?

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(A general note: I am going to be a weak host because my knowledge of the trivium is generally quite lacking. But my hearts in the right place! Hit me with your best shot! ATM!!1!)

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heart(')s

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did you wear a lot of red?

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Were you Russia's greatest love machine?

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8: I am not Rasputin

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7: I am not Diana Ross (?)

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Cardinal Richelieu, I was thinking

Second Order: Are you European?

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Are you renowned for playing the cello?

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3: maybe...is there a song about Richard the Lion Hearted killing pagans? I was thinking of Roland -- hero of The Song of Roland.

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11, nope: I am not European

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I'm a young poet; any advice for me?

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13: You gets a second-order, you does.

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12: Only Cellist known to me is named Ma. So you get a second-order.

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15: End all of your verses with "Fuck you, Clown."

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Rostropovich. Are you alive?

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19, nope: I am not alive

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Were you an enemy of Valentine McGillycuddy?

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2nd order -- Were you an American?

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21 -- what an awesome question! I'm afraid it has stumped me but do let me know what the reference is to -- you could combine this with asking me a second-order question.

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18 made me laugh, but it's not an answer, unless I have profoundly misremembered the work I'm thinking of.

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Did you have your own neighborhood?

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22, yup: I was an American

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24: Was 15 a first-order question? I did not recognize it as such.

25: No, I am not Mr. Rogers.

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23 - Second order question would be, perhaps, were you Caucasian? (Valentine McGillycuddy is one of the great names of American history; he was an Indian agent in the Dakotas, a friend of Crazy Horse's and an enemy of Red Cloud's.)

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28 -- thanks! -- Nope, I am not Caucasian nor am I caucasian.

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27.1: it was. Let me try another:

Do you have strong views on whether A is or is not A?

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30: I am not Ayn Rand nor am I a Randroid.

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(Can I ask another, or do I have to give everyone else a turn?)

Were you a star athlete at Rutgers?

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15 was a great first-order question, I thought.

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Is it rather embarrassing in hindsight that you won yourself that Stalin Peace Prize, because you were otherwise such a great singer and activist?

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Did Joseph McCarthy consider you an enemy of America?

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I believe I am pwned by 32 and 34.

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Did you come here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and yet discover, upon your arrival, that you had in fact run out of bubble gum?

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36: had you not said that I would not have known I was pwned by 32.

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You guys are shining, I am dim. I find myself stumped by 32, 34 (which I should know dammit!), 35 (unless the answer is "no, I am not a red" -- but I don't think that works) and 37 (which ditto about ought to know it -- know it's a line from a movie, and maybe it's some Clint Eastwoody actor, but that's all.)

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32, 34, and 35 are all the same person. (Well, 32 and 34; 35 I assume by the pwnage confession.)

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Wait! Maybe the answer to 34 is "No I am not Ronald Reagan" -- he was a socialist back in the day right? Or anyways a trade unionist.

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(by "to 34" I mean "to 35")

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(and 34 and 35 being the same person sort of negates 41.)

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Do you, in fact, not sweat and strain, body all aching and wracked with pain?

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44 looks like a lyric to the song "15 tons" -- I'm not sure if it is or how that would fit in here; so I will go ahead and award LB a second-order question.

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Are you a Princeton graduate?

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46 -- I am not Condoleeza Rice. Please!

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44 was actually following along with the 32, 34, 35 theme, although it doesn't have the same answer.

And I'm Ol' Man River.

2d Order: Were you African American?

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Did Walter Winchell convince the world that you were a traitor?

(I'm not sure if this person name qualifies, but it's what the person was best known as.)

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Actually, I wasn't going for Condi. Please!

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Were you often described as pigeon toed?

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In re 37: I guess you're not Rowdy Roddy Piper (which is a stage name, so I counted it as an "R," but if you want to call me a Cheaty McCheatypants and not count it I won't object).

Are you best known for your writing?

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48 -- I am not Afro-American.
50 -- I'm not actually sure Rice went to Princeton. If she did not, you get a second order.
49 -- you get a second order.

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Did your less-popular band release the physically unwieldy but critically acclaimed Metal Box album?

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52 -- I am not best-known for my writing
51 -- you get a second order.

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Are you a woman? (Am I supposed to reveal who I was thinking of now?)

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54 -- I am not Randy Rhodes?

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56 -- yup, I am a woman, and yup, I would be glad to know of whom you were thinking.

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I was thinking of Tokyo Rose. Probably I should have said so first, so that you could judge whether she was really an R.

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She did not. I'm switching gears, though, because this possibility is way more fun than my previous hunch. Did your breasts once get another famous American in trouble?

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Jackie Robinson. Did you die before 1940?

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57 - Nope, I was thinking of Johnny Rotten (of Sex Pistols and Public Image, Ltd. fame)

R last names are surprisingly difficult to come up with, or I'm really not in the mindset for this game.

2nd order - Were you a performer of some sort?

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state.gov suggests I was mistaken about the secretary's alma mater. Second-order for jhupp!

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Do you fight crime by dressing up in bright red and green leotards and chasing hardened felons in a brilliantly thought-out scheme?

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61 -- I did not die before 1940.
62 -- I was a performer of some sort

60 -- I am stumped. Take a second-order (or two if you wish, seeing as how you got one on the Princeton thingy.)

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Doesn't a functional answer, even if it wasn't what you were thinking of, prevent you from getting a second order?

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Silly HTML parsing engine. Silly Clown.

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(Re: 62.)

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64 -- I am not The Red Ranger? (Comic-book knowledge from my childhood is fading fast.)

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66: Yes it does; but Condoleeza Rice was not a functional answer since she did not attend Princeton. She did give a commencement address there but.

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66 - The specificity about the album name meant that it was a non-functional answer.

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I'm gonna stop asking now because I just realized my guess is still alive. Besides, other people are way better at asking funny questions. (Jane Russell)

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Ah, gotcha.

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Er, ah, also Randy Rhodes was not a functional answer since he did not record "Metal Box". I figured he might have though.

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Was your mother Betty des Flandres?

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69: Not who I was thinking of, but that probably works anyway.

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75 -- I am stumped. Second order please.

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Rin Tin Tin. (The original. Sorry! Came up in conversation today and so was the first R that popped into my mind.)

2nd order: Were you a dancer of some kind?

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Did the inheritance of your mother's provence of Aquitane lead to you ruling nearly all of western France?

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78 -- wow, that is an awesome bit of knowledge to be in possession of. I was not a dancer of any sort, at least not publically or that Mr. Clownæ is aware of.

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Did you help your moose friend develop a rocket fuel formula for the United States government based on his grandma's fudge cake recipe?

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81 is awesome

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79 has me stumped. I know 'Eleanor of Aquitane" but not who her ruling child is. Second-order please.

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Did you suffer from rising damp? (Is it cheating to use British trivia that you almost certainly won't know?)

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82 gets it exactly right. However I am not Rocky.

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84 -- It is not cheating; however it does get you license to as a second-order question.

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Would that we could all be Rocky.

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79 was Richard I. His pa, Henry II was married to Eleanor of Aquitane. (my high school had some great 1 week courses given on English royalty by an incredibly cool history teacher)

2nd order - Were you an actress on TV or Film?

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Do first-order guesses we're making now have to fulfill all the criteria Clownie has given us in second-order answers?

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88 -- nope, I was not an actress on TV or Film

89 -- the do not.

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"they" do not.

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Did you jump over your brother's wall, with unfortunate consequences?

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92 has me perplexed enough to award OFE a second-order question.

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90 - Thanks. Did you turn down the lead in both "Double Indemnity" and "The Maltese Falcon"?

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Remus, brother of Romulus, who took the piss out of Romulus' provisional wall around Rome and was killed for his pains.

Musician?

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94. I don't know. Second-order for ya.

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Were you a comedienne and member of the original SNL cast?

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86: You're not Rigsby then. (Or Leonard Rossiter, take your pick.)

Are you a musician?

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lead s/b lead role. No hanky-panky was offered by Bogie.

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Damn, OFE beat me to it, though I checked on preview.

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95 -- Not a musician.

97 -- I am not Gilda Radner.

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You're not George Raft. Were you born in the United States?

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Kobe -- You can ask a new second-order.

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Have to ask then - are you a clown?

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102 -- I was born in the USA.

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104 -- I not a clown.

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Did your buck stop here?

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107 -- I am not Roosevelt (?)

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Were you a harlot and a survivor?

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Huh. Seems like Truman was the one who popularized that slogan. But his name does not begin with an R, does it?

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109 -- I am not Rachel?

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I was thinking of Janet Reno, but that was probably unfair, so I'll forego any 2nd-order on that one.

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You impugning Rachel's character, Clownae?
Rahab the harlot of Jericho

Radio?

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What would have been the tie-in between your question and Janet R?

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113 -- oops! Yes, radio

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She (famously?) said "The buck stops here" re: Waco.

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Ah.

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Were you an off-puttingly old provider of straight-forward sexual advice?

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118 -- I am not Dr. Ruth.

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Was your crown found in a bush?

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120 -- you get a second-order.

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(that's not some kinda weird cunnilingus double-entendre is it?)

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Did you give up poetry for selling arms?

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Years after Phase I of your committee's investigation into pre-war intelligence wrapped up, are you still "intending to complete Phase II in a timely manner"?

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123 -- I don't know. Second-order please.

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124 -- I (embarrassingly) do not know. Second-order please.

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Has it ever crossed your mind that Batman might not keep catching you so easily if you stopped sending him all those clues?

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127 -- I might have thought of that if I were the Riddler, but since I am not, I have not.

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So you're not Senator Pat Roberts (lucky you!).

Did you pass away within the last decade?

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129 -- Yep, I passed away within the last decade.

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Did you ask Bob Hoskins to find out if your wife was playing pattycake with someone else?

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so you're not Rimbaud.

2nd order -- were you born in the U.S.A.?

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132 -- That has been asked 2 times already. Why not go with a new 2nd-order. Or if you insist I will answer that one again.

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You don't appear to be Richard III.

So you're a non-white, non-African-American female radio entertainer who passed away in the last decade.

Were you funny?

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131 -- again I find myself tantalizingly close to catching your reference but ultiimately it eludes me. Second order please.

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134 -- I was not a comedienne.
(Everyone's asking me about kings named Richard!)

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(That is to say -- funny's in the ear of the beholder. But being funny was not my porpoise in life.)

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You're not Roger Rabbit. Were you a stage performer?

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Scratch that! Missed the radio think. Did you have a noticable accent?

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133--oops!

I'll try again....Were you an Asian-American?

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139 -- Clownæ is going to plead ignorance here: he thinks I probably did have a noticable accent but he is not sure.

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140 -- yup, I was Asian-American.

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Did you adapt a French play about Spaniards whose sequel had already been adapted by an Austrian?

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Tokyo Rose was already mentioned in the thread, but not in a context that was entitled to an answer. I'm just throwing that out in case people think she was eliminated.

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143 stumps me. OFE gets a second-order.

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Was your wife's horse named Buttermilk?

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146 -- I'm not Rob Roy?

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Rossini (Barber of Seville). OK, were you convicted of treason?

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I think you're aiming for the right person, but you actually aren't Roy Rogers.

And are you Tokyo Rose?

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Ack! That is to say Roy Rogers. Second-order for LB.

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149 -- I am Tokyo Rose.

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148 -- I was convicted of treason.

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Heh. That's a weird Botticelli problem that's come up before -- one tends to think that if a name has been mentioned and the game isn't over, then the name's eliminated. This is, however, not always the case.

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Aw, darn, I had no idea that the mechanics of the game didn't mean she'd been eliminated.

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Waaaaaaaaait a minute! I call foolsies!

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151 - Ok, it's Wikipedia time

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But I never even said "I am not Tokyo Rose". According to the authoritative rules as laid down by T(itan)ia, I could have done so. But instead I said nothing about whether I was or was not TR.

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154; Actually, the way I play, I would have ended the game back when you said you were thinking of Tokyo Rose, but I don't think there's a rule that handles the situation well.

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I take it you didn't recognize the Walter Winchell fact, then?

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I did not.

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Is anyone willing to lead another game? Or do I actually have to work for some of this afternoon?

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