Re: Swistle

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So we're not supposed to go all Internet Mean Girls on this one?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:55 AM
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I approve of "There's no way I'm going to Google nut allergies" as a parenting philosophy.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:04 AM
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Ignoring is the Internet's Meanest Girl trick of all.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 10:32 AM
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"Stuff white people whistle"


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 10:33 AM
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I like this similarly-themed personal blog. The author's got a pretty familiar voice.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 11:24 AM
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People still have personal blogs in 2013?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 11:29 AM
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I hadn't read her before, though I've mostly stopped reading personal blogs I enjoy and switched to just hate-reading. (Um, not your, heebz!) I think her baby naming suggestions seem great.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 1:12 PM
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I loved reading the blog of a friend of Swistle's, Jonniker, but she stopped updating, boo! I went through her entire archive, which goes back something like a decade. I read Jonniker on Twitter for awhile but I can't handle the minutiae of her tweets about raising raising two girls. It's a lot about princess dresses and screaming.


Posted by: LizSpigot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 1:59 PM
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Does anyone have any suggestions for blogs? I read all the ones from contributors to here of course. It's time for me to get obsessed with a new Mimi Smartypants type blog.


Posted by: LizSpigot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:07 PM
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Speaking of Orange Is The New Black, I was riding the bus yesterday, and could not help but notice that the 60-something Edina matron in front of me was watching an episode of that vaunted program on her smart phone. She had her earbuds plugged in, so I did not catch the dialog, but it appeared that the opening credits sequence featured a flashback to a scene of one of the prisoners performing cunnilingus on another? And this is something that upper-middle class white ladies are perfectly nonchalant about parading in front of all and sundry on public transportation? O tempora! O mores!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:28 PM
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10: Lee was rather impressed with the brazenness of some scenes, though we're watching it safely past child bedtime, Perhaps you looked like you could handle it?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:37 PM
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After reading 50 Shades of Grey on transit, UMC white ladies have no remaining shame.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:45 PM
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10: I watched an episode of Orange is the New Black and I don't think the opening credits sequence features anything-lingus. There was a scene in the first ep with a corrections officer gratuitously abusing authority and I thought "I can take the Q100 and see this any day" and decided maybe I'm fine with the old black.

A friend of mine just started a public blog. Maybe I will link it when he has posted more. He's smart in an unfoggedy way and very funny though also I think sometimes fragile about internet interactions, like he started thinking about blogging years ago when people still blogged and hesitated endlessly because strangers on the internet are so frequently dicks.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:50 PM
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I'll reprise part of tweet from my daughter I posted here recently: Library work is great except for the paycheck & seeing who is reading 50 Shades of Grey.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:50 PM
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14 -> 12


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:51 PM
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13.1: It is possible that I misread that shot, as it was a fairly quick cutaway from the main narrative, but if it wasn't a sex scene, it sure looked like one.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:58 PM
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14, the same is true of the DC Metro. Especially those with expressive faces. Ick.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 2:59 PM
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14: I believe I already mentioned having dinner some time back with my mother, her old high school friend, and that friend's husband; 50SoG came up, and all three of these 65+ folks had read it. Well, the husband had skimmed some.

Awkward dinner!


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 3:12 PM
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18.last: Turtles all the way down.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 3:15 PM
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18: Yeah, that's similar to the time we were sitting around with my uncle and his girlfriend and she spontaneously brought up the story of a cow-orker of hers who was a big exponent of the pleasures of the BDSM lifestyle, and would drive to anonymous assignations with gentlemen of the same proclivity on her lunch breaks. "I don't know if this is inappropriate for an inter-generational conversation" she said.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 3:16 PM
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16: Oh maybe I misread what you were saying. There's definitely a scene of [I would like to create internal thread-merge and say "turtles going all the way down on turtles" but it's a bit of a stretch] in the first episode so it could surely be flashed back to, but it isn't, like, part of the titles sequence.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 3:19 PM
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21: Huh, I mean, I sure thought that there were names still flashing up on the screen at that point.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 3:24 PM
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Last autumn I acquired a new tutee, and his mum brought him the first week and sat in her car on my (what we might optimistically call a) drive reading Fifty Shades. I just figured it couldn't be that good if you could comfortably read it in public.

And whilst I'm on the subject - saw on my fb tonight someone had shared a picture entitled Fifty Ways to Take a Break, with little messages and drawings of all the ways, and none of them were "have a wank". I know, I was surprised too.

I hardly read any blogs any more. Too many personal blogs seem to be far too concerned with their freebies and reviews and monetization.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 4:03 PM
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Ok yeah we're just not using "titles sequence" the same way. There is no cunnilingus in the bit with the theme song and the name of the main stars played every week.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 4:21 PM
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24: I think you might both be right that there isn't any in the first episode but there may be in later ones. I'll weigh in for sure if the girls ho to bed at a decent hour and we actually get to watch another episode. The full-page ad in Out certainly contained Natasha Lyonne's showe stall cunnilingus scene from the first episode and it rings a bell that the clip is reused in the title sequence, but I can't really picture the title sequence now anyway,

That's mostly because we surprised the girls with a nice Cajun dinner at our faborite too-pricey-but-delicious hole-in-the-wall and a young (20ish, skin-tight jeans and tube top and Monroe-pierced) white fellow diner first made a point of saying how adorable the girls are and then stopped by as she was leaving to say she'd grown up with two moms and loved seeing our family. We know other adult queerspawn, but that was the first time we've had this sort of encounter and I think all three of us adults were a bit misty-eyed about ot!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 4:32 PM
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The full-page ad in Out certainly contained Natasha Lyonne's showe stall cunnilingus scene

Sold.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 4:34 PM
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... because feminism.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 4:45 PM
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26: And it turns out I was totally lying about that. It's a fully clothed shower make-out scene but such a thing hasn't happened in the first three or four episodes and so I assumed it was just the artfully shot shower cunnilingus rather than an implicit reference to it. My mistake.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 5:06 PM
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fully clothed shower make-out scene

Bobo annoyance: do not have `ADA grab bars' in new low-step tiled shower stall. Is now prettiest room in house, probably with best lighting, and large enough for a make-out scene in hoops, let alone modern clothes. Oversight.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 5:40 PM
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In tragic irony, someone else will have to be at the front lines of looking out for lesbian sex because we are too tired. Lee is going to bed now and I will get to if/when Mara ever falls asleep.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:12 PM
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I enjoy hate-reading a certain blog previously discussed on Unfogged, and then e-mailing Thorn to complain about the author. It exercises my snotty-and-judgmental muscle without (one hopes) hurting anyone.

In other news, I've reached the stage of my life in which invitations to my friends' weddings have been far surpassed by invitations to those of my grad students. I assume that means I only have to shell out for wedding gifts rather than the whole shower + bachelor/ette rigmarole. Thankfully, my students seem to be marrying non-academics, so I get to have the "dragging a trailing spouse" talk with them rather than the "two-body problem" talk.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:20 PM
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You've already had the "you aren't actually going to get a job, probably" talk with them?


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:22 PM
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I enjoy hate-reading a certain blog previously discussed on Unfogged, and then e-mailing Thorn to complain about the author.

WHICH ONE you can tell me through other channels if necessary.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:25 PM
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34: Many others hate-read too, though I suspect nosflow doesn't.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:33 PM
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32: of course. By the time we're talking about jobs, they've already heard my "are you sure you wouldn't be happier doing something else?" talk multiple times.

34: foster/hood/dot/tumblr/com
She makes me crazy.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:35 PM
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Gah, not only am I not having consensual prison sex, but I can't close my tags while rocking a 55-lb. child to sleep. I'm a lesbian failure on all fronts!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:35 PM
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37: I think the fact that our group bed stayed chaste at the flophouse means at least three of us are failures on some front.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:41 PM
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Weren't there only three of you total?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:42 PM
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Right, three of us commenters.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:46 PM
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37-40 were actually auto-generated in substitution for a dispute between robert halford and PGD about the Statute of Anne. This concludes the free trial of that premium feature.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:50 PM
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I'm not gonna pay my hard-earned mouse orgasms for conversations about people not having threesomes.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:53 PM
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38: I did have to steal awl's cover off him while he was sleeping, which I feel very bad about though not in a hot way.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:53 PM
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43: And that was after we had all taken pictures of him adorably sprawled out on the couch, right?


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:55 PM
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42: NO ORGASMS FOR NOT-ORGASMS, shall be the banner beneath which we march.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:55 PM
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Right, three of us commenters.

So all that can really be concluded is that at least two of you are failures on some front, right?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 6:59 PM
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46: I do not follow your math.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:08 PM
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I am assuming that an unchaste act would require two people (which is, I suppose, not true) and that any such unchaste act would involve only willing participants.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:13 PM
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48: Aha, yes. I think I was counting all three guilty of not attempting/suggesting unchaste acts (at least with those present).


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:24 PM
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Unless Thorn and x.trapnel have something they'd like to share with the rest of us.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:24 PM
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48: No way will I break the sanctity of the (off-blog) chastest sex grotto this side of the Rockies and drunk men tell no tales, so keep pushing J on the details.

Sort of on that note, I'm reading the book on sex and high-achieving 20-something women that trapnel recommended and while I'm only about 70 pages in, it's really making me sad how many of them were sexually active for years and years before having a partnered orgasm. I know that's fairly normal, but it really does seem like one of those things that would be considered unacceptable the other way around. (And apologies if i'm casting aspersions on others' preferred orgasm styles or what have you.)


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:25 PM
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I'm still not following 'at least two'. Is this one of those problems like asking how many socks you need to pull out of a drawer before you have a pair?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:27 PM
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I'm still not following 'at least two'. Is this one of those problems like asking how many socks you need to pull out of a drawer before you have a pair?

Suppose that we are only interested in unchaste acts involving at two or more participants.

Now if there are three people, then if only one of them is a failure, the other two will be able to engage in unchaste acts with each other. But if two are failures, then the third may not even propose an unchaste act, sensing that the proposition will not be taken up.

Thus, at least two failures.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:32 PM
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Ah, I misunderstood what it was to be a failure.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:33 PM
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51 seems to imply that unchaste deeds were done.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:34 PM
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I think 55 is a wishful misreading.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:35 PM
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Well then why am I to keep pushing J, on the details? Or is that some kind of euphemism?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:36 PM
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(In which case it sounds potentially uncomfortable.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:36 PM
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Just because it was what you were doing anyway while I, alas, have nothing to cough up for you.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 7:43 PM
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57: IYKWIM


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:00 PM
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I just had a bourbon. So you all had a meetup in a lesbian prison, and Nosflow didn't have an orgasm because of failure he's trying to blame on others?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:03 PM
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60: well, yes. Hence the second sentence.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:12 PM
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61: Precisely. And now, I'm off to bed. By myself.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:33 PM
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Oh, I had an orgasm.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:36 PM
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Let me tell you.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:36 PM
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Yes, sir.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:36 PM
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Yessirreebobmcmanus.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:37 PM
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And it was


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Quite


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a


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one


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to boot.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:37 PM
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Oh, yes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:38 PM
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To be perfectly explicit about what I'm claiming:


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:38 PM
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I am claiming that I had an orgasm at the party in DC.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:39 PM
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It was in the kitchen,


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:39 PM
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but not the downstairs kitchen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:39 PM
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(IYKWIM)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:39 PM
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It was, rather, in the upstairs kitchen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:39 PM
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And that's about all there is to say about that.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:42 PM
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Well, except to clarify that the upstairs kitchen is only upstairs relative to the downstairs kitchen. The kitchen I am calling "upstairs" is actually on the ground floor.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:44 PM
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The downstairs kitchen being, then, underneath the ground floor.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:45 PM
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The attendees doubtless understood what I meant, but I wouldn't want to mislead the other readers.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:45 PM
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I want everyone to have as accurate a picture of my orgasm as possible.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:46 PM
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I mean, my had-in-DC-during-the-party orgasm.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:46 PM
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One might think that "my orgasm", in comment 84, implies that I've only ever had the one.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:47 PM
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That, however, is not true.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:47 PM
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Far from true!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:47 PM
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But I am straying from the topic.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:48 PM
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I did only have the one during the party.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:50 PM
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But, as already indicated, it was quite
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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:50 PM
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Henceforth, please understand references to "my orgasm" to mean the sole orgasm I had during the party in DC.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:51 PM
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At least, until otherwise indicated, or another orgasm of mine becomes conversationally salient.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:51 PM
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Which could happen sooner than you think!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:52 PM
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They're very interesting and capable of sustaining endless discussion.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:52 PM
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The one I had in DC in particular.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:52 PM
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I'm afraid I'm too modest to go into too much detail.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:53 PM
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Without, at least, being asked!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:53 PM
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Please imagine a coquettish titter here.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:53 PM
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(A frightening enough prospect, to be sure!)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:53 PM
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But not an inappropriate one, I think.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 8:54 PM
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When do we get to the part with the tweeker indigenous woman, neb?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:07 PM
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As descriptions of Labs go, I've seen worse.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:11 PM
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Also I believe it's "tweaker".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:12 PM
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I think I saw that kitchen when we were hooked up with the video chat whatchamadoolie, but I'm nearly certain that I was not witness to neb's orgasm.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:19 PM
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104: THE definitive source disagrees.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:23 PM
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Said source is not unambiguously on your side.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:24 PM
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Well, it does indicate that your usage is acceptable too.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:24 PM
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The fourth definition, neb?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:26 PM
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Nosflow, you're the best.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:26 PM
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But sure, either spelling is fine, I suppose.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:27 PM
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I note that neb still hasn't actually answered 102.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:30 PM
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The fourth definition, neb?

Well, the fourth item under the first definition, but the person who wrote that was clearly not ordering his definitions properly.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:32 PM
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I note that neb still hasn't actually answered 102.

Haven't I, teo? Haven't I?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:34 PM
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No, you haven't.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:37 PM
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Not that I particularly care, mind you.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:37 PM
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I don't know anything about Orange is the New black except Netflix got pretty blunt with marketing it. They barely even pretended they were recommending it based on the usual recommendation system. "Oh, hey, we saw that you've recently watched the interplay of light on a screen accompanied by sounds. Based on this recent activity we think you will enjoy this show."


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:39 PM
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I don't even know how to capitalize the title properly.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:41 PM
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Maybe you're having an orgasm.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 9:49 PM
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I'm really not sure what to think about 64-100. Goodness.


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 11:18 PM
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You should be in awe.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 11:23 PM
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(I know I am.)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-16-13 11:23 PM
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Alone or accompanied?


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 12:25 AM
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A question for the ages.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 12:28 AM
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What hath God wrought?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 1:33 AM
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64-100 is a lure. Sure, now it's all brilliant flashy orgasm threads. Then everyone buys a premium subscription, but they're going to cut all LB content in September, and who knows what will go next.


Posted by: Awl | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 1:36 AM
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-in +until


Posted by: Awl | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 1:37 AM
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So neb blew a load in the punchbowl?


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 4:50 AM
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So am I correct in inferring from the OITNB discussion that the "chicks behind bars" genre has gone respectable?

Strange times we're living in.

I guess all those exploitation film makers who labored unsung back in the 70s can rest easy now. Society has caught up with their vision at last.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 5:03 AM
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Someone's in the kitchen with nosflow
Someone's in the kitchen I know
Someone's in the kitchen with nosflow
Cummin' in the old punchbowl.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 5:15 AM
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I was wondering why the kitchen sink became clogged.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 6:34 AM
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You'd have to have very thick semen to clog up a sink.

And thanks for the earworm, Barry.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 6:42 AM
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What is the sink was already draining poorly?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 6:48 AM
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nosflow's semen is dense but erudite.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 7:00 AM
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Comments 81-83 are a tiny David Markson novella.

125 is the only appopriate reaction to 64-100.

Maybe a tweeker is a tweaker who is a tween.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 7:00 AM
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131 made me laugh so right back at ya.

How many mouse orgasms do I get for inducing earworms? And how many do I need to summon Alameida?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 7:05 AM
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And how many do I need to summon Alameida?

First we need the mouse orgasm to human orgasm exchange rate, then multiply by at least seven.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 7:10 AM
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First we need the mouse orgasm to human orgasm exchange rate

Mouse orgasms are the new Bitcoins. (Naughtybitcoins, if you will.)


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 8:16 AM
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Bitgasms. F2P comment 41 -> 139.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-17-13 9:11 AM
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Is it correct to describe a floor as a "ground floor" when it's at least several steps up?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-18-13 8:47 AM
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Comments 81-83 are a tiny David Markson novella.

In the beginning, sometimes I left my dick in the mashed potatoes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 8:39 PM
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