Re: Guest Post - two-timers

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Only adulterous women? Are the male adulterers getting off Scot free? And do you capitalize "Scot" in Scot free? And is it a slur against Scots? So many questions.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 7:35 AM
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Is anybody else thinking of that time in Love at Stake where the one guy from SCTV says, "That woman is an adulteress" and the other guy from SCTV says, "And a really good one."?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 7:38 AM
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Did anyone read the whole article?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:01 AM
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You must not mean this Do It Again.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:03 AM
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3: It was pay walled. But I think Love At Stake is on Netflicks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:05 AM
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If you go in through this google search, it isn't paywalled:

https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Torah+is+unequivocal%3A+If+a+man+commits+adultery+with+a+married+woman%2C+both+man+and+woman+shall+be+put+to+death.+The+modern+State+of+Israel%2C+in+contrast%2C+has+no+laws+against+adultery%2C+so+adulterers+can+live+freely.+But+what+they+can%E2%80%99t+do+is+marry+the+pe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:07 AM
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Realizing that that video proves that the Kinks meet k-sky's test of bands with big hits 20 years apart, albeit just barely. "Come Dancing With The Kinks" was huge, but I don't think they ever had a radio/video hit after that, and they were effectively defunct by '88.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:08 AM
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5: Right, what I really meant to ask was whether anyone had access to the article?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:13 AM
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Yup, nope, it was the Steely Dan one.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:14 AM
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The topic reminds me that I want to re-watch A Serious Man when next I get the chance. (I was going to comment that that film was underrated, but evidently it was quite well received critically, and was nominated for Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture.)


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:19 AM
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Realizing that that video proves that the Kinks meet k-sky's test of bands with big hits 20 years apart, albeit just barely.

This just reminded me of the claim (from wikipedia) that, "[Cher] is the only artist to date to have a number-one single on a Billboard chart in each of the past six decades."

That's impressive.
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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:24 AM
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Reminded of my idea to have a rapist/abuser escrow file, so people who have been victimized but don't want to report it on their own can put the name in storage, and if enough other people put in the same name they all get automatically contacted and given the opportunity to meet and discuss.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:26 AM
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Interesting idea, but my god you'd want to be very very very careful about getting security right.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:49 AM
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Oh yes. A bit like online dating though - a good screen for a lot of stuff is making sure the meetings are in public.

Although that all assumes the people meeting up are relatively near each other. If it could inadvertently expose the location of someone who fled...


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 8:53 AM
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12: I've informally done some of that. Because I was the "out" person on campus when it came to sexual assault, I heard stories implicating the same person and in a few cases was able to do some matchmaking to get people together to talk about it by inviting them into a support group. Some sorority leaders had similar efforts, but I think all of us tried to keep it a moderated discussion in some respects rather than just leaving the victims alone with one another at first at least.

I don't actually know how great Minivet's idea is for people who are healing. Sometimes it's better to know you're not alone, but I feel a lot of just hypothetical guilt that because I didn't report my rape promptly and because it was never prosecuted, he could have gone on to rape other people and I'd feel some responsibility for not having stopped that. I know that's irrational but it's there and I'm not sure whether knowing rather than suspecting it's a pattern of behavior would have helped me. I think getting an email about it even if I'd opted in would be horrible.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:03 AM
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And do you capitalize "Scot" in Scot free? And is it a slur against Scots?

Yes and yes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:04 AM
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16: Apparently not? Of course, we could just avoid the entire problem and repurpose it into a slur against Scotts.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:12 AM
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Law French strikes again!


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:17 AM
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Yep, OED lists it uncapitalized and also lists the word scot, tax, cognate with Swedish, although people have been associating it wrongly with Scotland for centuries - it's sometimes cited capitalized or as "scotchfree" or "scotts-free".


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:18 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZZ3e8mZP1M

Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley's real names are Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen, by the way.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:20 AM
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Law French strikes again!

In his general address to the potential jurors for the trial I was just on the judge misidentified "voir dire" as legal Latin.

I did not correct him.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:22 AM
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Huh, I guess the story of the word goes Old Norse->Norman->Law French->legal term for a real tax->obscure reference kept alive only in phrase "scot free."


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:23 AM
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Per the OED, there's OE sceot which mainly came down to modern English as "shot", Latin scotum, scottum, its old French equivalent escot, and Old Norse skot, and it's unclear how England jumbled all these around into what we have today.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:24 AM
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Bizarrely, it looks like a cognate of the word also existed in Old French as a loan from the Germanic language Frankish/Old Franconian. So it was present in all of the old Germanic languages of that area, as well as the prestige Romantic language. Funny that it's almost gone.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:26 AM
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It survives in all the Scandinavian languages as the main word for "tax" (Danish skat, Icelandic skattur, both Norwegians and Swedish skatt). Also, looking through the Wiktionary translations, maybe also in the Caucasus: the Avar for "tax" is закат.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:31 AM
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And do you capitalize "Scot" in Scot free? And is it a slur against Scots?

So, Scot-free does not derive from William Wallace shouting "Freedom" before going to battle with the English, as interpreted to us by Mel Gibson?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 9:40 AM
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Oops, I thought the Avar word was evidence of historical Norse presence/influence in Russia, but on further examination more likely from Arabic zakat.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 10:14 AM
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27: you beat me to it. The only Norse influence I know of down there are the names of the Dnieper cataracts, which apparently show clear Norse antecedents, which would make sense.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 04-28-15 1:34 PM
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