Hmmmm. I always took the plan literally, and assumed we would target fertilizer companies. Perhaps I'm missing something.
That's what I said a few days ago. The last time people executed the BURN SHIT DOWN plan, my neighborhood went up in smoke. It's kind of hard to say "No! The white people's stuff! I mean... the other white people's stuff!"
As Smasher said when we were discussing this the other day: "Cross the river THEN burn shit down."
What shit are you going to burn down?
Pier One. Hugo Boss. The Gap. Target, just because of the name. Wal-Mart.
Just suggestions, of course, not planning or coordinating.
Fertilizer companies are an important source of high explosives.
Are the ladies going to burn shit down if Hillary doesn't make or it, or is burning shit down strictly a black thing? What about the Italians if Mussolini fails. ("A small man lookin for a meathook").
I worried considerably about this a few years back when the Kings were in the West Coast Finals. Where would we riot and overturn cars? Which park would we all flock to, in estatic revelry that turned dangerous as the sun went down?
My forethought was never resolved, and sadly not needed.
The shit that should be burned down should be shit owned by Republicans, for starters.
Consider Schelling's theory of focal points.
And then explain it to me, because I've never understood it.
4 - Awww....no! We just got our Target! It hasn't even opened yet! Don't burn it down!
Amway. Amway should go.
They have the best security force of anyone, unfortunately.
10: What can I tell you? The Revolution is sacrifice.
After the Steelers Super Bowl victory I believe one car was overturned in rioting, that being the only car parked along a certain block near the university at that time. I think it belonged to a chemistry grad student from Korea.
I myself will be leading the cell directed at airport security screening stations. I love infrastructure with all my heart, and wouldn't want an airport to get damaged, but I would howl with glee as I watch screening stations burn.
I will station safety monitors to make sure the fire doesn't spread past there.
I'm mostly joking, but this is actually a serious problem with the rioting strategy.
Ain't a strategy. It's a response.
6: After one of the mid-90s Bulls championships, a bunch of North Shore shitheads were arrested for having basically wilded their way down Michigan Ave., tearing up a Krochs and Brentanos, a Gap, etc. Mike Royko wrote an article naming their names, as surely would have been done if a bunch of Chicago kids had gone up and trashed downtown Winnetka, but ended up running a sort of rumination on this point instead, since he didn't think the names of anybody's children ought to printed in such circumstances.
5: "Doesn't make it?" The BURN SHIT DOWN plan only goes into effect if Obama is assassinated at any point between now and the end of his eligibility for the presidency.
Cross the river THEN burn shit down.
Ha, try coming over here to VA from DC with your piddling hand guns. We have real (that is few) gun laws over here. We also have the Pentagon. I think you should take New York first.
Surely a distinctive quality of rioters is their lack of strategy. If they had, they would be called terrorists, or something.
If he ends up running as Veep, should we downgrade to TEAR SHIT UP? Or even LIGHTLY BRULEE SHIT?
19: I'd add to 15, "ain't a riot".
FLAMBE SHIT IN ACCORD WITH PROPER SAFETY PROTOCOL!!
What shit are you going to burn down?
Flammable shit. duh.
4: Pier One. Hugo Boss. The Gap. Target, just because of the name. Wal-Mart.
Just suggestions, of course, not planning or coordinating.
The first rule of BURN SHIT DOWN Club is that you do not talk about BURN SHIT DOWN Club.
The second rule of BURN SHIT DOWN Club is that you DO NOT talk about BURN SHIT DOWN Club!
...
And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at BURN SHIT DOWN Club, you have to BURN SHIT DOWN.
Cross the river THEN burn shit down.
Ha, try coming over here to VA from DC with your piddling hand guns.
Watch me refrain from making a really in-bad-taste swimming joke.
I can't manage to joke about this. Actually. Might have something to do with the sinus infection.
It occurs to me that I don't know where the BURN SHIT DOWN thing came from in the first place. In any event, having read today about the effectiveness of union strikes in France; and about the effectiveness of Republican whitey storming ballot recount offices in Florida lo those years ago (yo: it worked) ... but those are preemptive actions.
BURN SHIT DOWN just reminds me of Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing.
It occurs to me that I don't know where the BURN SHIT DOWN thing came from in the first place.
Kung Fu Monkey blog
28: It occurs to me that I don't know where the BURN SHIT DOWN thing came from in the first place.
What's wrong with you people? read first, then burn.
I don't know where the BURN SHIT DOWN thing came from in the first place
18:I think you should take New York first.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I'm coming now, I'm coming to reward them
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
Dudes, this post and thread are just embarrassing.
Bank branches and Cold Stone Creameries.
My father is convinced (unhappily) that Michael Bloomberg is going to be our next president, because a black man won't be able to win, and all of the current Republicans are similarly unelectable. Does anyone have any ideas on how to talk him out of this beyond my initial reaction, which was "Huh?"
35: At least we haven't discussed what we should wear to the riot yet.
35 - I think the idea of Ogged as Stone Cold Revenge Killer in the stalking thread is more embarrassing than this one, if we're just going by the last 24 hours.
38: At least we haven't discussed what we should wear to the riot yet.
I thought that was what was going on here.
35: You're just jealous that no one wants to BURN SHIT DOWN for Hillary.
Burning shit down is the will of Allah.
39: That was just embarrassing for *Ogged*. This thread's embarrassing for all of us.
This "planning" is just evidence of the prevailing Vanguardist crypto-Leninist State-Socialist revanchism around here.
I could go to Marxists.org and bring back some quotes, but Rosa Luxemberg on the "General Strike" has this covered.
Just give your dad a water buffalo to kill and he'll forget what he was trying to say.
Lucky for her that Naomi Klein doesn't read comment sections of obscure blogs, because with the help of Rosa, I totally like humiliated her a while back. Really.
Unfogged's prevailing Vanguardist crypto-Leninist State-Socialist revanchism is exactly the reason why I never want my mother to visit this site.
Point out that Bloomberg is not, technically, even in the race?
(He didn't declare when I wasn't paying attention, did he?)
48 to 37, part of which I was sure I had quoted.
Yeah, I think he's having visions of a brokered convention for the Republicans.
A brokered convention that selects Bloomberg, who is no longer a Republican?
I tried organizing you fucks before. I could make BURN SHIT DOWN targeted, effective and safe, but you'd just get distracted and wander into the first bookstore we pass.
Well, you'll come around when Cheney cancels the elections, and because I'm that good, I'll have contingency plans that include spontaneous recruits. They'll just have to get less safety training.
I'd be curious what happens if the evangelicals feel like Huckabee got suckered out of the nomination. A lot of them would have to travel a long way to burn shit that didn't belong to people like them. They'd probably end up here, the bastards.
'Cuse me, looking for some Talking Heads lyrics or something. This ain't no picnic, this ain't no party, this ain't no foolin around.
WTF does those "Burning Down the House" lyrics mean anyway? Jeez.
I tried organizing you fucks before. I could make BURN SHIT DOWN targeted, effective and safe, but you'd just get distracted and wander into the first bookstore we pass.
Maybe this time we should make the post titles red.
Well OK then, IA. We never wanted your mother here anyway, Miss Smartypants.
I'd be curious what happens if the evangelicals feel like Huckabee got suckered out of the nomination. A lot of them would have to travel a long way to burn shit that didn't belong to people like them.
Nah, these days there's Mexicans everywhere.
these days there's Mexicans everywhere.
Racist.
51: He's not? I knew he never was before running for mayor, but didn't know that he wasn't again.
Pier One. Hugo Boss. The Gap. Target, just because of the name. Wal-Mart.
Let's keep Target and Pier One. Come the Revolution, we'll need inexpensive housewares and lots of nice candles.
Anyway, I have my target picked out: THE CONFEDERATE FLAG ON THE STATE HOUSE GROUNDS, BITCHES!
I think that the Talking Heads lyrics were blazing a trail for the irony generation with their possibly-tongue-in-cheek-possibly-not, revolution song.
Tina Weymouth is the ex-sister-in-law of Lally Weymouth, a legendarily spoiled Washington Post heiress who screwed both George Will and Alexander Cockburn. I think that she was competing in some sort of fucked-up-heiress competition. Screwing avant-garde poets and junkies is so cliche.
"possibly-tongue-in-cheek / possibly-not revolution song."
We regret the error.
I knew he never was before running for mayor, but didn't know that he wasn't again.
He is now registered independent.
59: He undid his Republican registration, but didn't sign up as a Dem. In NY can you register independent?
Huh. I suppose Dad thinks he'll run as an Independent, and win, then. Can't see how.
Lally and Tina will be on the test, kids. I repeat things for a reason.
I would like to register a vote in favor of flaming desserts. And entrees. And appetizers. Hell, if you set a bowl of oatmeal on fire, I'll eat it.
66: From the AP wire today. Perhaps you can soothe your pops with the happy Obama talk:
"I don't really think the mayor wants to run. Does that mean the mayor would never run if he still views the system as failing?" said former Sen. David Boren, D-Okla., one of the meeting's organizers, after the event. "I think he's a good American, and I don't think he would close the door on it if he thought it was his duty."The other leader of the summit, former Sen. Sam Nunn, D-Ga., said the chances of a third-party bid have been dramatically altered by Democrat Barack Obama's victory in Iowa and his embrace of bipartisan unity, combined with other candidates' moves toward the center.
"It's changed the calculation anybody would make in terms of whether they were going to run," Nunn said after the forum.
oudemia:
Did you make that cheese in your pictures>
screwed both George Will and Alexander Cockburn.
Was she really bipartisan or was she just experimenting?
Ha! I wish I could make an époisses! No, it is from a fabulous fromagerie in the Place d'Aligre market. Better answer: Oh, thanks! I got it in Paris!
It is a lovely, runny, stinky thing.
52:
I could make BURN SHIT DOWN targeted, effective and safe
Bleh. Effective for what? In the hypothetical, the deed is done.
B's right: embarrassing. How many people here have even participated in a demonstration? There are guidelines for dealing with arrest and shit.
Anyway.
B, Parsimon: If they're all still on Facebook, we're probably not going to be able to interest them in actual security culture.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
Me! I also started a riot at a movie theater once, following a showing of Bride Of Chucky.
WTF does those "Burning Down the House" lyrics mean anyway? Jeez.
All the lyrics on that album were largely written just to sound good with the music, except "This Must Be The Place". They sound pretty stupid when removed from the music, which makes me appreciate the first five R.E.M. albums for Stipe's ability to do that while creating lines that are poetic and memorable.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
I! I helped to demonstrate a computer project I worked on in college.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
Not a spontaneous one, but I did a lot of planned protests with the campus AmnestyIntl and SolidarityForWorkers groups. Even went to the annual anti-School of the Americas protest, a couple years before South American leaders started getting elected who would actually cut ties with the SOA. It appeared like a completely pointless endeavor at the time.
Nothing that was seen as threatening by the cops, though. I wasn't at the one where the cops formed a circle around the people marching down a downtown street, ordered them to disperse, and then when they were unable to disperse threw them all in jail for the night. That convinced some of us college people that we were on the side of justice rather than just the side of Bob Marley fans.
Much as I do love REM, Michael Stipe has always been on very intimate terms with that fine line between "poetic and memorable" and "pretty stupid."
Oh, I'm on FB. And I know why it's a bad idea. And I've gone to demonstrations. But still, I'm just saying.
They were funky Chinamen from funky Chinatown,
They were burning shit up, they were burning shit down.
OT: Give me a few famous, dead women. Rory needs to do a report on someone famous and dead and since all the initial options that she came up with were men, we wanted to at least think of a few women too to choose among. We came up with the obvious -- Susan B. Anthony, Sakajawea, Amelia Earhart. Any other good thoughts? (Amongst the men, she was choosing between Einstein, Thomas Edison, and Benjamin Franklin.)
Ann Bonney and Mary Read! They were my heroes when I was a kid.
It is hard to find a better story than Carry Nation.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
How many have not? At the risk of making a ass out of you and me, I would guesstimate that at least half of the regulars (more, I would hope) hauled themselves to at least one demonstration to stop the war, even if Sgt. Slauggedter was for it.
I have a strong resume for my age group here: arrested in seven different civil disobedience actions, though none incurred too-serious risk of police violence. Picketed hotels, commercial buildings, universities, movie studios, Democratic Party conventions and grocers from Hawaii to Connecticut. Marched with anti-privateers in San Salvador, which was maybe not such a good idea at the time. Did on-camera spokespersoning during a police riot. Brought much-needed hand percussion instruments to anti-war rally.
John Sweeney before getting 350 people arrested in the streets of [University Town], in his nasal Queens brogue: "As poet John Donne might have said, 'Ask not for whom the bell tolls, [University] -- it tolls for thee!'"
81, that's why I only referred to the first five albums.
What shit are you going to burn down?
it's hot enough here, thanks. It's nighttime, in mid-winter, and I'm really about to have to turn the AC on. I'm stripped to me undies and still sweating.
This has been your global warming mini-report. Back to you, mineshaft.
I read 86 and confused Carrie Nation with Lizzie Borden. Probably because of the hatchet.
But Lizzie Borden: Also a good report topic!
At the risk of making a ass out of you and me
I know. I already apologized.
Marie Curie? Lady Mary Wortley Montagu (who introduced smallpox vaccination to England, btw)? Harriet Tubman? Elizabeth Carter, who wrote the (still, I believe) definitive translation of Epictetus (a stoic philosopher) and rigged up some kind of alarm clock to wake herself at 5 am so she could study and write? Mary Walker, the civil war doctor?
It sounds like Rory's interested in science/inventions. This might be a good place to start.
Aimee Semple McPherson. Livia, wife of Augustus. Aspasia. Mary Baker Eddy. Mother Anne Lee. Nellie Bly.
Or there's Lucy Stone, who refused to change her name when she married (and, I think, also refused to "obey").
Dead women, eh?
I would write about Gertrude Bell, for the relevance to current events.
Some 20th century women inventors, mostly dead.
Ada Byron Lovelace, first computer programmer. (Not, please note, first woman to be a computer programmer: just the first computer programmer, on the world's first computer.)
Grace Murray Hopper, first individual to receive the US's National Medal of Technology. Did more than any other individual to make computers accessible by devising programs to get the computer to translate its machine code.
Mary Astell, who wrote several early feminist works such as A Serious Proposal to the Ladies (part 1 1694, part 2 1697) and Some Reflections Upon Marriage (1700).
Mary Anning, one of the first paleontologists, discoverer of the first Ichthyosaurus, the first nearly complete example of the Plesiosaurus; the first British Pterodactyl; the first Squaloraja.
Beatrix Potter, who discovered that lichen is a symbiotic lifeform composed of moss and fungi, and who founded the National Trust in the UK to keep the countryside she loved open to ordinary people and small farmers. (She also wrote and illustrated children's books on the revolutionary principle that they should be small enough for a child to carry, cheap enough for a child to afford, beautiful enough for anyone to remember for a lifetime, and interesting enough to keep anyone reading.)
More?
Oh, Ada Lovelace. She's fascinating.
Betty Friedan!
I was going to second Lucy Stone until I realized I was thinking of Lucy Parsons, who did not keep her maiden name of Gonzalez. She was a Haymarket agitator (local hero, Di!) who, after being banned from the city of Chicago, gave a speech from a boat on the Chicago River to a crowd on the shore.
Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper both rule.
99: I thought of Sanger, but probably a bit sketchy for 3rd grade. 'Specially in my conservative 'hood.
that's why I only referred to the first five albums.
What about EPs?
I mean:
Suspicion yourself, suspicion yourself,
don't get caught.
Suspicion yourself, suspicion yourself,
let others out
Wilder lower wolves.
Here's a house to put wolves out the door.
In a corner garden, wilder lower wolves.
House in order, house in order, house in order,
house in order.
Down there they're rounding a posse to ride.
what the hell's that supposed to mean? You're probably right that the songs on the first five records have a more conventional structure, but even those are fairly surreal. Not that I'm knocking them--I love those records, but I wouldn't try to make a stand on the notion of REM's lyrics being more poetic or less silly than the songs of most of their peers at the time.
I don't mind, though. Song lyrics are meant to carry the music, not be especially profound or meaningful.
Emma Goldman? Voltairine De Cleyre? The Rosetti sisters?
108: What about Helen Keller, as a stealth candidate? She's the only avowed socialist on US money, as far as I know.
93: Don't apologize. It's a fair question to ask of a buncha yappers.
Give me a few famous, dead women.
Charlotte Perkins Gilman. Really, she did so much more than write "The Yellow Wallpaper."
111: When I was in 8th grade, around the time of Reckoning, I guess, I wrote Michael Stipe a letter, via their fan club, asking for the lyrics (since they didn't publish them). I got a very nice letter back saying that the lyrics were "too personal" to be given out. And I got a tshirt and a key chain and some random stuff!
Come on, ladies. Queen Elizabeth I, Catherine the Great, Maria Theresa Habsburg, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Empress Wu of China. Role models.
Isadora Duncan.
"Adieu mes amis, je vais à la gloire!" Snap!
See, you bitches aren't planning to seize power. Just artsy shit.
Margaret Thatcher, except she isn't dead.
Hey! Isadora was a big old commie. One of her dances was called "I am RED," I think.
Queen Victoria; George Eliot; George Sand; Virginia Wolf
Yeah, but she didn't seize power.
123: Show some initiative: she asked you to bring her some dead women.
116: Uh, we all know that there have been discussions here before about the efficacy of street demonstrations. Dirty Fucking Hippies, giant puppets and all that. Feelings run a little strong about these topics. Best to avoid.
Meanwhile! Helen Keller's not a bad candidate for Rory's report - along with Keller's teacher, Annie Sullivan. I adored both their stories when I was a kid.
Ouida; Aphra Behn; E. Barrett Browning; Katy Chopin;
(my field is clearly limited)
Or there's Lucy Stone, who refused to change her name when she married (and, I think, also refused to "obey").
She and her husband Henry Blackwell wrote out and signed a statement protesting the current state of marital law, which the minister read at their wedding ceremony (in 1855, I believe). They moved in abolitionist-female suffrage circles, of course.
The problem with the "women worthies" name-some-famous-women approach is that it strips away all of this context and presents these women as solitary travellers...alone of all her sex, Woman A did this or that (which raises the question, without that context, I mean, Well, what the hell was the matter with Women B to Z that they didn't do likewise?).
When is the report due? Depending, Britney Spears may be viable.
why do you people name famous women?
i'll throw in my share if you are interested
Oelun khatan, Borte ujin, Khulan, Sorghatani Beki, Bibi khanum, Anu khatan, Yanjmaa
all were queens and princesses, except the last one, they were powerful in their times
S.Yanjmaa was our Prezident around 1950 ies
why do you people name famous women?
See comment 84.
À propos, Persephone Books is a really cool publisher. I own about a third of their list (a late friend of mine knew the owners) and their books are always beautifully made.
138: I note the odd use of "republic" in her Wiki entry, seemingly worded in a very precise way by fans of Khertek Anchimaa-Toka.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, everyone! You guys rock.
It appears that Grace Murray Hopper has won Rory's young heart. Which is cool, because I didn't really expect her to pick a woman, just wanted to remind her that women have done important things worthy of research projects, too. I was totally sure Einstein had it sewn up.
I have realized, however, that I now have a great deal of homework to do -- I didn't know half (or more!) of the famous women named.
local hero, Di!
If you're looking for a Chicagoan, Jane Addams would be a good choice.
probably a bit sketchy for 3rd grade. 'Specially in my conservative 'hood.
Frida Kahlo? Anaïs Nin? Rosa Luxemburg?
Put me down for Marie Curie.
102, 104: Since Ada Lovelace was programming on a computer that had been conceived, but not built, some might argue the point, and consider instead doing a report on the other famous and dead Lovelace.
143: The Tuvinian People's Republic was (nominally) an independent country during the period in question.
144: If the "moth in the relay" anecdote makes it into the Hopper report, please make sure it's clear that the logbook entry that says "first actual case of a bug being found" strongly suggests that the term "bug" was already in established use and that Hopper & co. probably didn't coin it.
...because you don't want me debunking Rory's report, see.
My niece is a huge fan of Clara Barton. HUGE fan. You have never met such a huge Clara Barton fan as my niece....
She's wicked cute in her Clara Barton costume.
The time will come when she finds out it's actually a Clara Peller costume.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
Even got to be a speaker at one of my local anti-war rallies, the largest of their kind this city ever saw. (I'm not needling you further, just taking the opportunity to stroke my already overweening ego.)
This is topped by a friend of mine who found himself in an American sniper's sights when he went to a protest in Kananaskis country during the G-8 Summit.
137: Let me guess: out of that list, most people who recognize a name recognize Börte, right?
most people who recognize a name recognize Börte
Oh hang on, I recognize Oelun too.
Re: demonstrations, I still remember walking with Rory at a candlelight vigil protesting the then-imminent Iraq war. She pointed to a sign, sounded it out, and read "No war." It's the first thing that I can remember her reading on her own.
A Serious Proposal to the LadiesLaydeez.
I know the contest is over, but Marion Mahony Griffin was arguably the most talented Prairie School architect (after Frank Lloyd Wright) and in fact was responsible for some of "his" most famous renderings. She and her husband (another Wright apprentice) won a competition to design Canberra (which design, alas, was mostly unbuilt).
I've mentioned before that my son mentioned that women didnt really invent anything.
BR and I immediately expressed our outrage, and then proceeded to stammer to try to name more than a handful of female inventors. Shameful.
158: There was a great article on women inventors in the late, lamented Sciences magazine. A woman invented the cotton gin, wrote up plans and hired Eli Whitney to build her design. He ran into some trouble, she revised and advised, and then Mr. Whitney "invented" the cotton gin. I would be more outraged by this if it weren't, you know, the cotton gin.
Bookmark B's link above -- there are like tons.
I read the page for Rosalind Franklin and was shocked the see that she discovered the helix shape of DNA. But Watson! But Crick! Yeah they got the Nobel prize for building on her work. And then no one ever taught me about her. How rude.
oh, are you interested in our history, DS?
probably John Emerson knows more than me, i'm not a historian, just know what we are taught at school
would you like i tell you who they are?
Oelun ujin was mother of Temuujin
Borte was his first wife, Khulan - his most beloved? wife, Sorghatani beki was mother of Khubilai, Anukhatan was an amazon-princess, she led armies against Manchu, Bibi khanum was Timur (Tamerlan's) favourite wife, a mongolian princess
The sewing machine had three American inventors. The first guy got nothing, Elias Howe got bought off, and Isaac M (not-Bashevis) Singer ended up with most of the loot.
Singer's partner Edmond Clark is the source of Martin Peretz's money, through Peretz's wife. He also built the Dakota Hotel where John Lennon was killed. There are no coincidences.
A woman invented the cotton gin, wrote up plans and hired Eli Whitney to build her design. He ran into some trouble, she revised and advised, and then Mr. Whitney "invented" the cotton gin. I would be more outraged by this if it weren't, you know, the cotton gin.
Yes, but Franciscus Sylvius invented the most important gin.
160, I believe she would have got the Nobel Prize if she hadn't died before it was given to Watson, Crick and Wilkins. Everyone knew her role in that discovery was at least as significant as Wilkins's.
The real injustice was her not being part of the team that put together the initial incredibly famous paper describing the discovery.
161: Yeah, history buff from way back, that's part of why I read Emerson's site. I know Oelun and Borte but not the others, thanks for the notes!
Di:
Yea, I looked them up later, but I was ashamed that I couldnt name more off the top of my head.
BR is a science girl too so she hung her head in shame.
Think efficiency, everybody. The first thing you light on fire is the fireworks store.
167: you're thinking small, apo.
fuel storage.
In a situation like this, SPECTRE would probably hold a few powerplants and/or nukes hostage. Just sayin'.
160: That's really annoying. I had several undergrad courses where the profs (male and female) talked about Emmy Noether. I always thought Hilbert came off very well wrt her. However, it does see she was the canonical, and pretty much only example brought up. To be fair, the only other mathematician they spent any time talking about the personal life of, etc. was Galois, and that's just because the story is so damn romantic.
Isadora had the flashier life and death, but the real grandmother of modern dance is Martha Graham. Mother-Martha anecdotes are passed down through dance teachers in much the same way as are anecdotes about Lawrence Olivier in the theater world. From the ones I've heard, she must have been a thoroughly terrifying presence. One of the male dancers in her earlier companies once remarked that it was perhaps the only venue where men actively felt vagina-envy (a lot of her technical vocabulary is rather explicit).
About BURNING SHIT DOWN, can we organise it such that I can loot Dior?
you're thinking small, apo
I'm new to the burning down of shit.
Not only have I been in demonstration, I have been tear-gassed by the police, bitches! When it comes to BURNING SHIT DOWN, I am your rightful king.
172: I'd suggest staying at least 400 yards/meters away from my place. I'm too damned old to run from a mob. I'm still pretty good with the .30-06.
Now that I thnk about it, my friends and I accidentally burned an huge old barn to the ground when I was seven or eight. So I'm not entirely new to the burning down of shit, just the intentional kind.
So what you're saying, Apo, is that first we need to round up some seven and eight year-olds? I like where you're going with this.
The French kids in the banlieu solved this one. I noted at the time of the last big riots that they had certainly caught on to a trick in setting fire to stolen cars rather than to their own neighbourhood.
Of course, this is all going to look pretty silly when your actual reaction is to SUCK IT IN AND VOTE DEMOCRAT, with a side order of GET REALLY PISSY AT THE GREEN PARTY.
BURN SHIT DOWN is a proposed reaction to Obama's assassination, not his losing the nomination. See comment 17.
Of course, this is all going to look pretty silly when your actual reaction is to SUCK IT IN AND VOTE DEMOCRAT
This is like the third comment I've seen that seems to be taking the tone that BURN SHIT DOWN isn't the response to Obama merely losing the nomination or the general, but to Obama being assassinated. Am I misreading?
182: So, damn, think about the poor straw kids and straw wife left behind by that senseless massacre.
It's unrealistic that The Black Candidate could be shot at, is what you're saying? Bono, white courtesy phone. Bone to the white courtesy phone, please.
Um.
No, what I'm saying is that "suck it in and vote democrat with a side order of get really pissy at the green party" doesn't seem like the appropriate response to Obama getting killed.
Wait, does Nader own a Mannlicher-Carcano?
doesn't seem like the appropriate response to Obama getting killed.
I think D^2 was, after his irrepressible Welsh fashion, hinting that it's likelier to happen than all the wonderful talk of burning buildings.
And no, I don't think he does, but I could be wrong.
Al Gore is awesome in this video, at about the 7 minute mark.
Sorry, actually it's the 5:10 mark.
No, what I'm saying is that "suck it in and vote democrat with a side order of get really pissy at the green party" doesn't seem like the appropriate response to Obama getting killed
yeahbutibetitswhatchagonnado! You chaps need to read more Dennis Perrin. The Democratic Party's belief in its absolute entitlement to votes is one of the more unattractive characteristics that our own New Labour have learned from them.
I don't think that New Labor had any equivalent of the Movement Republicans working to drive the voters into the Democratic net.
I've voted for Democratic Presidential candidates less than half the time in my life, perhaps a third, and I did vote for Nader in 2000, but by 2002-2003 had come to believe that historical circumstances were not conducive to protest voting and third parties.
What's at stake in the primaries isn't so much who I vote for in the general, but how optimistic about the future I end up feeling. (The arrow is currently at Not Very Optimistic At All). And whether I take up my Canadian brother on his offer of asylum. (Granted that once the Northwest Passage and the arctic and Great Lakes water supplies become contentious issues, Canadians will be under the gun too.)
Plenty of shit at the Naval Observatory, I'd think. It might as well be shit central, so far as that goes.
Give me a few famous, dead women. Rory needs to do a report on someone famous and dead and since all the initial options that she came up with were men, we wanted to at least think of a few women too to choose among. We came up with the obvious -- Susan B. Anthony, Sakajawea, Amelia Earhart.
It is impressive that the "obvious" famous dead women are all American, and that the death of, for example, Benazir Bhutto seems to have passed the questioner by without creating so much as a ripple. To be fair, the existence of women who are a) famous b) dead and c) not American seems to be fairly well known among other commenters.
Heh. Sally was asking the other day about her Pakistani taekwondo teacher, wondering why he hadn't said anything about being sad about Bhutto's death. I told her he probably hadn't thought any of the kids in his class would be interested, and might not have favored Bhutto politically himself. It was a funny little-kid conversation though: "I know something current about Pakistan, and yet the only person I know from Pakistan hasn't raised it as a subject of conversation. Why is that?"
Of course the BURN SHIT DOWN plan is a good one,
No it's not, it's an idiotic one right from the start.
This site looks good as resource, the only thing missing is a section on shrillness:
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/index.html
it's an idiotic one right from the start
Yeah, you're probably right. If you kill Obama, WE WILL PUSH SHIT OVER.
197: yeah, that way fires won't spread around the neighborhood.
I'm in a bad mood right now, I have some kind of serious back problem. I'd burn something down, but I can hardly get up.
serious back problem
You're going to be no help at all when the pushing starts, are you? Maybe you could just drop shit out of a window or something.
I realize the thread has moved on, but this is an easy question . . .
Wal-Mart, Wall Street, Blackwater, Halliburton, and oil companies.
How many people here have even participated in a demonstration?
I got arrested for CD for the first time when I was 14. With my mom!
Microsoft! I forgot Microsoft!
(M-fing IE7 is drivng me out of my mind. Yeah, I know I can go back to 6, but 7 came installed on my new laptop and I'm trying to deal with it to build character or something. I'm now learning how to do regedit hacks -- which half of Unfogged has been doing since age 4, I'm sure -- to change some of the stupider things about the fucking *non-customizable* toolbars.)
I can bitch, whine, and moan very effectively right now. Of course, liberalism already has a lot of strength in this area.
Yeah, I know I can go back to 6
Are you required to use IE or something?
36: Bank branches and Cold Stone Creameries.
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39: I think the idea of Ogged as Stone Cold Revenge Killer in the stalking thread is more embarrassing than this one, if we're just going by the last 24 hours.
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...the idea of Ogged as Cold Stone Revenge Killer
Wal-Mart, Wall Street, Blackwater, Halliburton, and oil companies.
So basically we destroy Farmington? (Except for Wall Street, of course, and probably Blackwater, which as far as I know doesn't have an office there.)
My Firefox upgrade was fucked up too, though the internet gave me a fix. (It hung up on Gmail and gave me an error message.)
Only if Farmington is destroyed will Teo ever get laid.
Only been to a couple of protests. I have been in a bona fide riot [a concert hall got trashed after a gig]*, and also pitched street battle [groups of us jumped by bunch of bastard football casuals].
* amusingly, the place got totally wrecked, mostly because the bouncers were being arseholes. Then everyone filed out, in a fairly orderly fashion to find 100 or so cops in riot gear outside. The cops watched bemused as everyone quietly wandered off to catch a pint before the pubs shut, or get a late train.
Destroying Farmington would have all sorts of positive effects, some of which cannot even be imagined in advance.
There would, of course, be negative effects as well.
Are you required to use IE or something?
No, but new programs have become a chore. I've got so many keyboard shortcuts & etc. in my head and in muscle memory that I'd rather not learn new ones unless I have to.
I've used Firefox, and I honestly don't find it much better than IE other than the toolbar issue. (Also, tabbed browsing? Blech. Turning that off is the first thing I do.) But maybe I'll give it another shot.
So basically we destroy Farmington?
It's for the greater good. Think of it as Dresden.
I don't understand how someone can live without tabbed browsing.
Also, tabbed browsing? Blech. Turning that off is the first thing I do.
There are aliens among us.
tabbed browsing? Blech
This might be the wrongest thing ever posted here.
Tabbed browsing is probably the thing that has most improved my browsing experience in the last 10 years. Anti-popup software is great too, but I had learned to ignore with the popups and just delete them at the end of my session.
I don't understand how someone can live without tabbed browsing.
Alt+Tab, baby, Alt+Tab.
Ctrl-Tab is just as good, and leaves the window much better organized.
Maybe, but I use Alt+Tab constantly anyway, because I'm switching between browser, e-mail, various docs in Word and/or Excel, so it's much easier to use it for everything. And getting to and back from Ctrl+Tab to QWERTY position is slower for me. For hunt-and-peck types, I'm sure it would be different.
And Firefox isn't remembering my name when I post!
re: 221
I touch type. Well, not 100% text book, but close enough. Hunt and peck indeed.
Dude, I said it's slower for me. If y'all like tabbed browsing, groovy. But stop oppressing me and my old-school ways!
/indignant whine
stop oppressing me
Sir Kraab used to be likable, but now she's just shrill.
It's for the greater good. Think of it as Dresden.
No, no, I'm all in favor of destroying Farmington.
Sir Kraab used to be likable, but now she's just shrill like all the other girls.
And getting to and back from Ctrl+Tab to QWERTY position is slower for me.
Not if you do what I did and remap Caps Lock to Ctrl. Plus, it'll save your left pinky from getting strained.
Houses will be cheap in Farmington once all those businesses close down. You have to buy them before they stand vacant too long, though, since the remaining HS boys will uses them for keggers, target practice, firewood, etc.
re: 228
I need to do that, for Emacs reasons. Ctrl-finger is a bitch.
Houses are cheap in Farmington now, but that's still no reason to buy one.
See, Teo, you've escaped from the concrete Farmington of mere appearance, but you're still imprisoned by the ideal Farmington of the mind.
Tabbed browsing question (Mac division). Despite tabbed browsing, I inevitably end up with more than one browser window open. Is there a keyboard shortcut to move between windows within a program? On PC, Alt+Tab works for all open windows, but on Mac, it just goes between programs.
230: Yeah, I have arthritis in the last joint of my left pinky, and not having to stretch to reach the left Ctrl key has made a huge difference.
Or you could just use vim.
Technically I was never actually imprisoned by the concrete Farmington of mere appearance.
Surely with ctrl-tab the ctrl used is the right one? Otherwise agree though, caps lock ctrl swapping is the way to go.
remap Caps Lock to Ctrl
GOOD IDEA.
What's vim?
233: I think it's apple-` (backtick/tilde key above tab) but I'm not at a mac so can't check.
237: vim is a somewhat improved version of `vi', a moded editor. The vi-vs-emacs argument predates the mac-vs-peecee one, and is equivalently inane for the most part.
239 `somewhat' really should have been `significantly'
233, 238: Yeah, it's Apple(=cmd)-tilde. I've never been able to figure out why Apple chose to have two separate mechanisms for tabbing between windows.
The vi-vs-emacs argument predates the mac-vs-peecee one, and is equivalently inane for the most part.
ed is the One True Editor.
233: Cmd-~ (or technically Cmd-`)
I think that when you are BURNING SHIT DOWN you need to have your Caps Lock set to its original mapping or the effect will be much less effective. Also you can use alt-tab to move easily between various piles of shit that you are planning to burn down.