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Is this your way of being sensitive, Ogged?

I actually wonder if this is some kind of ploy of Matt's, to get people who already like him to like him more, and become protective of him.

And a tip: he should not glop regular sunscreen on his face. He should get a nice non-greasy moisturizer with SPF protection, meant to be worn on the face.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:41 AM
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There was a time when I dismissed lotions prescribed for specific body parts as extravagant. But wouldn't you know, I was on my way to yonder Damascus when – squirto squitare squirtatus! – God himself moistened my face with some truly divine product, and my world was changed. Listen to ac, brethren and sistren.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 10:08 AM
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Make that "God Godself". (God takes the Weiner reflexive.)


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 10:10 AM
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What, "squirtavi" isn't good enough for you?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 10:21 AM
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Ben, I know as much Latin as my dog, and I don't have a dog.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 10:25 AM
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If certain well-known bloggers go around bragging about their 6', 150 lbs frame, it is all too foreseeable that readers will come to believe that such an unrealistic build is the ideal blogger body. Over time, the ideal will become the standard, and deviations from it will be punished. Just as all cases of bulimia everywhere are chargeable to Calista Flockhart, so the comments on MY's post are ultimately the responsibility of the size 2 blogging community.


(You had to see this one comming, right, ogged?)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:18 AM
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You had to see this one comming, right, ogged?

Actually, no. I keep forgetting that you're more obsessed with my weight than I am. Wanna know a secret? I weighed myself a couple of days ago (do it every few months) and I weigh 158 lbs.

That said, it's true that I do my best blogging at 150.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:22 AM
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If you're not part of the solution, ogged, you're part of the problem. Eat more, swim less.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:40 AM
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At 145, I will be the greatest blogger the world has ever seen. And mommy will love me.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:42 AM
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Ben, I know as much Latin as my dog, and I don't have a dog.

Segmentation fault


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:43 AM
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If you get to 145 lbs and stay straight, she'll be about the only one who will.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:43 AM
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I'm kidding. My mom says exactly what you say, "Eat more, swim less." If I don't get sick or injured, I'm pretty sure I'll be in the 160s by summer's end. Will that make you happy, Tim-bot?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:45 AM
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You can avoid those in the future by taking advantage of the short-circuiting nature of "and". What you should have said is, "Ben, I don't have a dog and I know about as much Latin as my dog.".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:46 AM
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I dunno, I started dating the 6'2" Mr. Breath when he was running about 135, 140. (I've fed him up to 160 or so by now.) To quote someone else's grandmother, there's a lid for every pot.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:47 AM
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6'2" 135?? Tell me he was a serious runner. (Also, if Mr. Breath ever displeases you, LB, you know where to find me.)


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:48 AM
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How wrong is it that ogged is LB's type? There is no justice in this world.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:51 AM
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There is for Mr. Breath, apparently.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:52 AM
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Just has bones like a bird. Actually, at the time, he was lifting weights a fair amount, rather than running.

(Also, if Mr. Breath every displeases you, LB, you know where to find me.)

To be pedantically literal, I don't actually. Fortunately, the occasion is not likely to come up.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:52 AM
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It's raining justice, baby!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:53 AM
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I think you just got zinged, ogged.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:53 AM
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Ahem. Left 19 before LB ripped out my heart.

I don't actually

Well, you can find me here, for example.

he was lifting weights a fair amount

Ok, that's weird.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:54 AM
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I never liked LB anyway.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:55 AM
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Girls have cooties.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:56 AM
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Hey, my options were zing or flirt, and I get all weird about flirting with strange men online. (And much as I love this place, all of you are distinctly strange.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:56 AM
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Girls have cooties.

Curses -- my secret shame has been discovered!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 11:58 AM
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It wasn't much of a secret, LB—it was all over the playground by recess.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:00 PM
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I was hoping the cootie shots had worked.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:02 PM
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Segmentation fault

Ben, this blog has enough problems staying worksafe, and now you're insisting it be typesafe, too? I invite you to lend a hand and statically check your own dangling pointer.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:03 PM
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It wasn't a matter of type safety, but of the dereferencing of a null pointer. A null pointer to your dog is still a pointer to your dog.


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Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:08 PM
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I'm going to pretend you didn't just school me. Nobody saw that, right?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:10 PM
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Saw what?


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:11 PM
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See also comment thirteen.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:12 PM
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Now if ogged swelled up past fat to superlative corpulence, he might then (by a suitable stimulus – lightning, magic, sneezing fit, &c.) explode into several smaller constituent oggeds, each with unstoppable blogging power.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:17 PM
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Now, I was under the impression that we all knew that Standpipe's construction in 5 was intentionally humorous, and that B-dub was merely making another joke in 10. Now, it sounds like y'all are ready to concede that Standpipe made a mistake in 5, and that B-dub has righteously corrected him. I pray to god that that's just another joke, because it you're serious, you're all fucking banned.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:18 PM
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he might then (by a suitable stimulus – lightning, magic, sneezing fit, &c.) explode into several smaller constituent oggeds,

Wafer thin mint?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:20 PM
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And much as I love this place, all of you are distinctly strange

I think we can safely assume that it is not we who are perverse, but LB. The only credible explanation of a 6'2", 135 lbs. Mr. Breath is that, in a sort of hybrid Ms. Havesham/Norman Bates fashion, LB has dressed up a department store manikin and started referring to it as her husband.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:22 PM
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The mistake was in 28—SB continued the joke with a reference to type safety, but type safety wasn't the (joke) issue.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:23 PM
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eplode into several smaller constituent oggeds, each with unstoppable blogging power

But what would happen if those contituent parts got involved in a blog war? Would the lightest ogged' win?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:24 PM
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Now, Tim, my infant tongue may not be able to make anything longer or more explicit of either my Christian or family name than "Pip", but even I know it's "Havisham".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:25 PM
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Don't feel bad ogged et al., I doubt anyone could compete with Mr. Breath in real life, much less on the Internet. I have spent several years now hearing about him, and he is not human. He runs his own high-tech-related business, takes care of their kids and the house and still has time to make her coffee when she gets up in the morning (and sometimes, even packs her lunch too!). The guy is definitely making the rest of us look bad.


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:25 PM
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contituent

ObTitties: Titties!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:25 PM
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All else being equal, the lightest ogged would win and the cycle would begin anew. Oggma, Oggnu, Oggva: creator, preserver, destroyer.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:28 PM
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Re 40: Admittedly, I do have it pretty good.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:29 PM
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Re 39: SB, what would be needed to make w-lfs-n explode?


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:35 PM
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I'm sorry that I got fat. I will slim down.


Posted by: SB | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:37 PM
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I'm not SB, but i think theyres lots of thing's that might make w-lfs-ns head explode.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:38 PM
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SCMTim, I thought you'd want to avoid a proliferation of mini-w-lfs-ns.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:43 PM
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Re 46: As soon as he comments again, I'll be able to confirm that my fondest wishes aren't getting the job done.

Re 47: Good point. Although, if there were enough mini-w-lfs-ns, we could distribute one to each, and no one would ever need worry about grammar again.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:46 PM
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You'd think so, wouldn't you, Tim?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:57 PM
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It'd be great -- some w-lfs-ns could generate solecisms, others could correct them, there'd be no need for the fun to ever stop!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 12:59 PM
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Hot w-lfs-n on w-lfs-n action!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:00 PM
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Syntaxxx Nannies IV: Unholy Conjugation


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:01 PM
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Shouldn't that be 'Sin-Taxxx Nannies'?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:05 PM
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I think SB's version is better. Show some restraint in your titling; the gonzo stuff's on screen.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:08 PM
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Only if the gummint gets a cut.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:09 PM
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Make that "Dangeous Conjugations". Then we could complain that the original "Conjugaisons Dangereuses" was better.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:17 PM
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Off topic: I cannot understand how anyone functions on the Web without the FF browser and the Dict. extension. I mention it only because I've had to use it a few times today whilst reading Unfogged. (No, I will not admit which words I had to look up.)


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 1:30 PM
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Listen to ac, brethren and sistren.

Yes, if I did start a religion, it would involve sacred skincare rituals.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 2:42 PM
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And how is one admitted to the Church of the Supple Dermis?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 2:56 PM
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My first church, clearly, would double as a salon.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 2:59 PM
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Or day spa.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 2:59 PM
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Cue chopper: She puts the lotion in the basket.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 2:59 PM
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You must kill the priest at Nemi with an aloe spear.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:00 PM
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It rubs the lotion on its skin, It does this when it's told

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose

And when it's done there's one more thing, a simple little task, it's

Put the fucking lotion in the basket.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:02 PM
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Well, there's our first hymn.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:04 PM
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There are a lot of crazy people in the world, and they're all sitting at their computers.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:05 PM
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Let's hope Nemi has a priest glut, or that ac has very modest ambitions for the size of her following.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:06 PM
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And somebody's already written the verse:

Sacrifice

Your hands are assegais,

your tongue an aloe spear.

Spined, thick with vicious juice.

I must remember this.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:11 PM
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Or it could be like that Mithraic, I think, ritual, in which a bull would be sacrificed about a sluiced floor under which the initiate would stand so that the blood would fall on him, except with aloe. Tauroctony?


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:15 PM
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I was thinking a commandment to drink lots of water, with the goal of producing nearly clear pee. But, er, sluiced floors of aloe, sure.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:23 PM
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I like a religion that can tolerate multiple viewpoints.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:24 PM
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You know, I could get into this more if your religion didn't already exist.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:28 PM
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nearly clear pee is something we all should shoot for.

Perhaps, as a test, there should be a large pewter basin into which each congregant must empty his or her holy water before engaging in the communion activities.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:29 PM
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the fat of newborn babies is also good for the complexion.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:31 PM
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The Making of the Waters will be held at 7 PM Saturday at Rosy Complexion church. Bingo to follow.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:31 PM
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I'm going ot hell for the last two posts. Hope somebody laughed.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:32 PM
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Repent, text, or it's an afterlife of chapped skin for you.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:33 PM
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that's the result of my other, private, sinning.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:35 PM
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Goodness, already I've succumbed to dogma-craft. Repressive orthodoxy, here I come!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:40 PM
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Hey, if I have a religion, I get to ban people.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:41 PM
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I can see the Great Schism coming already.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:42 PM
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Priestess, I hear some of our number have secretly renounced exfoliation.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:44 PM
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And become split ends.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:44 PM
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Hey, another church with respect to which I can be a heathen.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:47 PM
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LB, maybe you can be a "cultural" Dermalist. You know, unobservant but still part of the gang.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:49 PM
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Would that involve occasionally buying skin-care products and then forgetting to use them? Because I have that down.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:51 PM
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AC, is your first name public knowledge? Because there's a fairly lousy pun I was about to post in this context, but it does depend on your name. (If the name's off limits, the joke wasn't much anyway.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:56 PM
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Go ahead.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:58 PM
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Well now it would just be weird.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 3:59 PM
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I just found myself thinking that, if I were to be dragged off to a trial as a heretic who failed to observe proper rituals for care of the complexion, I could truly say that no one expects the Anne-ish Skinquisition.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:01 PM
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Decloaking is wrong. It only works for w-lfs-n because it's impossible to believe that the name doesn't represent a consortium of text book interests.


Posted by: SomeCallMeTim | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:02 PM
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I'd say that was worth it. Excellent, excellent.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:03 PM
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Adam Kotsko and Matt Weiner might want to have a few words with you, Timmy.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:03 PM
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92- I concur.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:05 PM
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I was actually hoping for my usual banning, but I suppose praise will do instead.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:05 PM
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Eh? "Adam Kotsko" is the name of a walk-on body thetan in Dianetics.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:06 PM
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People are hoping for bannings now? Yeesh.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:06 PM
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LB, I know I haven't been banned as often as you have, but I'm pretty sure praise from me counts as banning once removed.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:07 PM
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Well, getting banned had kind of gotten to be a habit.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:08 PM
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Dreadfully sorry LB. The people responsible for bannings, have been banned.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:09 PM
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I may know less Latin than a head-squid, but I am proud of this. I think it would make a fine motto, if we did mottoes around here.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:13 PM
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Eiciendi te salutamus!

I think you want either "eiecti te salutamus" (we the banned salute you) or "eiecturi te salutamus" (we who are about to be banned salute you). "Eicendi" could be a gerund, but those don't come in the nominative—it would have to be genitive singular. "We salute the you of banning"—doesn't work.

'Course it's been years and years since I studied latin.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 4:22 PM
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Thanks, Ben. "Eiecturi te salutamus" is what I was after. Let me tell you, with nothing to go on but a few random web pages and the ability to pattern-match, getting the wrong answer was rewarding enough.


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correctori te salutamus!


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:14 PM
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I believe that's "correcturi", and salutamus right back at you.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:19 PM
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'Saluto' isn't it? Unless your Standpipaciousness is plural in number.

(I'm on very thin ice here -- while I've spent a fair number of years in Latin classes, it mostly didn't stick. Odds are, if I try and correct someone else's Latin, I'll be embarassingly wrong.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:24 PM
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Waitaminute, "eiecturi" and "correcturi" are (like "morituri", I guess) future active participles. I was thrown because morior is deponent. This seems to say that SB was right all along.

My head is hung in shame.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:26 PM
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Woohoo!


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:28 PM
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I mean, what a pleasant surprise. I guess this makes up for the null pointer thing that didn't happen.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 5:32 PM
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107 - I'm sure it's just "I", but wouldn't an "erecturion" be more of an active dangling body part. ?


Posted by: Judy | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 6:30 PM
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Sometimes I wonder why I don't get larger comment threads. Then I realize that, in fact, this thread is 110 comments by like eight people. Wow guys, wow.

Incidentally, Matt's readers were weirdly cruel, and unjustifiably so. I had lunch with him two weeks ago and the new look is actually quite flattering. Something I'm only allowed to say because I have girlfriend.


Posted by: Ezra | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:04 PM
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my erecturion certainly does not dangle, madame.

was that your first cock joke?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:05 PM
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Oh go on, admit your man crush, Ezra. You're in a safe place. It will just stay among the eight of us.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:16 PM
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112 It doesn't dangle? Does it stand in full salute? Or droop like a little participle at half mast?


Posted by: judy | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:48 PM
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Rather, text's erecturion is so called because it is one of a hundred battle-hardened warriors sworn to Caesar.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:54 PM
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ERECTURION INGENS TEXTIS


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:57 PM
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Why is there so much fucking Latin on my blog? I'm particularly perplexed because it's clear that y'all don't even know Latin.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 7:58 PM
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Φινε, ου αβουτ γρεεκ ινστεαδ?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:01 PM
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I'm down with Greek.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:03 PM
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You forgot the rough breathing over the "ou," though.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:04 PM
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I couldn't find the rough breathing mark. The best I could manage was a grave accent, which wouldn't have cut it, either.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:05 PM
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Actually, what I'm aiming for is more inclusiveness.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:06 PM
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You mean, quit the faux-Latin showboating because it will turn people off, unlike the juvenile humor?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:08 PM
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Ab Mineshaftius


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:08 PM
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"Just has bones like a bird. Actually, at the time, he was lifting weights a fair amount, rather than running."

Two different somewhat disturbing mental images conjured, beyond the one perhaps initially intended.

I do hope that, for the sake of the bird-like bones, they were very light weights.


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:08 PM
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"Actually, what I'm aiming for is more inclusiveness."

Exclusivist people are banned!


Posted by: Gary Farber | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:09 PM
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Stimmt, SB, stimmt.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:09 PM
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I don't not know Latin.

I could translate this, say; the second half and some of the first without even using a dictionary.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:10 PM
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Well sure, it's just the lyrics to the Mister Rogers theme song.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:11 PM
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Ich glaube, es gibt mehre Leute hier die auf Latein als auf Deutsch sprechen können, Μαλακα.

</prays Austro doesn't wander by>


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:16 PM
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You know, it goes like, dum dum dum, "et in terra pax hominibus".


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:17 PM
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Θελω να παω στην Αεγινα. Think about it.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:19 PM
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124 to 122

though we have moved on to speaking gibberish.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:26 PM
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Is trúag aní narta de nar n-daltanaib Ogged.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:42 PM
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Moamoa lulu, niu, niu pulu.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:43 PM
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Ben, you want to swim in the Aegean? You want to do something, all right.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:46 PM
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Mine is: It is sad what befalls us, the fosterlings of Ogged.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:47 PM
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I'm sore wounded, red with blood, but baby you can drive my car.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:48 PM
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My, the amount of big cock talk that a 'little' fun cock talk will arouse.


Posted by: Judy | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:48 PM
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SB, it says I want to go to Aegina. Or it would if I could have figured out how to get the accents.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:49 PM
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My, the amount of big cock talk that a 'little' fun cock talk will arouse.

A`ohe hana nui ka alu`ia.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:51 PM
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That's what I mean.


Posted by: judy | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:55 PM
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Literally translated, mine was 'Chicken, owl, coconut, coconut husk," but in Samoan it means something more like "What goes around comes around." What's the Hawaiian, SB?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:57 PM
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138 - And, baby, I love you. It is after 9 pm somewhere so ogged is allowed a happy hour.


Posted by: Judy | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 8:59 PM
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138 is a translation of the line that follows what ac quoted, if you can believe it.

From here (pdf).

Aside from the Beatles bit, that is.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:01 PM
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It's "no task is too big when done together".

I cheated, though. I don't know Hawaiian.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:01 PM
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I don't really speak Samoan any more, either. Proverbs stick in my head, but I certainly couldn't follow a conversation.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:04 PM
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"Woe, what us befel therefrom,

Us, dear Scathach's fosterlings,

Me sore wounded, red with blood,

Thee no more to drive thy car!"

Check it out, Cuchulain is in this thing. He must have got free of Flann O'Brien somehow.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:05 PM
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Ben, if I eat your brain, will I gain your command of erudite trivia?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:09 PM
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...arrecaim comrad chind-cherchailli eturru.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:10 PM
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...such was the pillow talk between them.


Posted by: ac | Link to this comment | 06-12-05 9:14 PM
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chind-cherchailli eturru.

So that's what those guys in Mary Poppins are singing. Strange survivals of folk knowledge crop up in unexpected places!


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Have you read the bits about what Cuchullain wears into battle? The most impressive feat in the poem is sucessfully standing up under all that leather.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 8:14 AM
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Well, isn't the backside to him sufficient for fifty fifties of people to play handball against, or something? Most of what I know about Cuchulain comes from At Swim-Two-Birds. (The rest comes from The White Goddess, which isn't the most reliable source.)


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 8:21 AM
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The most impressive feat in the poem is sucessfully standing up under all that leather.

At The Mineshaft.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 9:00 AM
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w-lfs-n, I think that's Finn MacCool whose backside is that big. (Google google....) Yes, but this leaves it open that Finn MacCool and Cuchulainn are one and the same; I had remembered the poem MacCool recites as "Cuchulainn Astray," but it's actualy "Sweeney Astray."

My favorite part of the book is when Jem Casey interrupts Finn to recite his own poetry, and in among the rest of the dialogue is Finn explaining what would be done in the old days to anyone who interrupted him.

This makes it seem as though Finn and Cuchulainn are definitely distinct. Everything I know about Cuchulainn comes from Yeats, myself.

(And when you link to a 400-page non-searchable pdf, do ya think you could include a page number?)


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:31 AM
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They are definitely distinct. That is, I haven't got a cite offhand, but the stories about them don't have any significant area of overlap as far as I'm aware, and their life histories are incompatible.

Should I read At Swim Two Birds? I've seen it recommended elsewhere, but never got around to it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:42 AM
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I was unable to get very far into At Swim-Two Birds the first time I read it. The next time I read it pretty much straight through.

The trick is: You know how Moby-Dick is full of bullshitty little bits that your high-school edition cut out, and how those were the best part? @Sw2B is entirely bullshitty little bits. Read it in that frame of mind and you will enjoy.

But you might want to start with The Third Policeman first, which has a plot and is a little easier to read but equally delightful. This excerpt may give you a flavor of the non-plot parts. You should probably be thankful that I am not in a position to call you up and read you the entire part about "I still think there is an electric lift," 'cause I probably would.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:48 AM
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I actually enjoyed the whaling bits of Moby Dick (the chapter categorizing whales using printers' terminology? Excellent.) so I am on Amazon and ordering as we speak.

I'm also trying to read Heidegger. After the first chapter, the main effect is that 'being' has ceased to be a word and has become a sound effect, like 'boing', but higher pitched.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:52 AM
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'being' has ceased to be a word and has become a sound effect, like 'boing', but higher pitched

Excellent. You're getting it.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:54 AM
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I had At Swim-Two Birds assigned by a TA freshman year, for which I am quite thankful. I have not yet read any other O'Brien, but what I have read is excellent.


Posted by: washerdreyer | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 12:04 PM
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And when you link to a 400-page non-searchable pdf

I could search it in xpdf, which ignores directives to make it nonsearchable.

Is The Third Policeman the one with the bicycles? If so, it's great. I would recommend against starting with The Poor Mouth.


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 12:08 PM
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The Third Policeman is indeed the one with the bicycles. I think those are the only two I've read. The Dalkey Archive, an extremually cool press, is named after one of his books, but I've heard that isn't as good.


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 12:11 PM
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("He" is Flann O'Brien--it may have become unclear somehow.)


Posted by: Matt Weiner | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 12:12 PM
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I almost applied to work at the Dalkey Archive. I think I met one of the editors there, or my mom talked about me to one of them, and then I when I met (either again or for the first time) that person—name of Chad, IIRC—at BEA a few years ago he was all, "I remember you, blah blah blah".


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 12:19 PM
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I can eat glass. It doesn't hurt me.


Posted by: Mitch Mills | Link to this comment | 06-13-05 11:07 PM
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Hey, wtf? By all accounts Mitch's comment ought to come BEFORE those it actually succeeds!


Posted by: ben w-lfs-n | Link to this comment | 07-20-05 3:07 PM
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Indeed it should.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-20-05 3:10 PM
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I don't get it. AM-PM, what's the probelm?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-20-05 3:19 PM
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problem


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 07-20-05 3:19 PM
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Ben, do you want to ban him, or should I?


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