Re: "All Encompassingly", maybe

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You're only a real prescriptivist if by "not okay" you mean "not intelligible" or "indicative of idiocy" or something like that

If you just mean "aurally displeasing" or "me no like" something like that, then your just garden variety person with preferences (who I happen to agree with).


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:00 PM
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Jeebus.

"like' or something"

"you're"

"just a garden variety"

Time for bed.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:02 PM
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"Totes" is not okay.

M'tch will have to wait a few months to see how many people adopt and use this term "totes" before he can determine whether it's okay.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:03 PM
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2: Probably a "whom" in their, two.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:04 PM
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I think my new position will be that you're not a real prescriptivist unless you're advocating for a return to the full morphological palette of Old English.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:05 PM
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Enforcement of the new rule will be strict.
http://community.post-gazette.com/media/p/218749.aspx


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:06 PM
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4: too. It's catching, apparently.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:09 PM
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if you pooh-pooh totes you must also pooh-pooh absquatulate NEW RULE MUST OBEY RULE


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:10 PM
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"Totes" is not okay.

Preference noted.

M'tch will have to wait a few months to see how many people adopt and use this term "totes" before he can determine whether it's okay.

Parsimon will have to learn to read before she can understand that I was opining on the term "prescriptivist" and not any other.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:12 PM
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7: Historians. Humorless, the lot of ewe.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:13 PM
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An absquatchamacallit?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:13 PM
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Totes art proj, brah!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:13 PM
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where's your blog m/tch i want to go there and obey a rule WINK WINK


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:13 PM
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"All Encompassingly", maybe

Al-enc, dude.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:14 PM
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13: My blog, let me show you it.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:15 PM
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15: All-enc menwha.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:17 PM
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i'll b3 alseep in not very many minites i betch you


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:17 PM
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Are you sure it's not short for 'litotes'?


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:18 PM
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2: You know, if you had left those uncorrected, I would have continued to think they were deliberate errors made to illustrate your opinion of the "decline of the language" tut-tutters. Now I just think your a numskull who can't talk right.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:19 PM
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This locution: let me have it explained to me.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:19 PM
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18: That is not unpossible.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:20 PM
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18: It's not not unlikely, I'd wager.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:20 PM
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Crap.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:20 PM
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Have you lot heard the kids on my lawn using "totes" to mean "totally"?

Nope. I have heard 'passed' for 'died/passed away'. I always wonder what grandma passed. Gas? A stone? The SAT? A cop?

I have also heard 'Would you like to go with?', and have responded: 'with whom?' and also, 'Why am I in this handbasket and where am I going?'

Totes sounds ok.

max
['Fuckin' A.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:20 PM
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Ha ha.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:21 PM
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This locution: let me have it explained to me.

ok space lady i love you good night


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:25 PM
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Ah. It makes so much more sense with the picture.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:26 PM
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I have heard "Fuckin' A." and have responded "Who's doing what to the where now???"


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:27 PM
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But I really am going to bed now.

No, honest.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:30 PM
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I have heard "Fuckin' A." and have responded "Who's doing what to the where now???"

And I said back: 'Yeah I was.'

max
['Indeed, as an widely esteemed idiot would say.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:31 PM
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I've never known whether "Fuckin' A" indicates a negative emotion or a positive emotion.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:35 PM
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Fuckin' A, ned.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:36 PM
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31: I'm pretty sure that means you're bi-curious.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:36 PM
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I have heard 'passed' for 'died/passed away'. I always wonder what grandma passed. Gas? A stone? The SAT? A cop?

So, just curious, but how does the inclusion of "away" after "passed" clarify all that for you?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:39 PM
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What I do hate is when people use a cliche so much that they start referring to it in shorthand form, creating a totally nonsensical pronouncement, instead of venturing into the possibility of saying a new cliche or even something that is not a cliche at all. British sports pundits do this a fuck of a hell of a lot.

"Well, you know, horses for courses."
"Well, you know, swings and roundabouts."
"Well, you know, in for a penny."


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:39 PM
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35: Well, you know, menwha.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:40 PM
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32: So, just curious, but how does the inclusion of "away" after "passed" clarify all that for you?

Pissy tonight, are ye? Because the common phrase was 'passed away' and was well-known for long time before I was born, I think, so I was used to it. 'Passed' is short enough that it hardly seems like a pleasant euphemism anymore.

max
['It also could end in something other than 'away' which would have a different meaning. Nothing is gained by shortening the phrase.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:49 PM
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Because the common phrase was 'passed away' and was well-known for long time before I was born, I think, so I was used to it.

Common to you, is my point, as opposed to "the common phrase".

Nothing is gained by shortening the phrase.

Sez you.

There's nothing wrong with you or anyone else preferring "passed away" to "passed". But pretending that you don't understand "passed" and that it actually makes you wonder "passed what???" is just willfully-ignorant peevishness. But yeah, I'm the one being pissy. Sure chief.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09-24-09 10:59 PM
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if you pooh-pooh totes you must also pooh-pooh absquatulate NEW RULE MUST OBEY RULE

As someone who has said "totes" and "absquatulate", I agree.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:12 AM
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It's true though: for a set of individuals who might be expected to die any day now, "passed" is sufficient without any additional background. "Grandma passed," ok, I get it.

But what if, say, six months ago, some yazoo came up and said to you "Billy Mays passed," what would you think? You'd think he just passed by, on a velopad, perhaps.

If Billy Mays passed away that means he didn't just pass on his velopad, or if he did, there's a story there, and perhaps a broken velopad.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:38 AM
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"Blates". Fucking "blates". Argh.


Posted by: Abelard | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:46 AM
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A friend of mine has just been told by some American that "accidently" is an legitimate American alternative spelling to "accidentally". True or false? (I'm betting false.)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:15 AM
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I hear "totes m'goats" a lot. It's cute!


Posted by: Counterfly | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:18 AM
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42: False as a very false thing indeed. If you find yourself talking to someone making such a claim, you should absquatulate immediately.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:22 AM
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Bleg:

Attention virologists and infectious disease types.

I saw a segment on the CBC last night about research in Canada (which has not yet been replicated) which suggests that getting the seasonal flu vaccine might make you more vulnerable to H1N1. They are thinking of focusing on getting H1N1 vaccine out and giving the seasonal flu to people over 65 who are more vulnerable to regular old flu and may have some protection against the other.


Can anyone imagine what the theoretical justification for this would be?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:26 AM
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The year's at the spring
And day's at the morn;
Morning's at seven;
The hillside's dew-pearled;
The lark's on the wing;
The snail's on the thorn:
God's in His heaven--
All's right with the world!


Posted by: Pippa | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:35 AM
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Not a virologist (is Cpytrci Edn around?) but if I were going to invent a theory, it'd be that actually getting the seasonal flu protects you from H1N1 but the seasonal flu vaccine doesn't . So the seasonal flu vaccine would prevent the possibility of becoming immune to H1N1 by getting the seasonal flu.

I have no real basis for this theory, but it seems at least remotely possible.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:36 AM
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it seems at least remotely possible.

An excellent first criterion for theories.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:40 AM
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So I was reading this thread and thinking, and you know what? I like new words. Just about all of 'em. Let a zillion slangy neologisms enbloomerize! The fact people get irritated by it is a welcome-to-neutral side effect in my book.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:43 AM
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What was scary was that it seemed that you were more likely to get it if you had the seasonal flu vaccine than if you had no exposure at all. So getting a shot makes you more vulnerable.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:43 AM
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As a first line of defense, no frenching Apo.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:47 AM
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What the fuck is a velopad?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:49 AM
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A bike path? Because that doesn't make any sense. Billy Mays has a bike path?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:49 AM
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11: "absquatchamacallit" = absasquatch, in the archaic irregular form

43: "totes m'goats" => "totes m'goatse", just sayin


Posted by: Doug | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:56 AM
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I've only ever heard "horses for courses" just like that. I thought it was just a crazy thing English people said sometimes because they like the sound of it. Is there a proverb containing this phrase that makes sense?


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:14 AM
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"Horses for courses" is fairly straightforward: it means that some horses are better suited than others to certain (race)courses. ie you have your quarter horses, your steeplechasers, your hunters and so on. Extend to athletes, differences in personal taste or ability, etc.

I've never heard it in a longer form.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:21 AM
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I've never heard it in a longer form.

You have, however, typed it in a longer form quite admirably.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:23 AM
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Billy Mays has a bike path?

Yes! But wait! There's more!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:46 AM
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What the fuck is a velopad?

Not that it's helpful, but this is google's first image hit for velopad. Ouch.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:57 AM
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Thank goodness he had an umbrella.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:59 AM
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57 - That's because Americans aren't familiar with it in its acronym form, Shabstotcr.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:13 AM
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I have said "totes," but only in reference to barges. (Really, no one's made that allusion yet?)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:14 AM
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I think my new position will be that you're not a real prescriptivist unless you're advocating for a return to the full morphological palette of Old English.

I am so down with this. (Note: "Down with" is a colloquial phrase which indicates that the speaker is in enthusiastic agreement with a statement or concept.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:17 AM
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I'm not entirely clear what is meant by 'morphological palette of Old English'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:24 AM
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God, I love my neti pot. I have a miserable cold, but after a half hour in the shower this morning trying repeatedly to pour salt water through my head and eventually succeeding, I at least don't have pressure building up in my sinuses. Just fountains of snot.

Sadly, I can't bring it to work with me (at least, cleaning my sinuses out in the sink in a public bathroom seems uncouth), so I'll be miserable again by the time I get home.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:26 AM
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64: What's the problem? "Morph"=shape. "ological"=relating to the study of. "Palette"=a flat piece of wood you put paint on. Find a flat piece of wood relating to the study of the shape of Old English, put some paint on it, return to it, and bob's your uncle.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:28 AM
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64: Me either. I just figure it gives me a free pass to be a prescriptivist until such time as we've returned to whatever it is to which we're returning.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:34 AM
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65: You neti pot in the shower? That's...that's...that's a great idea!

As for neti potting at work, I have single-user bathroom nearby. If I were you, I'd be equally sheepish about the salt-water-into-face thing in a full-on multiple-person bathroom. For starters, I'm pretty sure it looks like an insane thing to do, if you're not familiar with it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:42 AM
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45, 47, 50: I'm pretty sure that the seasonal flu vaccine doesn't increase susceptibility to H1N1 flu, since public health agencies (including Boston's) are pushing for people to get both vaccines. By the way, BG, does Brookline have its own health department?


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:51 AM
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68: Only when I'm really stuffed up -- most days I just do it in the sink. This morning was literally half an hour in the shower of trying one side, than the other, and then finally having the water come through, and man oh man does that make a huge comfort difference.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:57 AM
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"Really, Ms. Lizardbreath, if you wish to drown yourself I believe there are easier ways."


Posted by: Colleague Unhip To Neti Pots In Public Restroom | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:58 AM
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Nettipotting in the shower is indeed brilliant. I haven't been able to breathe for a week--I might try that tonight.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:15 AM
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You were asking about lack of success before -- what I ended up doing this morning was just repeatedly trying one side, then the other, then blowing my nose, then one side, then the other, more nose-blowing and finally it started going through one way, and after a pint through one way, I got a trickle going the other way. I feel mildly insane doing this, but it makes such a huge comfort difference.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:27 AM
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It's a shame they don't have vacuum cleaner attachments designed for this. (Wet vacs only, obv.)


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:32 AM
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"Well, you know, horses for courses."
"Well, you know, swings and roundabouts."
"Well, you know, in for a penny."

It makes me ashamed that I actually like this. For no reason that I can explain, I like the idea that a word or a phrase gets used to mean something not readily apparent and thus people who have no idea why "swings and roundabouts" means "what you lose in one place you gain in another" (which is right, IIRC my Iain Banks?) will still say it. I like language drift.

I'm particularly fascinated by the way "sketchy" changed from meaning vague/imprecise/not-detailed to meaning shady or dubious. And now appears to have lost its y and turned into "sketch", at least among my acquaintance. As in "that videographer looks rather sketch, I think she's an undercover".


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:33 AM
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Velopad just popped inside my head. So it doesn't make sense. So you don't make sense.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:46 AM
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69: This is new Canadian research, and it may affect their recommendations, but as I said it hasn't been replicated. I'm planning on getting both--once the H1N1 comes out for sure, but I may wait on the seasonal flu.

The Canadians are also making a logistics claim. They're worried that they can't get people in for 2 sshots, so they're prioritizing H1N1 for those under 65 and the seasonal flu shot for those over 65 who may already have some immunity to H1N1.

It appears that Brookline does have its own health department. Arlington does.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:56 AM
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I'm always behind the times, Frowner, but I hadn't heard of "sketch" without the 'y'.

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On health stuff, Anybody gtot suggestions for itchy skin. It's so bad that I itch myself in the night and get red marks. There's a 3mm by 25mm painful scab on my ankle.

I am thinking about ordering a sensityive anti-itch lotion called sarna and some dermazinc soap. Any other suggestions?

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:00 AM
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I hadn't heard of "sketch" without the 'y'.

Hm. What about "sketchball", used both as a noun as an adjective?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:02 AM
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It's so bad that I itch myself in the night and get red marks.

Let us know if you itch through your skull and find green brain juice in the morning.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:05 AM
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"that videographer looks rather sketch, I think she's an undercover".

Did someone actually say this?


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:06 AM
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78: Aquaphor (or drugstore brand "compare to Aquaphor"). It's just fluffy Vaseline, but it's great stuff. I'm using it to keep my nose and upper lip from turning into a scaly, cracking mass of dried out scabbiness from this cold I have right now.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:08 AM
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81: Some hopelessly out-of-date jackass, maybe. I believe the term now would be "cutty." And they are not "undercovers," but "ghosts."


Posted by: diffuser | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:30 AM
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80: I thought of that same article. I'm sorry I did.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:33 AM
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74: sounds like the precursor to an absolutely classic John Edwards product liability suit.

"swings and roundabouts" means "what you lose in one place you gain in another" (which is right, IIRC my Iain Banks?)

That is correct. But the full version still doesn't make much sense. "What you lose on the swings, you get back on the roundabouts"? But you can't win or lose money on swings or roundabouts unless it falls out of your pockets. There's no winning involved.
"What you lose at blackjack, you get back at roulette", yes.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:34 AM
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I like the word jackass. Jackass!


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:52 AM
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But the full version still doesn't make much sense.

I always wondered about that -- if there was some old-fashioned version of 'roundabout' that was a gambling game.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 9:54 AM
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"Accidently" seems to have been a correct derivation once, since "accident" was also an adjective once (Latin present participle?). There seems to have been no time when it was preferred over "accidentally," though, just used alongside. It could have been American for a while; the OED's last citation is by Epes Sargent in 1864.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:14 AM
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To the Brits: I've heard "different horses for different courses" more often, which actually makes sense the first time you hear it instead of needing it to be explained.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:21 AM
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The short version seems more transparent, even -- swings and roundabouts (especially the kind of roundabout that's a sort of carousel, rather than a sort of traffic junction) end you up back where you began. Setting them against each other seems like it involves a bit of wordplay, at least.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:22 AM
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And what's "lost" is ground, not money.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:23 AM
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I like the word jackass. Jackass!

Me too! I've picked it up from M/tch and it's such a good epithet: disdainful but not overly harsh and not nearly as vulgar as the other terms that leap to mind at particular moments.

It's aesthetically satisfying to boot. (It satisfies my aesthetics to boot things.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:29 AM
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Is there a long version of "lipstick and handbags"?


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:33 AM
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FYI: Here's info on the possibility that the seasonal flu vaccine may double the risk of catching swine flu. It would be so much easier if they'd just get the swine flu vaccine out, and then I wouldn't have to worry!


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:34 AM
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Lipstick in the handbag is worth two in the bush.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:34 AM
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What's wrong with absquatulate? Its cromulence is beyond queridom.

35: I very much love British football cliches. My favorite, appropriately enough, is, "It's handbags at 20 paces."


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:24 AM
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"that videographer looks rather sketch, I think she's an undercover".

Yes, someone actually said that to me. The person in question did look rather sketch and was probably an undercover. Not very undercover, of course, or she would have looked less sketch. Dubious-looking people with video cameras are generally either weirdo bloggers or cops; the cops always have nicer jackets. Weirdo bloggers sometimes have cop shoes, which is why it gets confusing.


Posted by: Frowner | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:58 AM
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Waitaminit. Nobody's complained about "the proof is in the pudding" yet? I absolutely hate that phrase. It always makes me think "I have discovered and elegant proof of this theorem which this pudding is too small to contain."

Also misuse of "the exception proves the rule" makes me want to slap someone with a remote.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:26 PM
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because I am goddamn illiterate, that's why.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:27 PM
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I shorten that one to "By their puddings shall ye know them."


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:37 PM
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Canadians are also making a logistics claim. They're worried that they can't get people in for 2 sshots,

I thought now.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:44 PM
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Um. Hi, HTML!

I thought we only needed one shot now.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 12:45 PM
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I believe the phrase is "The proof of the pudding", short for "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". "The proof is in the pudding" makes me want to get a long spoon because omigod I worked so hard on that proof and it's going to be totally illegible.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:01 PM
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Eating with the devil, are you?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:02 PM
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But "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" is just another way to say "the proof of the pudding recipe is in how the pudding turns out", which basically shortens to "the proof is in the pudding". I've never understood why that phrase annoys some people.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:05 PM
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Despite the seemingly emerging consensus that "totes" is okay, people aren't really going to do this, are they?

God. We may pooh-pooh the notion that there are rules for proper speech, but goddammit there are rule-like things.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:08 PM
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I like to say "poose" for pooh-poohs. I totes poose abbreviations.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:11 PM
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the proof is in the pudding is totes the exception that proves the rule.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:13 PM
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38: But pretending that you don't understand "passed" and that it actually makes you wonder "passed what???" is just willfully-ignorant peevishness.

I don't understand somebody I didn't know was dying died? (Or what text said, which hit close to the incidents I was referring to.)

max
[''Pretending' was doing all the work there. Entirely too much work.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:14 PM
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I've heard "poose" used in a different context.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:17 PM
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Don't poose in the papoose.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:18 PM
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Anyway. The rule-following discussion is a red herring; there is what we say when. (I am somewhat amused at the extent to which I'm exercised by this issue. The ordinary language philosopher in me doesn't die. It sort of makes me smile, 'cause.)

Where the fuck is dsquared? DS threatened to call him back, and that would be good. It's too bad he left.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:22 PM
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Cuban Spanish arguably has the most nonsensical cliches:

"Que zumba el mango"

"Manda huevos"

"No tienes pelos en la lengua"

"Estas salado"

"A la una mi mula"

"Por si las moscas"



Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:28 PM
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My favorite Samoan proverb is literally "Chicken, owl, coconut, coconut husk," meaning "What goes around comes around."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:30 PM
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Where the fuck is dsquared? DS threatened to call him back, and that would be good. It's too bad he left.

I was relieved.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:42 PM
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113: I suppose I should put the meanings.

"Zumba . ." is literally "it tosses the mango" and means "it's incredible."

"Manda huevos" is literally "send eggs" and means "I can't believe it."

"No tienes . . ." is literally "you don't have any hairs on your tongue" and means "you're blunt."

"Estas salado" is literally "you're salted" and means "you're jinxed."

"Por si las moscas" is literally "if the flies" and means "just in case."

I guess the last one could be abbreviated from something that makes sense, but I was always hear it as is.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:45 PM
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105: Not so. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" means you actually have to perform a concrete test in order to know whether the pudding is any good. "The proof is in the pudding" might mean a host of things, but it does not make any reference to an actual test, which is the entire point of the phrase. I realize I've long ago lost this fight, what with the fact that the majority of media personalities in the US being near illiterates (see the common misuse of "the exception proves the rule" and "begs the question," f'rex).


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 1:47 PM
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102: I thought we only needed one shot now
The two shots are one for H1N1 and one for seasonal flu, since both are going to be infecting people this flu season.


Posted by: the Other Paul | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:06 PM
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115: His beef against you, wherever it was coming from, was only one small part of dsquared, and I valued the other parts quite a bit.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:09 PM
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Ever since the thread where Dsquared defended Paris Hilton as being a brilliant comic actress, I took him with a giant trolling grain of salt.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:13 PM
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119 - Sure, but it was a conspicuous part of him from my viewpoint. You can see how I might weigh the balance differently.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:18 PM
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121: Of course. You told him to get off your back, didn't you, and I thought he did after that.

No matter, water under the bridge. He's left.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:24 PM
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I asked him to please not say anything about me, and then he became relentlessly vicious in that and two or three more threads over several months. His last words here were attacking me.

It is a little bit of a matter, since he's been pretty consistent about it and there's mention of inviting him back. I mean, he has as much right to be here as anyone and if he returns I'll suck it up, but I'm not especially thrilled at the prospect of people asking him to come back.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:35 PM
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123: Megan, I don't know what to say. He probably wouldn't come back, as he is/was sheerly disgusted with this place, and I doubt anyone seriously intended to ask him back, like personally ask him, in the first place. So the whole discussion is a nonstarter.

As for voicing one's views about whether various people are welcome here or not, we all know that people have varying views, and no one view rules. If dsquared were to decide to come back here on his own, that's his affair.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:53 PM
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Yep. If dsquared were to decide to come back here on his own, that's his affair.

And, if people are gonna start talking about how nice it would be if he came back, I'm going to say that my expectation is that it won't be nice for me. And then they'll do what they do; he'll do what he does; I'll do what I do.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 2:57 PM
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125: And then they'll do what they do; he'll do what he does; I'll do what I do.

Have I mentioned, like ever, how highly I think of Megan? No? Consider it mentioned.

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['On the other hand (although it's not really a contrast or a zero sum), I admit to being usually fond of that asshole Daniel as well.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:00 PM
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{insert swear words here} Holy crap, automatic bullets in MS Word are a pain the *ass*. How the fuck do you make 'em allow you to put a double-space between the bulleted items. Editing someone else's document created with these things in place and attempting to insert an item in the middle of the list is ridiculous.

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Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:12 PM
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How the fuck do you make 'em allow you to put a double-space between the bulleted items.

Hold the shift key as you hit enter/return.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:16 PM
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Oh my god. Stanley, I owe you one. Thank you!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:20 PM
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I keep thinking the title of this post should refer to a sequel -- existing only in purgatory, in a moderate, friendly, if a bit boring section of town -- to a Ryan Reynolds film, or maybe a pop song or something.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:42 PM
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I find it comforting that Mr. Squared created a space for himself before his departure; others would not have been so kind. Thus I feel free to describe him as a pretentious cunt, which is what he is.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 5:57 PM
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He wasn't boring, though.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:05 PM
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Or pretentious, either, unless you are using pretentious in a different sense from the usual.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:07 PM
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So you know what we're left with: curmudgeonly.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:10 PM
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re: 135

That, definitely. Intractably wrong, sometimes, too. But not all the time.* And some of the times he was most grumpy, he was basically saying stuff that I also thought was correct, so there's that, too.

* I feel pretty guilty discussing people who aren't part of the conversation.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:14 PM
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I feel pretty guilty discussing people who aren't part of the conversation.

I agree. With the rest as well.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:23 PM
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You know who I always hated? Ogged. Nobody better invite him back.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:26 PM
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I know! All I can say is I'd be less than thrilled if anyone professed affection for him after that time he gave me shit.

That is: talk about pushing the envelope, text.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 6:43 PM
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Yup, there it is, on the floor again. And now my wings just fell off.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:11 PM
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If it turns out that angels molt, heaven is going to be ookier than expected.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:14 PM
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the title of this post

It was a clever and well-excecuted Mitch Hedberg reference. Come on, people! Work with me here!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:14 PM
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I don't know what you're talking about, parsimon. Ogged never gave anyone shit.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:16 PM
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i like the word 'frick' - it works better than fuck when you need an interojection taht is said slowly


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:23 PM
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142: I got it!


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:27 PM
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emdash totes understands.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:31 PM
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143: You were probably in the other room, and didn't even notice.

It's a different day and a different age now, however. No shit-giving.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:31 PM
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Though afflicted with being the obvious non-obvious choice, George Harrison is the best Beatle.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:31 PM
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OT:


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:32 PM
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i also use 'sketch' more than i use 'sketchy'


why did d2 leave?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:40 PM
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why did d2 leave?

I was just lurking then, but I believe he was a casualty in one of the read wars.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:43 PM
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I don't have a link/reference/cite to his parting comments, but wouldn't mind recalling them. Something to do with utter disgust.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:46 PM
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Ogged never gave anyone shit.

Stingy bastard he was, always wanting something in return. Me, I gave shit so freely now I'm plumb depleted.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 7:57 PM
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I tend to think of "totes" as the sort of thing teenage girls say, but I don't think I've ever heard a teenage girl (or anyone else) actually say it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:00 PM
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I think my new position will be that you're not a real prescriptivist unless you're advocating for a return to the full morphological palette of Old English.

Pshaw. I'm holding out for Proto-Indo-European. Maybe Proto-Germanic.


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154: All of my bandmates are saying it all the time, in reference to I Love You Man, which I haven't actually seen.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:05 PM
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My bandmates are always saying, "hey, get away from our equipment."


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:10 PM
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I think that must also be from I Love You Man. Musicians!


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:12 PM
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Nobody here is speaking proper Linear A.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:32 PM
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I tried to learn Linear B, but it was all Greek to me.


Posted by: Michael H Schneider | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:34 PM
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152: dsquared's last comment.


Posted by: wispa | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 8:53 PM
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125: I suppose it goes without saying that I hear you.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 10:01 PM
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161: And dear God, cure me of my compulsiveness!! I just read the entire linked thread. Incredibly interesting in the beginning. And apparently the last time I had a date. Oh, and then all those hurt feelings. But interesting in the beginning.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:36 PM
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Di, you're up late! And are now tempting me to read the thread, even though I know I read it when it happened.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:38 PM
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Don't read it. Or at least don't read past 400 or so. It *is* late! I just looked at the clock, wow. I should be asleep. This, in part, is why you should not start that linked thread.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:41 PM
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I really can't recommend reading it. Or any of its predecessors over the previous few weeks.


Posted by: wispa | Link to this comment | 09-25-09 11:43 PM
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I read the thread. This place changed when you all stopped insulting each other all the time, instead of just some of the time. I think we need to revert back or people are going to keep running off. You can all start with me: I've got smelly feet and I'm an ass and I make typos, kick my dog, etc.

I also just watched the first three episodes of Mad Men and damnit but isn't Bob McManus, that crazy poof, ultimately right about everything?

Another thing - does melatonin keep anyone else awake? 5 mg and I'm totally wired.

Balls to all of you figments of the imagination of a lonely man living in a basement.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 09-26-09 2:07 AM
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huh, i clicked the thread, and decdied it couldn't possibly be worth reading; i already know i'll probably agree with d2


what does bob mcmanis have to do with mad men? relationships, or something about hippies/corporations et al? i just finished season1


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-26-09 4:08 AM
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also apropos of the OP, http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1558


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-26-09 4:56 AM
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does melatonin keep anyone else awake?

I've taken it on occasion find that if I resist going to sleep with the initial tiredness, I'm pretty awake and loopy feeling. Does it give you crazy dreams? I've heard of that as a common side effect, but it only happened to me once (and that was very, very disquieting).


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-26-09 7:43 AM
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I probably shouldn't get into this, but I kind of miss the dsquared Dan-Ackroyd-Jane-Curtin style of argumentation, and I tend to agree with him about most things. Also, I'm pretty sure the dsquared/Megan bad feeling arose out of a misunderstanding on Megan's part of his habitual rudeness -- he said a couple of snippy things about her on widely separated occasions without having connected her mentally from one occasion to the next, she took it as evidence of personal enmity, and her asking him to lay off, when he didn't think he'd ever laid on in the first place, led to actual personal dislike. (If anyone's interested, here's that thread.)


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re: 171

Yes, reading that again just now, I don't personally really see the problem, but, meh, we've already established at length in previous threads that there are temperamental differences between people (including Unfogged commentators!), and some people are self-confessedly more the broody-grudge-holdy-remember-all-past-personal-slights type than others; just as some are the habitually sweary/rude but with no particular personal emnity intended type.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-26-09 8:30 AM
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