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But virtually alive!


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 4:42 PM
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After the singularity, our email quotas will be much larger.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 4:47 PM
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In the long run, we all run out of mailbox space.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 5:21 PM
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Little known fact: Skynet's first action upon achieving consciousness was stocking up on Viagra substitutes.


Posted by: U. Awl | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 5:29 PM
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...followed by 'Mark all as read'.

max
['And then it raped all the pirate sites in the whole world!']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 5:56 PM
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I've noticed that as well. You are using: 0% of your available space. Hm. After 2 years. Ok, 1 year. Well. I guess I don't really have to delete the spam and forgettable stuff, but it kind of clogs things up visually, so.

I think we're supposed to be sending each other movies or something.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 5:56 PM
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I'm up to 5%! Probably all those pdfs of articles.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 5:59 PM
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I remember having to get multiple webmail accounts so I could be subscribed to h-net mailing lists without going over the limits on my main account.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:02 PM
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You think that's bad? Through my dark arts I have recently gotten a Google business email address. That thing has 25 Gigs of storage. I'm emailing everyone in the office Wagner's ring cycle now.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:02 PM
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I'm up to 12%. That includes almost every message sent or received over the course of more than a decade. I can has ring cyclez?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:25 PM
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Who are you people? My work account is at 51%.

Granted, we e-mail each other all kinds of appointments, but that's still only about 150 messages a week. I don't send photos or video or audio or even very many PowerPoint files. There are a fair number of PDFs, but even they are not THAT big.

Seriously. I know I feel endlessly guilty about my unresolved messages (currently lingering around 1700), but I don't think my e-mail volume is that out of the ordinary...is it?


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:28 PM
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6% used in 5 years, 5 months. Thus, if my popularity and gmail's capacity remain the same going forward, we're looking at 90.27 years till I'm out of space.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:30 PM
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Overall, that is. So only 84.8 years from now. So I'll only be 112. Surely I'll still be sending email then? Surely y'all will still write?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:32 PM
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20%, gmail. There sure must be a lot of PDFs in there, I guess.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:33 PM
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6%. But I mostly use my university account. (Inbox: 2207 messages, after one year. Previous university account had 7000+. I only delete spam, pretty much.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:35 PM
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I'm *cough* also at 19% on my university account, which is similarly gmail-based.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:36 PM
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Still nothing in my Google Wave account.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:36 PM
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work e-mail addresses have much lower storage than web ones.

I used to get a ton at WF--celebrating somebody's target attainment or someone's birthday or new job, plus all the stuff about the promotions or ordering changes and monthly reports from the regional president.

I got in trouble for not deleting it/moving it to a different folder, but I never really learned the system, because I never had time to stand in the backroom and use it.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:36 PM
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I have yet to receive a single phone call on my Google Voice account.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:41 PM
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All right, some more data:

Work account has 3795 MB at present, apparently.

Secondary personal account is in Gmail and shows 0%. I don't send many messages through it, it's true.

Primary personal account - no idea. It's not stored on the web anywhere, and it's spread across...um...two hard drives and some old disks? Maybe?

Legacy personal accounts: I dunno, those printouts I made from Prodigy? That now-nearly-inaccessible stuff in AOL's proprietary format?

Thank goodness for snail mail.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:42 PM
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I'll call you, Bave.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:42 PM
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Primary personal account - no idea. It's not stored on the web anywhere, and it's spread across...um...two hard drives and some old disks? Maybe?

A fun project is to gather all that old mail and import it into your webmail account. So I've heard.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:44 PM
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Woo! Speak very slowly and clearly so the robot transcriber can get it all down.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:44 PM
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11: You have 1700 unresolved messages? I hope to god that "unresolved" means undeleted or just not sorted to their appropriate subfolders, or ignored altogether.

In terms of what's normal -- it really depends on whether you're talking about work or personal.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:44 PM
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My gmail account has been around for less than two years. I don't have any idea what my old university account had, but my hotmail accounts have never had much because I used to either delete email with large attachments regularly or just send those to the university account. I've always gotten a very low volume of email.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:48 PM
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Woo! Speak very slowly and clearly so the robot transcriber can get it all down.

First I must have your number. I'd like your number and a cuban sandwich, but just your number will do.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:48 PM
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You need a special usb device to send cuban sandwiches over email.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:50 PM
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A fun project way to make life easier for the surveillance team is to gather all that old mail and import it into your webmail account.

So I've heard.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:50 PM
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I used to fret a bit about the prospect of losing archived email (downloaded mail not backed up online, not kept on the server) -- in part because I lost some a few years ago -- but I seem to have relaxed about that in the last few years.

You kind of know what you really want/need to save, email that's the equivalent of a snail mail letter of lasting importance. Unforgettable words.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 6:52 PM
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Still nothing in my Google Wave account.

Is there something desirable about Google Wave? My big problem with a lot of the newer social media collaborative whatever is that having the constant internet connection, possibly with an expensive mobile something or other, is actually kind of a high barrier to entry. But all I seem to hear about is the potential for it to break down barriers because it makes things easier for everyone to get access. So maybe I'm just envious, but really, I don't want to be always already online.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:00 PM
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Thanks to the newer social media collaborative whatever, I just helped three different kids find their lost dogs.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:04 PM
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"I have your dogs," I told them.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:07 PM
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it's spread across...um...two hard drives and some old disks?

I spent some time this weekend moving old mail from a dozen or two 3/12 inch disks to a USB drive. After I delete about 80% of it, I'm going to print off what I want and just stick it in box.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:07 PM
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You are currently using 4054 MB (54%) of your 7384 MB

I send a lot of MP3s back and forth. Delete a lot, too. I think I got into the high 75%s at one point.

This is much better than comparing cock pics.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:12 PM
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For really important e-mails, I copy them to clay tablets. The printer was expensive, but at least I don't have to buy toner.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:13 PM
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30: A collaborator sent me the Google Wave invitation with the claim that it would help us get a new project off the ground. I'm waiting for someone to convince me it can be useful (probably this requires demonstrating that some LaTeX plugin works well and that it can serve as a sort of virtual blackboard for remote conversations).


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:15 PM
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Confidential from Lifehacker to Parsimon. Cheap knife alert.

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Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:16 PM
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I just yell really loudly when I want to send email. If the addressee can't hear me, I figure it's not that important.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:18 PM
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Eh?


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:20 PM
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I think I got into the high 75%s

Would 81% be high 75%s, or low 85%s?


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:21 PM
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30: but really, I don't want to be always already online.

Everybody makes fun of me for being on dial-up. At least I can disconnect.

I confess I just actually snorted, aloud.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:25 PM
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37: Anyone ever tell you how sweet you are? thanks. I think that's actually the same knife someone linked to in the knife-related thread, so I have my eye on it. Yep.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:31 PM
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Someone who shares my name, but not my email address, appears to be something of an assistant to Ricky Gervais. I have several times received email intended for him, sometimes telling me when the limo will be at the hotel, sometimes from his very confused grandmother.

Most recently, I received two invitations to the New York Comedy Festival, which I am to pass on to Mr. Gervais. I suppose the ethical thing to do would be to write back to the sender to tell him he has the wrong address, rather than offering them to any New Yorkers who like comedy and want to pretend to be someone else?


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:33 PM
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42: I am someone!


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:33 PM
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I suppose the ethical thing to do would be to write back to the sender to tell him he has the wrong address, rather than offering them to any New Yorkers who like comedy and want to pretend to be someone else?

Seems like somewhat of an academic question, given the startling resemblance between Bave and whatsisface in question.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:36 PM
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WE'RE TOTALLY NOT GOING TO ABUSE ANY OF THAT STUFF. HONEST. "DON'T BE EVIL", THAT'S US.


Posted by: OPINIONATED GOOGLE | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:38 PM
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45: While I have no doubt Bave could pull that off, he'd only have to pretend to be me (or rather, someone else with my name), which has a considerably lower degree of difficulty.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:39 PM
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44: Thanks, emdash! I bookmarked that knife. I'm just deciding whether to get a new knife altogether or get a sharpener (latter a strong possibility, but not an $85 one). Now we're talking about email, though. Enough with the knives.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:42 PM
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Could I pretend to be the red dude?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:43 PM
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47: you would probably need to mail him your glasses.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:44 PM
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Holy crap 49 is the funniest thing in the history of the world where did that come from holy crap?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:46 PM
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AWB pointed it out to me a while ago. Apparently it was on EOTAW, which I don't always read as closely as ari wants me to.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:52 PM
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I read EOTAW, but I don't look at the videos, as I'm not a pervert.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 7:56 PM
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More seriously, archiving email is kind of an annoying thing that crops up more and more often as time goes on. Gmail is seductive, but let's face it, they're showing me ads about ... uh, things that I've been emailing someone about .... Of course that's a robo-scan result, but still.

I've gone through 4 or 5 email programs (clients, applications) by now, and sometimes I import the old mail when I transition, sometimes I don't, so the previous program is still sitting there on my machine, or is, yes, backed up on a disk. It's probably time for someone to come up with a desktop application that can somehow or other universally translate.

Am I speaking gibberish? Is it possible?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:05 PM
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20%, gmail.

Gmail still has a storage limit? How... quaint.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:10 PM
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The best thing I ever did E-mail wise was right a script that deleted any mail that was over a month old and not flagged as important. My work E-mail is using 20 Meg of space and my personal E-mail is at about 4 Meg.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:13 PM
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st thing I ever did E-mail wise was right a script that deleted any mail that was over a month old and not flagged as important

Such things capsize in the face of the immoral world as we face it more often than might be hoped, it is true.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:14 PM
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52: Really? Someone posted that at EotAW? Because, having seen your link, I was just about to post it over there myself. I guess this little episode -- which we'll keep between ourselves, okay? -- shows how disengaged I've become from the day-to-day workings of that place.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:18 PM
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57: right/write you get the point, and I should apparently go to bed.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:20 PM
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58: I think Bave is wrong. I *do* read EotAW as closely as you'd like me to (although probably more so than eric would prefer), and I don't remember seeing it there.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:21 PM
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59: I do?

I wish somebody could explain 57 to me.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:22 PM
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Oh wait I get it!

I'm still agnostic on the muppet video though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:23 PM
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Let's be clear: I don't want anyone reading EotAW closely. (Or maybe that was what you meant, Josh? That you don't read it closely? Text and subtext are really hard.)


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:23 PM
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Too late, ari. I hang on your every word.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:25 PM
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Gmail still has a storage limit? How... quaint.

Yeah, I'm still stuck in the world of finite disk space. Today I was complaining about poorly-interfaced programs and the need for a better file format to store intermediate results. "Just write out all the numbers in a big ASCII table, we have a Terabyte of free disk space," I was told. Craziness.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:25 PM
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I don't think I'll ever run out of email storage space, but attachment size limits have tripped me up just for long pdfs from JSTOR, which can be a pain to email from in the first place.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 8:56 PM
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65: Heh. We have limitless resources, he said. We do? she said. Yes, trust me, we do. It will never end. It goes to the bottom of the earth.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:03 PM
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Terabyte, not Terraform.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:05 PM
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I'm free associating.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:08 PM
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I almost never email pdfs; is there something wrong with me? Maybe it's just that I don't really have any active collaborators.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:16 PM
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I used to do a lot of e-mail of articles to myself from remote terminals, especially when I didn't carry my laptop to the library regularly and especially especially when I didn't have an institutional affiliation that could get me into databases from my own computer.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:18 PM
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I don't even own a pdf.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:18 PM
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71: Ah. I may be collaborator-poor, but I am institutional affiliation-rich. Furthermore, there are big long stretches of projects when I just don't need to read all that much.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:22 PM
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TB/month estimated Internet traffic.
1990 1.0
1991 2.0
1992 4.4
1993 8.7
1994 16.8
1995 173
1996 1,800
1997 5,000
1998 11,200
1999 25,500
2000 75,250
2001 175,000
2002 356,000
2003 681,000
2004 1,267,000
2005 2,055,000
2006 3,339,000
2007 5,220,000
2008 8,126,000
2009 <----------------YOU ARE HERE


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 9:48 PM
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Terabytes?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:12 PM
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Yes. Terabarks are even worse.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:16 PM
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I never read Bridge to Terabytea as a kid.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:18 PM
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Oh, wait, Megan's here. CANCEL ALL PUNS


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:19 PM
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Puns are terable.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:19 PM
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No no. Enjoy yourselves. I'll hang out in a different thread.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:25 PM
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I'd rather have a ton of arable land than a pun so terrible I'm banned.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:32 PM
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"As God is my witness, I'll never run out of disk space again."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 10:39 PM
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Terrible, Terrible, Pterodactyls
Terribly, terribly. Terribly wrong.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-26-09 11:05 PM
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13%, just under 2 years.

It's half term this week and the child who goes to school isn't even here, and yet I have been up early(ish - earlier than I'd like during a holiday) two days in a row anyway. Yesterday to wave Kid C off to Berlin, today to Go Ape with Kid B. Yawn.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:48 AM
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84: Those course things can be fun, but the sound from that Go Ape link was too jarring to my system at 7:00 in the morning.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 4:57 AM
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75: Tuberculosis.

I hadn't bothered to archive or delete anything from my work e-mail until I got an "out of space" message and had to delete some and finally get around to setting up the AutoArchive system. I had well over a thousand e-mails in my Inbox until then. As for my personal e-mail address, no idea; I can't check it at work. (Except on my phone, which doesn't have a great Web browser.)


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 6:57 AM
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I cannot understand people who keep unread messages in their inboxes. It would make me insane. I work with faculty at one of my jobs, and I regularly see them open up email accounts with 2000 unread messages. I have a little heart attack each time.

I'm not saying I'm awesome at answering emails or anything, but if I didn't keep that baby clean, I'd lose my mind.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:03 AM
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I read them, but I don't always delete them, and then there are my google alerts.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:10 AM
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Yeah, I never have any unread messages except those that have arrived since last time I looked. It seems weird to contemplate having dozens never mind thousands. That's kind of sick.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:18 AM
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87: My personal account has 140 or so unread messages. Probably at least half of them should be deleted by now, honestly. But let's see here, just for starters, there's automated e-mails sent by dating Web sites that I don't feel like replying to right away but feel like I shouldn't ignore them either and wind up forgetting about once they're off the first page of messages, and when one of my dad's siblings sends out a message to multiple recipients and then they hit "reply all" I can just read the last few instead of all the previous ones, and I have foolishly got on the mailing lists of various political causes here and there.

2,000 seems hard to believe and unlikely even for me, but I was bumping up against 200 for a while and could see myself getting up to 300 if I got particularly disorganized for a while or something.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:24 AM
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The trick is to build complete enough filters that any e-mail you don't want to read right away gets shunted to a folder, where you can happily forget about it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:27 AM
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re: 91

Yes, I used to have the various mailing lists I receive shunted into folders. Or tagged/labelled in gmail. Although I usually just skim over them, mark or flag those I want to read later and them mark them all as read.

My main inbox basically never contains unread messages [unless for some reason or other I've not been checking it for a few days].


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 7:35 AM
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Also: "corporeally dead"? What does that mean? In one sense, all dead are corporeal. In the only sense I can think of that doesn't include all dead, I suppose things like zombies and vampires are corporeal dead, as opposed to ethereal ghosts, but I don't see what that has to do with e-mail storage.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:04 PM
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Standpipe intends to haunt you until the ends of time, Cyrus.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:08 PM
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Can I just interrupt to say how much I resent the people of Connecticut for returning Joe Lieberman to the Senate? Good job, guys. Who could have seen this coming?
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Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:12 PM
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Make sure you didn't forget to take account of compound interest, Standpipe!


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:14 PM
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Stupid sonofabitch. But it's not really fair to blame the democratic Nutmeggers for him -- the Democrats defeated him in the primary, and he won with all the Republican votes and a rump of people who blindly voted for the incumbent.

He's still got seniority and committee assignments as a Democrat, right? That has to change -- if he pulls this crap Reid has to punish him.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:16 PM
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87: I currently have 3136 unread messages in my work inbox, and 13428 in my personal inbox. I check mail as it comes in, but since storage is (at least on my personal account) unlimited and I can search my mailbox in a matter of seconds, I feel no need to delete anything.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:25 PM
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Also, at least at work I get a ton of automated mail, and it's more effort to delete it as it comes in than it is to just let it sit there.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:26 PM
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I would go insane if I had that many unread messages. I just don't like the way they look, taunting me, telling me to read them.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:30 PM
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That has to change -- if he pulls this crap Reid has to punish him.

Yeah, I wonder what kind of horrible punishment Reid and Obama will come up with. Maybe Obama will name him to the Supreme Court.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:38 PM
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I liked this typo from the link in 95:

In order to defeat a filibuster and bring the bill up for an up-or-down vote, Reid needs to round up 60 votes, or all of the members of the Senate Democratic caucus -- including Reid, who caucuses with the Democrats.

Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:41 PM
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Stupid sonofabitch. But it's not really fair to blame the democratic Nutmeggers for him -- the Democrats defeated him in the primary, and he won with all the Republican votes and a rump of people who blindly voted for the incumbent.

And with all the funding from the national Democratic Party trying to defeat the Democratic candidate.

Is there a chance someone could beat him in the Connecticut For Lieberman Party primary? Who else is out there?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:54 PM
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You know the little bastard has been running around with a woody since Reid's announcement. Since he's that kind of guy.

Lieberman likes expressions of American power. A few years ago, I was in a movie theatre in Washington when I noticed Lieberman and his wife, Hadassah, a few seats down. The film was "Behind Enemy Lines," in which Owen Wilson plays a U.S. pilot shot down in Bosnia. Whenever the American military scored an onscreen hit, Lieberman pumped his fist and said, "Yeah!" and "All right!"


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 12:54 PM
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I can't believe we're literally going to lose this shit on the filibuster.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:00 PM
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Why not make them do it and see how long they last? They'll break this time.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:03 PM
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What an asshole. Was he one of the secret celebrity cameos in the movie audience near the end of Inglorious Bastards?


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106: Someone explained that it doesn't really work that way. We need all the Democrats there ready to vote at a moments notice, they just need one Republican to talk. (My grasp of the Senate rules is weak, so I don't have more detail than this.)

I think we could refuse to do any other Senate business until they let us vote on the health care bill, but literalizing the filibuster wouldn't do much.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:11 PM
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re: 96

If you check it, you read it, no? In which case it's not unread mail. Or do you just check subject lines? In which case, that's mad.


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105:I can't believe we're literally going to lose this shit on the filibuster.

Not because of him. He's saying, apparently, he'll vote for cloture and then vote against the bill. He just wanted someone to pay attention to him, that's all.

The WH trying to actively kneecap Reid, that's a big deal.

We still have a winner here; the Blue Dogs/Liebermans/WH have nowhere to go now to get away from the PO. They get to hold their noses and vote the right way or pour gasoline over their heads and set themselves on fire.

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Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:14 PM
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108: So they only need one person there; they still need one person there. Actualizing the filibuster would mean, as you suggest, refusing to do any Senate business until this gets a vote. There is at least one Republican senator whose constituents favor the public option.


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110: He's saying, apparently, he'll vote for cloture and then vote against the bill.

That's not what the Salon story Apo linked says, it says he's going to filibuster. Do you have a different source saying Salon screwed it up?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:18 PM
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TPM agrees that Lieberman is going to filibuster.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:19 PM
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"[I]f the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage."

Yes, kneecap him - I'm fantasizing a transfer to the Committee on Indian Affairs.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:22 PM
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Lieberman's just setting up his negotiating position. He's not going to filibuster the vote to bring it to the floor for amendments; he just wants people to suck up to him during that process. Reid at least claims to be unworried .


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:22 PM
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There are multiple filibuster junctions.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:23 PM
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I'm fantasizing a transfer to the Committee on Indian Affairs

I'm fantasizing a Preston Brooks scenario, myself.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:23 PM
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109: I scan subject lines and senders. Most of the mail I receive doesn't actually require my attention, but it's useful to have an always-accessible, searchable archive.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:25 PM
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I just want to draw attention to the info in 74. It's amazing how consistently internet volume has more or less doubled annually - except for the back-to-back years in which it increased tenfold. September 1, indeed.


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Oh, and fuck a bunch of Joe Lieberman.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:31 PM
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Is there a chance someone could beat him in the Connecticut For Lieberman Party primary?

It seems very likely. The Lieberman supporter in the Connecticut for Lieberman Party - the supporter, singular - lost the race for chairman of the party.

Unfortunately, I guess they don't want to wait for Lieberman's seat to be free again, because the Connecticut for Lieberman Party has announced a candidate running for Chris Dodd's seat. This will fare about as well as any third-party candidate. To be clear, that doesn't bother me, but I think it's darkly funny.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 1:50 PM
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Just to preach and sound off and rend my shirt in front of the choir: Hardball maneuvering such as Joe "I gave Cheney a blowjob on national TV during what was ostensibly the VP debate" Lieberman is threatening may have happened anyway, but it seems less extreme and exceptional than it really is since the mainstream media has internalized that any remotely progressive piece of legislation (or appointment, you should see the freaking backlog) needs 60 votes to pass per the clearly understood original intent of the Federalist Papers, God, Betsy Ross, the Constitution and Sparky the Wonder Dog. The man is saying that the measure will not in the end even deserve a vote. Radical stuff in a sane world--clever in the Idiocracy. And the cunning runt is impervious to being shamed for it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:13 PM
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Why anyone would suck up to Joe Lieberman for one second is beyond me. I hope his penis falls off in his hand.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:20 PM
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This whole thing may resolve itself by the cloture vote, but I think if Reid just called their bluff and made them filibuster, if that's what it comes to, the senate republicans would fold within a week.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:28 PM
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I like how 123 goes from rage to towering rate in two short sentences.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:32 PM
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Is 123.last a traditional Yiddish curse? It should be.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:39 PM
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Friends of mine in DC with Connecticut roots say that the Lamont campaign took some serious missteps after the primary win. I regret that every day.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:49 PM
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All my own, thank you!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 3:50 PM
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Here in California, we like to recall elected officials. It is totally fun and works like a charm! Connecticut should try it!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 4:02 PM
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103 is simply untrue, fwiw. Supporting Lieberman over Lamont in the primary was obviously unwise at the time, but that's pretty much how the DSCC is meant to work. Once he lost the primary, however, the national Dem organizations and most but not all Dem Senators fell behind Lamont. Obama gave Lamont money.


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129: I don't think that even California can do that to Federal office holders.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 4:29 PM
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I really, really hope that someone has the guts/position right now to say to Obama, "Aren't you glad you gave Lieberman money? You schmuck." It honestly seems like DC pols don't even see it when they enact this kind of stupidity - I picture Obama sitting around thinking, "Is there anything I could have done to have avoided Joe maybe screwing HCR over? Anything? No, can't think of anything. Guess I should've punched the hippies harder."


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-27-09 6:59 PM
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When did Obama give Lieberman money? Snarkout says he gave Lamont money.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 6:27 AM
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Obama definitely endorsed Lieberman over Lamont in the Democratic primary -- I'm pretty sure he owed Lieberman favors from their time in the Senate together. I'm not aware (that is, it could have happened but I don't know if it did) if he endorsed/gave money to Lieberman in the general election.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 7:41 AM
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Joe Lieberman endorsed John McCain for president. I still find that nearly unfathomable, and every time I think about it I have to run a quick google search to make sure I'm not just confused or remembering a dream I had or something. If he wasn't punished by the party for that, I can't see why he'd be punished for this.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:12 AM
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To put it in the way that Emerson would find most enraging, the Democrats were keeping their powder dry. I think the hope was that if he wasn't punished for the McCain endorsement, that he'd be on our side enough not to screw us over on cloture votes. Now that he's demonstrated that there's literally nothing useful he'll do for the Democrats, maybe they'll finally stop coddling him.

Probably not, though.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:16 AM
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Joe Lieberman endorsed John McCain for president.

On stage at the Republican National Convention, no less. The current situation was always going to happen. Holy Joe was always going to stab the Democrats in the back. Best I can figure, his sole motivation for remaining in office is that he deeply loves giving people the finger.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:18 AM
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If he wasn't punished by the party for that, I can't see why he'd be punished for this.

Obama explicitly intervened to advocate for Lieberman to keep his chairmanship on Homeland Security. This was all during a post-partisanship happy period, before the unicorn died.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:19 AM
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Maybe Obama can appoint Lieberman to head the newly formed NIS (National Institute for Sanctimony). Do you think Lieberman would go for it? Maybe if he got to wear a special hat that lights up like a halo?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:24 AM
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I just sent an e-mail to Kerry about my anger over Lieberman's move and the caucus's continued support of his seniority in which I also mentioned his endorsement of McCain.

I doubt that Kerry will do anything, but it made me feel better.

Kennedy was too parochial on some issues--like pushing for a 12 year exclusivity after patent expiration for biologic drugs, and he opposed Cape Wind which would have spoiled his view from the compound, but looking over my current choices I miss him so much.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:36 AM
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I think the hope was that if he wasn't punished for the McCain endorsement, that he'd be on our side enough not to screw us over on cloture votes.

Because of his "long history" of moderate liberalism on social issues, yadda yadda. Yeah, I know. But look, if the guy's really liberal on social issues, then he'll vote in favor of them regardless--unless you think he would just betray his true political instincts out of pure spite. (Unlike some moderate Republicans, it's not as if he'd be beholden to the Republican caucus.) Letting him keep his seniority doesn't buy you anything at all; it just reinforces the idea that there's zero consequence for thumbing your nose at the Democratic party.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 8:45 AM
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141: Oh, I'm not saying it was a good idea -- I'm all about the vicious enforcement of party loyalty. Just trying to explain what I think the Dems were thinking.


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Maybe they have been literally keeping their literal powder dry. Lieberman's mysterious disappearance would lead to a much better Senator!


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I have a minor procedure coming up which is likely to hurt. The doctor recommended taking both ibuprofen and some Tylenol.

I was just wondering what people's experiences with Aleve/naproxen sodium are. (Note to Canadians and British types. Naproxen sodium is an over the counter medicine in the U.S.) Do people have different experiences with different NSAIDS.

I'm also wondering whether it would be worthwhile to take low doses of ibuprofen for a couple of days in advance to make sure that the blood levels are adequate.

You were all so helpful with bob's question about hsi dog that I thought I'd ask.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 11:46 AM
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I've not noticed much difference between ibuprofen and naproxen in terms of pain relief. Naproxen is supposed to have a longer period of action. I don't think predosing would have any effect. Ibuprofen is absorbed really easily and rapidly metabolized and excreted.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 11:59 AM
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Note to Canadians

I hadn't realized it wasn't available there. Actually, wikipedia says as of 2009 it's available except for BCers, QCers, and Newfies.

And I second apo on the difference between them. Haven't noticed anything, personally.


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Ok. My information may be out of date.

In 2000 my Dad tried to buy some naproxen sodium from a chemist, not realizing that it wasn't an OTC product.

My BF is Canadian, but he's been in the US since 2005-2006, so he may be out of touch with current Ontario laws.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 12:07 PM
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Hell in a handbasket, I tells ya


Posted by: Now a Lurker | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 6:32 PM
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I'm somewhat convinced that switching from ibuprofen to naprosen helped my pinched nerve thingy finally go away. Of course, it might have gone away by now if I'd stuck to ibuprofen, so I don't really know. The slower release thing Apo mentioned is probably part of it -- keeping it in the system until I remembered to take it again.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 10-28-09 7:16 PM
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Oh, also. I wouldn't take ibuprofen for several days in advance without being advised to do so by your doctor. NSAIDS can be hard on the kidneys and you don't need to inflict that on yourself unnecessarily.


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