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Can I import you, Heebie? At present I have seven shades of white on my kitchen walls and they're all wrong. I'm never throwing a paint can away ever again.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:11 AM
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Funny that, we're just doing our kitchen slate blue and cream this weekend.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:17 AM
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If you e-mailed me a photo of your kitchen, Witt, I could post it under the fold and we could all give you hundreds of conflicting points of advice.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:19 AM
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Racists, the lot of you.

Still, I would like to join this thread with the one just below, so: comma comma comma comma comma chameleon.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:25 AM
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My parents painted our summer place slate blue with creamy yellow trim once, and I loved it -- it's a little house and it looked like a toy. Then they painted it white with green trim believing it would increase the resale value. Dull.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:33 AM
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comma comma comma comma comma chameleon

For the longest time, I thought that's how the song went.

light blue and red

This, from childhood, has always been my favorite color combination, but I don't think it's well-suited to home decor. I'm all about dark brown and lime green these days.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:28 AM
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I am in a navy phase. Navy and orange, navy and turquoise, navy and magenta. Navy and black. This regarding clothing, not home decoration.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:31 AM
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ut I don't think it's well-suited to home decor.

Oh, me neither, unless you're going for a super mod pod bubble look. But I wear it a lot.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:32 AM
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7: Beware! Eventually this may become an Old Navy phase.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:35 AM
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I like my home decor like I like my coffee: monochromatic.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:35 AM
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Actually, wearing navy is a very crisp, organized look, unlike the poorly fitting clothes at Old Navy.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:35 AM
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10: I'm picturing a house where you can't find the brown dog if he holds still because he blends right in with the carpet, the couch, and the wall.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:37 AM
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Nor where he crapped on the rug.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:38 AM
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"My interior decorating look is Shithole."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:39 AM
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Shithole Moderne.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:42 AM
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Interior decor ought to be the same as clothing: blue, white, and gray. No other colors -- especially key lime -- need be considered.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:46 AM
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Ooh, but lime would set off blue, white, and gray so nicely. Just a little trim, pretty please?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:48 AM
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A restaurant to avoid if you are in Manhattan.
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Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:50 AM
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I really like light blue and red, too! Something very kitschy "Welcome to Las Vegas" about it.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:50 AM
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Interior decor ought to be the same as clothing: blue, white, and gray.

Absolutely. It is important to for one's home to resemble a sterile office cubicle devoid of warmth or hope.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:51 AM
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18: Ahahahah. I have totally eaten there. (I would call that the West Village, but . . .). They have a lovely backgarden.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:53 AM
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Light blue and red is good for an elephant motif.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:53 AM
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Sorry Blume, but that's how one gets on the slippery slope to paisley magenta. Use a different shade of blue, grey, or white.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:55 AM
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20 -- With the Jameebies in it? I strongly doubt that.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:58 AM
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22: I think I associate colors disproportionately with sports teams, and I'm not like a super WOO! SPORTS! person. Light blue and red? That's the Houston Oilers. Etc.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:42 AM
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I always have a soft spot for mustards and avocados

Just rent a place that hasn't been renovated since the seventies.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:48 AM
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I love love love a yellow kitchen.

I'm a complete sucker for light blue and a warm brown, too.

I used a talavera mug as the starting point for my home paint choices. My house is bright.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:49 AM
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22.last; Which is why they never got past the Steelers.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:50 AM
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25.last


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25: Are there any color pairings, excluding pink or purple, that aren't sports teams? I certainly can't wear orange and blue for this reason.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:51 AM
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30: What's your problem with Aalesunds FK?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 10:59 AM
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See, people out to be rooting for the Cowboys.

My brother-in-law is a serious Raiders fan, so it's always easy to know what colors will go with their stuff.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:02 AM
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My home office is butter yellow with slate blue. Kind of uninspiring. My living room, I love. Rusty orange walls, maroon furniture, chocolate bown and harvest yellow curtains. The rest of my house is outright repulsive to me, but someday I will paint.


Posted by: di kotimy | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:03 AM
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I adore our living room: twilight-lavender-blueish walls with warm light wood floors. It's colorful and soothing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:19 AM
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Red, gold, and green!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:21 AM
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Really, though, the right combinations of purple and green make me weak in the knees.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:25 AM
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Christma, Christma, Christma, Christma, Christma, Chrameleon.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:26 AM
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Omfg. I'm reading senior seminar papers. As in "I'm about to graduate with my undergrad degree in math." One student has been making me livid all semester with her lack of work, and then when she does work, her completely trivial steps and nontrivial complaining. Her paper is particularly full of bullshit fluff.

Here is what currently got my ire:

(Equation)
In order to evaluate this inequality, I algebraically moved all of the sum terms to the left side of the inequality and the [right hand side terms] on the right hand side to the left hand side. This left the equation:
(Equation)

OH DID YOU NOW.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:34 AM
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My kitchen is avocado green. It's not actually that great. Much love for my butter-yellow living/dining room and teal stairway accent wall, though.


Posted by: Amber | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:52 AM
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Comma Eileen.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 11:58 AM
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|| when can we stop pretending that my headphones will crash the plane


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:08 PM
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I bet you've got toothpaste in your bag too. Terrorist.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:10 PM
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My kitchen is hot pink and pale lilac.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:14 PM
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I'd like a Pepto Bismol pink bathroom. I'd have to see the kitchen before I could sign off on it. I'm with Megan on the joy of yellow kitchens, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:19 PM
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I bet you've got toothpaste in your bag too.

I've been travelling a lot more than usual on business lately. I was wondering the other night as I was flying back to New York whether the rules on carrying liquids had effected the sales of small suitcases which fit in overhead bins. The only reason I check my suitcase is because it has my toothpaste and shaving cream in it and I am not organized enough to do whatever frequent travellers do to make those items carry-on acceptable.

I've also noticed that when I fly from JFK to Mexico City, I have to take off my shoes at security but not my belt, but when I fly from Mexico City to JFK, shoes are OK but I have to put the belt through the x-ray machine.


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:34 PM
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I've also noticed that when I fly from JFK to Mexico City, I have to take off my shoes at security but not my belt, but when I fly from Mexico City to JFK, shoes are OK but I have to put the belt through the x-ray machine.

This is because eXperts have determined the precise probabilities of terrorist tactics per flight path and are optimally minimizing the intrusiveness of security by limiting the search to the single most likely item to contain bombs.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:37 PM
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Terrorists are a non-abelian group.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:40 PM
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This is because eXperts have determined the precise probabilities of terrorist tactics per flight path and are optimally minimizing the intrusiveness of security by limiting the search to the single most likely item to contain bombs.

That must be it. When I am there the client makes sure we have a driver to take us everyplace. I guess it is to protect us from the notorious (but unknown to me) Mexican belt-bombers.


Posted by: Idealist | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:43 PM
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I certainly can't wear orange and blue for this reason.

It's really weird: even though I hate and loathe the Mets, as is right and proper, I have a blue and orange shoulder bag, blue and orange shoes, and I just bought a blue and orange "baseball" style t-shirt. What is wrong with me?

This thread is like crack to me. Lately I've been having long, elaborate fantasies about buying a spiffy new home and decorating it.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:55 PM
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38. You should clearly arrange a meet up with this physics professor.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:58 PM
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I once painted my bedroom in bright, glossy orange. (I believe the color was called "lifeboat orange") It was a really disorienting feeling, like trying to sleep inside the sun or something.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 12:59 PM
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I'd like a Pepto Bismol pink bathroom.

The bathroom in Magpie's house was Pepto pink when we first moved in. It was... not good.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:19 PM
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My brother's bedroom was a really bright orange - it was like it when we moved in when he was 5, and it stayed like it until my parents moved from there 20 years later, his choice. It probably fucked him up.

My kitchen .... bad photo as there are too many people in it (none of them me) but we don't take an awful lot of pictures in there, it seems. It's great. I did have a yellow kitchen, but we moved the kitchen into a different room and I fancied a change.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:32 PM
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Oh, realised Christmas might be a time we are taking photos of where we eat ... Boxing Day last year.

I ♥ my kitchen.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:39 PM
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I certainly can't wear orange and blue for this reason.

emdash points out the Mets, but what about the Chicago Bears and U.Va.? I'm not sure heebie and I can be friends.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:43 PM
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umm ... Gators, but I thought heebie would be *for* or is she FSU? Somewhere the Archives have the answer I'm sure.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:48 PM
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umm ... Gators

Worst cheer ever.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 1:59 PM
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I am very pro-Gators. it's just that if it's not a Gators shirt, it feels like it is, anyway.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 2:09 PM
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Toothpaste is passe. Noise cancelling headphones is the new weapon of choice.

Are? Can we get a ruling on that?

I'm sure I can guess why the automated announcements in MSP feature an English rather than Minnesota accent. But it's a real loss.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 2:59 PM
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Are? Can we get a ruling on that?

Depends. If they're stereo, headphones; plural. If they're monaural, headphone; singular.

I just made that up.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:02 PM
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LIght blue and red would be a classic Scandinavian kitchen, especially with a lot of blond wood.

In the morning.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:33 PM
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Interior decor ought to be the same as clothing: blue, white, and gray.

Who knew Charley was a closet New Englander? But it's true my neighbors just painted their house dove gray (outside) and it looks gorgeous.

I'd like a Pepto Bismol pink bathroom.

See, this was what was under the wallpaper in my kitchen. Not good.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:37 PM
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Scandinavians are known to have adorable taste.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:38 PM
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I just made that up.

OH DID YOU NOW.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:39 PM
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57: ummmm .... Gators! Nom, nom nom.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:40 PM
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65 -> 63


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:41 PM
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When my parents bought a house in the late seventies, the master bedroom was done in purple. Everything was purple: shag rug, walls, bed. Ok, not everything, the big mirror above the bed was mirror coloured. The guy who owned it said that the laydeez really dig purple, turns them on. It was a pretty new building and didn't need work, but this room got immediately repainted and recarpeted. And then we moved continents.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:43 PM
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And then we moved continents. With our minds.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:44 PM
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And then we moved continents.

Rowr!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:44 PM
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Pwnrwr!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:45 PM
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R-aww.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:45 PM
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I used a talavera mug as the starting point for my home paint choices.

I love the talavera palate.

I always have a soft spot for mustards

I have this vintage Descoware oval casserole that's enameled in an awesome shade of mustard yellow and I often gaze at it lovingly.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:47 PM
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68, 69: I certainly didn't feel the earth shake.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:48 PM
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I was eight. Perverts.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:50 PM
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Perverts.

Indeed. The lot of you.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:51 PM
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Crap. "shake" s/b "move".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 3:52 PM
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If I asked you for an earthshake, would you hold it against me?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 4:07 PM
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Stormcrow's earthshake brings all the boys to the yard.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 4:13 PM
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||A lawyer friend was just showing me a motion filed by his opposition in a case in southern California. Opposition Guy rants and raves about "these New York lawyers" over and over. I am unable to convince my friend to say, in his filing, "Mr So-n-So should just say "Jew" and get it over with." |>


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 4:27 PM
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There are no Jewish lawyers in Southern California, so I'm
sure that would work.

The weird over-identification between Jewish culture and.NY culture angers me for some reason. I'm mildly anti-NY in some ways, but not antisemitic.and half Jewish.

Also, try getting called a California lawyer in NY Supreme Ct. Fortunately, we won the case.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 4:49 PM
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Ok, that last comment came out wrong. But seriously, I'd estimate that maybe 40 percent of the Los Angeles bar is Jewish, and the number probably wouldn't be too much lower if you looked at SoCal as a whole. As for the culture of SoCal, I drive by about 30 Kosher restaurants, w/signs in Hebrew on my way to work. Non-Jews here aspire to get into the best Jewish preschools. So the idea that Jews equal NY, and NY equals Jews, has always struck me as weird.

This is probably just an LA thing.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:01 PM
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This isn't LA.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:03 PM
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It's definitely safe to say that Jews don't equal Texas and Texas doesn't equal Jews.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:07 PM
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And additionally, I am sorry, but if you are an entirely non-Jewish Orange Co. firm harping on "those NY lawyers" and they are largely Jewish*, well, forgive me my suspicion.

*The one non-Jew's name ends in -berg but he is Swedish.


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*The one non-Jew's name ends in -berg but he is Swedish.

Is it Iceberg?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:08 PM
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85: That would be awesome. He gets junk mail from Hillel and people pushing Jewish-themed credit cards. This means that someone sells mailing lists sorted by -berg endings.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:13 PM
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I wonder if this guy is Jewish.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:16 PM
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Ok, I'm now going to be defending some undoubtedly jackass lawyer in a pointless argument. But hometown lawyers point out that their opponents are out-of-state jerks all the time (this isn't a great strategy, but a very common one). It's somewhat fair to attack folks for being unaware of local practice, and totally fair to attack someone for being unfamiliar with local rules or law.

There's a very good probability in OC that the judge is Jewish and, whatever the composition of the law firm, there is no way you could practice law in OC for 10 minutes without encountering a Jewish judge or opposing counsel. So if this an openly antisemitic law firm, they're probably not making too much money.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:17 PM
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88: Well, the guy in question is a jackass, and the judge in question is not Jewish, but nevertheless I tend to agree with you. I don't think these bozos are "openly anti-Semitic"; I do however wonder about their harping on "NY lawyers" when they are none of them Jewish, nor is the judge, and the opposing council is entirely.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:26 PM
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"NY lawyer" can also mean overpriced, needlessly contentious, or unfamiliar with trial practice in general and local rules in particular.

I use "NY Lawyer" as shorthand for someone weird enough to work 10am-10pm and to be forced to share a tiny office for like 9 years.


Posted by: rrobert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:32 PM
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I apologize if this is a threadjack.

OT: I'm in need of a fresh pair or two of glasses. The arm on my current glasses broke last night, and the lenses need to be replaced anyway, so I should suck it up and not just get the current ones repaired. I'm looking for the first time at bifocals (!), with so-called progressive lenses, bearing no line to betray the fact that they're bifocals.

Word is that these can be pretty expensive. I know this has been discussed here before from time to time ... but anyone have any tips on less-expensive places to get these things?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:48 PM
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90: These folks have big giant offices!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:52 PM
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overpriced, needlessly contentious

anti-Semite


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:53 PM
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When we moved into this house I wanted bright in my bedroom/office--I was working from home at the time so spending most of my time in this space.

So I picked a bright yellow for the bedroom, a pale grayish green for the office and a blue that is almost the periwinkle blue of the crayon color for the trim (alas, all the woodwork had already been painted, repeatedly...)

it is great. I don't find it too bright to sleep in, it's cheerful to wake up to and in the afternoons, even in the winter, it glows in the light.

In other words, go for it!


Posted by: Paula Helm Murray | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:58 PM
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I'm mildly anti-NY in some ways,

Hrmphf. Do I make rude comments about whatever backwater you're from?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 5:59 PM
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Shh, we have to be understanding of people who live in such dangerous and boring areas.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:03 PM
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I'm anti-California myself. Also anti-Canada. Frankly, I don't care for Easthampton, Massachusetts, either, and have a serious bone to pick with Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:09 PM
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78: I could teach you but I must levy a fee.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:16 PM
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You know what really stinks? Every single location in the entire known world, along with every place one could possibly imagine and/or discover. Also, sliced bread.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:17 PM
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Everyone -- left, right, center -- gets to hate on LA. It's your birthright as an American. The right hates us for being a sinful fleshpot full of Mexicans, the left for being "fake" or not having enough bicycles or somesuch.

Fortunately, no real people live here and the place has no history, so it's OK.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:17 PM
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I thought the consensus was for hate toward every place except northern California, since no other place can sustain agriculture.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:27 PM
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I've never been to L.A. Must I hate it?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:31 PM
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Northern California is meh.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:34 PM
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103: Wait till you get new glasses.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:36 PM
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I have no idea why I'm enjoying this so much.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:37 PM
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I haven't been there either but everyone who knows me says I'd hate it plus what I read doesn't sound good, so I'll happily hate away. California, good: landscape, very, very pretty scenery. California bad: endless car civ suburban hell, plus crappy climate. SF is very nice, if a bit on the small side.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:40 PM
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I've heard LA is surprisingly nice and livable.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:41 PM
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I don't drive and I hate being in cars. LA is almost certainly not livable for me.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:43 PM
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Is calling a city livable like Budweiser proclaiming its drinkability?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:43 PM
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I'm having trouble coming up with places I outright hate, as befits my milquetoast nature. At the moment, I can only come up with South Bend, IN, which is hardly a bold stance.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:44 PM
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Cue D squared for odes to Southern California.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:46 PM
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I have a friend who went to school in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and one year that city was the cloudiest city in the world. That seems reasonably hateable.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:47 PM
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I suppose it depends on temperament. I don't drive anymore or enjoy being in cars, but it does seem that LA, even more so than NYC, gets a really narrow reputation for what people there are like. LB is often noting that it seems bizarre how NYers are depicted in movies or on TV for being one of about five types--beautiful shallow hipsters, Wall Street pricks, bourgeois neurotics, violent gangsters, and cloud-dwelling academics. Representations of LA-dwellers are even narrower.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:48 PM
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110 Provincial German cities, epitome of buergerliche soulcrushing lifeless boredom. Most mid sized Polish cities; so ugly you'll wish your eyes were bleeding.


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Representations of LA-dwellers are even narrower.

Well everyone there *is* fitness-obsessed.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:50 PM
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Aren't cloud-dwelling academics just a subset of bourgeois neurotics?


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:51 PM
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WTF is wrong with being fitness-obssesed?


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104: Yes! It'll be great. New contacts too, maybe.

Meanwhile, the geographic loving and hating -- well, of course it's absurd if and when it goes beyond any statement of personal preference. And mixing up, or together, the geographic features of a place with its population or alleged flavor invites further silliness.

Certain places appear to have certain flavors nonetheless. LA is apparently car-based. I find that bad, personally. The Pacific Northwest is apparently full of hippies and is gorgeous, which I find very very good, because I like that kind of thing, don't mind rain and fog for parts of the year. Temperate rainforest is okay for me.

Florida I hate, though I've never been there. Too hot. Texas I dislike. Too flat.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:51 PM
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117: Did I say anything was wrong with it? Huh? Huh? A little defensive there aren't we, granola boy?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:52 PM
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Northern California is meh.

It's hard to read your facial expression, but I suppose it could be saying "meh".


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:57 PM
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it seems bizarre how NYers are depicted in movies or on TV for being one of about five types--beautiful shallow hipsters, Wall Street pricks, bourgeois neurotics, violent gangsters, and cloud-dwelling academics.

Is there any place that gets depicted with any more subtlety?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 6:58 PM
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LA, like NYC, is a huge and very diverse city. Plenty to love and plenty to hate, regardless of your preferences.


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119: You know, it's been nearly 24 hours since my last bowl of granola.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:01 PM
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I'm told by those who are into such things that it's now pretty easy to set up a non-driving life in LA (applies only to LA proper). You have to be careful about neighborhoods and matching where you live to where you work.. Personally, though, one of my favorite things about LA is the chance to drive to a near-endless series of bizarre locations, so I'm not giving up my car anytime soon.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:04 PM
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Agree with RH, if you can get past the car thing, LA is one of the most fascinating and varied urban areas I have ever personally experienced.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:10 PM
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I've never heard of Ellay.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:17 PM
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don't mind rain and fog for parts of the year

You're thinking of northern California. Unless by parts of the year, you mean all parts of the year.


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120 took me by surprise. But okay, 103 was an utter troll, I admit it.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:21 PM
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I'm from LA, and always enjoy it when I'm there.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:26 PM
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L.A.'s not my cuppa, particularly the climate and the sprawl, but it is varied and fascinating in many ways, including the history. Also, really good Chinese food to be had.


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127: Really? I've spent time in Oregon and Washington (not a lot), and more in lower coastal B.C. (Victoria, Vancouver) -- in the latter, at least in June/July, there's sunshine.

It is true, though, that in general I prefer a moister, cooler environment. I got used to the four corners area of the US after a week or so, but not before my earlobes had begun to peel. I'm Scandinavian!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:34 PM
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There are parts of the year with sunshine, yes. But all parts of the year have rain. Although apparently this past summer was unusually warm and sunny.

In northern California it rains during only a few months, and there's significant fog only during a few months (often without rain).


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(Well, depending on your definition of northern California. Up towards the Oregon border, and inland, things are different than in the Bay Area.)


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:42 PM
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And, having clicked through M/tch's link, the thing about coastal metropolitan California weather, is that you can't really have a feel for the annual proportions of rain and sun unless you've been there for more than one season.

LA obviously doesn't get much rain compared to most places in the U.S., but all the rain falls in a fairly short period of time. So if you're there during the summer, you'll never see it - there just isn't that much day-to-day variation within each "season."*

Same with the Bay Area, though there's more total rain within about the same window of months. I've heard a people from outside the Bay Area say they were surprised by just how much it rains when it rains; they seem to have expected a more equal distribution of precipitation across seasons, like you get with summer rain in the east.

*Season in quotation marks because the rainy and non-rainy periods don't quite coincide in California.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:51 PM
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Coincide with the usual dates of seasons, that is.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:52 PM
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I'm going to keep talking about weather until everyone goes away and the blog disappears.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:53 PM
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I'm about to move and I can't decide on color schemes for the new house that will most effectively utilize new arrangements of our existing furniture (plus some new stuff from my store that I'm making.) I found this 60's dining table that's pretty wood with tapered legs and then covered with pink formica with tiny overlapping boomerangs in it. (the combination of good quality wood and laminate is a weird Narnian thing.) I already have dark green curtains made of saris (so they have some gold and pink embellishment). I'm thinking, gray, light pink, and dark green? for the formal dining room? hm. I haven't bought the table yet, just considering it.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:55 PM
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130: You were in LA, M/tch?


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also, talked to a bunch of people and have decided not to do anything until the cops call, if they should, because there are really people in more obvious trouble than me (like the nice doctor, unfortunately) and because the whole thing involved two non-narnian citizens, so they're always inclined to just deport whoever and wash their hands of it. so, still sad about my friend, but not worried about legal jeopardy, and hopeful dumbshit will be able to stay clean for the piss test and then just leave town.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 7:58 PM
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But all parts of the year have rain.

You say this like it's a bad thing. As long as there's also snow for part of the year that's fine. Folks were complaining that this summer in NY was rainy, I thought it was perfect - four or five beautiful days and two rainy ones per week. The problem I've heard is that the PNW gets a ridiculous amount of days with light drizzle compared with the NE which has more precipitation but less rain time.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:05 PM
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A quick look at weather underground says that there have been no days with measurable rainfall in Los Angeles since September 1st - can that be right? - and that there have been about 50 such days up here, including every day since November 4th.


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You say this like it's a bad thing.

Actually, I don't. I say it as a statement reflecting the comparative distribution of rainfall.


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137: Is this the dream house? I lost track of what happened there.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:15 PM
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there have been no days with measurable rainfall in Los Angeles since September 1st

Well, that's just sick. In my view.

eb, "up here"? I knew you'd moved up a country, but are you in B.C.? I say this only because I find the place rather excellent.


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142: But you didn't say it with sufficient enthusiasm. You could have at least added some exclamation points or something.


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143: yes! landlady is still the flakezoid of all time and her stuff is still in the house causing me tsouris, but it will all be worth it. my lease on the current house runs till end Dec., so my in-laws are going to stay here while we are there (just a short walk away), should be great.


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144: Yes, and while I like it, at least geographically, the constant 40s + rain is somewhat, uh, dampening my enthusiasm for spending a lot of time outside. That and the 4:30 pm sunsets. I hear there's snow on the mountains now and it's beautiful, but the last couple of times I've been on the side of town where there are views of the mountains, I haven't been able to see much beyond the base of the mountains.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:26 PM
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it seems bizarre how NYers are depicted in movies or on TV for being one of about five types

At least they get five. Hello, southern murderous rednecks!


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:27 PM
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Most of the time I've spent in the east has been winter and spring, but in the limited amount of summer time I've spent there, I've really liked how it stays green. On the other hand, I really like how it's green in California in the winter/spring. So.


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146: Oh, hooray! Kleos kai kerdea, etc!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:33 PM
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147: I don't recall where you moved there from, but here on the east coast of the US, there's a 5:00 pm or so sunset, so 4:30 doesn't seem crazy. I sympathize over the rain. Have you gotten yourself rain boots?

At least if you feel able to stomp through the puddles, going outside isn't so daunting. I suspect you are underdressed!

the last couple of times I've been on the side of town where there are views of the mountains, I haven't been able to see much beyond the base of the mountains.

The mountains, they are not there for you.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:39 PM
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The sunset time on the east coast of the US varies rather significantly as one moves northeast and southwest along the coast.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:41 PM
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Which is to say, holy shit it gets dark here in Boston lately.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:44 PM
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When I fly in to Warsaw next month the sun will be setting around 3:15-3:30. I'm not generally one to mind winter hours, but whenever I've lived there that was a bit extreme for my taste. The late night summer parties where you're coming home at 4 and the sun was rising was a bit strange as well.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:51 PM
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I think we're supposed to be getting up at 7 or something. That's what the birdsong says.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:52 PM
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It is that time of year.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:53 PM
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holy shit it gets dark here in Boston lately

I'm pretty sure I know what this means. You're missing an "early" in there, right? Someone (here?) recently explained that it's not actually darker this year; it's just that we fell back later, so the early darkness feels much more sudden, like an attack. Regardless, I'm not pleased.

And really, hating on Northern California? That's just silly.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:55 PM
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155 to 153.

I didn't know Warsaw had such a schedule, teraz.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:55 PM
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The sunset time on the east coast of the US varies rather significantly as one moves northeast and southwest along the coast.

Indeed. It's a rather long coast.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:55 PM
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Hours of sun varies a lot with latitude, which is really what I meant, rather than just sunset times, but my classes end at 5 and are in a room with huge windows, so you notice the dark right away. When I was in the east, I had desks with no real window access and left work after 6, so it didn't make a difference when the sun set. The constant overcast makes sunset seem to start a lot earlier here, though.

I'm actually not having a problem with the rain/wet - I generally like rain and I was expecting it - but for some reason I thought it would take longer until it was always below the low 50s. There's a noticeable difference between low 50s and even the mid-to-high 40s.


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156: strindberg + helium is the best thing on the internet ever.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:56 PM
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There's a noticeable difference between low 50s and even the mid-to-high 40s.

This is especially true when it's raining or misting or otherwise very damp. Thanks for the reminder that it's okay that I'll never move back to BC. Well, mostly okay. Sort of.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:58 PM
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Didn't you just move there, eb? And you're already mouthing off about the weather?

The PNW has a Mediterranean climate, mostly: dry summers, wet the rest of the time. As in, endless fucking drizzle occasionally enlivened by wind and/or snow. The typical forecast these days is like, rain followed by showers. But only a month until the days start getting longer, so we've got that going for us.

38: Grading-related anecdote. The other day, wife brought home quizzes she'd given her students, involving matching characters with instruments in Peter and the Wolf, and asked the girls to help grade. Looking over one, Siobhán says incredulously to no one in particular, "She thought the cat was the bassoon? THE CAT?! THE BASSOON?!", then rolled her eyes, shook her head and planted her face in her palm. She's all set for academia.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 8:58 PM
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Today, the sun set 6 minutes earlier in Boston than here, but there were about 34 more minutes of "visible daylight" over there. I don't know how weather underground defines visible daylight, but the length of day numbers about the same, proportionally.


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157: yes; add an "early" between pretty much any two of the words in that sentence.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:00 PM
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Didn't you just move there, eb? And you're already mouthing off about the weather?

I'm just trying to fit in with the locals.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:01 PM
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163.last is, dare I say it, awesome.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:03 PM
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I didn't know Warsaw had such a schedule, teraz.

Poland is at the same latitude as Labrador.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:05 PM
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Europe in general is quite far north from an American perspective. New Jersey is at the same latitude as Portugal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:05 PM
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I blame the gulf stream.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:07 PM
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I think Poland and Spain have similar sunset times in the summer, but Poland has a much earlier sunrise partly because there's just more sunlight. They're in the same timezone.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:08 PM
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169: So you're saying Americans (USians) are, generally, hot and sweaty.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:09 PM
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They're in the same timezone.

Bizarre!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:12 PM
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I don't think that's what I was saying, no.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:12 PM
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Helsinki: same latitude as Anchorage.

Glasgow: same latitude as Edmonton.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:14 PM
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163.last really is great. Damn you people and your cute kid stories; you're going to convince me having children would be nice, and then I'll have to think about actually having a serious relationship, and it all just sounds like so much work.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:14 PM
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See, Ned gets it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:14 PM
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then I'll have to think about actually having a serious relationship

Why has thou forsaken us Emerson?


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:16 PM
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I'm still rocking the Emersonian life fantastic.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:17 PM
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Not like that quitter essear.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:18 PM
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This is what happens when the leader of a movement leaves.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:20 PM
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All I said was that people are going to convince me to quit (if they keep telling such cute stories). This isn't the same as quitting.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:21 PM
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THE GUN IS GOOD. THE PENIS IS EVIL.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:26 PM
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strangely, despite being located only 3 degrees north of the equator, narnia doesn't have sunrise and sunset at 6am and 6pm as it ought. some money-related decision to be in the same zone as HK made them go with 7am-7pm. much superior to my point of view since there's a longer evening. it is still very strange to wake up not super-early and have it be pitch black outside.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:31 PM
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Is Narnia in the same time zone as the land mass which borders it to the northhh?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:37 PM
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yes, but not the same as the archipelagic nation to the southwest and southeast.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-22-09 9:42 PM
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Plenty of discrepancies easily visible here at my favorite geographical website, life-equals-jesus.org.

Because of China's draconian one-time-zone policy, there are places where you could go ahead two hours by travelling west from China into Russia, and there are places where you could go back two hours by travelling east from China into Kyrgyzstan.

Although who knows how daylight savings time policies affect all this.


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re 154

That's odd. Glasgow is nearly 3 degrees of latitude further north, and the sun set time is later. Must be the daylight saving time change, or something.

Anyway, midwinter, in Scotland is fucking dark. Compensated for [as a child] by being able to be outside in the street playing football at 11pm in the summer.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 12:21 AM
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171, 188 It's the fact that Poland and Spain are in the same time zone that gives Poland such early sunsets in the winter and sunrises in the summer. The time zone is centered a bit east of the Rhine I believe. Eastern Poland is around 20 East and Western Spain around 5 West.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 1:36 AM
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Europe in general is quite far north from an American perspective. New Jersey is at the same latitude as Portugal.

My mental map always places the two continents roughly aligned with each other, with say New York City and Paris on the same latitude. But if you look, NYC = Rome, more or less. And Austin = Cairo.

Also, my mental map of Europe is kind of stretched out east to west, when in fact the continent's much more northeast to southwest in configuration.


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Yeah, Aberdeen is further north [just] than Sitka, Alaska. It's something that's easy to forget.



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Yeah, the climates just don't match up by latitude, at least in winter. NYC has harsher winters than Paris or London. To get a Maine winter in Western Europe you need to go to northern Scandinavia. Plus center of population gravity should intuitively correspond but it doesn't.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 6:20 AM
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Yeah, the climates just don't match up by latitude, at least in winter.

This is to do with the Gulf Stream. Enjoy it while it lasts, Europeans.


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It's something that's easy to forget.

Except when sunrise is at 3am in summer, or conversely, in winter, if you don't get the chance to go outside for lunch, you don't see any daylight at all that day.


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re: 192

Or somewhere in central Europe a good distance from the sea. I've experienced a couple of really pretty harsh winters in Prague. Not hugely deep snowfalls, but bitterly cold.


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Yeah, in high school, in winter, you basically never saw daylight for weeks at a time. Half an hour at lunch time, when it was probably drizzling and dreich anyway, and a couple of hours a week of running about playing rugby on playing fields thick with slush and ice.


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I would be asleep all winter if I lived any further north. I don't get depressed in winter, particularly, but the amount I want to sleep is tightly related to how much sunlight I get -- this time of year in NY I'm yawning at quarter to five.


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I find it interesting that New York has such relatively late working-hours* (and other things as well) given where it sits in the time zone (eastish). It is like everyone is trying to avoid the sun (other than the early exercisers). Boston probably has this as well only moreso, but I am less familiar with the working hours there.

*Probably saved thousands on 9/11.


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I've wondered about that, and figured it's probably at least somewhat about trying to communicate with California -- if they come into work early, and we stay late, our working hours are similar. Not that a huge proportion of NY professionals are on the phone with California all day, but the ones that are probably influence the ones that aren't.


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196: when the school pitches were frozen hard enough that rugby would be dangerous, we used to switch to cross-country running. Also great fun.


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Yes, that too. Our high school had playing fields that were terraced [as the school sat next to a couple of bits of low-lying swampy land], and the climb up from the lowermost terrace to the road was known in school lore as the 'chocolate staircase', as it was about 30 metres of icy mud at about a 60° angle. If you didn't get to it quite early on before a load of other people had gone up it, you had to resign yourself to possibly sliding back down it, taking a few other slow-coaches out with you.


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198. I had supposed that this was a metropolitan thing. London works ridiculously late hours, commonly 10:00 - 6:00 or 7:00, whereas the Pittsburgh sized city I live in tends to do 8:00 - 4:00ish. In the case of London this is a function of commuting times. But if LA works much earlier hours than New York, this can't be the answer, so I'm now officially perplexed.


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I always thought that the late mornings in NY offices (or, at least, NY law firms, which is the only subgroup I have anecdata for) were a result of routinely long days. I know when I've been working late I cut myself slack on exactly when I get into the office the next day, and when I've been working late for a string of days that can very easily slide into a shifted-back schedule (although this happened more easily before I had a kid). So in a whole office of people working long days, the late-morning norm could get entrenched for the group as a whole.


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Being a metropolis probably does pull hours later -- there's the whole late night social/cultural scene that keeps people out late, and so into work late, and so at work late (and again which affects the people who aren't listening to new music in little clubs at 2 am, because they're working with at least some people who are). But I think the coordinating with CA is also an effect.

Come to think of it, I'm not actually sure that Californian lawyers, much less Californians in general, do come to work and leave work earlier -- the ones I've worked with seem to, but that's a pretty small sample.

OT: While the warmish November/Decembers we've been having are actually kind of nice, they're creeping me out. I really need to dial down worry about global warming into rational concern about the science rather than being phobic about weird weather.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 8:24 AM
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I spotted this thread yesterday, but was busy, an now I'm sad I missed it. I have a lot of thoughts and experiences regarding house colors!


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203: Yeah, there's that too. The interesting question isn't why NYers work late, come to think of it, it's whether Californians don't, and if so, why.


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202: I think it is a combination. In my experience for instance, Chicago is pretty early (and they can just overlap with the East Coast cities with a mere hour plus the tie-in to "farming" hours) as are other Central Time zone cities like Houston and Dallas. As i recall, LA was a mix depending on industry.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 8:27 AM
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Happy birthday, JRoth.


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204, 206: California work hours depend heavily on the industry. Lawyers are usually at work by 9, 9:30 at the absolute latest. Techies don't even think about work until 10 at the earliest. If traffic and public transit usage is anything to go by, most other office workers are doing 9-5.


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Hey, thanks, apo.

It's somehow odd having it be Monday this year - getting Iris to school and then having to get some work stuff done (so I can start Thanksgiving prep) puts it far out of mind. But we are going out on a date tonight, so that should be nice.


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I have a lot of thoughts and experiences regarding house colors!

Since it's your birthday, we'll indulge you and allow you to share despite your tardiness.


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I tend to work 10 till 6'ish myself, but that's just because I find it hard to get to work much earlier than about 9.30.* I haven't noticed much difference between Scotland and here, though.


* a combination of my being a bit crap, and the terrible traffic when I am getting the bus.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 8:39 AM
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211: Aww....

My original vision for our kitchen floor was (real) linoleum in butter (or a shade darker) yellow with sea-blue edging (see here to get an idea; I don't think the yellow I had in mind is in there). Then it turned out that our pine subfloor was in good enough shape to just polyurethane, resulting in a nice, bright room. The walls ended up being several shades of sagey-yellow green. Pictures (and narrative) here.

We had no Pepto-colored bathrooms when we moved in, but we did have a Pepto-colored pantry, plus Iris' bedroom (which is now a much milder, more pleasant pink, selected before she came along, I would add). Pepto walls = bad.


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206: Not so hard to understand. You go to work after the tide closes out the morning surf.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 9:45 AM
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Happy birthday, JRoth!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 9:57 AM
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Yes, and while I like it, at least geographically, the constant 40s + rain is somewhat, uh, dampening my enthusiasm for spending a lot of time outside.

Getting outside is key nonetheless. Stay inside all the time and you'll be ready to start opening veins by mid-January.

Not so hard to understand. You go to work after the tide closes out the morning surf.

I am given to understand that tides do not occur at the same time every day. Also that surf conditions vary depending not only on the tide but also on swell size, direction, and frequency.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 11:18 AM
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asked the girls to help grade

See now what I get from 163.last are shocking violations of wage and hour and child labor laws. If that's the sort of sweatshop you're running, Siobhán might as well be living in tsarist Russia with Peter and his motley crew.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 11:19 AM
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Not to mention FERPA. Might as well just get everyone started selling meth while you're at it.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 11:21 AM
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I am given to understand that tides do not occur at the same time every day.

I was reading a review of a campsite once, and it said it was by a nice beach, but that one needed to watch out because "the tide comes in early here".


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219: Presumably early relative to some nearby place that had published schedules. I'm taking dream/humor-killing lessons from teo.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-23-09 4:24 PM
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