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I would never speak ill of your mother or her jewelry, Becks, but I have heard many a person in roughly my demographic cohort describe yellow gold as "tacky-looking".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:42 PM
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It is just a fashion thing. I am sure gold-colored gold will be popular again.

It use to be that stereo equipment would flip-flop between silver and black every 5 years.


Posted by: Lemmy Caution | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:47 PM
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Yes, that's true but I think this is a more recent sentiment started by Gen X and Gen Y, right? Maybe? I mean, a lot of my mother's jewelry is actually my grandmother's and great-grandmother's, who were both quite stylish society ladies of their day. They were also Southern, which makes me wonder if there's a North-South divide?


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:49 PM
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I'm sure your family jewels are plenty fashionable, Becks. You should display them with pride and vigor.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:53 PM
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It's also odd that yellow gold seems to be considered "ethnic" now (which makes me wonder if that's where it's getting its stigma). Most of the people I know who wear it are Hispanic or Indian. This is actually the opposite in my family, though, with the yellow gold coming from the Old Money South side of the family and not the Swarthy Italians.


Posted by: Becks | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:55 PM
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Obviously this is because of Ron Paul and Glenn Beck inspiring everyone to melt down their gold and hoard it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:57 PM
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2 is right. I've seen more and more yellow gold recently, which suggests a comeback may already be underway (or, possibly, already happened and is now over). The 1980s and Mr. T killed off YG for a while for a while but it will come back.

The only gold men should wear are grillz.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 4:58 PM
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I suppose it should be determined by the color of your foreskin, but in certain regions, the guy doing the piercing probably only has either yellow or white gold.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:00 PM
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7 -- I have a yg ring. Two actually.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:01 PM
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9: Yeah, but you're old, Charley.

(I keed! I keed!)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:05 PM
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I knew that those jihadis had to be paying you somehow.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:06 PM
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I'm amazed that so many people in this thread seem to have detailed knowledge of trends in gold jewelry.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:07 PM
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12: We don't have park ranger money, but we can afford a little something now and again.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:09 PM
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This looks like a source for currently fashionable YG jewlery for women.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:10 PM
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Man, I wish I still had my park ranger money. Rent is expensive.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:11 PM
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12: I've had several girlfriends with very strong negative opinions about gold jewelry. Me? I don't even own a gold.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:11 PM
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So what exactly is white gold, anyway? I mean, I know it's gold that doesn't look like gold, but how does it get that way?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:12 PM
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How's this for a hypothesis? Back when gold was $200 an ounce, people got platinum because gold was too cheap for status display. People with a bit less money got white gold because it looked like platinum. However, now that gold is $1,000 per ounce, yellow gold will come back as it looks expensive and, what with the economic collapse, people might look at platinum and think "silver" because nobody has platinum money anymore.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:14 PM
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17: The color of gold is altered by trace metals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:15 PM
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19: Huh. So what makes white gold white?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:17 PM
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20: A social construct.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:20 PM
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21: Wittgenstein's Jeweler?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:22 PM
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re: 20

From wiki:

White gold is an alloy of gold and at least one white metal, usually nickel or palladium...White gold's properties vary depending on the metals and proportions used ... a nickel alloy is hard and strong, and therefore good for rings and pins, gold-palladium alloys are soft, pliable and good for ... gemstone settings

Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:23 PM
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I was looking at an advertising booklet that came with our free paper the other day, and wondering just the same thing. It used to be a rarity, something a bit different I suppose, and now most of the stuff in this booklet was silver-coloured.

My wedding ring is platinum, because C prefers the silver colour to the gold colour and we wanted to have matching rings and I don't really have a strong preference. The other ring I wear, on my other hand, is my mum's first engagement ring, which is yellow gold.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:24 PM
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Stand mixers, sea salt, moleskine notebooks.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:24 PM
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23: Thanks. So why do people go for white gold rather than silver? Just because it's more expensive?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:24 PM
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No idea.

My own wedding ring is silver, and cost basically nothing. I also never wear it.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:27 PM
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All I really know about gold is that when my mom wears jewelry (very rarely) she only ever wears (yellow) gold because she has very sensitive skin and any other type of metal irritates it. I presume white gold wouldn't help with this problem.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:28 PM
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...laydeez.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:29 PM
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Damn you, teo.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:29 PM
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Heh.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:31 PM
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23: Thanks. So why do people go for white gold rather than silver? Just because it's more expensive?

Silver tarnishes and also the two metals do not actually look the same.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:33 PM
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The comment section is weirdly straight-guy heavy for a jewlery thread.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:35 PM
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33: I was just thinking that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:35 PM
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One thing I've noticed when looking at jewelry recently is that a lot of silver seems much 'whiter' than silver I've bought in the past.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:36 PM
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I don't know, I'm a 'metrosexual' trapped in a fat schlubby body.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:37 PM
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At what point in time did buying gold (jewelry) become something middle-class people did? I assumed, on no particular basis, that wearing yellow gold signaled without doubt that one was wearing gold, which of course is gold-colored, as everybody knows -- which is something that middle-class people would like to signal if it's an aspirational act. Once it becomes no big deal to own a few gold pieces, it becomes less important to signal that you're, well, owning some gold pieces. Then you might turn to consideration of the aesthetics of the matter. And yet! What is aesthetically pleasing is in part dictated by public sensibilities.

Eh. I don't like yellow gold myself, in part because it doesn't suit my coloring.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:38 PM
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Let's make it the totally naive jewlery thread. What's up with earings? Those things have to start hurting eventually, right?


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:40 PM
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Silver and white gold look exactly the same, as I discovered when comparing silver and white gold engagement rings, but silver does tarnish. After which it looks different.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:40 PM
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35 -- I thought you were some kind of kung fu master. No way you can be that schlubby.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:41 PM
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I bought a gold-coloured dress watch a year or so back, and I think that's the only 'gold' thing I own. It's not actually gold -- it's a 40 year old Soviet watch -- and before I bought it I was convinced it'd not suit me, for the usual gold-hating reasons. But it's great.

One of these:

http://www.netgrafik.ch/civil_watches7.htm


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:41 PM
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re: 40

I'm fairly chunky, and not in a good solid-muscle kind of way. I manage to stay reasonably fit and flexible despite being a good 30-35lbs [at least] overweight.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:43 PM
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25: What are three things you'll find in my house?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:44 PM
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It's not actually gold -- it's a 40 year old Soviet watch -- and before I bought it I was convinced it'd not suit me, for the usual gold-hating reasons. But it's great.

That is great!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:44 PM
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33: I did my best to derail it right from the start, but it never took.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:44 PM
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Clearly I know very little about gold. Given my background, you might think I would know more about silver, but I actually don't. The whole world of jewelry is a mystery to me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:45 PM
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Even turquoise jewelry?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:45 PM
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My wedding band, which I also seldom wear, is white gold, the gold-nickel alloy. I like the look of nickel. In fact, I don't really know that the ring isn't just nickel, but I suppose I trust the jeweler.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:45 PM
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I know marginally more about turquoise, but still very little.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:47 PM
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In fact, I don't really know that the ring isn't just nickel, but I suppose I trust the jeweler.

You can tell if you have two containers (the smaller of which is just big enough to hold the ring, the larger big enough to hold the smaller), water, a graduated cylinder, a scale, and duct tape.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:49 PM
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The only gold men should wear are grillz.

I have a tie tack that used to be my grandfather's, a very nice pearl with with gold around (and two other not so nice tie tacks, also pearl and gold). I insist that you take that back. In fact I have a lot of nice jewelry that used to be my grandfather's. Jewelry is great; why wouldn't you wear jewelry? I personally own two pairs of earrings that I bought because I liked them so much and, were money not an object, I'd probably own more jewelry that I'd never be able to wear myself (the black pearl necklace here was nice, and there were some very nice jewelry stores in Naxos and this one other Greek city in the Peloponnese). (Theoretically the earrings I own are the stuff of future gifts, but that would require there to be a recipient.)

FURTHERMORE: I can't imagine why anyone would think yellow gold is tacky (especially tackier than white gold) unless they are being misled by tacky uses of yellow gold, which is completely understandable, since so much jewelry is crap. This is something that until recently made me believe that colorless diamonds were in themselves to be spurned; now I merely believe that they're often deployed tastelessly.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:51 PM
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10 -- Oh you're right. I'm pretty much a poster child for out of style. My second ring, which I can only wear when I weigh less than 190 lbs (and even then, usually only in Europe), belonged to my father-in-law's godmother, married in the 1920s.

So, it's about 12 degrees at 6 pm, and the visiting team is thinking about what on earth it's going to be like at game time tomorrow. I've heard that last week, our guys decided to go without heaters on the sidelines, and therefore did not have to supply them for the visiting team. Stephen F. Austin found it a little brisk by Texas standards.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 5:59 PM
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Let's make it the totally naive jewlery thread.

Pretty much. I have a fair amount of jewelry, but the whole gold/not-gold/type-of-gold thing doesn't enter into it, and the wearing of what I have goes in phases. Right now I do not have a string around either my wrist or my ankle. The only thing I wear consistently are earrings.

What's up with earings? Those things have to start hurting eventually, right?

Nah. neb really should start wearing his earrings.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:00 PM
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Well, one pair at least wouldn't suit me. And I'd have to get my ears pierced.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:01 PM
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My wife doesn't like me in earrings so I haven't worn mine in nearly 10 years. That said, I don't think I really have the face/head/ears for earrings anyway, these days.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:02 PM
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I view earings as unacceptable on non-pirate men, but I am conservative that way.

Tie tacks are interesting. They're fine, I guess, but don't add much to the ensemble. I don't think that there's anything really wrong with a pearl and gold tietack, but (barring sentimental value) I would probably sell it and use the proceeds to buy some very nice ties or a good suit or something that would make a bigger difference. C.f. cufflinks: who cares?


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:02 PM
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C.f. cufflinks: who cares?

You rang?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:06 PM
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I don't intend ever to wear earrings. However, I disagree about tie accoutrements! I plan to wear a grandpaternal tie bar tonight, and it does, I think, make a difference. Though I admit I have no idea when I'll ever use the tacks since they both damage the tie and are even more formal-seeming than the bar.

(Also tacks and bars have a function (other in the former case than destroying your tie), which admittedly one might not think very important or might accomplish by other means.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:07 PM
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55: Oh, if your wife isn't a fan or they just don't suit you these days, of course.

neb, getting your ears pierced is like nothing: it takes two seconds. It's dramatic!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:09 PM
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I'm not a huge fan of gold jewelery because I don't like the way it looks on my skin (but apparently I'm a poor judge of this because other people - people with renowned taste, actually - have bought me gold (colored) stuff with the sentiment that it would look quite good indeed). I largely stick with silver jewelery (and regularly have to polish it to prevent tarnishing, so perhaps it would be nice to have white gold).

However, I mostly just absolutely hate mall jewelery - you know, Kay's, Jared's (and oh god, how I hate, hate, hate all their fucking holiday advertisements on the radio) - which I am sure is classist, but ugh. It's just ugly to my eye. (I'm sure there is a nice piece or two to be found, so please, let me not be insulting people.) I much prefer little niche jewelers that make things in the $40-$200 range with non-gemstone material (well, semi-precious - topaz, jade, that sort of thing).

(Good lord, I must be feeling especially parenthetical today. I'll blame it on the hike/bird-watching in the rain I just took (in prep for the Christmas Bird Count). Not many birds out besides hermit thrushes, though.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:10 PM
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I don't intend ever to wear earrings.

Same here. I mostly seem them on middle-agey guys who seem too obviously interested in 25 year old women.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:11 PM
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And speaking of this being the naive jewelery thread, I only ever wear necklaces and bracelets, as I don't have my ears pierced.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:12 PM
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And rings bug me when I'm cooking, so I just leave them off.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:12 PM
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I mainly wear the same necklace every single day, plus my wedding ring. Boring!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:13 PM
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I agree with 60.2.

One of the jewelers in naxos gave, free, a very elegant silver bracelet to one of my fellow study-abroad students, who was, one has to acknowledge, exceptionally beautiful. Lucky her!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:14 PM
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I don't even wear a watch, despite owning several.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:15 PM
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I sometimes wore quite camp/elaborate earrings when I had very long hair, and usually more than just the two. Then when my hair got a little shorter switched to little studs, and then, since I cut my hair short I haven't really bothered. Even tiny silver studs look either a bit pointless, or like some sad bloke trying recapture his lost youth.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:16 PM
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some sad bloke trying recapture his lost youth.

A classic look, you have to admit.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:17 PM
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or like some sad bloke trying recapture his lost youth.>/i>

Like Jeffrey Dahmer?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:19 PM
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or like some sad bloke trying recapture his lost youth.

True, or can be, and certainly if one just can't pull it off, one just can't and shouldn't. But I do think of this a bit as like clothing (or hair styles): there's a place for insisting that you can certainly well wear clothes, or hair, usually coded for a younger person. I don't mean just that, well, of course one can, but rather that I sometimes think we cede our youthfulness, our playfulness, too quickly.

Probably we shouldn't try to do this into our 70s.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:33 PM
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I asked my mom about white vs. yellow gold when I was a kid, because she has a white gold wedding ring. I didn't see much other white gold jewelry. She said white gold had been particularly fashionable when she and my dad got engaged (1974). So yes, it does seem to go by trend.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 6:58 PM
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One of the fashion things that sticks out the most to me when I visit my parents is the amount of jewelry women wear, mostly of the mall jewelry type Parenthetical was talking about. Diamond earrings, diamond solitaire pendant, maybe a tennis bracelet sort of thing, multiple rings, all on the same person. All of it just dull, saying nothing other than 'I have a diamond'. And worn with jeans, white sneakers, and a sweatshirt.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:02 PM
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Actually, I have some other jewelry: two string ties. The one I've worn a-lawyering has a nice silver clasp* with the state seal. Oro y plata. The other one has a big turquoise.

Now I need to drive the kiddo to the Sadie Hawkins dance. I bet my dad went to a Sadie Hawkins dance in the 40s.

* I'd be interested to know the proper term for this.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:09 PM
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I wore some kind of jewish symbol on a chain for two months, given me by a friend, until he tore it off during an argument. That's it. Not even a watch.

Probably we shouldn't try to do this into our 70s.

I am going to need an existential reason, a life or death cause, to cut my hair, shave my beard, or wear something other than denim. This could be an attempt to "recapture" my anti-authoritarian youth, but I have a hard time giving a fuck about my motivation or caring what others think.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:11 PM
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My dad rode a horse to his first dance. He must not have had a date.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:11 PM
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re: 70

Yeah, and I think a certain amount of dandyism [or the feminine equivalent] and playfulness is great, whatever the age. There's no need to necessarily be boring, or dead to the aesthetic. But it has to work.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:12 PM
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73: Assuming you're talking about bolo ties, "clasp" seems to be the standard term.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:13 PM
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But it has to work.

This is the key. And this quality of it just 'working' precludes not only attempts to regain lost youth, but also the ironic wearing of certain items of clothing and accessories.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:18 PM
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74.last: bob, if you want to be a dandy into your 70s, it's fine by me. Totally.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:20 PM
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I bought a magnificent old Afghani silver bracelet inlaid with turquoise long ago on the street in Islamabad, for my then girlfriend. The guy who sold it to me, I gather, was a mujahid who then used the money to buy weapons to fight the Soviets, and we all know how that turned out. Sorry for 9/11, everybody.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:26 PM
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I wore some kind of jewish symbol on a chain for two months, given me by a friend, until he tore it off during an argument.

Orrin Hatch stole your mezuzah? The bastard.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:42 PM
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My late grandfather dressed like a dandy well into his 70s and 80s--basically until he could no longer dress himself and his wardrobe degenerated to hospital gowns and pajamas. Actually, "dandy" might not be exactly the word. When he went to college in the 20s, his fur coat said "rakish, lady's man." By the 90s, though, those fur coats definitely said "pimp."

The reception for his funeral was held at the country club he had belonged to for a billion years. One of the bartenders, who had also worked there for a billion years, said to me, as he filled my drink, "You know your grandfather, most men don't like to dress up, but Mistah Berkey, he liked to dress up."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:51 PM
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Mistah Berkey, he wasn't doing it ironically.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:56 PM
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Ugh, mall jewelry. A high school boyfriend bought me a giant cocktail ring from one of those places on credit and then threw it in the local duckpond when we broke up. Still had to make the payments, though. Kay commercials are the worst, if only because they are the most transparent in their marriage = prostitution schtick.

Yellow gold has definitely been out of fashion---I basically never see it on engagement rings these days, at least not in DC/NYC SWPL environs. But the tyranny of platinum has started to bore people---there's more yellow gold jewelry of other sorts about.

I like the rings and such from here. They have the sort of look Parenthetical mentioned.


Posted by: Amber | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 7:57 PM
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The William & Mary Villanova game is pretty good. 3:30 in the 3d, Tribe up 10-7.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:00 PM
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Nice try at changing the subject, CC. Which team has the better jewelry?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:03 PM
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Thanks, teo. I like "slide." My turquoise slide was a gift from the fine folk of Tohajiilee.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:04 PM
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Ah yes, the Enemies.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:04 PM
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Not seeing much.

Looks cold in Philly.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:06 PM
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It's cold here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:24 PM
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Most bizarre jewelry I ever saw was a chunky gold ring with a crystal dome, inside which a large diamond rolled around like a beebee in one of those handheld puzzles. the guy wearing it also had a giant gold watch, and a Lincoln whose horn played the theme from The Godfather.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:38 PM
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I saw some beautiful wooden earrings at a holiday craft fair today. I wanted an excuse to buy a pair but (a) I would not trust myself to pick out jewelry and (b) I couldn't think of anyone for whom it would be a good gift.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:40 PM
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Cool. I bet he totally pulled it off.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:43 PM
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FURTHERMORE: I can't imagine why anyone would think yellow gold is tacky (especially tackier than white gold) unless they are being misled by tacky uses of yellow gold, which is completely understandable, since so much jewelry is crap.

This is very apt. Yellow gold is regular gold, and regular gold is fresh.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:44 PM
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I didn't get a chance to say this yesterday, so I'll interrupt a thread just to say: fuck metropolitan Seattle area traffic.

That is all.

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Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:45 PM
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93 to 91.

I got a pair of dangly wooden earrings at a craft fair a couple of years ago. Nice. It's somehow never occurred to me that men might like jewelry enough to want to acquire it, but for a suitable and as-yet-known acquaintance. That's really charming. I thought y'all didn't even look at jewelry when on your own.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:49 PM
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Hey I have a naive men's jewelry question: on Mad Men (shut up) Roger Sterling in particular seems to wear a thing that plays the role with a collar that would otherwise be played by buttons. What is that thing? I thought it was a tie pin, but now I'm confused.

I have a yellow gold wedding ring, which hasn't come off hardly at all yet, and some kinda silly cufflinks. I do like cufflinks, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:50 PM
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as-yet-known s/b as-yet-unknown


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:51 PM
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I got Blume a yellow gold engagement ring because I thought white gold was tacky. Turns out I was wrong on that one.


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Apparently the tie-related accessory I'm thinking of is called a "collar pin".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:54 PM
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I don't have time to catch up on this thread, so sorry if it turned into a discussion of menstruation at comment 45 or something, but:

My understanding has always been that jewelry color is driven by complexion, more or less. I think there was a sense that wearing a lot of YG was trashy, but that may have been partly because no one wears/wore a lot of silver (white gold never entered into it). IOW, some of the trashiness attached to YG may simply have derived from the fact that, when tacky people wore jewelry ostentatiously, it was gold-colored. But that's a bit speculative.

I wanted to get a stainless steel wedding ring, but AB convinced me not to (basically because it would look obviously industrial, which is not the language of true love, or something). I ended up with white gold for reasons described above. It remains the only jewelry, of any sort, that I have ever worn.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 8:57 PM
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AB convinced me not to (basically because it would look obviously industrial, which is not the language of true love, or something)

Architect/preservationist marriages: not devoid of conflict.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:02 PM
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I'd forgotten you were leaving yesterday, eb. I assume you're in NoCal at this point (which means you've just escaped the snow and freezing rain we're supposed to get any moment now), but if you need a place to crash on the way back, email me. (And yeah, Seattle-area traffic is a nightmare.)


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:08 PM
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I harbor hopes that some additional commenters of the male persuasion will attest to wearing makeup dancing owning jewelry, if not wearing it. Nobody wears a necklace from time to time?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:09 PM
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But that would be so gay, parsimon.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:10 PM
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I'm sad. (Just really a little surprised; but it is Friday night, and not many people are around.) 'night, all.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:21 PM
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My grandfather gave me a tie tack. I think it's somewhere back at my parents' house. But no, no necklaces are worn by me--not even from time to time.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:22 PM
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103's oddly nonstandard use of "NoCal" (as opposed to "NorCal") makes me think it's a shame that nobody uses "Lower California" to refer to the area otherwise known as "Southern California", because then you could call it "LoCal" and that would be funny.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:23 PM
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Maybe I should go downtown and buy some jewelry for myself to cheer parsimon up.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:23 PM
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I don't have any necklaces, really. I have pendant-y things from burning man, that I occasionally wear at burning man, and I have a lovely string of pearls I wear when in drag as Margaret Thatcher^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^T Simpson some mardis gras bead kind of things, but no necklaces, no.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:25 PM
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108: Another option: Superior California and Inferior California.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:25 PM
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I wonder what ctrl-T does in that context


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:25 PM
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111: SuCal sounds like an artificial sweetener.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:25 PM
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I nearly bought a set of Wedgewood shirt studs and cufflinks back when I wore formal wear semi-regularly. Didn't, though, and now I have no need of them.

Night, parsimon.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:27 PM
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I have I think two sets of cufflinks, one of which are black pearl-ish and boring and cheap and the other of which are made of buffalo head nickels and hilariously awesome and cheap. Blume isn't a fan of the latter pair, but I don't let that stop me.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:28 PM
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Have any more stories of almost buying jewelry, JMcQ?


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:29 PM
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108: But "Lower California" actually refers to the area further south.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:29 PM
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I assume you're in NoCal at this point

Yeah, just got in. It was pouring rain much of the day on the coast, but looking at the northwest weather when I left Eugene (snow expected, but not falling yet), I'm glad I picked yesterday to leave. I'll keep you in mind for the way back; Portland falls in the middle of a day for the two-day drive I'm going to try to do, but weather might mean I rethink that.

I would like to do an actual Portland meet-up - Emerson's there again, isn't he? - sometime, as well as a Bay Area meet-up (if those people can ever get one of those together again), but maybe when the weather is better. I'll be back through in early Mayish.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:31 PM
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117: so google told me, and so I chose to ignore.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:31 PM
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117: Sure, but that's in that other language, so it hardly counts.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:31 PM
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119: As long as you knew.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:32 PM
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I have some jade something or other. I wouldn't know what to wear it as, but I have it. There's some good luck meaning to it. Embarrassingly, I don't know where it is right now.


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:32 PM
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I might have a lapel pin or two someplace; do those count?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:33 PM
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I used to wear a silver Mexican ring, inlaid with semi-precious stones, but I kept chipping the stones. But it was extremely outré in the corporate world so I eventually stopped replacing them.

Watches and cufflinks are the only way 'Chets' get to express themselves; any man who thinks otherwise - bolo ties, tie/collar pins, earrings - is fooling themselves in a corporate environment.

Pseudo-Presidentially anonymous for retrograde pre-dispositions.


Posted by: Aaron Burr | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:35 PM
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123: It's too late. Parsimon already got sad and went to bed.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:36 PM
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I've got a nice gold watch, does that count? It was a really, really nice Christmas present from my ex's mom. Something I never would have bought for myself, or even asked for, but that made me very happy. Strange thing is, she really didn't like me - I was white plus she was convinced that I'd corrupted her innocent daughter. Parents can be quite delusional.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:37 PM
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I wonder what ctrl-T does in that context

It gives you a boner.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:37 PM
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Have any more stories of almost buying jewelry, JMcQ?

Sadly, no. But that one was pretty exciting, wasn't it?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:40 PM
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105 More like Bay Ridge or Howard Beach.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:41 PM
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127: well that's a mystery solved.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 9:53 PM
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huh, i associate yellow gold with tacky.

This is the only yg (well, fake yg) i own: http://mensgoldwatches.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Digital-gold-casio-watch.jpg

which is mostly just for when i want that 80's preppy-cokehead-goes-to-lower-east-side-new-wave-shows look.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:02 PM
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when i'm slightly less poor i'll probably buy metal jewelry thats anodized. i don't particularly like gold color (thought copper is sort of moving toward interesting) and silver/white gold is like the worn equivalent of stainless steel kitchen appliances (DIE DIE DIE)


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:12 PM
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I've got several sets of cufflinks. One boring silver pair and a couple of handmade pairs I bought at the annual American Craft Council show in SF. (I'm particularly pleased with these.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:27 PM
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Aaron, if it's my deposition, I ask the questions and they have to answer em, no matter what big deals they think they are, and no matter what they think of my neck and footware.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:32 PM
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104: I own one set of metal cufflinks, currently broken I think, and a couple of pairs of those cord ones. I also have some nice silver skull rings and a necklace of wood and bone skull beads that I made myself! Mostly I just wear badges though. Or znotchkee, as I like to think of them.

I'm attending a drag show right now though, surely that must count for something.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:34 PM
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the other of which are made of buffalo head nickels and hilariously awesome and cheap.

I'm still waiting until I am rich enough to be able to turn a Greek coin (Bacchus on the front, Pegasus on the back) into a necklace without actually damaging the coin itself. Maybe I just need to make friends with a jeweler. The blacksmith I know didn't trust himself to work with something so small.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:42 PM
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Also, I don't like necklaces on men. Again, I think it's a class thing. Or perhaps I am just sexist. No shiny things for the boys!


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:43 PM
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Jared's

Is that the guy who lost weight by eating two necklaces per day?


Posted by: eb | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 10:50 PM
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I was given a bracelet once. A springlike copper thing that took two hands to remove, and it wasn't possibly to use the hand it was on. It was before I was married; I was sort of involved with someone, and someone else took sufficient interest in me to see how far she could push me. Far enough, it turns out, that clamping the damn thing on made a kind of sense. In an assertive claimjumping sort of way.

My housemate had to help me out of it, but not without a lot of glowering. Not my finest hour. I blame the bracelet, of course.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 11:18 PM
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Come to think of it I once had a silver bracelet back in college. Sort of a two piece wide, thin cuff like thing with some sort of runic/Native American carvings. I think my mom stole it.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 12-11-09 11:27 PM
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Also, I don't like necklaces on men.

Wait a minute, besides the pendant, I vaguely remember this coral and turquoise choker thing. I think I wore it, but I really don't remember.

I enjoy seeing a wide variety of other people's stylistic choices. I don't like conformity or uniforms or fashion. A suit can look nice, but a roomful of suits, or a demand that suits be worn drives me nuts.

One of the reasons I can't watch tv is that is there are too many ties.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:04 AM
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||

Movie of the night was Elegy with Kingsley and Cruz.

I think I hate Philip Roth.

But, Rothism aside, it felt a little liker Synechdoche, something only an older person could understand.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:09 AM
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141: its all Beau Brummell's fault, that rotting piece of shit.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:21 AM
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i forgot how good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE8caNCzbUA is


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:25 AM
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C has a silver surfer-type squiggly thing on a leather cord that he sometimes wears, usually tucked inside his clothes though. He's always got something on his wrist too - no watch, but at the moment a friendship bracelet from one of the girls, and a LiveStrong wristband that he's been wearing for years.

I like getting glimpses of personality peeking out from the neck or cuffs of a suit.

Currently my wrists are empty, but I go through phases. When my girls were into pony beads, I had an armful of plastic sentimentality, and an anklet to which I was particularly attached. (First time I'd ever worn an anklet, having grown up being told (not by my family!) that they were only for prostitutes, but I figured plastic orange shell beads probably wouldn't have that connotation.)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 5:13 AM
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143: Yes, but, to be fair, Edward VII and Edward VIII had arguably as much effect on what the well-dressed man wore through the twentieth century and into the twenty-first. Of course, when I buy a suit, the voice in my head is that of Jeeves: "His Royal Highness, sir, may permit himself a certain licence which in your own case-."


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 5:55 AM
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I have a lot of jewelry and I like wearing jewelry, but not a lot of it at a time.

These days I wear sturdy jewelry that can withstand being yanked on and put in Hawaiian Punch's mouth.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 8:04 AM
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I wear yellow gol, but my Mom's engagement ring was white gold with a sapphire and little diamonds around the main stone. I think that yellow gol woul have clashed with that.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 9:08 AM
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I think someone's d button is sticky.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 9:15 AM
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Jewelry and jewelry metals definitely follow fashion trends. The perception that yellow gold is tacky probably stems from its association with dated styles of jewelry, like the wedding ring from my first marriage. (I expect that ring will come back in style when granddaughters start receiving them from their grandmothers.)

I believe white gold was also popular during the WWII era. It's cheaper than gold, so I wouldn't be surprised if its popularity rises during times when non-materialism is in vogue.

I'm sensitive to metals, so I can only wear earrings with posts of platinum or purer gold (rather soft). I also look better in gold, but I prefer silver because it's more fashionable right now.


Posted by: Sam-I-am | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 9:47 AM
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151, I think white gold has been popular at least since the nineties, which was a materialistic era.

I only have cuff-links and a watch. Do copper rivets or shiny buttons on clothing count? If so, I have those too.

Originally, so the story goes, jewelry was a highly portable form of wealth. Diamonds are nearly useless for this purpose, but gold and platinum might be better.


Posted by: Frostbite | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 10:30 AM
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I have a silvery ring, though I don't know what material it is. Probably nothing fancy, it was a gift from the hs gf, but I think it's neat. I think my grandfather had a ruby ring--our shared birthstone--but I don't think I'd want more than one ring. As for earrings, I sometimes wanted them as a kid but never had the courage to ask for them and now my hair is so long that you'd never see them.

I am going to need an existential reason, a life or death cause, to cut my hair, shave my beard, or wear something other than denim.

Lol, the more bob writes, the more I agree with him. Soon I may have to choose between working (teaching abroad) and having long hair, a beard, and not wearing button-ups and slacks. My dream would be living somewhere with (what I imagine to be) the laid-back culture of Cal (Nor or So, I don't even know) or Hawaii and the winters of MN.


Posted by: Currence | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:14 PM
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the laid-back culture of Cal (Nor or So, I don't even know) or Hawaii

Hawaii is pretty laid-back, but can be surprisingly conservative in its social mores.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:21 PM
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(Can anyone tell that I'm not as thrilled as I should be about the opportunity to catch up a bit at work while the kid's off at a school thing and the wife is out of town?)


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:23 PM
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I have grandpa's prince alpert.


Posted by: G. Ford IV | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 12:27 PM
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Hawaii is pretty laid-back, but can be surprisingly conservative in its social mores.

My Hawaii?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 1:11 PM
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Prince Albert. Herb Alpert.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 1:25 PM
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In a can.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 1:39 PM
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Of whipped cream.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 1:47 PM
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Or, Herb, in whibbed cream.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 1:54 PM
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Peaches and Herb.
Peaches and cream.
Peaches feels cream.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:31 PM
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A topical joke:

Q: What's do Eric Clapton and coffee have in common?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:38 PM
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I like my women the way I like my Eric Clapton.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:40 PM
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What do they have in common, Stanster?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:41 PM
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On Cocaine.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:41 PM
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Also, I'm sure nothing unseemly could possibly happen from playing Apo's links during a final exam. Let's check them out!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:41 PM
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They were both at their best when part of Cream?


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166: I was worried you'd bring in the kid that died. Good work.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:42 PM
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Or ... the Yardbirds?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:44 PM
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Overroasting makes them both taste bad.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:46 PM
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You can get them at Starbucks?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 2:51 PM
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I get my Eric Claptons in the bulk foods aisle and brew my own.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:04 PM
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They're both best when freshly ground.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:14 PM
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Each stole George Harrison's wife.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:23 PM
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They're both incredibly expensive when they've been previously shit out by a Civet Cat?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:32 PM
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They're both overrated unplugged?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:33 PM
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Juan Valdez only sees each one as a means to an end?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:34 PM
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They both make you pee?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:38 PM
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168 comes the closest.

A: They both suck without Cream.

Hey-o!


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179: I don't get it.


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But it doesn't make sense to say that Clapton sucks without Cream, because Clapton was part of Cream.


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181: pee on them, sorry. They both make you pee on them.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:40 PM
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Oh, right. Thanks.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:44 PM
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They're both somewhere on this chart.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:50 PM
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Although it's a little confusing until you realize Clapton's friends call him "Sour Milk Cheese".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:51 PM
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That chart is far more interesting than I would ever have imagined.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:56 PM
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I don't see "Coffee" anywhere on that fascinating chart.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:57 PM
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Poor Ned, so hopelessly bourgeois.


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I could see how that would be confusing unless you realize coffee's friends call it "Penicillium".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-12-09 3:59 PM
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That's how you can tell who your true friends are.


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I haven't yet read the comments, but Becks, man, I feel you on this. I want yellow to match all my (tasteless, largely) gold nugget jewelry, and there is little to be found. The markets seems to think that women want everything to look like diamonds.


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187: It is! I have questions. And yet questions I didn't know I had have been answered. Verdict: excellent chart.


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Double cream is so, so delicious.


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Interestingly, the color of "yellow" gold varies by region. The high carat stuff here in Asia is a shockingly bright almost electric yellow. Apparently they only sell the paler stuff in the west.


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