Re: Subtleties of human-computer interaction

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Hey, me too.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:00 PM
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I was going to do a SOTU thread, but I don't want to stomp all over this keen observation.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:01 PM
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I got some human computer interaction for those of you watching the State of the Union tonight. The Respondomatic 5000. Its an app I just wrote this weekend, so be kind.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:03 PM
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Hey neat! I'll do it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:06 PM
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Totally! Cool app, Spike.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:07 PM
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Talking head on ABC: "He has to say 'the state of our union is strong.'" Does he, now?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:07 PM
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Also, the OP is totally right. On an iPad, there wouldn't even be room for a comment box as big as mine is right now.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:09 PM
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Thanks! I could use the critical mass.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:09 PM
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NPR: "The first lady's, uh, box, has become an institution" blah blah, above the something or other.

I might not be in the right mood for this.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:11 PM
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Who are the super-positive people using the Respondomatic?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:12 PM
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I heard that, essear. I was trying to find it on PBS, but they're not showing it.

Um, the stimulus package doesn't count for "acting aggressively." It was kind of wimpy.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:14 PM
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"Elkheart, Indiana": drink!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:14 PM
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"Main Street": drink!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:15 PM
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A drinking game that I make up as I go along is probably a bad idea.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:15 PM
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Joe Biden's a good nodder.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:15 PM
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12:Elkhart


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:15 PM
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Fuck this conciliation shit. Fight, damn it!


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:16 PM
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"Little League": drink


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:16 PM
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3: Only for that I'm watching.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:17 PM
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I like that "our union is strong" wasn't an applause line. Like, "yeah, yeah, I said it."


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:17 PM
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Why am I watching this with no alcohol?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:19 PM
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10: My sister, probably.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:19 PM
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We made what more accountable huh?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:19 PM
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You know, fuck it. I'm going out for beer.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:19 PM
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I liked watching Pelosi suck her teeth when Obama said that he hated bailing out the banks.

I'd doing your cool program, essear. But not when I'm typing.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:19 PM
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I like it when Biden grins like a fool.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:20 PM
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I'd doing your cool program, essear.

Not mine. Spike's.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:20 PM
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22->21?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:20 PM
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Are the Republicans sullenly sitting for "we cut taxes"?


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:21 PM
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Boehner looks even more orange than usual! The man is scary.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:21 PM
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Wow

We cut taxes
we cut taxes
we cut taxes

We haven't raised income taxes a single dime
Not a single dime.

Was it SB who thought I was crazy with the VAT?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:23 PM
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Two years of recession?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:24 PM
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Okay, with apologies to Spike's sister, I've got my beer.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:26 PM
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I do like the yellow suits in the audience.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:28 PM
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32: Some date it beginning as far back as late 2007, and certainly from March '08.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:28 PM
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'Tax cuts for all small businesses, and all large businesses, in order to invest etc. etc.'

Someone's going to have to wind up parsing all this in terms of policy proposals.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:29 PM
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I think mostly it firmly roots it in Bush's term.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:30 PM
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I liked the House v Senate cheer off. Actually, I'd like the House to run over and beat up the Senate. That would be a nice end to the speech.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:31 PM
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"Beat" s/b "blow".


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:32 PM
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Were people just actually chanting "USA"? Did I hear that right?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:32 PM
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Hey how many people are on this respondomatic thing?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:33 PM
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Crap, the only beer in the house is National Bohemian. What was I thinking when I bought that?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:33 PM
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Trust Unfogged to be pleased about research funding.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:34 PM
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Cool app, Spike. Can you write one with which I can click on individual Republican legislators and make them disappear?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:35 PM
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Drill baby, drill!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:35 PM
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What a fucking asshole.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:35 PM
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No, they were chanting "We're number one" and I am ashamed for them.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:36 PM
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Pelosi's doing something weird with her mouth. I guess she always does that, but it's looming over Barack's head in a creepy way.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:36 PM
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FUCK BIPARTISANSHIP ALREADY.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:36 PM
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42 - You thought you lived in Canada, home of actual pleasant living? Or possibly Narnia. (Aslan's or Belle's, who can say?)


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:36 PM
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Exactly, Stormcrow. The offshore drilling is ridiculous.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:37 PM
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No, they were chanting "We're number one" and I am ashamed for them.

Maybe they meant "We're going number one."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:37 PM
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"What a fucking asshole", if not clear, directed to the comments on clean coal, biofuels, and other wrongheaded bullshit.

Of course, the Republicans bellowing about how they don't believe in science are even bigger assholes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:37 PM
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"We're honing in on number one."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:38 PM
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44: That feature will be in version 2.0.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:38 PM
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49 GETS IT EXACTLY RIGHT

I am too tired to drink now, and I need to sleep well tonight.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:38 PM
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Who is this talk on enforcing trade contracts speaking to?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:39 PM
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If Biden tightens that tie anymore his head's going to pop like a zit.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:39 PM
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any more


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:40 PM
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32: Some date it beginning as far back as late 2007, and certainly from March '08.

The NBER (National Bureau of Economic Research) Business Cycle Dating Committee says a downturn started in December 2007. That makes this the start of year three. The FRBSL is saying they're marking the downturn as over as of 7/2009, but NBER apparently isn't buying. They do not think the stimulus was large enough to kickstart an organic recovery so they're waiting to see. This is off message as far as the Kramers of the world are concerned. Me no care.

max
['The big collapse started 9/15/08 though.']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:41 PM
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It looks like the unfoggetariat was evenly divided on Race to the Top


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:41 PM
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I guess I was questioning the fact that we've had a recession for two years.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:42 PM
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Getting rid of the private student loan industry subsidy is a good idea.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:42 PM
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I do think it's helpful to just listen to the speech rather than watching it. No distraction by Nancy Pelosi's facial expression.

What's weirdest to me about this so far is that when I listened to Bush's SOTUs, I knew pretty much every policy proposal he referred to. I don't, here. Is that just me? Maybe.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:42 PM
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People seem to like cutting college costs.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:42 PM
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"It's time for colleges and universities to get serious about cutting their own costs" -- am I just ignorant, or isn't most of the reason colleges and universities are expensive because government funding has dropped sharply?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:43 PM
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63 - Yes. It's free money for the banks that the Republicans, guardians of taxpayer dollars, are fighting to keep around. Fancy that.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:43 PM
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uh-oh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:43 PM
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Poor men, who only get to wear dark blue or dark grey suits.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:44 PM
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No health care reform. Just health insurance reform now.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:44 PM
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66 - It's complicated! Public universities are getting shafted right now, but college tuition inflation has been skyrocketing in good times and bad, at both public and private institutions, for decades.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:45 PM
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Less Bread! More Taxes!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:45 PM
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On HCR: "our approach". "our approach" Whose?

Yes, take some blame for not explaining.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:47 PM
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66: Funding cuts, sure, but also administrative bloat, overbuilding, building too many amenities to keep up with the Joneses, much higher energy costs, etc. It's pretty complicated, actually.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:47 PM
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Why did he include the deficit in that list? Is he talking about Medicare?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:48 PM
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max! And to think I wasn't going to read this thread.

(And Spike...somehow I missed that you were tech-capable. Probably it would be wrong for me to click up or down on thing without listening to the speech, right? [...] Oh, I see, the gadget automatically starts playing the speech. Never mind.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:48 PM
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"the plan we've proposed"

Whose plan? This is rather annoying.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:48 PM
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Maybe he could issue a deadline for letting him know exciting new approaches for health care reform.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:48 PM
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And I'm pwned. Also, has Obama held up a picture of Greg Oden's cock yet? If not, you're in for a treat!


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:49 PM
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"As temperatures cool" ... oops.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:49 PM
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Massive fiscal hole.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:50 PM
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But families across the country are tightening their belts and making tough decisions. The federal government should do the same.

Dumbass.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:51 PM
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Fucking belt-tightening.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:51 PM
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Freeze this!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:51 PM
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OMG, he's John McCain now.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:52 PM
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There are a lot of laugh lines in this speech. His delivery is good for that. It's strange in light of things.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:52 PM
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82: Not stupidity. Pandering. He knows its a bad analogy, and he knows most people find it compelling.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:53 PM
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"Bipartisan" and "fiscal" in the same sentence. Double drink!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:53 PM
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next year, when the economy is stronger

and the ponies come.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:55 PM
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Didn't Judd Gregg say he wanted a commission that explicitly forbade considering tax increases? Didn't John McCain vote against the bill he fucking cosponsored because it didn't forbid considering tax increases. Stop pandering, Barry.

Oregon, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you and your fucking hipster coffee.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:55 PM
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Boy, am I looking forward to next year!


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:55 PM
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Did people just laugh out loud at him.

What a fucking failure.

Where's ari to tell me that this ammonia-scented liquid from the sky is rain or, possibly, perfume?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:55 PM
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-. +?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:55 PM
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What reaction was that to barring lobbyists from certain positions?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:57 PM
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Heh. The Supremes look totally embarrassed.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:58 PM
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I like how the Supreme Court justices were just sitting there solemnly while Obama was slamming them.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:58 PM
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TPM text says "right these wrongs"; Obama said "correct some of these problems". Why weaken your point, dude?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:58 PM
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Did people just laugh out loud at him.

I believe so. This is just incredibly weird.

I'm getting the idea that Obama just really would rather not talk about all this.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:58 PM
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95: Given their performances lately, they should be.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:59 PM
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JRoth is Q*Bert!


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:59 PM
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Boy, he starts out strong and then it's vague waffle-y nothings. Paragraph by paragraph.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:59 PM
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OK, I enjoyed that visual. Sit down, SCOTUS, while everyone applauds at a critique of your crappy decision.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:59 PM
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Oregon, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you and your fucking hipster coffee.

We're doing what we can, but look, we've got serious problems right here. Like, we spent a bunch of money on Greg Oden and all we got was some lousy cock photos.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 7:59 PM
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next year, when the economy is stronger

and the ponies come.

This.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:00 PM
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95: They fucking should be; I finally read the decision--dreadful*.

*I actually don't think the specific impact will be that bad, but it is a miserablel partisan hack job, deeply damaging to the institution.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:00 PM
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I think JRoth and Parsimon are watching a different speech than I am.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:00 PM
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He's trying out a choppy, informal deliver that's halfway to Ira Glass but way out of place in the most formal speech of the year.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:01 PM
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106: Yes. The "laugh at him" was about his dig at the Repubs on how budgeting is done.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:02 PM
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To Democrats, I would remind you that we still have the largest majority in decades, and the people expect us to solve some problems, not run for the hills.

He's said a lot of irritating things, but this one gets a "hell yes".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:02 PM
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OK, this is good stuff, about the filibuster.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:03 PM
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I would vote for President Ira Glass.

Glass/Malatia in 2012!


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:03 PM
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103: Pfft, Portland. I'm talking about Eugene, man.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:03 PM
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He's going to start monthly parent-teacher conferences with the Republicans?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:03 PM
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Go back to chewing out the Republicans for blocking everything. I like that better than security nonsense.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:04 PM
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He's getting through a bit now, with the slightly-disgusted remarks about every moment being a new election and so on.

"serve our politics, not our ambitions" -- okay, not bad.

He's trying for a "cut it the fuck out" theme overall.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:04 PM
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I suspect that Ira Glass's politics are unsound.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:04 PM
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69: dark blue and gray suits are nice though. I guess yellow is nice, but it would not work with my coloring.


Posted by: Turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:04 PM
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Hundreds of Al Qaeda #3's were killed!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:05 PM
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Oh great, we've captured or killed lots of AQ leaders. Who knew?

/sarcasm


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:05 PM
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116: I'd mostly be interested in the fireside chats.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:05 PM
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Did the speech coalesce into some kind of actionable progressive items that, going forward, we can look forward to working on with the relevant stakeholders? I didn't watch it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:06 PM
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I suspect that Ira Glass's politics are unsound

Maybe, but the music on TAL is so anodyne that one is lulled into not caring.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:07 PM
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Is he leading into DADT?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:07 PM
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No. He's leading into support the vets.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:07 PM
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I'd like to see the Al Qaeda org chart with all those number 3's.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:08 PM
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If I get drunk enough at the next meetup, I'll read the SOTU text in my Ira Glass voice.

Obama seems off somehow. Maybe tired? Should he have had that pre-speech shot?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:09 PM
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Is he leading into DADT?

"This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are."


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:10 PM
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I am mentally adding "and the Republicans are all total dickheads." to every sentence in the speech. I'm finding it helps.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:10 PM
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I'm glad he's keeping the nuclear disarmament issue on the table.

Am I able to visibly manipulate these lines all on my own? No one else seemed to care about nukes.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:10 PM
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Who just laughed at him for saying something about fighting climate change?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:10 PM
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Obama seems off somehow. Maybe tired? Should he have had that pre-speech shot?

I get the sense he looked himself in the mirror before he went out there and said, "Eh. It's just a speech."


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:11 PM
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Should he have had that pre-speech shot?

He should have had a few more, I think.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:11 PM
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That one dude in Guinea is totally psyched.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:12 PM
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129: I was voting with you on the nukes.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:12 PM
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Climate change is hilarious.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:13 PM
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We all seem to love the gays.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:13 PM
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The military leaders are all frowny-faced about teh ghey.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:13 PM
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Basically, every vote you make ticks the green line up or red line down for 5 seconds. So yeah, you can manipulate it on your own.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:14 PM
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None of us are military leaders, essear.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:14 PM
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I AM!


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:15 PM
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He should have had a few more, I think.

Or something else. The first president to follow Dock Ellis's lead and deliver a SOTU on LSD will be a hero for the ages.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:15 PM
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The first president to follow Dock Ellis's lead and deliver a SOTU on LSD will be a hero for the ages.

He already is.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:16 PM
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Well, now I know emdash isn't a military leader.

I don't know why informed people want to watch things like this. There are hundreds of things that both Obama and I know are true but he would be made a media laughingstock of Kucinician proportions if he let slip that he was aware of them. Why set myself up for disappointment?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:16 PM
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I guess he's still talking. I bet it's on tv here and I suppose I could go look for it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:16 PM
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What emdash said in 131.

It seems a cross between "this is so annoying" and "can we please move on?"


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:16 PM
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"...only that it would be worth it."


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:16 PM
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He's doing the thing where he accurately tells us what we think and feel. It makes me feel extremely listened to. I bet he knows what he is doing. We should trust him.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:17 PM
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He already is.

Taft?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:17 PM
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This internet thing is making it possible for me to watch it without even moving from my chair. Just in time for optimism!


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:19 PM
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Taft?

I was going to suggest Nixon, but yeah, Tweety, who did you have in mind?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:19 PM
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Someone's experimenting.


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This internet thing is making it possible for me to watch it without even moving from my chair.

But imagine how much more this would be true if you had an iPad!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:20 PM
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USA, USA, USA? Really?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:20 PM
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I think if you're chanting "USA? USA? USA?" you're doing it wrong.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:21 PM
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"God Bless the United States of America and the Republicans are all total dickheads."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:21 PM
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134: It just seems weird to me that we have all these things sitting around and don't think about them. It's like the everyday possibility of the end of the world.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:21 PM
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And now ABC brings in George Will for informed commentary a Republican response pure evil.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:21 PM
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153: Are you mocking the good people of Haiti, sir?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:21 PM
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Anyway, it's a good thing he stopped. I'm fresh out of wine.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:22 PM
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I was scrolling rapidly down the thread and got the impression for a second that someone was reporting that Obama was speechifying with a fake accent.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:22 PM
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Is anyone going to watch the total dickheads' response?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:23 PM
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Why is the respondomatic still reporting votes. Are people reporting their changing opinion of the whitehouse logo?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:23 PM
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158: I would not think of such a thing. I'm mocking the President for not describing events such as he described more poetically.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:23 PM
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I was amused that the respondomatic crashed into the red on "God bless the United States of America."


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:24 PM
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You know Obama's real accent is Kenyan, right?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:24 PM
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162: C'mon, its a great logo!


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161: Absolutely. It should be absolutely fabulous.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:27 PM
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I'm fresh out of wine.

... and the drunk is hitting me. I've really been babbling, haven't I? Oh well.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:27 PM
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You'd think that chick from the White House could have blow-dried her hair before going on TV.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:29 PM
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OMG it's dry; it just has a ton of shit in it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:31 PM
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Yes, Mr. Republican Dickhead, it's true that all dignity comes from work. I get so much dignity out of writing Fortran and doodling on blackboards. So much.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:32 PM
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No doubt it's where all of his manifest dignity comes from.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:33 PM
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Yes, Mr. Republican Dickhead, it's true that all dignity comes from work.

You could sort of spin this as a marxist idea.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:33 PM
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Ha ha! Republicans are so hip! They've heard of Facebook and Twitter, and they have a cute woman and a diversity-enriching Asian dude in the background smiling about it!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:35 PM
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Republican diversity-enriching Asian dude.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:39 PM
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The White House bets you're wondering what four douchey 21-year-old interns think about the SOTU.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:39 PM
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Wow. The Four Douchey Interns Show is a really bad idea.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:41 PM
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All the non-douchey interns got to go to the speech.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:42 PM
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Where does one hear/see these interns?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:43 PM
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The live event has concluded. Please select another event.

But I want to know who these interns are!


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:44 PM
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177: Potomac Shore.


Posted by: Turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:45 PM
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179: They followed Obama on the Respondomatic.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:45 PM
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157: Pure evil, plus discussion of how Pete Rose really fucking hustled out there, you know? Also, bowties.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:46 PM
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Great speech, right everyone? Where's JRoth? I just want to slap him five about what a great speech that was!


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:46 PM
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They all talk like Ms. South Carolina. Like, such as. The Iraq.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:46 PM
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next year, when the economy is stronger
and the ponies come

Late in the evening the strange horses came.
By then we had made our covenant with silence,
But in the first few days it was so still
We listened to our breathing and were afraid.


Posted by: Edwin Muir | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:48 PM
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I was especially taken with the part where he said that Democrats should pass health care reform "by any means necessary". Oh, Barack Hussein, you card!


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:49 PM
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Maybe I should have gone to Brooklyn instead of staying home and listening to the SOTU.


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Rebuild failed: Renaming tempfile '/var/www/unfogged/html/archives/week_2010_01_24.html.new' failed: Renaming '/var/www/unfogged/html/archives/week_2010_01_24.html.new' to '/var/www/unfogged/html/archives/week_2010_01_24.html' failed: No such file or directory

I think I broke the website.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:53 PM
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I haven't read the comments, but I'm compelled to admit that ari is entitled to a bit of I-told-you-so. Pretty decent speech. No surrender on health care; heavy emphasis on jobs - and a sweet jab at recalcitrant Dems, as well as a few shots at Republicans.

Too much bipartisanship for my taste, but of course that's nothing new.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:54 PM
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The "laugh at him" was about his dig at the Repubs on how budgeting is done.

OK, that's fine - I tuned in just a couple lines before that, so I really couldn't tell whether it was supposed to be funny. I'll admit that I find nothing associated with the craven freeze humorous, but I'm glad that the Joint Session wasn't actually laughing at him.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:55 PM
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188 Are you in town?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:56 PM
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I'm not saying "I told you so" to anyone, pf. I thought it was a good speech, especially good for a SotU, but I'm sure that lots of people will disagree and with good reason for doing so. Anyway, I'm not feeling especially gloaty.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:57 PM
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Like all things Obama, I felt the speech was a general stab in the right direction that just did not go far enough.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:57 PM
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a general stab in the right direction that just did not go far enough

...laydeez?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 8:59 PM
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192: No, but I was thinking about going to this. (I live about fifty miles from Manhattan.)


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Color me humorless, since the one instapoll I heard seems to show that listeners feel more favorably about Obama and the direction the country's going in after as compared to before the speech, which I guess is a good thing, but: discretionary spending freeze, fewer taxes on unclear parties (I was unclear on whom), off-shore drilling I believe, green economy, aka the next economic bubble? Also more freer trade, and general hand-waving at health care reform, plus can't we all just get along?

Okay. I may be unfairly negative in mood.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:08 PM
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Mostly, I thought it was a good speech. But I don't really care about speeches. Publicly calling out the Supreme Court, to applause, about the low quality of a judicial opinion was pretty amazing -- and something that the Justices really aren't used to. I wonder if Kennedy swings further to the right out of spite


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:08 PM
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I wonder if Kennedy swings further to the right out of spite

Possibly. Kennedy is weak-minded, and therefore unpredictable.

I thought it was a very good speech. And I say that as someone who is not exactly a huge fan of Obama. I think I like his more informal style better than the soaring rhetoric. And I suspect the speech did what it was meant to do: give pundits a reason to tell people that confidence has been restored, or whatever.

I hated the part about capturing or killing the terrorists. I think the spending freeze thing, even if largely a PR stunt, is a very unfortunate capitulation.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:16 PM
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Herbert Hoover, with more war. One term and out.

Calculated Risk posted, and Brad DeLong mentioned worriedly tonight, the one-month T-Bill Rates have turned negative. Ten Year down to 3.57.

Reflation fail.

Most of this year will be spent in terror and rage. Republicans make huge gains in Congress. The second leg of GD II may start in the fall or in January. Unemployment climbs to 15.

Whatever he might want, Obama's rhetoric of tax cuts and fiscal discipline will limit his options. Try to get another Keynesian stimulus through after tonight. Forever, maybe, the fucker.

2011 will be spent gutting entitlements, which will further fuck our already totally fucked economy. I am still betting on a VAT.

Obama will manage to damage everybody and be out in one term. Loser. Wait. Speeches! Book deals! No loser Obama.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:23 PM
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I'm [still] so bored with the USA


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:31 PM
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Most of this year will be spent in terror and rage.

Just like connecting through O'Hare.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 9:31 PM
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The line that shocked me.

"That's why we're working to lift the value of a family's single largest investment - their home."

Rebubble Fail. Arms are coming due. 2010 will be the year of jinglemail, Banks are going down.

The banks are still insolvent. Hell, most everybody is insolvent. 15 months and trillions upon trillions and Bernanke can't get no inflation. Still in a liquidity trap.

Stupid or evil, I, and I think most everybody in the country am just bored with listening to Obama. He will be ignored, he has become irrelevant. He blew it for everybody.

Whatever, dude.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure neither ari nor anyone else gets to say "I told you so" until stuff happens. As in, not just a speech. As always, the rhetoric is good except for the parts that we hope are right-wing pandering for no apparent reason, but nothing's been signed.

Part's I liked: hearing him acknowledge that the problem is an out-of-the-blue de facto requirement for 60 votes in the Senate. Also, some line early on when he said "I was expecting more applause for that" or something. Funny guy.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:22 PM
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203: People hate Congress, like Obama


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:42 PM
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I'm pretty sure that neither ari nor anyone else should say "I told you so," period.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:43 PM
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Bob can keep saying "I will tell you so", however.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:45 PM
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ari is entitled to a bit of I-told-you-so

To quote a onetime commenter here,

As for Obama, I thought it was just great. A reminder that Obama is fantastic at delivering formal speeches and has a fantastic speechwriting stuff. The past twelve months are a reminder that giving fantastic setpiece speeches has limits as a political strategy. You drop out of speech mode into the realm of cold, hard vote-counting and I don't think anything's really changed in that regard.
I basically missed the speech, so I can't say anything specific, but I should be clear: I didn't actually expect Obama to give a poor speech from a technical POV - the man's a good public speaker. What I expected was that nothing he'd say would counterbalance the ill effects of his stupid, counterproductive, anti-progressive spending freeze "idea." Was I wrong about that? Did he champion progressive ideals and explain that Beltway CW is stupid and counterproductive, and that the American people should listen to liberals if they want their lives to be better?

I get the impression that, instead, he said the government should tighten its belt during a recession, just like a family. I would hoot at any pol in the world who said something that stupid, and he's no exception.

HOOOOT


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:48 PM
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I'm afraid I'm hooting as well. But I may be shouted down because I went in with negative feelings, and may have had clouded vision.

Meanwhile, this from the quotation in 208:

has a fantastic speechwriting stuff

is great.


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But I shouldn't be a dick; I just read this, and it's great:

"The problem is, that's what we did for eight years. That's what helped lead us into this crisis. It's what helped lead to these deficits. And we cannot do it again.

Now repeat it every day for the next 3 years, and we'll be getting somewhere.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 10:58 PM
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You know the speech is available online for viewing, right JRoth? There's no need to guess about what was in it. And parsimon, after I've explicitly said that I'm not saying I told you so, I don't need to be told not to say I told you so.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 11:00 PM
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You're so fucking sensitive, ari.


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212: My sweet, I've asked you many times to please stop telling me how to behave. I've asked you nicely, I've asked you snarkily, and I've asked you using harsh language. But you can't seem to stop yourself. So I'm asking you, again: please stop.


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213: Just try this for a moment: there's been a bit of "I told you so" here lately. From dsquared, and from bob, say. My 206 was a general remark to all of that, even though I don't find such comments horribly offensive overall.

But 206 was, yes, a statement (of preference or opinion) on my part. It was not about you except insofar as the construction in 206 paralleled the construction in 204: "I'm pretty sure neither ari nor anyone else gets to say "I told you so" ..."

Well, anyway. If you think nobody else here ever expresses opinions about how other people behave (comment), do tell. Do.

I'll go back to ignoring you now, and we should be fine.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 11:43 PM
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I liked it. It was designed to tell the Village that he was back, and in charge, and he totally delivered. I thought the Republicans looked flustered, and their response speech/pep rally was a pathetic little thing.

I've no doubt that this will work well with the public, which is the key to getting votes in the Senate.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 11:48 PM
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Early polling: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6149049.shtml


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 11:52 PM
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Did you read what I wrote in 193, parsimon? Regardless, please do go back to ignoring me.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 01-27-10 11:52 PM
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Sometimes people did tell you so, and sometimes it's worth bearing that in mind, in case they tell you something again, in the future.


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I did see 193. I wasn't accusing you of an "I told you so" moment. I was echoing the construction in 204. I said that.

All good then.


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Okay, I'll say it, then, if ar's not man enough to say it. Ari told you so.


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199: Possibly. Kennedy is weak-minded, and therefore unpredictable.

That was one of the more reprehensible aspects of Citizens United, the neo-facists on the court hiding behind a profoundly-confused person like Kennedy.

My personal favorite low point from the opinion:

When word concerning the plot of the movie Mr. Smith Goes to Washington reached the circles of Government, some officials sought, by persuasion, to discourage its distribution. See Smoodin, "Compulsory" Viewing for Every Citizen: Mr. Smith and the Rhetoric of Reception, 35 Cinema Journal 3, 19, and n. 52 (Winter 1996) (citing Mr. Smith Riles Washington, Time, Oct. 30, 1939, p. 49); Nugent, Capra's Capitol Offense, N. Y. Times, Oct. 29, 1939, p. X5. Under Austin , though, officials could have done more than discourage its distribution--they could have banned the film. After all, it, like Hillary, was speech funded by a corporation that was critical of Members of Congress. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington may be fiction and caricature; but fiction and caricature can be a powerful force.

Particularly since if you actually read the Time article in question you see that it says nothing of the sort. (Similarly, the opinion's use of Court's Buckley and Bellotti cases are quite misleading.) Hackery, fraud and incompetence.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-28-10 6:14 AM
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Confident Republicans Give Obama a Frosty Reception - Time
Obama to Party: Don't 'Run for the Hills' - NYT
'We were sent here to serve our citizens' - WaPo
Obama calls for unified effort to confront nation's problems - CNN
Speech Seizes the Center, Woos Independents - Newsweek
A yes-we-can speech, and a dose of reality - MSNBC
Renewing 'Change' Promise, Obama Tries to Reset Agenda--FoxNews (But a bigger font is reserved for a picture of Alito and Obama captioned: "READ MY LIPS Justice Dissents as Obama Scolds.)
Analysis: Obama channels Ronald Reagan, 'Stay the course' - McClatchy


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-28-10 6:23 AM
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What I expected was that nothing he'd say would counterbalance the ill effects of his stupid, counterproductive, anti-progressive spending freeze "idea." Was I wrong about that?

I think you were wrong about that. I was on the same page as you, and I think the speech turned out better than we expected.

(And since I was a bit dismissive of ari in that previous thread, I thought it was only right to offer him an I-told-you-so.)

The freeze had the reek of triangulation to it. Pre-emptive surrender. The speech went a long way to walk that back. This, for example, is Democrat-bashing, but it's not triangulation:

To Democrats, I would remind you that we still have the largest majority in decades, and the people expect us to solve problems, not run for the hills.

I mean, yes, he could have called out Lieberman by name, and said that he's an asshole who needs to put America ahead of his own bloated ego, but this was still nice.

As for bipartisanship, well, that's been an unfortunate feature of his presidency since before Day 1, and he stuck to that theme. Of course, we all know that Obama can't be bipartisan because the Republicans unanimously suck. If bipartisanship is your theme, you can't blame the Republicans for the failure of bipartisanship - that wouldn't be bipartisan.

So Obama did the next best thing, and to the extent he got specific about his inability to find bipartisan solutions, he blamed Republicans.

As for the freeze itself, Krugman and others have remarked that the best that could be said about it is that it's cynical political theatre. I think that in his speech, Obama did a lot to support that best-case scenario.

Now you might say that none of this matters until we see what he actually does, and of course that's true on one level. But that was also true when we were bitching about Obama talking about a freeze.


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Mark Thoma ends:"It's not too late for Congress to do more, but even if it fully enacts the measures that are currently pending, once again it will be well short of what's needed."

Look, I can't argue that the politics weren't immensely better in last night's speech.

The opposition is Republicans. The enemy is the Senate.

I think that is close (no quotemarks) to a Sam Rayburn line to LBJ.

I was close to astonishment at the praise of the House, and the attacks on the Senate and Republicans. The most partisan SOTU I can remember. I thought at one time that Obama means this to run the midterms at the side of the House against the Senate. This might even save a few House Seats, and hurt some Blue Dogs, making the caucus more progressive.

But it doesn't much matter. Even if Obama got a rubber stamp in the Senate, what he wants passed is too small, misdirected, and too late. I could go through the details, as in Nuclear Power being extremely capital intensive (very big long loans) and thus more feeding the financial beast.

Obama is still stuck in "credit channel" and "money multiplier" economics. I actually blame thirty years of New Keynesian economists more than Obama.

There will be not enough jobs, not enough money, and the voters will lash out in November.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-28-10 7:18 AM
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The Economist looks at the CBO inflation forecast

2010 = 2.4%
2011 = 1.3%


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