Re: WithOut Papers?

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Es porque eres tan guapo.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:01 PM
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The questioner may have avoided "guinea" or "dago" and chosen "wop" out of political correctness.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:02 PM
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I had, and continue to have, no idea how to react to the question.

So the guy is still waiting for a response. That's not very hot-headed southern European of you.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:05 PM
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1: Grazie, amico.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:06 PM
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You should send the gentleman an email in which you explain that while you may not be a wop yourself, you are certainly a wop-ally.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:07 PM
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Anyway, Wikipedia says the "without papers" etymology is bogus. Granted, that's pretty rich coming from Wikipedia.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:07 PM
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De nada.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:08 PM
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I'm not sure why 3 and 5 are assuming the "older person" in question is male.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:09 PM
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6: I actually hadn't heard the "without papers" thing until I relayed the OP tale to an Italian-American friend of mine. I thought it sounded a bit urband-legendy, but I don't know.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:09 PM
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I'm not sure why 3 and 5 are assuming the "older person" in question is male.

Latent sexism, probably.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:10 PM
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8: It was a male, but I didn't intentionally exclude that fact from the post. Huh.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:11 PM
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8: It's called an automatic unexamined assumption about gender. You can just call it out without being unsure. Also, the only people I've ever met who've used the word "wog" have been older and male.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:12 PM
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I'd like to know what the "kindly intentions" might have been. Concern for your welfare?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:14 PM
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I'd like to know what the "kindly intentions" might have been. Concern for your welfare?

Probably had some papers to give him, if he needed some.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:15 PM
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Did the guy own a stationery store or something?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:15 PM
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Were you bringing a knife to a gunfight?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:15 PM
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Latent Latin sexism, probably.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:17 PM
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I'm going to let rampant speculation take the place of too many context clues (for clinging-to-loose-pseudonymity's sake). But I will tell you this: he was Canadian, as I found out.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:18 PM
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Obligatory archive link.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:18 PM
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Stanley! You have to provide some context here!

Not that it's not entertaining as hell to envision the gentleman next to you in line somewhere coming out with "Are you a wop?" (Are you from Mars?)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:19 PM
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Oh drat. 20 crossed with 18.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:20 PM
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Canadians are weird, you know. Someone in B.C. a few years ago thought probably Baltimore was near Chicago, right? It was charming as hell.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:22 PM
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Baltimore is practically on top of Chicago, galaxy-wise. Probably it was a space alien.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:32 PM
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It was. That's how they are over there.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:34 PM
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Wow, what a freak. Quick, Parsi, is Penticton closer to Kamloops or Revelstoke?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:35 PM
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Let's agree that we're all closed-minded and provincial and bicker about something more interesting.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:38 PM
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Because those are totes comparably major cities.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:39 PM
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25: Shh. I know. I didn't feel remotely inclined to laugh at the person; I just said, no, it's not really that close, but same side of the country, yes.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:39 PM
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And the person's name was Andromeda.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:41 PM
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26: What happened to your posting frenzy? I was enjoying it. Go nuts.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:42 PM
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(Uh, if 30 came off sounding bitter, it's only because I often feel personal-anecdote posts like this are kind of lame. I will direct future bitterness towards my insides.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:45 PM
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I find it unfortunate that "wog" is a slur. That word has such a great sound; too bad our culture couldn't find a better use for it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:45 PM
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I'll whip something up.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:45 PM
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Quick, Parsi, is Penticton closer to Kamloops or Revelstoke?

The correct answer to this and all non-US geography questions is "who gives a shit?"


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:52 PM
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28 You're a better person than me. I was inclined to mock everyone who asked me If I speak Swedish or variants on that, starting with Reed College which sent me a brochure addressed to 'Geneva, Sweden.'


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:56 PM
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Where do you think I learned 34?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 8:58 PM
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@22

Not limited to Canadians. Friends from the East Coast have said "I'm coming to San Francisco soon; that's close to Seattle, right?" Yes, like Baltimore is close to Chicago.

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Penticton, Revelstoke and Kamloops are all within 100 miles of each other. Order of magnitude fail. Ironic, since BC is nearly 1000 miles long.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:00 PM
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starting with Reed College which sent me a brochure addressed to 'Geneva, Sweden.'

Amazing.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:06 PM
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Baltimore is pretty close to Chicago. Alphabetically, at least.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:08 PM
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37 -- I just picked towns randomly from Google maps. You think I give a damn about that boring wasteland to the North?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:15 PM
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I had, and continue to have, no idea how to react to the question.

This has never happened to me, but I think you're supposed to pull a gun on the gentleman and say "I'm better than you, you stinking Irish pig."

(Or you could say "No, I'm a Jew. People always mistake me for a wop.")


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:19 PM
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Wogs…Calais…something…something.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:20 PM
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You picked some beautiful places. I'd probably rather be there than Baltimore (but not Chicago).


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:20 PM
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35: starting with Reed College which sent me a brochure
I got a brochure from Smith College, despite the fact that I'm a maaannn, laydeez.

And I was accepted to Reed, but was too poor to attend.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:43 PM
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Also, what's the world coming to when Menard's can advertise a sale on a brand of household lubricant called "Jig-A-Loo" without a hint of irony?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-29-10 9:47 PM
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My Uncle Silvio told us "I'm a wop. You know what that means? It's Italian for good-looking guy."

True story. Only Uncle Silvio is actually my great uncle, or would be, if we were actually related to my fake cousins. Everyone has fake cousins, right?


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 1:13 AM
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From my huge sample, 60 year old Canadians are quite racist. My aunt and her friends were complaining about the immigrants - of course, they're all British, but these new immigrants are *brown*!


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:48 AM
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"The name Jig-A-Loo comes from a familiar French Canadian expression, "Ti-gi-do!", which means "I've got it!". This is what yelled the Quebec inventor who had long been working on finding just the right formula for an all-around lubricant."

Wikipedia knows all. Whatever. I'm going to look for it, it seems like it might be better than WD-40 for many uses;.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:08 AM
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I hate you, Stanley.

I hate your smarmy, good-looking face and your easy manner. I'll bet you're easy in a ski-lodge, and easy on a yacht, and easy on a beach. And I knew you'd wear a gold charm around your neck, and I bet your chest is hairy, and in summer matted with sun oil. Above all, I hate you because you're a culling blue-eyed wop!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:31 AM
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My Uncle Silvio told us "I'm a wop. You know what that means? It's Italian for good-looking guy."

Was teo subtly proposing an alternate etymology in the first comment, based on the similarity of Italian and Spanish?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:33 AM
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49: And a a jumped-up pantry boy who doesn't know his place. Not to put too fine a point on it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:41 AM
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I think "tigidou" means "OK" or "fine." But how you get from "tigidou" to "Jig-a-Loo," I know not.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:43 AM
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52: Huh. Someone says it's related to the English expression "tickety-boo."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:46 AM
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I don't think I'm a saint, but now and then I am a little shocked at the persistence of racial and ethnic slurs in cultural memory, much less quotidian discourse.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 10:53 AM
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54: I took a bunch of hahaha! just joshing with ya! repetitive wop-n-pizza-making-and-I-bet-your-parents'-living-room-is-really-tacky! jokes from a friend's super Boston Irish parents. I was sort of dumbstruck by it, since I'd never been subject to or even witnessed such a thing in my life. So weird. (Although the Irish side of my family used to call me the "skinny guinea" when I was little.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:29 AM
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55: Did they mention the statue of the Virgin in the half-buried bathtub in your front yard?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:41 AM
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I've gotten the 'Oh you're Polish, have you heard about the Polack who...' many times.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:47 AM
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56: Just about!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:49 AM
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57: '...comments on Unfogged?'


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:52 AM
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repetitive wop-n-pizza-making-and-I-bet-your-parents'-living-room-is-really-tacky! jokes from a friend's super Boston Irish parents

Ha ha, how many of your relatives are in AA?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 11:55 AM
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re: 57

You'd be surprised how often people try to essay a groundskeeper-wullie-style fake Scottish accent, to your face ...


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 12:00 PM
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I got a stereotype I'd never heard before last night. I stopped at the grocery store on the way home.
Bagger: Is that your real hair color?
Apo: Yeah, it is.
B: Got some Irish in you?
A: Yeah.
B: Pretty much all the Irish people I know are really good artists.
A: Huh. I didn't get that one. Just the hair.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 12:04 PM
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I recently learned the phrase 'Irish Alzheimers' -- you forget everyone but your enemies.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 12:06 PM
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50 - Yes. And then he made it explicit.


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 2:35 PM
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"Irish twins" was unknown to me until college, sepite growing up (somewhat) Irish Catholic.


Posted by: Otto von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 2:45 PM
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"Irish twins" and "Vatican twins" are slang terms for siblings who are not actually twins, but rather, were born fewer than 12 months apart [2]--possibly in the same calendar year and/or school year.
Huh. I did not know that. Thanks, Wikipedia!
Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:34 PM
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I've never heard "wop" except on the TV or ironically. I have heard "paisano" (pronounced without the final syllable) used by those of Italian ancestry.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:38 PM
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67: Both were fairly common in the Fifties on Long Island. Haven't heard either much since.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:43 PM
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67: Both were fairly common in the Fifties on Long Island. Haven't heard either much since.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:43 PM
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65, 66: did not recall learning that phrase until after we had a kid.


Posted by: Turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:44 PM
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68: I've never been to the 1950s or to Long Island (unless you count landing at JFK).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 3:46 PM
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I've only ever heard "paisano" used by members of the groups being referred to, and only ever in a neutral or friendly way. Is it considered a slur?

Is that your real hair color?

People who ask this befuddle me. The eyebrows (and even more, eyelashes) are almost always a good tell for hair color; if you're that curious, just look.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:01 PM
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72.1: Nah. It just means "countryman."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:24 PM
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Maybe they don't want to be noticed gazing intently into the other party's eye-regions.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:36 PM
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72.2: Of course some are known to dye their eyebrows and/or eyelashes. Probably not Apo, though.

Questions like that are just an expression of irrepressible curiosity. I tend to take it as charming (I tend to get: "Is your hair really like that (i.e. moderately curly)?" I don't know why it seems so odd to people, except that I must not look like a curly-haired type otherwise.)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:40 PM
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Don't know if I've already spoken of it here, but not long ago in a conversation with my dad I mentioned that the weirdest pass I'd ever gotten was at a party in Warsaw where a woman said 'Oh, you're Jewish? I've never slept with a Jew before' (After the standard when did you're parents emigrate ask and answer). He said that there is, or at least used to be a stereotype in Poland that Jews have big penises and are good in bed. He added that it got him laid a bunch of times way back in his bachelor days. I'd known of the one about Jewish women being oversexed that was prevalent in prewar Poland, but not the one about Jewish men. Maybe it explains why in his antisemitic stuff Celine keeps on going on about how Jews seduce gentile women and make them not want gentile men, while also turning good Christian boys into gays that want to be fucked up the ass.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:43 PM
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I have heard the one about Jewish men being good, by which I mean attentive, lovers.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:47 PM
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That is completely true.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:50 PM
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78: Hence the popular refrain:

Does your nosf hang low?
Does it wobble to and fro?
Can you tie it in a knot?
Can you tie it in a bow?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:53 PM
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73: Yes, I should have been clearer that I was making a contrast. I haven't heard the insults, only the more positive slang that would only be used by someone Italian themselves.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 5:57 PM
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From Xaviera Hollander's The Happy Hooker (pg. 195*).

AMERICAN JEWISH men are among my favorite and most frequent customers. They are also, sadly, among my biggest freaks and weirdos.
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As lovers the American Jewish men are very capable and considerate, but very uptight about eating pussy. This just doesn't happen naturally, but once you teach them, they are not bad at it. They are well-behaved in my living room, and even though they drink very little, they usually tip the bartender, and often also the maid and the doorman.

*Surprised they have Search Inside turned on for it. She gives her opinion on various other nationalities and ethnicities.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:04 PM
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She gives her opinion on various other nationalities and ethnicities.

Does she suggest how to decide the fate of archeological artifacts when two or more of these ethnicities are in conflict?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:07 PM
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I don't see, what would it be, Semites? Unless they insist upon the matter. It's just a rumor: what I heard* was that their parents teach them that a woman's pleasure is just as important as a man's. This seems a good thing to teach.

* This was coming from an older woman friend of mine (I was in my 20s at the time, she 40-ish) who had second-married a Jewish man, and she had things to report.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:11 PM
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I don't see, what would it be, Semites? Unless they insist upon the matter.

What, they don't ask first?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:20 PM
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I'm not following that, neb. I meant that I don't usually register whether someone's Jewish unless they keep telling me they are. That's all, no big deal.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:32 PM
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neb was playing on "seeing someone" -> "dating someone", knowing perfectly well you were referring to the "don't see race" template.

At least, that's what it said on Standpipe's blog.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:50 PM
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If you just come out and tell her like that she'll never learn, Ham-Love.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 6:55 PM
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87: On the contrary. It's the only way I'll learn.

Apparently I'm sensitive about this noticing the Jewishness of people. Someone I was dating got really mad at me once because I hadn't realized it. I didn't know what to say other than to apologize?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 7:05 PM
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I have heard the one about Jewish men being good, by which I mean attentive, lovers.

At last, an explanation for my frequently being identified as Jewish.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 7:29 PM
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Are you also well-behaved in living rooms?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 7:38 PM
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I'm sensitive about this noticing the Jewishness of people

Stupid Gentiles with their confusing me-too circumcisions.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 7:54 PM
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I know a two white gentile couples with boys named Isaac. Which will probably makes things more muddled. I think the idea is to get things so confused that they'll have to let every man know where the clitoris is.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 8:23 PM
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At last, an explanation for my frequently being identified as Jewish.

That and your traditional Jewish first name.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 01-30-10 9:03 PM
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I think the real question, Stanley, is whether you're swopl.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02- 1-10 3:32 PM
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