Re: A Day Late And A Dollar Short

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David Luban has a nice takedown of Margolis's report, and Jack Balkin has a more meta post about the whole thing.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 7:58 AM
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Oh, the Luban article is excellent. But I should really read the report first.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 8:10 AM
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This guy read it as well.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 8:24 AM
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Semi-OT: Good legal news from PA:

A Pennsylvania appellate court has rejected a 25-year-old legal precedent and ruled that a parent's homosexual relationship cannot be used against the parent in determining child custody


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 9:03 AM
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If we, in our impotence, can do nothing to punish the wrongdoers, remedy the injustice, or erase the disgrace to the nation, can I propose we at least undertake this: visit the websites of Spanish resorts and municipal tourism authorities, and sign Mr. Yoo up to receive promotional materials by email and postal mail.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 9:39 AM
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Speaking of Spain.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 10:56 AM
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I don't get the post title. If they were being disbarred, the punishment would be a day late and a dollar short, but since they aren't...?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:44 AM
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7: I believe LB was doing a self-critique.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:48 AM
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The report's been horrendously delayed, so it's late, and while it seems to slap them on the wrists, from what I've read about it it recommends no actual punishment. A delayed reprimand rather than a speedy disbarment is late and short.

And my post was itself both late and skimpy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:49 AM
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both late and skimpy.

Which is a real good news/bad news situation with your hot girlfriend.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:52 AM
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When it's a gimmick, sure, it's ultimately boring, and lots of molecular gastronomy seems to involve way more elaborate and gimmicky contortions than are actually worth the trouble. When people get all hot and bothered over that sort of thing, it's tiresome. But the sheer fact that an item is interesting for the surprise as well as the deliciousness doesn't make it worthless, and the surprise can result in plenty of new opportunities for deliciousness in less theatrical settings.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:57 AM
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GODDAMMIT.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 11:57 AM
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11 to 10.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:07 PM
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11: I propose that Yoo and Bybee be thrown into a giant blender, whipped into foam, and served to the American people in martini glasses with a garnish of razor wire. It's really the only way to fully appreciate the full horribleness-ness of their horribleness.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:30 PM
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14: No, no, rfts was making the eminently sensible suggestion that Yoo be treated to dinner at El Bulli.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:37 PM
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So long as he's served lemon chicken.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:39 PM
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rfts was making the eminently sensible suggestion that Yoo be treated to trussed for dinners at El Bulli.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:40 PM
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So the only ones punished in any tangible way were Scooter Libby and the 8 enlisted soldiers actually photographed torturing people, right?

Yoo is frustrating, but the Blackwater killers who got off on a technicality associated with immunity granted by a republican have me more angry.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:45 PM
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18.1 And the thousands of people languishing in various military prisons . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 12:53 PM
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anyone else read it?

This sets a troubling precedent. I don't want to be required to actually know something about the subject matter before I comment.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 1:53 PM
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Here's a Scott Horton piece noting that Bybee, Yoo, and Bradbury were all at the relevant times actively seeking office, and so might plausibly have acted with corrupt motive.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:03 PM
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And Horton on Margolis.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:05 PM
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Another Horton piece following up on Luban's Slate article about David Margolis.


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:06 PM
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Damn you LB!


Posted by: Ugh | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:06 PM
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This sets a troubling precedent. I don't want to be required to actually know something about the subject matter before I comment.

As far as I can tell from these articles actually knowing about the subject matter before opining on it could be down right dangerous and open you up to ethical misconduct charges. You are much better off spouting off willy nilly with no background knowledge.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:12 PM
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In case it wasn't clear why I thought it a good idea to invite Yoo to El Bulli.


Posted by: pain perdu | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 2:57 PM
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I just assumed you wanted him to suffer from a meal that, while technically proficient, was ultimately more about showy presentation and chemistry experiments than a satisfying dinner.

But then, wouldn't we have become the true monsters?


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 3:10 PM
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Yes ari, I am a bad person for not averting my gaze, but:

1) Now there is Amy Bishop the unpublished novelist.

The novel, a thriller titled "Amazon Fever,'' is peppered with references to Harvard, where Bishop went to graduate school and worked as a researcher, and follows Olivia to Alabama, where she struggles to save a flagging career amid a global pandemic that leaves women unable to bear children. Through it all are Olivia's anxieties about achieving success as a scientist.

2) The incident continues to be an interesting Rorschach:

... but being denied tenure when you're in your mid-40s at an out-of-the-way obscure rural campus in the deep South is a catastrophic loss, and people don't understand that," says Jack Levin, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston. Yeah, OK, so Northeastern's not Harvard, but Boston, Mass., motherfucker! Boston, Mass.! Make sure that gets into your fucking fishwrap.

In the end this looks like a disturbed person with a history of violence exploding at the workplace when things went badly there. So not really such a unique trajectory.

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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 3:38 PM
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Well, the system worked, didn't it?


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 5:22 PM
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IOZ

Ms. Kagan gave examples of prohibited conduct. A lawyer would commit a crime, she said, by filing a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of a terrorist group. Helping such a group petition international bodies is also a crime, she added.

And what should we expect from the Justice Department of such an administration, such a President? I am surprised Obama didn't confer knighthood upon Yoo and Margolis.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 5:49 PM
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30: I read about that yesterday and it's absolutely shameful. On civil liberties, this administration has been *at least* as bad as the previous one, and usually worse.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 5:57 PM
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30: Wow.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 8:09 PM
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On civil liberties, this administration has been *at least* as bad as the previous one, and usually worse

Well, at least Obama hasn't ordered the torture of innocent people for the purpose of extracting false confessions to use in building the case for an illegal war. Yet.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 9:05 PM
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Maybe he just hasn't come up with a good enough illegal war yet.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-24-10 9:21 PM
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The Holder v. HLPtranscript is quite good, and I think, fairly accessible even if one hasn't been trained in O'Brien and Brandenburg. One is always left wondering why anyone thinks much of Justice Scalia . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-25-10 9:27 AM
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33, 34: Gotta save something for the second term.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-25-10 9:34 AM
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30 -- I don't know how the Court is going to come out on this, but it's certainly always been the case that the sort of sanctions we have against countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea preclude my entering into contracts with those governments, without getting a license anyway.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-25-10 10:01 AM
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Maybe he just hasn't come up with a good enough illegal war yet.

I hear he's planning to invade Colombia in order to take control of that nation's abundant supply of cocaine and hot white women.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 02-25-10 12:56 PM
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38: So that's what this meeting was really about!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-25-10 1:02 PM
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