Re: Muppets Take Manhattan

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Today is Tuesday June 1. I think the next Tuesday, June 2, is in 2015. I'll mark my calendar.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:16 AM
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Today is Monday. I know because I didn't go to work yesterday and nobody called to yell at me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:18 AM
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I didn't go to work yesterday until someone called me at 3 to ask why I wasn't around. The answer was that I had just woken up at 2. This is a weird week.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:20 AM
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Wednesday, June 2nd. Today would be more difficult, as we are not in New York.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:22 AM
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I am very sad to miss it! But I will continue to insist that someone order a French Pearl.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:23 AM
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Wait, the second day of the workweek isn't a Tuesday? Anyway, fixed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:25 AM
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Woohoo! I, for one, am very likely to order a French Pearl.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:26 AM
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I am not quite as sure that our presence is worthy of basking, but trust the lizard, I guess.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:28 AM
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I bask at the drop of a hat.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:29 AM
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And, to be clear, intend to be there and basking tomorrow. I'm a little intimidated by the menu, though -- left to my own devices I drink beer or whiskey.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:30 AM
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I'll be there.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:38 AM
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Things will continue after 8, will they not? Should we plan a next location now, or assume latecomers can check in with Sifu's liveblogging?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:39 AM
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10: There's a regular old bar, too. I don't know about beer, but maybe you can sneak some up from the Mexican joint downstairs.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:40 AM
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I'll be there. It'll be an early birthday celebration for me.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:41 AM
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13: It seems silly to go to a place known for cocktails and drink neat whiskey, so I'll order something complicated. I'll just complain about it beforehand, because I don't have enough real problems to keep me amused.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:44 AM
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15: and then you'll taste it and your face will light up with mildly bewildered joy, and all will be celebration.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:45 AM
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I don't know from cocktails, so I'll be relying on self-hating WASP Sifu Tweety for drink advice.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:46 AM
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mildly bewildered joy

Indeed, one of my favorite emotions.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:48 AM
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8,9: I'm an American, I bask for no man or woman. (It's like dipping the flag, right?)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:54 AM
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13: It seems silly to go to a place known for cocktails and drink neat whiskey,

Sillier to go there and order vodka tonics, which is what several douche-looking people were doing the one time I was there.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:57 AM
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20: maybe they have Q Tonic!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:57 AM
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21: Now explain the vodka.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:59 AM
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22: perhaps they were doing user interface testing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:01 PM
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It must be for prosodic reasons that we say "vodka tonic" rather than "vodka and tonic". Perhaps elision is in order.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:05 PM
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ooh, a meetup...


Posted by: jpv206 | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:08 PM
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I'm not sure how I feel about drinking at a place with an ethos. On the other hand, I like that they sell bitters. The travails of hipster-spectrum disorder. I will see y'all there tomorrow evening.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:27 PM
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1. Todd Bridges outlives Gary Coleman.
2. Bill & Hillary Clinton remain married while Al & Tipper Gore get divorced.
3. ???


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:50 PM
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It'll be an early birthday celebration for me.

Is your birthday Thursday? Then we'd have to reinfeiern.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 12:51 PM
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Did we/do we need to call and reserve? Looks like we've got at least 7.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:05 PM
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I believe Mister Smearcase will be attending as well.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:14 PM
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21: nowhere did at that time.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:15 PM
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Just called 'em.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:17 PM
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27: Iowa gets gay marriage, California bans it.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:18 PM
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32 cont'd: ... and the reservations people weren't there yet, but are supposed to call me back.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:20 PM
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34: When they call back, try to work in the old "only about the veal" joke. I'm guessing that is the highlight of their day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:27 PM
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I accidentally gave my real first name, and will have an uphill climb convincing them they misheard and I'm actually named "Mutombo".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:30 PM
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Mutombo is his last name. Or technically his second of six names.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:32 PM
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37: that doesn't make it any more likely to be my name.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:41 PM
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38: But they don't know that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 1:43 PM
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"I know I said my name was Jeff. Jeff Mutombo. It's Ukrainian."

(delete if Sify's name really is Jeff)


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 2:00 PM
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Nobody really has the name Jeff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 2:06 PM
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27: China bans coerced confessions, U.S. Supreme Court says they're okey dokey.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 2:10 PM
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Try again: China bans coerced confessions...


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 2:12 PM
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China bans coerced confessions, U.S. Supreme Court says they're okey dokey.

Come on, they did no such thing. He was read his rights and said he understood. He then remained "mostly silent" and was answering some of the questions. I haven't read a single account yet of any threats or behavior that would amount to coercion.

I really don't see what the big deal is here. If you're not going to talk, don't talk. If you don't want to get asked any questions, say "I want a lawyer", or "I refuse to answer questions". What you don't get to do is get informed of your rights, state you understand your rights, answer some questions, but try and take back one of your answers with "see how I got all quiet before you asked me that? That was me invoking my right to remain silent."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 3:10 PM
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A reservation has been made and Pegu, under my real name.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 3:34 PM
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"at Pegu".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 3:36 PM
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Mister Smearcase is indeed attending unless this cold doesn't go away, but I have explained to all the tiny fauna laying siege to my person that Pegu has an ethos and you don't want to mess with that. Errors in grammar and sense in this posting may be taken up with the tiny fauna, also.

(I'm not sure if a cold virus is properly to be called fauna. I had a coach for biology. If you went to a public school you may know what I mean.)

I'm going back to bed. Perhaps I will put on Debussy's Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un Microfaune in which a cold virus, represented by the piccolo, hits on a pack of nymphs, who ignore him, because he is microscopic.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 3:47 PM
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44:In my interpretation of the amendment and Miranda, it isn't that the suspect has a right to remain silent...during 5-12 hours of sustained subtle inducement to talk, about the weather the Celtics, you have the right to remain silent, do you like the President, the price of milk sucks, and oh by the way, where is the body.

It is that the police have no right to talk to a suspect. At all. Ever.

Sotomayer is right, this turns Miranda upside down, in part because Miranda was unclear and not forceful enough.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:03 PM
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48.2: Pictionary for Police.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:19 PM
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It is that the police have no right to talk to a suspect. At all. Ever.

The key word in the fifth is "compelled", and I guess we're differing on the meaning there.

If a state wanted they could just pass a law banning all interrogation of suspects by the police.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:23 PM
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I will be there as well, to Ice Sifu at the bar.

I totally used the device in 27 today during my opening lecture for one of my courses. The board would have looked hilarious to the next instructor had I not very carefully erased it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:27 PM
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What I have been wondering is the need for semantic difference between "suspect" and "person of interest". Does "suspect" have a particular legal definition, rights etc. that a "person of interest" would not? Because if it is just for the court of public appearances, it doesn't matter one bit.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:29 PM
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Perhaps I will put on Debussy's Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un Microfaune in which a cold virus, represented by the piccolo, hits on a pack of nymphs, who ignore him, because he is microscopic.

yay! (this is also related to today's lecture)


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:30 PM
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I will be there as well, to Ice Sifu at the bar.

You're not supposed to tell him in advance, dammit. Honestly, AWB, sometimes I doubt your commitment to the Church of Bros.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:35 PM
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Telling him in advance might cause Tweety to bring a bottle of smirnoff ice with him to the Pegu Club, which would be far more embarassing than the actual icing ("Is that a bottle of smirnoff ice in your hand? sir, we can't let you bring that in here. Oh, yes, we're sure you do want a French Pearl and would know how to appreciate it, Mr. Smirnoff Ice. We're sure."). AWB knows just what she's doing.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:39 PM
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Point taken.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:44 PM
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Ice Chicken is a lot like Gay Chicken.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:56 PM
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It is that the police have no right to talk to a suspect. At all. Ever.

Unless his name is Gates?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 4:58 PM
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"Excuse me, ma'am. Could you tell the guy holding your purse to freeze? Thanks. Now tell him to drop the knife."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 5:05 PM
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59 is why tasers were invented. I have talked people into dropping knives and lowering guns, and at the time I thought it was crazy and stupid to try.

58 What a silly trivial contentious dispute to hold a long grudge over. I'm sure that cop would have paid good money to get Gates to STFU.

gswift, being the pro, nailed it instantly in 50. It's the practical interpretation of "compelled." We have much more sophisticated tools than truncheons nowadays.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 5:33 PM
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60.3 is part of the problems I have with various Gitmo torture discussions. I know very well there are extremely smart well-trained intelligence professionals who say they don't need no stinking water torture or stress positions, just give them a little time to develop a rapport and they can get that Afghan taxi-driver to confess to killing Jimmy Hoffa.

I believe them.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 5:40 PM
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just give them a little time

WE don't have a little time, bob! Now pull the trigger!


Posted by: Jack Bauer | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 5:45 PM
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Gitmo aside, Bob, you don't have to sit and get questioned for hours. Precedent is already clear that once you ask for a lawyer questioning has to stop.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 6:08 PM
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61: I'm sure intelligence professionals are as trustworthy and accurate in that as in all other things.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 6:43 PM
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I should be used to it, but the thread drift in here keeps leaving me briefly concerned AWB is intending to taser me into confessing at the meetup.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:27 PM
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65: Poor Tweety. I think bob will class you with Gates. Fucking Cambridge preppies.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:30 PM
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55: That was the bit that confused me about the whole "Iceing" business: If someone tries to bring any outside alcohol in here, we stop them, confiscate their drink/s*, and maybe let them in. If we catch them drinking something they've brought in inside, they're 86'd, at least for the night. That's what you have to do to keep your liquor license. So that whole "I told the bartender to hold the Smirnoff Ice while my bro was walking in" bit just sounded stupid. Of course, at the kind of places those guys drink, maybe anything goes.

*Which the bartenders then drink themselves later, at home.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:41 PM
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67: perhaps the gentleman telling the anecdote in question bought the Smirnoff Ice at the bar, and then asked the bartender to hold on to it until his bro tried to order a beer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:42 PM
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If someone tries to bring any outside alcohol in here, we stop them, confiscate their drink/s*, and maybe let them in.

My aunt, on being told that she couldn't bring her drink into the hotel restuarant, downed a low ball glass of whiskey on the rocks before the hostess could take it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:45 PM
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I'm thirty years younger than she was at the time and I couldn't drink that fast.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:48 PM
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68: That or maybe the bartender bent the rules out of brolidarity.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 7:50 PM
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68, 71: Well, it's probably a good chance that he bought the Ice there, but the way it was described originally, it sounded as though these guys were walking around with Ices in their back pockets, waiting for a chance to Ice a bro. Brolidarity is thicker than water.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:04 PM
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Is that an Ice in your pocket or are you just glad to see me for sound heterosexual reasons?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:06 PM
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"Hey, Chas? I know you're busy 'tending and all, but can you do me a brolid?"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:15 PM
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The states of matter are plasma, gas, liquid and brolid. Ice is a brolid.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:22 PM
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I miss brogged.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:24 PM
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Huh. What with all the hoopla this weekend, I missed the NMM news about Peter Orlovsky. Sad. I mean, it was all sad, from Burroughs' horrible childhood to Kammerer's murder to Cassidy's prison terms to Kerouac's drinking himself to death to Corso's marginalization and Ginsburg's silly apotheosis (and of course the fact that all the women wind up in parenthesis or shot to death). There's a reason they called it "beat" after all. I wonder how people will look at that scene when the last contemporaries of those guys (and women) finally shuffle off? Is it all just going to seem like another facet of the spectacle? Does it now? What did any of it really mean, anyway? If it was all basically narcissistic, it was a hell of an evocation of narcissism. All other things being equal, most of them probably would have been better off following Nanao's example, but that's a tall order in itself. Hmph.
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Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:27 PM
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New alt text!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:41 PM
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That cheered me up.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:45 PM
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77:I don't much like any of the beats, at all, but I think they meant a lot for a while, especially as precursors of the hippies and various liberation movements.

(Reminded of the Mad Men episode where Don gets rolled and Peggy gets laid. Captures some of the 50s).

But I think it has been lost again for a while, that spirit of America Twain shows at the end of HF, the part that says it is ok to Fuck it all just take off and go.
Literally or metaphorically.

Narcissistic? It's like in negotiations, if you can't walk away from the table, you are going to lose. Living-in-society must be a free choice, not a moral duty. Maybe being beat is simply feeling the choice, that freedom, existentially, taking responsibility by saying it is ok to split, but I'm staying.

Like I said, lost for now, The kids are all so fucking social.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:51 PM
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And will no one think of the lawns?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:52 PM
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For Witt: All 27 outs of Roy Halladay's recent perfect game.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 8:54 PM
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I think I actually may have masturbated to Orlovsky once or twice, for reals.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 9:18 PM
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Living-in-society must be a free choice, not a moral duty.

How about a plain fact, like breathing or occupying space and time?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 10:04 PM
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Silly rob. There are no plain facts here. Everything must be judged.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 10:09 PM
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I just wanna go someplace where there aren't any Greasers or Socs!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 10:09 PM
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Sometimes I find myself judging the plainest of plain facts. Like time. For most of my life I have been against the existence of time, but more recently I've been reconciling myself to it.

Over the same stretch of time, I've also been developing a grudge against objects. I'm beginning to think that the world should not be composed of objects. Even if it is the case that now the world is a totality of things, it should be a totality of facts.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 10:13 PM
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Wait, tomorrow is Wednesday? I need to remember this, because they do street cleaning on Wednesday.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:09 PM
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I probably won't make it up to New York tomorrow, much as I would like to have tasty cocktails and meet you all. Or, if I do show up, it will mean the harebrained project I've committed myself to spending this week on crashed and burned and I desperately need a drink.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:13 PM
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88: They clean your streets in Canada? Socialism.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:15 PM
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Street cleaning is known in the US as well.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:22 PM
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Is fa even in Canada these days?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:23 PM
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As a potential owner of several private streets, I'm outraged.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:24 PM
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Wait, what? You're buying streets?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:24 PM
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I mean, I might. In some distant future. Hence the outrage.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:26 PM
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Comment #95 is a big hit at standpipe's other blog, bee tee dubs.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:28 PM
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It would have been great if they cleaned the street where I parked all last fall. The leaves and dirt piled up behind the wheels every time it rained; I parked my car at a different point along the block every time I drove just to allow the water to wash away the debris left where I'd parked the last time.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:28 PM
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What's so strange about a flea market under an interstate? Elevated freeways in urban areas are often built above parkingish lots.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:29 PM
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What's so strange about a flea market under an interstate?

Nothing, really. Like Korean propaganda speakers, it makes perfect sense in context.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:34 PM
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In what situation would "Under the Interstate" be a specific enough direction?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:35 PM
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In what situation would "Under the Interstate" be a specific enough direction?

In a neighborhood containing only one interstate and only one nearby underpass.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:37 PM
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The sign in 91 contains much more specific directions than "under the interstate," of course.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 1-10 11:37 PM
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Wait, what? You're buying streets?

Not only that. He's planning to build a hotel on Park Avenue.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:48 AM
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Wait, what? You're buying streets?

He needs three. It's the only way he can get a house.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:58 AM
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In Canada, old people wait six months to have their streets cleaned.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:01 AM
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IYKWIM.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:31 AM
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Dammit, OFE.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:37 AM
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(I will be there in a mink coat at this rate, internal thermostat somewhat fuxxored. Also: pockets for bottles of a beverage not to be named so as not to blow any strategic advantages.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:32 AM
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27: 1. Todd Bridges outlives Gary Coleman.
2. Bill & Hillary Clinton remain married while Al & Tipper Gore get divorced.

3. Using your position as a priest to abuse children gets you cover for years from the Catholic hierarchy; making a difficult* life or death decision in your official capacity as a nun at a Catholic hospital gets you quickly excommunicated (don't be confused by the "Irish nun" in the headline, it is the Arizona case (the nun was Irish-American) --the write-up in the Irish Independent just happened to be one of the most comprehensive that I found.)

*Actually, hardly difficult by almost any standard, woman with 4 living children given an abortion to save her life, but given her position and personal beliefs I thought it a fair characterization.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:15 AM
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(and of course the fact that all the women wind up in parenthesis or shot to death).

The Beats were the original band of bros-in-brolidarity. Cassidy would've iced a bro in a heartbeat.

I'm beginning to think that the world should not be composed of objects.

"No ideas but in things," as Dr. Williams remarked between babies.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:16 AM
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Cassidy and Cassady probably had an intense reality.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:17 AM
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#111. They were bros.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:20 AM
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110.last: "Thoughts are Things." Epitaph on Prentice Mulford's gravestone.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:28 AM
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Pre-bro-up liveblogging: I'm on a bus!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:38 AM
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Are you wearing your flippy-floppies?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:44 AM
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I'm not, but the honest-to-god bro sitting next to us who keeps sticking his nasty-ass feet all over the place is!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:06 AM
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I am, however, wearing my bus terminal-themed pashmina afghan.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:07 AM
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the honest-to-god bro sitting next to us who keeps sticking his nasty-ass feet all over the place

Sounds like somebody needs an icing! You are holding, I trust?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:13 AM
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You've been iced, Blandings! Take a knee and consume.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:17 AM
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Wow, that's even more likely to make you puke.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:20 AM
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120: I think you mean "bromit".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:22 AM
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109.3: Christ, what an asshole that bishop is.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:23 AM
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Hey, due to a last-minute rescheduling, I am going to be able to stop by tonight! [And the people rejoiced.]


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 12:59 PM
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We are no longer on a bus!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 2:55 PM
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Flippy-floppies status?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 3:01 PM
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Still fashionable!


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 3:15 PM
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When you are walking there from the train -- if any of you indeed walk there from the train -- you can see if this BP sign is still delightfully vandalized.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 3:22 PM
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We are here!

And the liveblogging begins!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:07 PM
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I don't yet see any flippy-floppies, but the French pearl is reputed to be as good as advertised.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:13 PM
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127: All cleaned up.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:16 PM
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130: Boo.
129: Would I lie to any of youse?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:17 PM
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the French pearl is reputed to be as good as advertised

No matter how hard I try, I can't read "the French pearl" as anything other than a euphemism.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:27 PM
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Word.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 4:31 PM
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Liveblogging cont'd: there's a crowd and people seem to be enjoying their drinks.

Craziness!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:04 PM
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Has anybody grabbed anybody else's ass yet? What about knifefights?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:07 PM
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We're trying to figure out if the lesbians down the bar are on a blind date or a regular date.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:21 PM
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Tonight, they're on a date with destiny.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:22 PM
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The bathroom doors in this bar slide open! How weird is that? In other news, Jackmormon has arrived, and Yawnoc now knows about my sinister history as a computer hacker.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:59 PM
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No sign of teo yet. Teo! Teo! We miss you!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 5:59 PM
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Who is there, Tweety? Aside from you and JM and Yawnoc (and, presumably, Blume, who's not rude enough to be on her iPhone).


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:01 PM
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the French pearl is reputed to be as good as advertised

Ok, so it's advertised as being yea good, and it's reputed to be yea good, but is it yea good?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:18 PM
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141: it is!

140: bave, teraz, jm, lb, awb, smearcase, yawnoc, blume, sifu, blandings, washerdreyer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:22 PM
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Now there are guitarists, who are great, but my deaf ass can't hear a thing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:28 PM
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Teo! Teo! We miss you!

Aw. I miss(ed) you guys too. Next time, maybe try a bar that isn't literally impossible to find.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:35 PM
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None of us can hear over the admittedly lovely music. So basically I have no idea who any of these people are or what they're on about. Fortunately, its mutual!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 6:41 PM
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Apparently karaoke may be on the agenda after all.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:08 PM
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144: wait, you actually came out?!? It's the doorway that says "Pegu Club" at the listed address.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:09 PM
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I saw no such doorway.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:10 PM
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teo, getting a fellow attendee's phone number ahead of time doesn't fall along the Ask/Guess distinction. You really do have to explicitly ask, unless you're super-duper lucky or the person's name is Jenny and had a song written about her.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:12 PM
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Teo that is very sad.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:14 PM
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The internet tells me the doorway looks like this, for future reference.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:15 PM
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Yeah, I really should have gotten someone's number ahead of time. I just didn't think of it. I was worried about something like this happening, but I never thought I wouldn't be able to find the place at all.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:16 PM
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Stick a knife in someone, grab their ass, or throw a drink in their face, and you'll get to learn what they're about right quick.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:16 PM
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152: Sorry to press you on it, and tell me to lay off if you don't wanna get into it, but you didn't ask around or anything? I mean, you'd come in from another state and all.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:19 PM
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I mean, just in case the conversation is going awkwardly.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:19 PM
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Sorry to press you on it, and tell me to lay off if you don't wanna get into it, but you didn't ask around or anything?

I did not. There may well come a time in my life when I'm comfortable doing something like that, but now is very much not that time.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:23 PM
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Is it one of the storefronts in the building with the brightly colored tile facade? I walked by there but didn't see it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:25 PM
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157: Yeah, it's -- I think -- the first one past the Mexican restaurant on the corner.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:28 PM
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Maybe we should start a fund to get teo a phone with which he can post comments like "help! I'm stranded on Houston St!"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:29 PM
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158: Huh. I only walked down that block once; I probably should have gone back to look at it again before giving up. Very few of the buildings had obvious address numbers, which was frustrating, but maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place for them.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:33 PM
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That sucks. I should have remembered to say that one would be looking for just a door -- since the bar itself is upstairs.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:40 PM
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I was basically looking for just a door, but I guess I wasn't looking hard enough.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:47 PM
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I knew the bar was upstairs (it's right there on the website), but what's underneath it?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:48 PM
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We just ate slices and I think are heading towards karaoke? Hoo boy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:53 PM
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163: there's a Mexican place next door, but not exactly downstairs is like a nail salon.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:54 PM
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I don't remember exactly -- I'm pretty sure it's the first door in that jade-and-red-vaguely-Chinese-themed-building east of West Broadway. So the corner of West Broadway and Houston is the Mexican restaurant, and Pegu is the first door east of WB that isn't the Mexican restaurant. As to what's under it . . . is it the fancy Japanese lingerie store?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:55 PM
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Yeah, I saw the Mexican place. I didn't really look closely at the places in that other building; in retrospect, it seems totally obvious that that's where it would most likely have been. Oh well.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 7:57 PM
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Okay this karaoke bar is weird.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:12 PM
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AC/DC would be proud!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:17 PM
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Bave is the reincarnation of Neil Diamond!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:20 PM
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mike d found us somehow!

Yawnoc does a masterful Alanis Morrisette... Er did. Okay now it's a group effort.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:30 PM
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Pro tip: don't do tambourine on the mic using your beer.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:31 PM
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I ♥ Sifu's liveblogging.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:34 PM
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So sad I missed the karaoke. I'm a loser and have to go to sleep.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:35 PM
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I ♥ Sifu's liveblogging.

Yeah, it's the next best thing to being there.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:42 PM
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LB about to rock some violent femmes. Wait! Cancel that "about to".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:50 PM
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You are all very sad you missed Blume doing Dolly Parton and Bave doing Julie Andrews.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:51 PM
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This is true.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:54 PM
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I am sad. But I'm with you in spirits.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 8:56 PM
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174: Your fellow loser am I. Home with the cat while Bave is apparently singing Julie Andrews? I shall have stern words indeed with the microscopic wretches helling around in my upper respiratory region.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:02 PM
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Karaoke has turned into kind of a whole bar song-a-long with some random strangers. But really competitive? I think they might all be high.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:27 PM
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I'm not completely sure, but I think 180 is Yoda speaking in haiku.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:29 PM
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Descending into Nabakov by the last line, I guess.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:31 PM
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with some random strangers. But really competitive? I think they might all be high.

Maybe it's the rival blog, fnudeggo.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:31 PM
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Yep, I think they're super high. We all just sang Hey Jude together.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:32 PM
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You could be too, with a little help from your (new) friends.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:33 PM
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Did you sing all four minutes of nah nah nah &c.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:33 PM
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187: you know we actually did.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:34 PM
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I would be surprised if they hadn't.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:36 PM
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These guys put their whole asses into karaoke.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:40 PM
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Bon Jovi is up! Crazy high kid has an unplaceable accent.

Quote: "your red tie vs. my red dog penis"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:44 PM
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Who's got a red tie on?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:46 PM
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Turns out maybe Bon Jovi is my karaoke metier. Who knew!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:49 PM
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192: miked.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 9:49 PM
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Why is this version of American Pie at half
tempo? And who picked this terrible song, anyhow?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:01 PM
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Up next: Alice's Restaurant.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:03 PM
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At half tempo.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:07 PM
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Yawnoc KILLS the Black Crows! Yow!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:09 PM
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Now there's a guy here by himself doing "That's What I Like About You" for the second time tonight. Things have taken a turn for the very strange.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:16 PM
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Kobe would stab him twice.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:17 PM
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Needless to say things have degenerated.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:42 PM
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Sounds like knife fight time to me.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:53 PM
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Bad Romance for the second time = time to go!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 10:54 PM
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203: Sounds like time for a Rad Bromance! Who's got the crappy, warm, malt-liquor drink?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 11:18 PM
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Too late. There was a lot icing back and forth tonight, though. Believe you me, hone.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 11:26 PM
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Big Bro prevailed.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 11:30 PM
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Blume turns out to be the best country karaoke singer in the North-East Corridor, if not the world.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 2-10 11:50 PM
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I cannot second 207 strongly enough.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 12:01 AM
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Good meetup. Nobody got stabbed, except with my eyes.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 12:08 AM
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There was vomit, but as far as I know, it didn't belong to us.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 12:11 AM
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I believe vomit is classified under the common law as an abandoned chattel, and thus does not truly belong to any man.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 12:28 AM
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This sounds like so much more fun than my band practice, which consisted of three-quarters inane Israeli-Palestine arguing and one-quarter a cool new song. At least I made pizza.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:17 AM
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211: Jetsam, surely? And another wow to Blume's karaoke. She was awesome.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:07 AM
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Can anyone's Karaoke top Fleur's? Fleur said that she was supposed to be getting a karaoke set as a gift. I'm looking forward to the meet up possibilities.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:32 AM
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207: Blume and Fleur together rule! I want a duet.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:35 AM
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214: I sense a Blume-Fleur karaoke duet in the not-too-distant future.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:38 AM
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216: I can't rule out the possibility that such a duet could end like this (relevant portion begins at about 2:50).


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 6:17 AM
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This was the first karaoke bar I'd ever been to with this song. (Song starts at about 1:30.)

I have been waiting my entire life to sing that song at karaoke.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 6:45 AM
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Other songs as of yet unmentioned that were rocked by Bave include "Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys" and "The Love Boat."


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 6:51 AM
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"Mamas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys"

This is stuck in my head this morning, which isn't making the hangover more pleasant.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 7:29 AM
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"Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to drink a bunch of cocktails with things like genever in them and (barely fortified by slices of pizza) subsequently head to a goofy Korean-style Karaoke bar where they proceed to drink too much of something-or-other while belting out rousing choruses of Super Freak" doesn't have the same ring to it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 7:41 AM
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Hangovers just don't make sense. I went out for a friend's birthday last week and had two drinks, and was unhappy all the next day -- headachy and queasy until I went to bed. After last night, with a broad spectrum of bizarre and complicated cocktails, topped by a bunch of beers, I'm a little short on sleep but otherwise fine. Maybe the off-key screeching I was doing had some protective effect.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 8:48 AM
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Yeah, I'm surprisingly not dead this morning. The Advil trick may have helped.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:03 AM
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the song (and video) in 218.1 are great.

Seeing the elvis impersonator makes me think that this might have karaoke potential.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:17 AM
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The Advil trick seems to have worked swimmingly for me; I feel swell. Go figure.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:18 AM
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What's the advil trick?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:22 AM
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The goal of a prostitute with arthritis?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:31 AM
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A couple of Advil with a glass of water before bed, and then again when you wake up. I actually forgot, but felt fine anyway.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:42 AM
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My drinking friends say that a glass of Emergen-C before bed helps a good deal.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:57 AM
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In my experience, the most important element in any of those tricks is actually the water.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:01 AM
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||

If you're still masturbating to a Golden Girls episode, you probably ought to to change the channel.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:04 AM
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222: I've had the same experience of feeling shitty after a couple of drinks and fine after several. For me, it seems to be more about how tired and stressed I was before I started drinking than how much I drank.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:08 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was the off-key screeching. Something about the vibrations denaturing the alcohol.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:14 PM
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denaturing the alcohol

Isn't that usually a way of saying "poisoning the alcohol?"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:16 PM
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I'd try that, but people wouldn't let me continue long enough for any protective effects to be significant.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:16 PM
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235 to 234?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:19 PM
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235 to 231.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:29 PM
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You can't "denature" alcohol. That word only applies to large molecules like proteins which have what's called a secondary structure (basically, the way they are folded). Denaturing causes them to stop working because it returns them to a structure that is more like a long chain.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:42 PM
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On the other hand, there does appear to be a thing called "denatured alcohol" using a definition of "denatured" I've never heard before, that is to say, #234. Sorry.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:43 PM
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Now we know who has never tried Sterno.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:47 PM
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238: This is, of course, absolutely correct. I was looking for a techno-gibberish sounding way of saying 'render the alcohol innocuous'. Also, screeching offkey probably wouldn't actually work to fend off a hangover if someone else tried it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:47 PM
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HA! WE CAN DENATURE ENTIRE OCEANS.


Posted by: OPINIONATED BRITISH PETROLEUM | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:50 PM
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In case ari's around and read 242, here ya go, buddy.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:53 PM
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243: Seeing that really reminds you how much Apo's kitten sucked in comparison.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:54 PM
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For enzymes, denaturing means rendering them innocuous. For alcohol, denaturing means rendering it deadly. Fantastic.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:55 PM
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Hey, that kitten was doing the best it could under the circumstances.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:56 PM
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I really think that "denatured alcohol" is the more common use. Maybe somebody should warn scientists not to drink rubbing alcohol, Sterno, and the like.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 1:57 PM
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Proteins are also denaturable.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:07 PM
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Aren't enzymes usually(always?) proteins? I believe that would have been better phrased as "Proteins other than enzymes are also denaturable."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:09 PM
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Yeah, I'm surprisingly not dead this morning. The Advil trick may have helped.

Helped destroy your liver!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:10 PM
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Loser kittens be losing.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:11 PM
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It could have been that enzymes are the only proteins that are denaturable. Whatever.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:11 PM
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Cheese on an office microwave is the most denatured protein.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:12 PM
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250: That's Tylenol.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:18 PM
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I can never keep that straight either, and the liver is one of my favorite organs, so I stick to aspirin.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:21 PM
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255: I've heard that denaturing aspirin renders it unsticky. So try that.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:23 PM
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Actually, aspirin plus alcohol significantly increases stomach damage, IIRC.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:23 PM
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I can never keep that straight either, and the liver is one of my favorite organs, so I stick to aspirin.

I think ibuprofen is also not great to mix with alcohol. I don't think it will liquefy your liver like Tylenol. Aspirin is the only OTC analgesic that doesn't interact poorly with alcohol as far as I know.

M/tch seems to disagree though so someone should whip out an iPhone and settle this.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:26 PM
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Actually, ibuprofen is apparently the best of a bad lot, so I take it back.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:26 PM
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I heard that ibuprofen was the best of a bad lot from an actual med student!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:27 PM
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257: Only if you take the alcohol orally.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:32 PM
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Two hard-partying doctor friends told me about Advil to prevent hangovers. They said it's looking like a lot of what's going on in a hangover is due to inflammation, and ibuprofen is a good NSAID. These friends have pressed Advils into my hand at the end of a night of drinking.

A bit of googling suggests ibuprofen + alcohol can increase the risk of stomach bleeding, but there's very little about liver toxicity.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:44 PM
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A bit of googling suggests ibuprofen + alcohol can increase the risk of stomach bleeding, but there's very little about liver toxicity.

Yeah, from the little searching I did just now it looks like acetaminophen increases liver toxicity and pretty much everything else increases the chance of stomach bleeding. Most of the problems seem to be with people who are using the drugs over an extended period of time with high levels of alcohol consumption. A couple of Advil or aspirin after one night of drinking probably not going to be a big deal.


Posted by: CJB | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 2:51 PM
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Glad y'all worked that all out.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:15 PM
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You know what hangover cure REALLY doesn't work? Hair of the dog.

Menudo does work pretty well.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:28 PM
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Didn't Bertie initially hire Jeeves because of his all powerful hangover cure?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:33 PM
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some secret recipe involving tabasco and raw eggs, I think?


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:35 PM
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266: He did! "It is the Worcester sauce that gives it its colour. The raw egg makes it nutritious. The red pepper gives it its bite. Gentlemen have told me they have found it extremely invigorating after a late evening."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:40 PM
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"I would have clutched at anything that looked like a lifeline that morning. I swallowed the stuff. For a moment I felt as if somebody had touched off a bomb inside the old bean and was strolling down my throat with a lighted torch, and then everything seemed suddenly to get all right. The sun shone in through the window; birds twittered in the tree-tops; and, generally speaking, hope dawned once more."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 5:40 PM
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Uh-oh. Someone is wrong about biochemistry on the internet.

Enzymes are nearly all proteins, but not always. Some naturally occuring RNA molecules (e.g., ribosomal RNA) are also enzymes, as are a number of totally man-made RNA and DNA molecules. Many proteins are enyzmes, but plenty aren't.

Whether or not a protein or nucleic acid is an enzyme, it'll have a properly folded native state. Denaturation is, as Cryptic ned said, about unfolding, disrupting the long-range non-covalent interactions that hold the native state together; contra ned, what comes out is not in general just a linear molecule, but rather an ill-defined and tangled goo. Denatured molecules are still capable of making long-range non-covalent interactions,* but they make a whole mess of interactions, rather than just the subset that gives you the native state. Depending on the molecule, it may or may not be possible to revert from goo to native state.

/humorless pedantry oh who am I kidding.


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 6:46 PM
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Someone is wrong about how to spell "enzymes" on the internet. Dammit.


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 6:47 PM
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270: I gave this exact lecture to LB and the assembled company earlier that evening, GB. It doesn't "take."


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 9:36 PM
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Well, the play we came down to NYC to see turns out to be awesome. Everybody should go!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:12 PM
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Which play was that?


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:34 PM
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"Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson". Dude was so. emo.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:39 PM
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I thought it might be that show. A good friend of mine is it in, playing Monroe.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:50 PM
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276: your good friend was sick tonight. His understudy was totally on-point, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 3-10 10:52 PM
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