Re: Oh, look. Another stupid thing in South Carolina.

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He later clarified his statement. He did not mean to use the F-word.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:28 PM
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The good Senator was unaware that "raghead" is not actually considered a politically correct way of referring to sand n****rs outside of Southern Republican circles.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:29 PM
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I don't really see how "fucking" makes much of a difference, if you've already got "raghead". Perhaps that is the point. It's hard to say.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:31 PM
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I don't really see how "fucking" makes much of a difference

Will Folks and Larry Marchant do.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:35 PM
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"Knotts says he believed Haley has been set up by a network of Sikhs and was programmed to run for governor of South Carolina by outside influences in foreign countries"

… programmed?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:41 PM
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"raghead" is not actually considered a politically correct way of referring to sand n****r

The proper terminology (after you differentiate between India Indians and whoo-whoo Indians, of course) is push-starts and pull-starts. Obviously, though, that's all a bunch of pointless hair-splitting: Mexicans is Mexicans.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:42 PM
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In Polish the term for someone from India is 'Hindus', while Indianin just means Native American. So you have Hindu Hindusi, Muslim Hindusi etc.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:46 PM
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Hey, they're even allowing ragheads in the US Army!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125142736

Actually, I think leading a battalion of sikhs would be pretty cool, them being one of the warrior sects, and all. Hooray for the Raj, American style.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:46 PM
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I'm trying to think whether anything good, ever, has come from South Carolina. I guess they have that mustardy barbecue sauce, right?

I mean, I'd keep Mississippi and Alabama on cultural contribution grounds, but SC, no. Also, I believe that the state is responsible for those "Cocks" baseball hats that were sadly popular at my college.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:47 PM
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5. The ragheads licensed the programming technology from the chinks.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:48 PM
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I'm trying to think whether anything good, ever, has come from South Carolina.

It's close to Savannah, which is real swell? That's all I got.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:49 PM
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Oh, and isn't Populuxe from there or living there? Or some commenter?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:49 PM
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Hooray for the Raj, American style.

Come on, now. Rerun was everybody's favorite.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:51 PM
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anything good, ever, has come from South Carolina

Populuxe and Alameida, yo. Also Hootie and the Bl-- mmm, never mind that last one.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:53 PM
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I'm trying to think whether anything good, ever, has come from South Carolina

Pat Conroy?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:57 PM
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Hootie and the Bl

Why did the dolphins make him cry? That was always mysterious to me. Do babies cry at dolphins? Are dolphins sad?

OK, Populuxe and Alameida, so we've now got two positive aspects of South Carolina. Probably a lot of cool black people emigrated from there, too.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 12:59 PM
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16: It was the Miami Dolphins, I believe.

(Wait, were you joking? Cross-posted at the relevant place, just in case.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:01 PM
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Probably a lot of cool black people emigrated from there, too.

Dizzy Gillespie and James Brown. Also the not-black Jasper Johns.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:02 PM
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I understand they have good food down there.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:02 PM
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9: If you're really asking, the first thing that comes to mind for me is Menotti's Spoleto festival in Charleston. Interesting stuff has premiered there and it's just a lovely festival. I went as a kid and heard Crumb's "Black Angels" so I think of it fondly. I imagine there are one or two other things to redeem the state.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:02 PM
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Probably a lot of cool black people emigrated from there, too.

James Brown, Dizzy Gillespie, Eartha Kitt, and Chubby Checker, to start with.

Also Stephen Colbert, who is cool but not black.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:02 PM
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♪ "Raj, American Style,
Truer than the Red, White and Blue.
Raj, American Style,
That's Sikhs and you." ♬


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:03 PM
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Odean Pope.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:06 PM
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Nice to know that South Carolina isn't going to give up its "Worst State in the Union" title to Arizona without a fight.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:06 PM
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20: Spoleto and Blenheim's Hot Ginger Ale.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:07 PM
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25: I'm not familiar with that band. What kind of music do they play?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:10 PM
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19 is very true, though perhaps only until the crude oil reaches the shellfish beds. Also, I found myself wondering last night whether a couple of well-placed oil-bearing hurricanes might fatally poison significant portions of the Everglades, and started to feel sick to my stomach all over again.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:16 PM
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"When I was reading up on Jake Knotts story it occurred to me that I was wrong to worry that the forces of globalization and mass commodified culture had obliterated the Southeast's aboriginal racist cracker subculture. It seems to be remarkably resilient and adaptive right here in the early 21st century."


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:17 PM
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Blenheim's Hot Ginger Ale

We have an empty bottle of this on our kitchen window sill (saved owing to the fact that we live on a street similarly named). I didn't know it was from SC. That was some good fucking ginger ale.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:17 PM
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27: Ugh. Those pictures of pelicans and other birds covered in oil have been haunting me since I saw them yesterday.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:18 PM
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29: "Hot" as in caliente or as in picante?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:19 PM
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We don't know that Knotts is actually racist. This could be just a cynical ploy to divert more DHS money to SC by attracting Islamist terrorists.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:21 PM
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31: Picante.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:23 PM
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30: Yeah, me too. I can't even really feel angry about it any more, just despondent.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:25 PM
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(It's driving me mildly bonkers to see two post titles in a row with "Another" in the them. So, you know, sorry if that's bugging you, too.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:28 PM
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You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.


Posted by: Gene Wilder | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:28 PM
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I suppose I might as well link to this here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:34 PM
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37: That's interesting stuff, teo. I didn't know quite a bit of that history.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:41 PM
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38 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 1:48 PM
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Hey, neat. The last band mentioned in this post just showed up at my house.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:01 PM
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Charleston is a nice town and the barbecue is pretty good, but not nice enough or good enough to make up for Strom Thurmond.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:04 PM
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38, 39 get it right.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:11 PM
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40: No shit?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:13 PM
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43: F'reals. Apparently last time they were in town, my roommate told them to arrive earlier next time, and she'd take them out to a cool swimming hole. Turns out they're playing in town tonight and were jonesin' for a pre-show swim.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:19 PM
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I was about to mention that Charleston is exceedingly lovely. Probably my favorite city in the southeast, at least to visit.

Every time read about SC gubernatorial candidate Andre Bauer I think, wait, this guy?


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:29 PM
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Those pictures of pelicans and other birds covered in oil have been haunting me since I saw them yesterday.

I hadn't actually opened today's paper until just now. Good lord.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:30 PM
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Nice to know that South Carolina isn't going to give up its "Worst State in the Union" title to Arizona without a fight.

Arizona is not taking this lying down:
A group of artists has been asked to lighten the faces of children depicted in a giant public mural at a Prescott school. (Via John Cole)


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:42 PM
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38, 39, 42: Thanks. It's based mostly on this book, which is interesting but not very readable.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:54 PM
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47: Prescott's an extremely conservative area even by Arizona standards, so I'm not surprised something like that would happen there.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:55 PM
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"City Councilman Steve Blair spearheaded a public campaign on his talk show at Prescott radio station KYCA-AM (1490) to remove the mural.

In a broadcast last month, according to the Daily Courier in Prescott, Blair mistakenly complained that the most prominent child in the painting is African-American, saying: "To depict the biggest picture on the building as a Black person, I would have to ask the question: Why?"

Blair could not be reached for comment Thursday. In audio archives of his radio show, Blair discusses the mural. He insists the controversy isn't about racism but says the mural is intended to create racial controversy where none existed before.

"Personally, I think it's pathetic," he says. "You have changed the ambience of that building to excite some kind of diversity power struggle that doesn't exist in Prescott, Arizona. And I'm ashamed of that."

Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 2:59 PM
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But here's some cheering news:

Gonzo Asking For Donations To Cover Legal Bills, Still Looking For Book Publisher.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:03 PM
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Also, does the link in 46 go where you want it to, Stanley? I just get an image of the front page, and there are no sad bird pictures on it.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:04 PM
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Huh. I see oily birds when I click it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:11 PM
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I have been somewhat confused by the series of posters about hepatitis b in san francisco that only show large groups of asian people.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127409718

Apparently hepatitis b is a big problem for asians:

http://liver.stanford.edu/Education/faq.html

My first reaction was that large groups of people in ads need to be largely white with a smaller percentage of asians, blacks, and latinos. Seriously, there was one set in a hospital that had me defensively thinking "white people can be doctors too."


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:15 PM
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Why was rice a profitable export good? Were the English crazy for it?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:16 PM
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large groups of people in ads need to be largely white with a smaller percentage of asians, blacks, and latinos

There are rules about this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:22 PM
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Why was rice a profitable export good? Were the English crazy for it?

Hm, I don't recall what the book says about this. It must have mentioned it. I think they were still largely focused on supplying food to the Caribbean, and rice may have been well-suited for that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:25 PM
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Bad job report, dying birds drenched in oil, Obama flailing at Coast and polls.

Look over there! A Stupid Republican!


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:29 PM
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Bad job report, dying birds drenched in oil, Obama flailing at Coast and polls

...and blood in the streets will make it all better, right?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 3:34 PM
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Also, does the link in 46 go where you want it to, Stanley?

Looking at the html, it's probably a URL that changes each day to link to that day's front page. You might have an old one cached?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 4:23 PM
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Actually, I think leading a battalion of sikhs would be pretty cool, them being one of the warrior sects, and all.

This is probably going to be another one of those anecdotes where y'all are all like, "That Knecht, there he goes spinnin' tall tales again," but I swear on a stack of Korans it's true.

In the immediate aftermath of 9-11, I was on a business trip with a colleague who is Sikh. Said colleague was going to get some food when he was approached by Duane "Dog" Chapman, aka "Dog, the Bounty Hunter". Mind you, no one had heard of Dog in those days, this being before his TV debut. Dog tells my colleague that the government has just announced a $10M reward for the capture of Osama Bin Laden, and said he wanted to go to Afghanistan to find Osama and bring him to justice, and would my colleague like to go along. "I need someone who can speak their language," he explained.

My colleague mumbled something noncommital, whereupon Dog gave him a business card and told him to think about it. I think he still has the business card.



Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 4:36 PM
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Too funny. What could possibly go wrong? Does your friend even speak Pashto or Urdu? Or did the negotiations not get that far?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 4:44 PM
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I'm a bit conflicted about this Haley thing. On one hand, anything that could wound a Republican in a general election makes me happy. On the other hand, I want it to become generally accepted that female politicians can get away with hooking up with lots of random dudes, as it increases my chances of getting it on with a prominent female politician someday.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 4:49 PM
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as it increases my chances of getting it on with a prominent female politician someday.

By the time she is prominent, she will likely be une femme d'une certain age. Which may or may not float your boat.

I remember being offended at the portrayal of such a May/ December pairing in this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094082/

It seemed obvious that the male lobbyist was only flirting with the older female Senator in a playfull way, until he really needed her vote. It squicked me, and not because she was older.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 4:58 PM
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Does your friend even speak Pashto or Urdu?

No, he's Canadian. But he wears a turban, so, you know.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 5:01 PM
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Heh. Good thing Dog didn't Shanghai him then.

I can see the reality show now. " Dog Bites Manjit"


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 5:19 PM
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65: There's a significant Sikh population in inland BC. Apparently they make frightening truck drivers.


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 5:26 PM
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67: Come to think of it, this guy was a hella bad driver.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 5:50 PM
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So is this the right thread for ragging on South Carolina? One time in the late 80's, I got drunk on Jim Beam with a couple of police officers from Greenwood, SC (it's a long story). Once sufficiently liquored up, they started dropping the n-word right and left. Then the wife or sister of one of them said "[Knecht]-y, you shoulda been here last night, we had our *robes* on."

Seeing from my perplexed look that I had no idea what she was talking about, she opened a drawer and revealed a bunch of Klan robes. My mouth must have dropped open, because she gleefully picked up a hood out of the pile to show me. These were actual police officers paid by tax dollars to protect the public; I saw their badges and guns.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 6:11 PM
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64: Well, I'll be that age too at some point in the future, so let's hope she'd be giving my vessel some buoyancy.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 8:38 PM
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And maybe it's a sign that utilitarianism has corrupted my mind, but even now the idea of sexually satisfying elderly benefactresses of humanity resonates with me.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 9:33 PM
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I'm trying to think whether anything good, ever, has come from South Carolina.

The Charleston!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:42 PM
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72: That's great. At the show I was at tonight, the band kept sending members into the crowd to dance it up, and it was great fun, with everyone just doing friendly free-styling things. More friendly than a mosh pit but more interactive than that hippy-twirl-around thing.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:50 PM
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The Charleston Chew!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:51 PM
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Charles ton Charge!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:52 PM
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Of our days / Of our nights.

Amen.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:53 PM
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(Or is it And our nights. Crap.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 10:54 PM
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Not from South Carolina, but this one's for you, Stanley.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 11:32 PM
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78: Love it. In fact, a friend was at a show in Bumfuck, Virginia, about a year ago and told me all about this crazy drummer who went nutterballs, including a session of coke that was clearly visible from the audience's perspective.

Friend e-mailed me a week ago: "THIS IS THE GUY!"


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 4-10 11:46 PM
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Dear Helen Thomas, why must you give my in-laws ammunition?

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Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 1:42 AM
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the possibility of the oil plume reaching bluffton s.c. is making me sick to my stomach too. not that I don't care about the gulf coast, but this is personal. there's this little protected area in the computer model which we fall into, but that's not hugely comforting. we have oyster beds out front that my grandfather seeded, we have crab traps and shrimp nets, dolphins that live in the river, bald eagles nesting nearby. that's my favorite place in the whole world right there. we donated the development rights for a conservation easement but have permission to build one more house on the property; my brother and I are planning to live there side by side when we retire. god but I want to cap some BP oil execs. I imagine families along the gulf coast going out crabbing at their favorite spot one last time and it just makes me cry.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 3:52 AM
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Sounds like a beautiful spot, Alameda. I hope the oil doesnt make it there.

It is heartbreaking to think about how badly this is going to impact people in the gulf and elsewhere.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 5:14 AM
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the possibility of the oil plume reaching bluffton s.c.

We usually go down to Hilton Head every summer around the 4th because we have a free place to stay, but a trip just wasn't in the budget this year. Pepper's Porch in Bluffton is the one place we always eat at when we're there. The latest models I've seen show the oil sliming the coast up to Cape Hatteras before heading out across the Atlantic, and it really does just break my heart to think about it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 6:09 AM
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From the NYTimes I learn that Aziz Ansari is from SC.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 9:11 AM
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81: I hope your spot is spared. It is just sick-making to think of the widespread devastation.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 9:59 AM
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Alameida, I hope your spot is spared too.

I am, very strangely, a free-ride guest at this super bizarre secret corporate corporate executive conference in Arizona (my mother made me swear to keep my passport on me at all times) and there are a lot of verge-of-retiring or just retired executives from all over the country, places that I don't normally have any connection to. I had a delightful dinner and breakfast with a semi-retired power couple from North Carolina (the husband was thrilled to tell us about the time he interviewed Faulkner in college) and they practically teared up when they saw the oil spill had reached Florida and Pensacola beach. They kept telling me what a beautiful beach it was and I was suddenly filled with this irrational rage about all the beautiful places I never got to see before they were damafed. It was not unlike my first, bizarre reaction when the twin towers fell: goddammit, I never got to go see them. It made me very broody during the morning sessions with all these old, powerful people who had already done so much of their sight-seeing.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 12:16 PM
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Wait, when did ironic racism become funny here?

I mean, ig uess it was a long time ago because self-deprecation gets a pass, but i thought when the feminists took over it stopped.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 12:25 PM
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Also Pink Anderson, Gary Davis, and Gershwin's Porgy and Bess (much of which he wrote at Folly Beach), Jesse Jackson, and Chris Rock in addition to everything else already mentioned.

but not nice enough or good enough to make up for Strom Thurmond.

Strom Thurmond's life was practically an exercise in all of South Carolina's worst habits and instincts. Naturally, this earned him a statue on the State House grounds.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 3:01 PM
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my step-dad's evil sister did a life-size statue of ol' strom for edgefield S.C. she made the design on his tie be subtle little swimming spermatozoa, got to give her some props for that.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 9:06 PM
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37: Good post. I knew all the information there but as always am impressed by your ability to capture complexity concisely.

As for rice, it's an incredibly labor intensive crop that can't be grown in Northern Europe, and the English did indeed pay good money for it. Given how much slave labor it took to produce rice, I really doubt that it was being fed to slaves in the Caribbean - though I realize that I don't actually know the markets for it. I should probably rectify that.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 06- 5-10 11:43 PM
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90: Thanks. And yeah, I remember that the extremely labor-intensive nature of rice was key to South Carolina's comparative advantage in growing it. I hadn't thought about climate, but that must have been part of it too. What I remain unsure about is why Europeans would have cared about rice in the first place. They had plenty of their own grain crops, after all.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:05 AM
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It wasn't just Europeans, I thought. Some of the slaves brought over were from rice-growing parts of Africa, and appear to have brought rice-cultivation knowledge with them.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:08 AM
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It's been a while since I've read anything about this, though. I don't think rice crops themselves were brought over except by the Europeans (that is, I don't think it was smuggled or carried by slaves). I remember Black Majority being a pretty good book about South Carolina. There's more recent environmental history-type work on rice, specifically.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:10 AM
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Interesting.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:18 AM
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Right, the slaves' knowledge of how to grow the rice was another aspect of the comparative advantage. The supply-side aspects of the rice trade seem pretty clear. What I'm wondering is who was buying it, and why.

The book in 48, the basis for the post in 37, probably talks about this, but it mostly focuses on an earlier period and doesn't discuss the rice much, IIRC. Plus it's been a long time since I read it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:20 AM
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Ok, here's part of it:

The principal demand for the Carolina rice crop was from Catholic Europe, with peak market-prices prevailing, during the period of Lent.(24)

Note 24 goes to this article in JSTOR.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:32 AM
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Interesting. Thanks.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:39 AM
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I remember reading that a foreman with good knowledge of how to cultivate rice would be worth $800 in 1850s money, so, a huge amount. the planters would completely leave things to the slaves during the summer sometimes, because they lacked protection against malaria. justice thomas is from around my area and he speaks gullah as a first language, kind of awesome.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 12:46 AM
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Rice became fashionable in Britain because things "Indian" became cool as the Raj became a major status thing from the mid-18th century. I'm guessing it was cheaper to import from America than all the way round the Cape.

It was grown in southern Europe since the period of Arab rule in Spain and Sicily, but apparently cultivation was restricted because in the early modern period it was believed that wet cultivation encouraged malaria. They might have been right about that.


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having had the opportunity to sample many varieties of rice, I can say with a clean conscience that carolina gold rice is the more delicious. well, or, maybe you form permanent associations with the food of your youth, that's possible too. but really, it has the most delicious aroma while cooking, and is incredible with just butter, salt and pepper. the most crucial weapon in my dad's cooking arsenal was the charleston rice cooker. that's not the exact one we had, the original company has gone out of business. I took the bottom half of the steamer from my grandmother's house after she died, because mine had worn through from years of use. I better hope my dad doesn't lurk at unfogged, or I will be in big trouble.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 7:54 AM
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This (from the website of a B&B on a former rice plantation) is a pretty detailed account of the history of rice cultivation in South Carolina and the Georgetown area in particular (but has no references). It includes the following:

During the Colonial period, Northern Europe, mainly Holland and the German states, imported as much as sixty-five percent of the rice exported from South Carolina and Georgia. Southern Europe, primarily Spain and Portugal, imported less rice, only seventeen percent of the crop. Shipments to the West Indies accounted for the remaining eighteen percent. Generally, English consumers eschewed rice and remained dependent upon their staple of wheaten bread. France banned the importation of North American rice, and, like the Spanish, relied primarily upon cheaper rice from Turkey and Brazil. Thus, the largest market for the Carolina planters was Northern Europe. In those regions, people and livestock ate rice during the winter when peas were scarce and barley was unavailable. To the poor, rice was a cheap alternative to other cereal products and local foods. Rice also supplemented bread and even meat in ordinary people's diet.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 8:28 AM
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Link for article in 101.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 8:30 AM
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A couple of other tidbits from searching around:

1) After Oglethorpe returns to England, Georgia as basically an expansion of South Carolina driven by the potential for a rice economy (original Georgia charter banned slavery 1735-1750--the subsequent one limited the number of slaves).

The lifting of the Trustees' ban opened the way for Carolina planters to fulfill the dream of expanding their slave-based rice economy into the Georgia Lowcountry. The planters and their slaves flooded into Georgia and soon dominated the colony's government. In 1755 they replaced the slave code agreed to by the Trustees with one that was virtually identical to South Carolina's.
2) For a while, indigo and rice cultivation complemented each other:
"But I cannot leave this subject without observing how conveniently and profitably, as to the charge of labour, both indigo and rice may be managed by the same persons; for the labour attending indigo being over in the summer months, those who were employed in it may afterwards manufacture rice in the ensuing part of the year, when it becomes most laborious; and after doing all this they will have some time to spare for sawing lumber, and making hogshead and other staves to supply the Sugar Colonies."
--James Glen, "A Description of South Carolina,"
in Chapman J. Milling (ed.), Colonial South Carolina: Two Contemporary Descriptions by Governor James Glen and Doctor George Milligen-Johnston (South Carolina Sesquicentennial Series, No. I [Columbia, S.C.: 1951])


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 6-10 8:48 AM
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Alameida is from the slow country? Who'd a thunk it. I spent some time in Beaufort, SC and still have friends there.


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 5:28 PM
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