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As arguments for the existence of God go, it's at least better than "I was walking in the rain and my boot had a hole and my socks stayed dry." Which is not fictitious.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:44 AM
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I argued for the existence of God?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:47 AM
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I'm glad your house didn't explode, Heebie.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:02 AM
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Maybe because direct lighting shows up stuff like schmutz and worn-out carpet more? Guessing. Or maybe it's more broadly from an aesthetic investment in indirect lighting. My design-oriented friends get really het up about Direct Lighting and Why You Should Never Have It.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:11 AM
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Usually in hotels there's a switch somewhere near the bed which turn all the lights on and off. The trick is to find it.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:13 AM
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I'm glad your house didn't blow-up. Also, buy a CO detector with an alarm. I think they sound if there is gas in the house.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:15 AM
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Overhead lighting is never flattering, so it would reduce the number of repeat hotel liaisons. And at the lower end of the market, I suspect maybe hotel developers save money by not having to pay to have overhead lights wired in.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:16 AM
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I prefer my universe to be predictable and orderly, thanks.

ME TOO!


Posted by: OPINIONATED TONY HAYWARD | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:31 AM
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Hawaiian Punch's swim class

Snap your hips, little HP!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:35 AM
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Found a discussion of the hotel overhead light situation on a Straight Dope message board and one fellow who said he worked at a hotel provided this response after asking his manager who he said had been in the hotel business for ages (all read it on the Internet caveats apply, of course).

The simple answer is that hotels/motels are attempting to recreate the atmosphere of "home" in each room. Specifically, the living room, which in most houses and apartments has no built-in overhead lighting. Using multiple floor and table lamps allows either the hotel or the guest to move the lighting around to (theoretically) create the desired mood/atmosphere.
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I mentioned some of the guesses made by posters here, such as poured-concrete construction making it difficult to wire the ceilings, and liability/difficulty issues of sending people up ladders to change lightbulbs, and she said that those are also considerations, but the primary reason is still "atmosphere".

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:37 AM
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So you know, like your living room, the one with the bed in the middle of it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:38 AM
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Specifically, the living room, which in most houses and apartments has no built-in overhead lighting.

That's a bit 70s, isn't it?


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:40 AM
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Specifically, the living room, which in most houses and apartments has no built-in overhead lighting.

What? I've never been in a house that didn't have overhead lighting in the living room. Ever. Well, apart from a couple of really really old ones that were built many centuries before Mr Swan* invented the light-bulb.


* et al


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:44 AM
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12 to 11.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:47 AM
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When we moved from a 100-year-old house (with retrofitted overhead lighting) to a 1990s-built house, we were baffled for awhile by the presence of switches but no overhead lights. Every room had a magic outlet tied to a switch (the idea being: that's where you plug in a lamp), so you had to experiment to find it. We found this very strange at the time.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:47 AM
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ttaM, moody wall lights (concealed, even) were briefly fashionable when I was a kid. you'd have missed the moment if you'd gone for a piss.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:48 AM
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I'm now in my second place in a row with no overhead lighting in living room or bedrooms. One built in 1929 (but I image redone since then), one built in 1985.


Posted by: DonBoy | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:49 AM
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Hmm, this may be country-specific, the two houses I've owned plus the one I grew up in did not, nor do my parent's or sister's houses. Also see this ask metafilter thread, in which the same paragraph I quoted appears.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:50 AM
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My house (built in 1927) has no overhead lighting in the living room. But no built-in overhead lighting in the living room in "most houses and apartments"? That sounds wrong to me.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:55 AM
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18: Same here. Houses/apartment buildings built in 1820, 1890s, 1915, 1920s, 1940, so I can't speak to modern U.S. construction.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:57 AM
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Heebie, does your stove not have a thermocouple that automatically shuts off the flow of gas to a cold burner? If not, I would advise looking into having them retrofitted. If that's not possible, you would be a lot safer upgrading to a more modern gas stove that has a this fail-safe feature.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:58 AM
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The room I'm in right now is both a living room and has overhead lighting.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:01 AM
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The two houses I spent most of my childhood in, standard '70s-'80s Western U.S. suburban, had overhead lighting in every room but the living room. That's what distinguished the living room as classy.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:02 AM
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2: No.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:03 AM
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Candidly, I'm stumped by heebie's question. I've always wondered the same thing myself.

I am sceptical that it is purely a question of aesthetics, because the cheapest motel chains also do not have ceiling lighting. My guess is that economics plays a role. One possibility: building codes generally prohibit having light fixtures and outlets on the same circuit. So by eliminating overhead light fixtures, you save on wiring. OTOH, bathrooms generally have light fixtures rather than lamps (again, I'm sure this is a building code issue; bathroom and kitchen light switches have specific safety requirements), so I'm not completely persuaded by my own theory.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:03 AM
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Mind you this place is a screamingly shonky flat, so don't take that as anything but cheapness.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:04 AM
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Perhaps at some level you were aware that you had a reason to return to the house, and your brain supplied a pillow-desire to explain this feeling.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:07 AM
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My current 1940s-built house has overhead fixtures in all the rooms and on the porches. By accident or by design, the decorative glass bowl around the lightbulb doubles as an insect trap-'n'-kill chamber.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:07 AM
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Perhaps at some level you were aware that you had a reason to return to the house, and your brain supplied a pillow-desire to explain this feeling.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:07 AM
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I don't know why I doubled up there, but there may yet be a reason.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:09 AM
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Another possible economic explanation: ceiling light fixtures (whether recessed or exposed) have a cost in ceiling height, and hence drive up construction costs. A lot of hotel rooms have a lower ceiling over a portion of the room (often by the entrance or bathroom) in order to accommodate pipes and ducts. This would suggest that the height of the floors is kept to the minimum required to comply with applicable codes.


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:10 AM
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22: I am suspecting to the extent it exists, it is mostly a US phenomenon (the living room without overhead lights, no idea about hotels)--an informal survey of a few cow-orkers has yielded no overhead living room lights.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:11 AM
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31. Yes. Hotel developers typically reduce construction costs by using the smallest slab-to-slab heights they think their guests will stand, which means that then putting in a drop ceiling would render a room oppressive (and putting wiring inside the concrete slab would just give back a chunk of the savings).


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:16 AM
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32: No overhead lights in the living room of my ancestral home, either. Nor can I remember any in friends houses, except for those friends who lived in very new, very mod homes that had skylights and non-(multi-?)directional track lighting.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:18 AM
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I can't believe noone else has ranted about overhead lights. They really are fucking evil. If you can save 1o$ and also not make your rooms look like warehouse sections, so much the bette.r


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:20 AM
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I would guess that Heebie has learned to ignore a mild compulsion to check on her house after she has left, leaving her mind no choice but to sublimate that desire.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:20 AM
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also, how does one leave the gas on?

the only time i have done that, was when my kettle was dying, and so i didn't hear a whistle, so i let the thing heat up quite a bit. obviously it wasn't a danger, since something hot on a stove isn't actually in a place to start a fire. though it did waste a bit of gas.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:21 AM
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BTW, heebie can thank the oppressive hand of Big Government (and the children of New London, TX) that she was able to detect the dangerous buildup of gas.


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:21 AM
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I was raised in a 1970's house and currently live in another one. Neither had overhead lights in the living room. My current place had no overhead lights in the bedrooms until I got annoyed at the dim and had them put in.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:23 AM
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I don't think I've ever lived in a house or apartment with overhead lighting in the living room. One place I stayed for a few weeks had it. It's possible that the dorm I lived in my last two years of college did, but I don't remember for sure.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:27 AM
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40: All of my apartments had no overhead lighting in the living room. Most of them didn't have overhead lights anywhere but the kitchen and bathroom. I'd assumed that was because I was staying in cheap apartments.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:29 AM
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My point, of course, is that it may not have been a whimsical decision, and Heebie's universe is safe. And she should look into KR's advice in 21.
I don't think Moby is right in 6: I think CO detectors, always a good idea, are more specific than that.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:38 AM
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I am open to hocus-pocus explanations that allow my Godlike subconscious to exercise control over scary situations.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:39 AM
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Exactly!


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:40 AM
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What you need is more data. Try to keep track of the number of times you think about pillows each day, and then when you get home check the gas.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:45 AM
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43: my Godlike subconscious

Being equipped with really, really negligent subconciouses, when we leave for a trip we drive slowly around a 1/4 mile loop road in a nearby park concentrating on what we might have left behind or forgotten to do. This went from a guideline to a rule* after we had to turnaround an hour into a trip to New York City when we realized that the cat had not been adequately provided for and anyone who might reasonably have taken care of the oversight was unavailable.

*And "drive around the park" has become a family saying for double-checking or making sure of something.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:00 AM
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I don't think Moby is right in 6: I think CO detectors, always a good idea, are more specific than that.

Probably. I'm kind of a CO detector booster as my parents had a furnace issue that would have killed them if they didn't have a CO detector and they slept in the basement. (Since they don't sleep in the basement, it probably wasn't that dangerous, but it could have gotten them.)


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:06 AM
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One possibility: building codes generally prohibit having light fixtures and outlets on the same circuit.

And yet one plugs one's lamps into outlets?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:09 AM
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Also, no house is safe without a small fire extinguisher purchased during the Clinton administration, never serviced, and located in some ill-defined spot behind something heavy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:10 AM
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And for emergency supplies, you should have a case of Horizon Chocolate Milk (no refrigeration needed), a jug of distilled water for the iron/post-flood drinking, six cans of baked beans, and a candle that smells like "pumpkin spice."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:17 AM
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46: But then leaving the gas on is the kind of thing likely to remain undiscovered even by concentrating for a minute (but we go back for some reason nearly half the time).

And another semi-related anecdote: The day we moved into a new house with an electric stove (1960), the place nearly burnt down when a paper bag was left on the stove-top where a burner had not been turned all the way off.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:19 AM
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49: Also, no house is safe without a small fire extinguisher purchased during the Clinton administration, never serviced, and located in some ill-defined spot behind something heavy.

We actually used ours recently. My son ineffectively, merely knocking the light aluminum pot over and splashing the burning oil inside hither and yon, while I had more success in extinguishing it after that. But turns out you will want to have all dishes and pots and pans either in the dishwasher or put away in cabinets before doing this yourself.

For $5 I'll tell you about more domestic adventures in the Stormcrow family.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:56 AM
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Did I mention that I recently found five dollars?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:04 AM
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56: In Wisconsin??


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:08 AM
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I once set my napkin and part of a table on fire in a bar by carelessly tossing my napkin onto a little cocktail candle. The fellow who runs the place just laughed and said it happened fairly regularly.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:08 AM
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52, 55: Are you related to SEK, by any chance?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:08 AM
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Our apartment has overhead lighting in all the rooms, including hilariously tacky chandeliers in the entryway, living room, my office, Tweety's office, and the bedroom. The one in the living room is especially great; it has drippy-icicle-looking clear plastic pieces hung all over it.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:16 AM
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I was once at a wedding where the caterers (at the back of the room) overturned a spirit stove and set light to the table cloths while the starring roles were obliviously making speeches at the front of the room. People near the fire calmly poured their beer on it, and stomped it a bit, and the bride and groom didn't realise anything had happened until it was time for the disco.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:26 AM
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didn't realise anything had happened until it was time for the disco.

The smoke had besooted the disco ball?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:32 AM
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I once set a school on fire using the power of my Godlike subconscious.


Posted by: OPINIONATED CARRIE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:38 AM
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62: No, someone got overexcited when they saw the fire and tried to hang the bloody DJ.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:38 AM
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Disco inferno!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:39 AM
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I wonder, if one can't get enough, does one HAVE to self destruct?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:41 AM
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Also, let me know if you need any water to deal with that whole "the roof is on fire" situation.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:42 AM
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The roof? That motherfucker.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:46 AM
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I SAID "BUD LIGHT".


Posted by: OPINIONATED ROOF ON FIRE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:48 AM
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I'm a big fan of Greenwald generally, but I thought this post was particularly amusing for its gratuitous sexual innuendos. That's so far afield from his customary hyper-seriousness that for a bit, I wasn't sure it was intentional.

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Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 12:53 PM
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Hmmm. . . I must admit to having an almost compulsive dislike for standard overhead lights. Some appropriate spot lighting on the ceiling is maybe ok, but boring overhead chandelier lights? ICK! Of course, this is a constant battle in my 100 year old falling apart rowhouse, because it is wired completely half assed. Hubby always turns on the ceiling lights. And I always follow him around turning on lamps, and turning off overhead lights.
Of course, I feel like he does it to annoy me, or maybe because he is lazy. But really, it is because he doesn't actually particularly care about lighting.


Posted by: Elizamuqin | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 12:56 PM
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'spirit stove' sounds like something used in the inquisition


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 1:17 PM
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This needs a Mitford. Living rooms have track lighting, dining rooms have an attempt at a chandelier, parlors have gasolier-type chandeliers or table lamps, libraries have tall narrow windows and whatever lighting replaces them at night; and whatever is standard in hotels and motels is probably non-U by dint of trying to be U on the cheap.

What do designers have against overhead lighting?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 2:36 PM
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We have ceiling fans with globes. Sometimes when I am dusting or assembling or whatever I want a lot of light.

We mostly use table lamps and indirect. In this room, for computer and tv-watching I use a 20 watt bulb in a lamp turned against the wall. I have always vastly preferred reflected, diffuse light when inside. Gooseneck desk lamps for reading, when I used to read books.

Last year I bought a headband to work in the attic with idunniknow, halogen? LCD? 5 very bright bluewhite pimples powered by 5 AAAs. That's a little geeky to wear on neighborhood nightwalks or around the house I suppose.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 2:52 PM
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What's a Mitford?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 2:55 PM
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What's a Mitford

Catching a baseball?

Taking something hot out of the oven?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 2:57 PM
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I have to say I like light. Lots of it, unless I'm trying to sleep or persuade somebody to get it on. And the best way to get lots of light is overhead. You can read by it, eat by it, cook by it, clean by it. Good stuff, light.


Posted by: OFE | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 2:58 PM
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76: Rivers and streams, mostly. Sometimes a creek.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:06 PM
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unless I'm trying to sleep or persuade somebody to get it on or form complete sentences while in the presence of breasts.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:08 PM
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77: I, on the other hand, prefer to live in a cave. We have small table lamps in the living room, and keep the overhead lights off -- little pools of light where you actually need to read, and darkness otherwise. I like it, but every so often someone will come over unexpectedly, and I'll realize we're weird.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:12 PM
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Buck gets too distracted?


Posted by: Tassled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:17 PM
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Oh, I'm with 77. I turn all my lights on when I get up, and that's it for the day. Periodically I feel slightly guilty because we're supposed to be turning our lights off, aren't we, but then I figure that's what low energy bulbs are for. I do have an overhead light in my living room - and am amazed at all these US houses that don't - but haven't used it for years because the bulb went and it's really awkward to replace. There are wall lights though. I like the idea of lamps, but in practice in other people's houses I just get annoyed with them because they get in the way.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:17 PM
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My apartment has overhead lights in every room. I think the building was originally built in the 1920s or so, but it was converted into apartments more recently.

My mom's house, built in 1951, has a combined living/dining room, with an overhead light at the dining room end and none at the living room end. Overhead lights in all the other rooms.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:28 PM
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when we leave for a trip we drive slowly around a 1/4 mile loop road in a nearby park concentrating on what we might have left behind or forgotten to do

Might I suggest an exciting new innovation: the written list.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:51 PM
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There are 2 kinds of people in the world:

I . . . prefer to live in a cave.

Good stuff, light.

The latter are correct.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 3:54 PM
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The Mitfords! Irresistibly awfully sure of social codes.

Headlamps are efficient and effective, except that you get used to never facing your sweetie directly.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 4:06 PM
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86: At least not when you've got your highbeams on.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 6:54 PM
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62: No, someone got overexcited when they saw the fire and tried to hang the bloody DJ.

Dammit, M/tch, this says nothing to me about my life!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:29 PM
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Some hotel room lamps near the bed(s) are set up so that if there's just one bed, they can be swung out to light over each side of the bed, and if there are two beds, they can be swung in so that they light the space between the beds. Or something like that; it's been years since I noticed this at some place I was staying. But it did seem clear that the lamps were on arms to make it possible to switch rooms from single to double bedded or vice versa.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:42 PM
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Anyhoo, to put this on the right thread:

I guessed that a Mitford was some kind of English mitzvah. Not too far off, I suppose.

My 99-year-old house, and every place like it in the neighborhood I can think of, has ceiling fixtures in every room but the bath, all original wiring. Houses just a few years older often have their original gas plumbing (now out of service).

And yes, it's knob and tube, which is just fine as long as it's left alone, but which goes all crumbly crumbly if you bend it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:45 PM
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For some reason the name "Jessica Mitford" is what I immediately associate with the name "Mitford" but looking at wikipedia I have no idea where I would have heard of her. Maybe the death book.

But you know where they have famous books about death? In Wisconsin.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:50 PM
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I was just re-reading this thread after trying to explain it to somebody earlier this evening, and let me just say that it has really held up to the test of time. Or as much of a test as four years--which is, like, 28 in blog years!--provides.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 7:51 PM
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What do designers have against overhead lighting?

I think the idea is that overhead lighting is too harsh and unflattering (both to the room and to the people in it), and also that the fixtures are often tacky or ugly. All of which is often true. But it's also often useful to have that light, of course.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:01 PM
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I have a special hat that turns the sun's rays into an equivalent of a lamp on my shoulder.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:03 PM
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Is that the original Fuck You, Clown thread? Never read that one, anyway.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:06 PM
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|| This article was going ok, more or less and then:

Researchers say there is an evolutionary rationale for the pressure this barrage puts on the brain. The lower-brain functions alert humans to danger, like a nearby lion, overriding goals like building a hut. In the modern world, the chime of incoming e-mail can override the goal of writing a business plan or playing catch with the children.

It's not the evolutionary psych that gets me, so much as the imagining the world of early humans as if it were man vs. lion, with no social organization as mediation. |>


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:08 PM
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Yes, and it remains very entertaining.


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96: I resent the implication that people no longer need fear a nearby lion.


Posted by: Opinionated Zoo Keeper | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:12 PM
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I resent nearby lions.


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man vs. lion, with no social organization as mediation

Lion don't need organizing
M/tch a freestyle rhyme uprisin
Mediation is a crutch
M/tch'll smoke you like he's dutch
fuck you, clown


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:20 PM
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99: Don't want to die twice?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:22 PM
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Sneezing fit! One can never read enough of the archives, it seems.


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84: Might I suggest an exciting new innovation: the written list.

Unpossible (or incomplete, at least).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:29 PM
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when we realized that the cat had not been adequately provided for and anyone

Once when I was a kid, we were 50 miles away from Grandma's house before anyone realized that we had forgotten the dog. (Boy, I learned some new words that day!)

<mcmanus> (Tonight I'm watching a PBS documentary on Helen of Troy and the Bronze age. Some of it seems maybe just a little iffy, but I've totally fallen in love with Bettany Hughes.)</mcmanus>


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:29 PM
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For some reason the name "Jessica Mitford" is what I immediately associate with the name "Mitford" but looking at wikipedia I have no idea where I would have heard of her.

You should all go read Hons and Rebels if you haven't already.

And I'm only a hundred pages into it but that Henrietta Lacks book everyone has been talking about (not here, apparently) is pretty fantastic.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:33 PM
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I saw a few reviews of the Lacks book and it did sound pretty great.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:38 PM
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Mitford of course reminds me of the Milford & Clarion SF writers residential workshops

104:Damn. I don't check PBS enough. a) because my scrolling patterns never hover way down there at that end of the listings (or at their digital or HD listings), and b) because the pledge breaks make me crazy. But this household does use the info channels to kill time, and PBS is still a notch above National Geographic or History-Int'l. Maybe I will look for this.

Currently reading a Michael Price book on the collective unconsciousness of Ancient Egypt. Archetypes and individuation, feels weird to roll in Jung in the 21st Century.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:40 PM
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90.2: Then a Bar Mitford is making a particularly fine martini and thereby becoming a man? And a Bat Mitford must have something to do with the young ladies' cricket team...

I had hoped to take this back into nipular territory somehow since I somehow missed contributing to that internet-breaking thread, but 'twas not to be.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:44 PM
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Once when I was a kid, we were only a few miles away from the gas station where we had last stopped before anyone realized we had forgotten one of the children. It wasn't my parents, though, it was an aunt and uncle who had forgotten one of my cousins. Family drama!


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:44 PM
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109: In public places some officious person
was certain to point out that it was
in danger of being left behind.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 8:56 PM
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This is what I watched last night, Sundance On Demand. A transgendered woman returns to her hometown in Montana for her 15 HS reunion (star quarterback) to try to reconcile with her slightly older (same class year) accident-brain-damaged brother. Interesting for the way she worked to reconcile with her past...apparently most don't.

Her HS friends could have cared less and adjusted immediately, as if it was the same person in different outfits. That feels a little wrong. Her older brother felt like she had taken his past from him.

There are sidetrips involving Orson Welles and Rita Hayworth amd Split.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:14 PM
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realized we had forgotten one of the children.

And then you all got back from France, and it turned out all the neighbors' homes had been burglarized. But not yours!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:16 PM
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I feel like lion should get a dieresis around here so as not to be pronounced, I don't know, like a French city almost. And then that feeling produces in my head an unexpressed, merely potential LOLcat. Which I'm dying to call a Schrodinger's LOLcat but it isn't quite I guess.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:20 PM
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Schrödinger's.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:25 PM
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I prefer my universe to be predictable and orderly, thanks.

"For a moment, the sensation of coolness and the moisture were blessed relief. Then, as his planet killed him, it occurred to Kynes that his father and all the other scientists were wrong, that the most persistent principles of the universe were accident and error."
"Even the hawks could appreciate these facts."

F. Herbert, Dune


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:25 PM
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Schrödinger's.

And you let Her HS friends could have cared less go?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:26 PM
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On the veld, girding your lions made them seem more intimidating, but inhibited their movement.


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104: Once when I was a kid, we were 50 miles away from Grandma's house before anyone realized that we had forgotten the dog. (Boy, I learned some new words that day!)

Once when I was a kid, we were 2 days out of Syracuse when we struck a shoal. (Boy, I scarcely thought we'd get a drink till we got to Buffalo!)


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:30 PM
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Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:30 PM
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Now if I could type an umlaut on my keyboard, don't you think I'd have typed a dieresis just before? Conventional "oe" for "ö" (cut and pasted) always feels cheap somehow, like a Crackerjacks tattoo, so I bailed. Aber verstehe ich ganz klar dass sie sind verschiedene, o und ö.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:37 PM
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&ouml; -> ö and likewise for other letters in place of the "o", for instance &Euml; -> Ë.

NOW YOU KNOW.


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116: I could care less about "care less". My artisanal pedantry is quite selective and wielded only in situations like making stupid jokes about the potential for near self-referentiality in other people's comments.


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116:ooops

Did we decide that had become idiomatic? I forget.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:41 PM
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121: Knowledge is responsibility.


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112: God, I only wish we had been in France. But we were in Prince Edward Island, actually. My cousins were living in New Brunswick (my uncle worked for a mine, and had been assigned there for a few years), and we drove down east to see them (a good 3 to 4 days' drive, as I recall), and then took the ferry to P.E.I. A man on the boat played the fiddle, and then another man picked me up by the waist and started dancing, and apparently expected me to know the steps to some sort of jig. All of the grownups (or so it seems in retrospect, but that's probably not accurate) just laughed at my reticence, and called out words of encouragement ("Ah, go on now!"), which made me feel as though I had just failed a test, the significance of which I could not quite fathom. That was another world, truly; I guess I was about six years old at the time.

P.E.I. really does have red soil. Best potatoes in the world, and no exaggeration.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:51 PM
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my reticence

You were reluctant to talk about the jig?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:55 PM
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100: Okay FINE, Sifu. I'll let you be in my posse. Geez.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls, L/on | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:58 PM
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My cousins were living in New Brunswick

Oh, that New Brunswick.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 9:59 PM
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P.E.I. really does have red soil.

And even reddish beaches!


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:03 PM
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Liön.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:03 PM
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which made me feel as though I had just failed a test, the significance of which I could not quite fathom.

You saw mankind raising its hand in a significant gesture which you didn't understand?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:04 PM
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wtg smearcase!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:04 PM
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Smeärcase.


Posted by: M/tch M/ll | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:06 PM
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128: Yeah, that New Brunswick. Canada's only officially bilingual province, and the original source (no, don't let anyone in Pointe-Gatineau tell you otherwise) of poutine, which is Canada's gift to world cuisine.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:07 PM
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Thänks, &c.


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133: M/tch achieved singularity!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:08 PM
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131: Then as now: yes, of course. You know that gesture?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:11 PM
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No, but I've heard of it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:18 PM
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A lion thread? What are the odds?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:42 PM
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Get ready to ride the Lion to Zion!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 10:59 PM
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The odds of an atlatl thread are surprisingly good.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:01 PM
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We were coming off the plane in SF from Hong Kong when a guy in front of us suddenly clapped his hand his forehead and exclaimed "My God, the kids!" before turning back. Could have been jetlag I suppose.


Posted by: Herr Torquewrench | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:40 PM
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Later that same trip (though probably not the same day that my cousin was lost), my father and my uncle went out deep-sea fishing on a "commercial" (well, more or less, I guess, though "hopeful of a small profit" might be a more accurate designation) fishing boat run by the Court Bros. (or was it the McCourt Bros.? I honestly can't remember, I was only about six years old at the time). "So, how many of you are there, then?" asked my father. "Well, now," answered Eamon Court (or perhaps McCourt?), the eldest known brother of the crew, with an apparent reluctance to commit to anything solid, "I'd guess there were five of us last time we sat down to supper."

You could lose a family member in Prince Edward Island, by all accounts I've ever heard, though it's really quite a small place, after all.

Then my aunt took us to Charlottetown to see the musical of "Anne of Green Gables," and we cried like babies when Matthew died.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 06- 7-10 11:43 PM
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I once watched the van carrying the people I was with start to drive off from a rest area along I-5, somewhere north of the turn off to 505, without me. I watched them stop and turn around, too. I probably had enough change on me for a phone call.


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I went to a wedding in rural PEI a few years ago. One of the most beautiful places I've ever been. On the way back fro the reception to the motel, my (drunk) friend drove into a ditch, a nice farmer helped us pull the car out, and my tuxedo was covered in red clay. I also ate a whole bunch of the best mussels and potatoes I've ever had. And then I found five loonies.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06- 8-10 1:09 AM
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imagining the world of early humans as if it were man vs. lion, with no social organization as mediation.

"Excuse me, I don't believe we've met. GRRRAAAAARRRRRHHHH."


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31 and 33: Providence, RI has a great hotel that was originally an unfinished Masonic lodge from the 30's. I don't think that it has overhead lighting, but the ceilings are pretty high--not just the ones in the lobby etc.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 06- 8-10 4:06 AM
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I have sooo much overhead lighting. 13 ft ceilings. in fact, almost every overhead fixture must be doubled, because the fans are in the center of each room and then there is usually one pedant on either side. when I moved in I had to find singular spots for my existing chandeliers and lanterns. I bought two huge blue and green silk lanterns in VN when I was last there, but haven't gotten them hung yet.


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Do they strap the pedants to the fan blades? Sort of a whirling frenzy of correcting?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 8-10 6:03 AM
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Sort of a whirling frenzy of correcting?

What is the hypercorrectness of two Sufis tweeting?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 8-10 6:35 AM
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AIEEEEEEE THE HYPERCORRECTULARITY


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06- 8-10 6:49 AM
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sadly, they just mount them half-a-meter away from the tips of the fan blades, and in line with the center of the fan. I admit, it would be more exciting the other way.


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