Re: Surprisingly plausible

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I like the model for how a dinner party conversation blog comment thread should go:

(a) Narration, i.e., exchange of news

(b) Ratiocination, i.e., lively discussion of the diversity in judgment at the table

(c) Jest, i.e., play of wit


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:13 PM
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I am in favor of this.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:39 PM
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This being the dinner party principles.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:40 PM
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Sounds like Kant had nice parties, pity he's dead.

max
['It's the way, isn't it?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:41 PM
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Why don't we have him skinned and stuffed?


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:43 PM
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1:

a) Two-Headed Babies in Fallujah

b) Arthur Silber

c) IOZ

Tough call whether b or c was wittier and more fun.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:46 PM
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And I have described Kant as the Burgher King of Philosophy since early in my reading of the 2nd Crit.
No ascetic martinet he, good beer and sausage are his categorical imperatives.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 9:59 PM
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Why isn't there any of the wit of IOZ in the mainstream blogosphere? Anymore, since Billmon retired to the Koscage. I mean, really, why? IOZ bits

there is nothing on public radio so reeking of intellectually indolent self-satisfaction as the Terry Gross Radio Hour, which elevates mediocre art to rarefied genius and then subjects its creators to a crypto-Freudian machine-gunning ("So, like, you were molested by a priest in a lobster suit on a hot air balloon as a girl. Is that reflected in your new album?")
what really appealed to Allan Bloom about his perfect fantasy university was that it consisted of lush young men lying about in bed sheets, drinking wine from bowls, respitefully free of female troubles. (Quite unlike my own fantasy university, which consists of a blast crater.) Bloom's conservative adopters focus on his defense of the canon, which they've heard features several prominent People Not of Color, and ignore the seminaryish air with its soup├žon of priestly ephebophilia wafting over the carrel walls.

Goodnight


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:10 PM
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The number of guests should follow Chesterfield's rule

They named a rule after a couch?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:18 PM
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I assume he means Philip Stanhope, 4th Earl of Chesterfield.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:25 PM
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9: After the cigarette. Tastes great, smokes mild!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:25 PM
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That is a terrible Wikipedia article. I regret linking to it.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:29 PM
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I was hoping he meant the Canadian colloquialism .


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:32 PM
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I always half think that Johnson's dig about his letters was that they taught the morals of a dancing-master and the manners of a whore, rather than the other way around.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:32 PM
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A Chesterfield is a rather old-fashioned style of topcoat, too.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:41 PM
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Now that I've read all of it, it sounds a lot like what I'd have expected to be the generic model of Enlightenment intellectual sociability, but maybe a bit more strictly partitioned and codified. No doubt this means I don't know enough about the particularities of the various thinkers.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 10:41 PM
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I don't mean to be inappropriately reductive, but are eighteenth-century Prussians commonly thought to have been history's most convivial, jovial dining companions?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 11:00 PM
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Jane Austen took this sort of thing very seriously.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 11:01 PM
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17.---From what I've read, Kant was supposed to have been an unusually considerate, charming dinner host and faculty mentor.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 11:02 PM
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You're confusing Prussia with East Prussia.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 11:08 PM
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20 was to 17.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-24-10 11:09 PM
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ugh, replacing parties with chemicals with 'dinner parties' makes me especially sad to know that growing up is inevitable


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 12:05 AM
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fortunately, maturity isn't. it is merely communicable.


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 12:06 AM
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I believe that even at dinner parties chemicals are present.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 12:47 AM
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Why don't we have him skinned and stuffed?

They tried this with Bentham, but I don't think he'd have been much fun at dinner, even when he was alive. Probably better company now.

Totally agree with Kant on dinner parties (esp. the 'no dinner music' bit - sorry, didn't catch that, I can't hear you over the lite jazz on our host's expensive sound system.) What's Prussian about it is that he bothered to write it down.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 3:06 AM
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24: At the best ones, certainly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 6:24 AM
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Strictly banned: reading or thinking about philosophy while eating alone.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 6:58 AM
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20: I always used to confuse Austria and Australia. If they both had kangaroos, I don't know how I'd have ever learned the difference..


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 8:40 AM
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This is seriously true, though and so important. One of the things I disliked about college was that people didn't take the time to have dinner together--or, if they did, it was often very casual conversation designed to shut off one's brain completely. There was very little in the way of a lively exchange of ideas to nourish one's brain for intellectual work.
The intellectual work was all very solitary.

I'd love to recreate more consistent community. A friend of mine was trying to get a weekly dinner going. I think biweekly or monthly would be easier, since we don't all live within walking distance of each other.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 11:40 AM
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How many cock jokes would there be?


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 11:41 AM
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What's surprising about a moralist lecturing his colleagues on their work habits?
25 was good.


Posted by: persistently visible | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 12:17 PM
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The thing to watch out for at Kant's dinner parties is that he could drink you under the table.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 1:36 PM
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Unless Kant would then use a Sharpie to draw a penis on your forehead, that's a minor issue.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 3:28 PM
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One of the things I disliked about college was that people didn't take the time to have dinner together--or, if they did, it was often very casual conversation designed to shut off one's brain completely. There was very little in the way of a lively exchange of ideas to nourish one's brain for intellectual work.

Huh. My college experience was not like that. I had downright revelatory moments during dinner! It was awesome, I tell you what.

However, I lived in a group house of 12 people, and we tended to trail off to the dining hall in groups and sit together. Bunch of incestuous .. um. Well. Rather.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 4:21 PM
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30: like 30 goddamn cock jokes.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 4:51 PM
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I'd love to recreate more consistent community. A friend of mine was trying to get a weekly dinner going. I think biweekly or monthly would be easier, since we don't all live within walking distance of each other.

I hear that. But we're all so busy, and we live so far apart... If I manage to see my friends once a month, that's downright frequent. It's a shame.


Posted by: di kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-25-10 4:57 PM
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32: I fail. Kant was very rarely stable. Heidegger could think you under the table. And then draw a penis on your forehead.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-26-10 5:56 AM
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[I]t does allow one to find the middle way between the minimum healthy amount of thinking and the maximum healthy amount of thinking.

The same goes for drinking.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-26-10 9:18 AM
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38: Mmm. Daseineken.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-26-10 9:24 AM
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