Re: They're cute like puppies.

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Is it SFW?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:12 PM
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Yes.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:14 PM
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We care about this because why?


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:16 PM
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Sort of almost on topic! The judge hearing whether Prop 8 was constitutional will give his ruling tomorrow. Tomorrow might be a very good day.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:21 PM
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Eh, don't get me started on that case. What a monumental waste of resources to gratify the trial lawyer egos of David Boies and Ted Olson. The best we can hope for is that it somehow gets delayed before the SCOTUS or 9th Cir. can pick at it and issue a truly horrible ruling. But I'm sure Judge Walker will find Prop 8 unconstitutional, so, yay! For a few months!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:24 PM
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This is cute (especially some of the comments).


Posted by: Not Prince Hamlet | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 6:24 PM
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Had to look up Justin Bieber.

He's 16.

Reread the web site. Looked at the women.

I realize everything is permitted different for the oppressed classes, and I am somehow exercising my WM privilege by being queasy about leching on a boy that looks 13.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 7:12 PM
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But what about leching on a twenty-something woman who's dressed and styled like a 13 year-old boy? There's something a bit odd about embracing that persona, I do agree, but the women are by and large quite cute and knowing about it.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:00 PM
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Tell me the joke I am missing here.

The last kid with the ice cream cone definitely looks pre-HS. droolz droolllz droollllz!

This is not envy, I am seriously fucking squicked.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:01 PM
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But I don't think they're actually aping Justin Bieber. I think they're dressing slightly on the masculine side of androgynous teenagehood, and Justin Bieber also happens to be just slightly on the masculine side of androgynous teenagehood, and that's that. And the author happens to have a crush on both.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:10 PM
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I really don't get the discomfort here.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:11 PM
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The bottom photo on the first page? Pre-HS? No way. 17 at the youngest---remember, that's a woman. Also, the women in the photo are hamming up the resemblance to the young Bieber and the weird preteen heartthrob culture, which is so strangely indeterminate in its sexuality already.

It *is* a little offputting that the woman who started the photo collection should have become an internet phenome---she is apparently in the process of getting hired an MTV "twitter jockey" about which the less said the better---and that the project should have had such staying power.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:14 PM
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The kid with the ice cream looks like a 20-year old lesbian who looks like justin bieber, bob. I don't find the look cute/attractive so I can't be squicked here.

The joke is that these 20-something lesbians look like boys, not girls.

max
['And how odd is that, actually?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:15 PM
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It *is* a little offputting that the woman who started the photo collection should have become an internet phenome

Why?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:15 PM
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The joke is that these 20-something lesbians look like boys, not girls.

It's jokey, but the participants are being celebrated, not mocked.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:16 PM
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Oh, I guess it isn't so strange in a world where LOLcats are a profitable industry. I've managed to ignore Justin Bieber almost entirely up to now, is all.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:18 PM
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15: I thought the joke was the Justin Bieber looked like a woman.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:19 PM
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s/b "was that"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:20 PM
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I don't think so. I think the author genuinely finds him cute.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:22 PM
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17 and 19 don't contradict.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:25 PM
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I agree with 17. Is 19 supposed to be a rebuttal of that? The author is a lesbian.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:26 PM
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20: Fair enough, but I'd qualify it with comment 15 again.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:26 PM
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Lesbians can't have crushes on Justin Bieber?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:27 PM
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For some idiosyncratic pre-teen perspective, I only know Bieber as an object of mockery. One of my kids will tag the other and yell "You've got Bieber fever!" which seems to be pretty much equivalent to cooties.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:28 PM
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23: Of course they can. If fact, it's not surprising that they might, since he looks like a woman.

I don't really disagree with 15 either. But it's only mildly funny, so.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:29 PM
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I like his "Baby, baby, oh!" song.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:29 PM
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I actually don't find it funny, really, at all, that the lesbians look like Justin Bieber. I find the participants cute and sometimes the author is funny, and the whole thing generally endearing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:32 PM
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A few years ago Ogged posted the website "Men who look like old lesbians", and that seemed to mock everyone involved and the humor hinged entirely on the fact that some people look androgynous. This site is not that, at all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:40 PM
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I don't know, heebie. I kind of wish you would stop saying Lesbians and the lesbians.

Women who are gay and who in this case enjoy a particular aesthetic. That's about it.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:41 PM
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Coming up:Straight male website drooling over Ellen Page Hard Candy lookalikes, in red hoods.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:43 PM
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29 not to 28.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:43 PM
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the humor hinged entirely on the fact that some people look androgynous. This site is not that, at all.

Right. The humor at this site only hinges on the fact that Justin Bieber looks androgynous.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:43 PM
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23: That's what one does with an idoru.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:43 PM
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Parsimon, is it possible that you haven't followed the discussion here? When Heebie says "the lesbians look like Justin Beiber," she means "the lesbians featured on the site Lesbians Who Look Like Justin Bieber look like Justin Bieber." This should be unobjectionable.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:44 PM
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OT: The Polish prosecutor in charge of the CIA secret prisons case is apparently considering asking parliament for permission to indict the top officials from that period (They have permanent immunity for official actions unless the Sejm lifts it). These would be the former top leaders of the post-communists. For those who read Polish, the report is here: Trybunał Stanu dla polityków lewicy za tajne więzienia CIA?


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:44 PM
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Have they verified the lesbianity of everybody on the site?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:45 PM
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No, the humor in this site (which I admit, I don't find that funny) is the author's short comments following the posts. Her sort of hyper teenspeak. Once in a while she's actually funny.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:45 PM
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37 to 32.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:46 PM
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36 was a thought I had as well. It's very possible the site should be called "Women Who I Think Look Like Lesbians Who Look Like Justin Bieber".


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:47 PM
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Because assuming a woman is a lesbian because she looks like Justin Bieber could be offensive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:47 PM
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Or possibly "Persons Who I Think Are Women Who I Think Look Like Lesbians Who Look Like Justin Bieber".


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:49 PM
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Most of the people are submitting their own photo and claiming to be LWLLJB. Occasionally someone says that they're not actually gay but look like him anyway.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:49 PM
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For those who read Polish...

How many other people are there here who read Polish? (Interesting news, mind you.)


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:50 PM
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Most of the people are submitting their own photo and claiming to be LWLLJB.

They're user-submitted, but are they all self-submitted? (You've clearly spent more time reading this unfunny site than I have.) Or are some pictures that were snapped of other people, and then submitted?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:51 PM
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40 pwned by 39.

And, I should add that, a guy who has probably put up close to 100 comments about women in dirndl's should probably not be calling "offensive" on somebody else's opinions about female appearance. So, I'm stopping now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:51 PM
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"Look like Justin Bieber" = look 15 or younger

This is not "look like cute Johnny Depp". The point is the attraction to extreme youth and innocence.

12-yr-olds fine, scream away. That was not the constituency.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:51 PM
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Everyone thinks I'm this big dyke because I wear baggy pants and play sports and I'm not pretty like other girls. But all I really want is a big, fat weiner up my...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:53 PM
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34: I'm just grumpy, and apologize.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:55 PM
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48: That's OK. Justin Bieber makes me grumpy, too.


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:56 PM
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48.last: Justin Bieber makes me Bashful.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:58 PM
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489.last


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 8:59 PM
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2/3rds of a Justin Bieber video later: I hate you all.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:02 PM
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52: Homophobe.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:02 PM
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I didn't think there would be any communication. Really,

This would not pass for gay men either.

I am going to go watch the new Almodovar.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:03 PM
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52: I don't see how you can blame us for anything after the first 10 seconds.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:03 PM
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The point is the attraction to extreme youth and innocence.

Why do you assume that's the point, bob?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:03 PM
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I am going to go watch the new Almodovar.

New coffee maker?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:04 PM
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One last:this is the kind of stuff that convinces ogged about the dogs.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:06 PM
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It was the horrified fascination that prevented me from stopping earlier. That is what everyone's been swooning and rioting about? Huh. Also: Ludacris, really, surely you could get a more dignified guest-rapper gig? Finally: Bieber-handlers, you've got to teach your boy to dance more quickly. Quick edits only get you so far.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:07 PM
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43 Who knows who might be around in the lurking masses? Plus a couple people here speak Czech, which means they can puzzle out a Polish newspaper article if they really want to.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:10 PM
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Bieber-handlers

One last (because now I'm Sleepy):maybe this is the kind of thing that convinces bob about Roman Polanski us elites.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:14 PM
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I actually find Heebie's preferred interpretation somewhat disturbing, but I think she's wrong. The site is just a joke about Bieber's androgyny. Which, whatever. Heebie instead wants to believe it's an adult women genuinely crushing on a teenager. Which is where bob's comments start making sense--how would you feel about the same site run by an adult man? If it were a teenage girl? Now, that happens all the time, and there's nothing awful about it, but it's generally deprecated.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:32 PM
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Perhaps this has been said before, but it's Bieber who looks like a lesbian. This is widely known.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:33 PM
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there's nothing awful about it

Except when there is, of course.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:33 PM
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63: It's the haircut.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:35 PM
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Heebie instead wants to believe it's an adult women genuinely crushing on a teenager.

There are pictures of the author. She posts herself as a LWLLJB at one point, I think. She is probably at most 23, judging from the teenspeak. I don't find it disturbing.

I am an adult women genuinely mildly charmed by the whole site, and find it all very cute.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:38 PM
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Would "Gay men who look like Janet Reno" be offensive?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:49 PM
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I am tired of this "what about the help?" and "what about how black people are strict" and "what about how Justin Bieber looks like a lesbian [or whatever]?"


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:57 PM
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I'm banning myself now, of course.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 9:58 PM
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Parsimon, what the fuck are you exactly criticizing me for?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:01 PM
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67: Without any context, generally Janet Reno gets made fun of for being unfeminine. So unless it was done in an unexpected way, yes, it'd be offensive.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:02 PM
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Would "Gay men who look like Janet Reno" be offensive?

The closer parallel* would be "Gay Men Who Look Like Dakota Fanning", written by an adult man who claims to have a crush on Dakota and all the men. Creepy.

*Or would-be parallel, were the blog what Heebie envisions it to be, rather than just a cheap joke about androgyny.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:04 PM
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If the adult man was 21, would it be that creepy? If all the photos were g-rated and innocent? Kid sexuality isn't creepy just because it exists.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:06 PM
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Parsimon, what the fuck are you exactly criticizing me for?

I think there are five different places the "exactly" could have gone in that sentence, but that wasn't one of them.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:07 PM
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The only thing I know about Justin Bieber is the whole "German? What's that? We don't say that in America" thing, and I don't really care to learn more.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:10 PM
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Kid sexuality isn't creepy just because it exists.

Again, I'm probably using "creepy" too loosely, because I don't really think it's creepy, but a lot of people do (even a difference of 16-21, yes), and it's certainly generally deprecated.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:10 PM
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Yeah, what the exactly fuck?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:11 PM
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75: Huh?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:13 PM
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Sure, actual sex with a five year age difference can easily be creepy between teenagers. I just find this site sufficiently light-hearted and mild that I don't get the critique.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:13 PM
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On brief reflection, don't tell me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:13 PM
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70: I think "the gaze", heebie. But I don't really know and certainly wouldn't presume to speak for parsimon.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:15 PM
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Ok, the thing about Justin Bieber and sexuality is that he (or his handlers, or his mother, or...) is sexualizing himself. Have you heard any of his songs? They sound like they are meant for an adult to sing, but there he is, singing them anyway. Perhaps that's disturbing (I find it disturbing, at any rate), but the problem is not that this site is sexualizing Bieber. Also, he's not really a kid. Yes, you shouldn't have sex with him if you're over 18. But finding his look to be attractive? Not exactly pedophilia (though, really, can I just say, ew?).


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:16 PM
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30: Wasn't Ellen Page an adult woman when that movie was made?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:16 PM
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Probably I should have said "something like 'the gaze'". But that could be wrong.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:17 PM
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Dakota Fanning

oh man. the crush i have for her is just GROWING AND GROWING.

HOLD ME.

uuuuuuugggggggghhhhhh WHY ISN'T SHE MINE.

mmm

oh man. the crush i have for her is just GROWING AND GROWING.

HOLD ME.

uuuuuuugggggggghhhhhh WHY ISN'T SHE MINE.

mmm


Nope, not creepy in the least.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:19 PM
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Not sure why those comments were posted twice. BUT I LOVE HER THAT MUCH.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:21 PM
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It has been observed for thousands of years that pubescent boys look feminine. A woman does not have to be all that young to look like a pubescent boy. No squick.

Starting photo sites for who look like could eventually become a mainstream dating strategy.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:22 PM
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"something like 'the gaze'"

Parsimon's comment pissed me off, so I could either rip into this scathingly as a proxy for her, or wait until Parsimon is actually here to explain herself.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:24 PM
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85: Yeah, I just wrote it off as teenspeak and hyperbolic crushing. Maybe I'm being naive and the whole thing is perverted.

Basically, no one else finds them sweetly cute, apparently.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:27 PM
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89: No, really, it's not perverted. It just would be (very mildly so, but still) if the site were intended to be as sweetly cute as you seem to think. Instead, it's just a joke about the androgynous appearance of Justin Bieber. Which: ha-ha.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:31 PM
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So you think Justin Bieber is the butt of the joke, but the lesbian teens are being celebrated? But the author's banter seems indistinguishable to me between the two categories.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:34 PM
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Either way, I'm going to bed.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:38 PM
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Bieber is Canadian, which probably means he is the butt of the joke.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 10:39 PM
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30:18 I think. Maybe 20.

Cast because she looked and could act 13-14.

Very squick to perv on her, even if of age.

There is also the younger than she looks thing, or very small, like Jena Malone. I shouldn't be bothered by it, but I am.

Bieber just doesn't look 16 to me.

(Damn, Almodovar is interesting.)


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 3-10 11:02 PM
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If we're gonna talk about lesbians I vote we talk about Lesbian Pirates from Outer Space!!!

http://rosalarian.com/lesbianpirates/?p=1

It is far more fun, I promise you.


Posted by: W. Breeze | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 4:43 AM
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Five places for the 'exactly' to go ...

Exactly, Parsimon: what the fuck are you criticizing me for?

That's one of them, I think.

Parsimon: exactly. What the fuck are you criticizing me for?

There's another. Not quite the same meaning as the first, but close.

Parsimon, what exactly the fuck are you? Criticizing? Me? For?

That's three. Are there others?


Posted by: Charlie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 6:22 AM
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Basically, no one else finds them sweetly cute, apparently.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 6:33 AM
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"Look like Justin Bieber" = look 15 or younger

I believe it actually means "have Justin Bieber's haircut".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 6:37 AM
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I believe it actually means "have a haircut like Justin Bieber's haircut." Or is a haircut not a physical thing, but rather a design or plan so that you have have somebody's haircut the same way you can have your dad's genes without meaning you've drawn a blood sample from him.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 6:46 AM
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Starting photo sites for who look like could eventually become a mainstream dating strategy.

There's a running joke in William Gibson's "Virtual Light" about the police use of lookalike software. The idea is that people (at least, Californians) are really good at noticing and remembering celebrity resemblances - better than they are at actually remembering faces - so instead of going around with a photo of the suspect and saying "seen this guy?" they feed the photo to the software to see who it most resembles, and then go around saying "did you see a guy who looked a bit like Tommy Lee Jones?"

Someone feeds the software a photo of a Colombian cravate victim at one point and it comes back saying he looks like Rainer Fassbinder, whom none of the policemen have heard of. "This Fassbinder must have been a scary looking dude".


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So last night, nevermind why, she wanted me to show her an appendicitis scar. That is all. She is at the keyboard, I am behind her shoulder.

Bob:"Go to Wiki, appendicitis, and scroll 3/4 down the page. There is a good picture there"

She goes to Mayo. Starts searching for "appendix"

Bob:"Just go to Wiki"
She:"Oh, alright." Goes to Wiki.

She goes to "appendix." Reads. Scrolls down one page. Reads. Scrolls down a page. Reads.

Bob:"Look, there is a link to "appendicitis" at the bottom of the page."

She scrolls up a page of "appendix". Reads. Scrolls up. Reads. Scrolls up.

Bob:"Why?"

She:Hits embedded link at top of article. "Hey, I'm going to "appendicitis." Gets to "appendicitis". Reads.
Scrolls down a page. Reads.

Bob:"Scroll down. It's near the end."
She scrolls down a page. Reads.
Bob:"I'm tired of standing here. Will you scroll?"
She:"I'm scrolling." Scrolls down a page. Reads.

Bob:"You just will not take directions. When your hands are on the keyboard, even if something trivial and quick, whatever I say, you have to find your own way, because you will not do what anyone tells you to do. You are so damned stubbornly and needlessly independent"

She:"WTF? Why are you criticizing me?"

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:01 AM
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The Will to Power

"Will you just listen to me?"

"Why are you criticizing me?"


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:09 AM
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Bob, don't stand behind people and tell them what to type. In 14 states, you can legally use a gun if somebody tells you what to type and you aren't being employed as a typist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:38 AM
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Your honor, the defense intends to show that the deceased was, in the moments immediately prior to being brained by a telephone handset, reaching over the defendant's shoulder to type ".com" when ".net" was clearly correct.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:41 AM
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Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them.
- TE Lawrence

Or: http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-05-29/


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:47 AM
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101: Argh. I was on the phone with someone last week who just would not type in the URL I was giving him:

It's city dot gov slash place.

[Long pause]

city dot G-O-V, slash P-L-A-C-E.

[Longer pause] Okay, got it. 'Marketing Solutions'?

No, it's a city website. Should say 'Welcome to our city' at the top of the page.

[pause] Uh, can you repeat that URL again? I tried to Google it to be fast.

city dot gove slash place

*********
Why, when someone is giving you an exact, easy-to-spell URL, would you Google it "to be faster"?! In what world does that make sense?

And this dude has a job that involves heavy use of the web, at a very fancy big-shot employer. Gah.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:09 AM
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Why, when someone is giving you an exact, easy-to-spell URL, would you Google it "to be faster"?!

I would probably do that. I've had too many bad experiences typing in URLs and e-mail addresses that somebody had given me over the phone. Googling is almost certainly quicker in the aggregate.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:19 AM
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Do not try to do too much with your own hands. Better the Arabs do it tolerably than that you do it perfectly. It is their war, and you are to help them, not to win it for them.

Ajay, there's no need to allude to the Parsimon sympathisers in such a roundabout way. We all know which side we're on, right?


Posted by: Charlie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:29 AM
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If you ask me, the tricky placement is more the enclitic particle "the fuck" than "exactly."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:46 AM
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96: "What the fuck are you criticizing me for exactly?"


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:55 AM
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For when the criticism doesn't spill over even a little bit to other people: "What the fuck are you criticizing exactly me for?"


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Exactly, Parsimon: the fuck. What are you criticizing me for?



Posted by: Charlie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:04 AM
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Okay, here's my analysis: The concept here is some youngish lesbians are sitting around, talking about mainstream pop culture. One of them says "OMG, have you seen that Justin Bieber kid?" And the other one says "Justin who?", and the third one says "You know, that new teen idol kid, he looks totally like a really cute baby dyke!" And the second one googles him on her iPhone and says "OMG, you're right, I would totally do him if he were a baby dyke I met at the club." And then a couple of months pass, and the morphic field resonates, and somebody realizes, "Hey, there are a lot of young lesbian women who affect a style similar to that of teen heartthrob Justin Bieber. I think I'll put up a website celebrating that, because I like women who look like that."

I see this as firmly on the continuum of "Dykes do Drag" nights, where that specific androgynous affinity between lesbians and pop idols is played up.

As far as Danielle's comments, some of them are verging from squee into squick, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and read that charitably as satirizing the culture that teen girls create around pop idols. I don't think this is an actual invitation to (whatever the lesbian version of pederasty* would be) at all.

*Is there even a category for this? I mean, people made Lolita jokes about underage Brittney Spears, but the punchline was always "why wouldn't older straight men find this compelling?"

PS. I'm also reminded of the Margaret Cho concert video where she declaims that she would like to sleep with a woman who looks like John Goodman. Then the camera crew goes out into the audience after the show and finds a butch lesbian who does indeed look quite a bit like John Goodman, and who cheerfully agrees to take Cho up on her offer. Seems pretty analogous to me.


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I think "Parsimon, exactly what the fuck are you criticizing me for?" also works, although it's clearly more colloquial.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:17 AM
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Bet you'd never have guessed that was me!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:17 AM
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114 was me. 113 was not me.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:18 AM
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115 to 113


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:20 AM
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Did Margaret Cho follow through and sleep with the John Goodman-lookalike? Don't leave us hanging!


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116 to 117.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:20 AM
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A woman who looks like John Goodman would be Linda Tripp, if you can believe Saturday Night Live.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:23 AM
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enclitic particle
Thank you. I have long wondered how to refer to intensifiers in the middle of a sentence.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:27 AM
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110: Man, are you ever the literal one.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:29 AM
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I'm shocked that this site doesn't keep me up on the important news: developments in Archie comics. Apparently after the fake Archie marries Betty/Veronica issues, Archie went on to date Valerie from Josie and the Pussycats. This changes everything, people!


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:30 AM
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I believe that there was Archie/JandthePs cross-dating in issues dating from the late 70s/early80s. Riverdale is eternal recurrence.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:32 AM
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Oh, wait, I hadn't thought about the interracial aspect. I think that is new. Obama's America, people!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:36 AM
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Archie is black now?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:37 AM
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113:*Is there even a category for this?

That is part of what I found interesting. Assume vast ignorance, but I don't know what the standards are in the lesbian community, professed, actually followed, or enforced, and that website is about the only evidence I have. Since that page appears to be linked and commented by dozens to hundreds, I presume it is representative, and 16 looking like 13 is within bounds.

I guess I could google and research "At what age was your first same-sex experience, and how old was your partner", but I find my own curiosity, what little there is, somewhat offensive and squicky.

I mentioned ogged's speculation on dogs for a reason, having to do with gender attitudes toward certain transgressions. I blame the patriarchy for everything, of course.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:40 AM
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Exactly, Parsimon: what the fuck are you criticizing me for?

Parsimon, exactly what the fuck are you criticizing me for?

Parsimon, what, exactly, the fuck are you criticizing me for?

Parsimon, what the fuck, exactly, are you criticizing me for?

Parsimon, what the fuck are you, exactly, criticizing me for? [i.e. where do you get off, you do the same thing!]

Parsimon, what the fuck are you exactly criticizing me for? [i.e. why so fucking precise and micromanaging?]

Parsimon, what the fuck are you criticizing exactly me for?

Parsimon, what the fuck are you criticizing me for, exactly?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:44 AM
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Is "the fuck" an enclitic? This nonexpert thinks, no! Stay tuned for an uninformed debate at 9.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:46 AM
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Archie is black now?

Where it counts, anyway.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:48 AM
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9 Pacific or 9 unfogged's, what the fuck, time*.

*Currently, something like Eastern minus 2 hours and 9 minutes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:48 AM
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113: Thank you! I was hoping that someone would point out that this was a preexisting young lesbian boi haircut, before becoming Bieberized.

131: I believe this is referred to as Comin Round the Mountain Time.


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113: Thank you! I was hoping that someone would point out that this was a preexisting young lesbian boi haircut, before becoming Bieberized.

If someone had done that fifty comments prior to 113, would that have satisfied your hopes?


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I'm sure this has been posted here before, but I can't see why it hasn't been deployed in this discussion.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:58 AM
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128, 129: I thought we should cover the possibility that 'the fuck' might have been intended to refer to a specific act, in respect of which the commenter wanted to confirm that a criticism had been made. Exactly Parsimon: the fuck. Additionally, this was to be understood as being followed up by a 'and what's your problem?' type of question. Had the words gone together right. Hence my 112. But I fully accept you have most of the bases covered there: good work.


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129: I decline to debate as I don't actually know. Maybe a simple duel is best. Shall we say pistols at dawn?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 9:59 AM
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133: I read that, but felt it paid insufficient attention to the specifics of subcultural hairstyle developments.


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But 112 doesn't merely change the placement of "exactly", it also reorders "what the fuck" into "the fuck" followed by "what", so it technically answers a different problem.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:04 AM
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I remember in college hearing the phrase "the four lesbian haircuts" and finding it funny and continuing to use it now and then. Welcome back, slightly funny phrase from college! I think it might have been a band, though.

(It was never established what the four lesbian haircuts were. It is perhaps best to let the mystery be or, as we said in social work school, sit with the question.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:04 AM
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127: Assume vast ignorance, but I don't know what the standards are in the lesbian community, professed, actually followed, or enforced,

Ah! Apparently I was not able to make my meaning plain. Of course, there are intergenerational relationships within the lesbian community, just as there are among straight people, bisexual people, gay men, transgendered people, intersexed people, queer people, etc. What I was questioning was whether, outside of women-in-prison movies, we can even speak of adult lesbians harboring desires for underage women as a category, whether that is a category to be praised or attacked. My question was, to some degree, rhetorical, since I'm not aware of any such category in our culture. There is no lesbian Lolita, even if there are films and novels about intergenerational lesbian relationships.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:11 AM
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Mullet, crew cut, Bieber/Phoenix fringe, and librarian bob.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:12 AM
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Wow, you didn't even have to think about it.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:16 AM
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Well yes, but of course one takes the debate to have been reshaped by the insight in 109.


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I am aware of all lesbian haircut traditions.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:21 AM
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129: I also think no. I'd be interested to hear any arguments in favor, though.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:22 AM
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Personally I found the site cute and inoffensive; Natilo at 113 makes a better argument in its favor than I would have.

It does seem, separate from the virtues of the site, however, like this has just not been a good week for unfogged (sorry Heebie).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:31 AM
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I would probably do that. I've had too many bad experiences typing in URLs and e-mail addresses that somebody had given me over the phone. Googling is almost certainly quicker in the aggregate.

I do this too. Google fixes spelling errors.


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136: We can say it. I don't know what it means, but we can say it.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:05 AM
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Though he doesn't know it I have been letting Natilo speak for me lest my brain explode. And may the record note that I've only ever had a crewcut and a bob and am not planning to hit the other two options ever ever ever.

I'm 30 and in an intergenerational relationship (she's 47 now, but tells people we're both 35 and that seems more plausible; even some of my friends thought I was older than she is) but this is definitely my first. I have several lesbian friends who had pivotal relationships when they were 18 or 19 with a women in the 27-30 age range, though none (that I know of) who had earlier relationships with adults.

As far as the LWLLJB, I think the first time that hairdo hit the national level was on the winner of the lesbian half or A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila, though I'd seen variations of it already. Then last summer(ish) along came Justin Bieber and young lesbians all over perked up their ears at what sounded like a woman singing about liking women. Except, oops, it was just Justin Bieber with his sweet high voice and then ha ha! he had what had become a pretty typical babydyke haircut! I can pretty much guarantee that was the thought process behind the website in question and its popularity among lesbians. I'm not a fan of the faux(?) flirtatiousness about Justin Bieber, but I'm also pretty sure that most of the others photographed have hit the age of consent and that most of us lesbians who've checked out the website have been amused rather than titillated.

Also, what, people who look younger than they are just shouldn't be allowed to have sex because it makes their partners creepy? Should I be doomed to date 40-somethings because I'm graying and haggard? Someone please make me stop thinking about what Bob says.


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149.1: I've had the same haircut my whole life and I don't intend to try anything else unless I go so bald that I have to do a crewcut. Changing hair styles is too much work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:11 AM
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Someone please make me stop thinking about what Bob says.

Me too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:11 AM
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Think of anything but a polar bear.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:13 AM
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Is this Justin Bieber the Donny Osmond of his generation or something? Who's his public?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:13 AM
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Except to say that you all sure can suck the lighthearted fun out of cute site. It's almost like you're all humorless, except not the sensible-feminist kind.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:14 AM
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149: That's what I'm here for. Natilo Paennim: Friend of the Lesbians.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:14 AM
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t does seem, separate from the virtues of the site, however, like this has just not been a good week for unfogged (sorry Heebie).

Hey, I'm on vacation. Yell at the rest of the front-page posters.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:16 AM
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Natilo Paennim: Friend of the Lesbians.

That would make a great TV series.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:17 AM
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155: Other people were on the side of Right, but you did it more verbosely, which makes you my obvious proxy.

(In other news, we find out next Tuesday if we'll be chosen to parent that tall boy I talked about. We certainly seem to be the favorites, though I don't know if other families are in the running. He does not have a Justin Bieber haircut.)


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:18 AM
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Seriously. Woman expressing crushes on boys do not come off as predatory as older men. Really, they're as cute and harmless as Bieber himself.


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156: If there are any lurking partners at large law firms who will hire me to be bitter, disaffected, and unproductive for giant sums of money, I promise to start posting more again.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:20 AM
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155: That's like being a Friend of Dorothy, but more specific. Friend of Dorothy Allison, maybe.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:21 AM
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OT: When did Trident gum start opening from the side of the package? Is that why it tastes better?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:22 AM
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158: Does anyone else listen to Dan Savage's podcast? Generally entertaining, but boy, does he get bitchy about lesbians whose orientation changes. It seems as if the last few episodes have been all "Dan Savage Speaks Truth to Big Lesbian" all the time.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:22 AM
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Also, what, people who look younger than they are just shouldn't be allowed to have sex because it makes their partners creepy? Should I be doomed to date 40-somethings because I'm graying and haggard? Someone please make me stop thinking about what Bob says.

The supposed rule is half-your-age + 7.

Only dating 40-something kinda misses the point. Younger != minors for most of us.

I am afraid I find the guys into Japanese schoolgirls in uniforms, probably 18+ but looking 14, just a little bit squicky. I find a lot of the stuff that dwells on the attraction to underage-looking women kinda creepy, even if they pull out the ID card at the start of the orgy. YMMV.

I am not a fan of May-December romances, even say 80-30. Ewww.

I guess I'm really square.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:22 AM
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He does not have a Justin Bieber haircut.

Yet.

Yell at the rest of the front-page posters.

Don't yell at me. I have small children who do that already.


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163: but boy, does he get bitchy about lesbians whose orientation changes.

If you get used to navigating by reading the lesbians, when they stop facing north, you get lost.


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You just have to be certain of which side the moss is growing on.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:24 AM
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when they stop facing north

No self-respecting lesbian lets the moss all grow on one side.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:26 AM
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Sorry to interrupt, but I have to link the best thing ever.

|>


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I have a small child who's really into hitting me in the face. Usually I instantly put her down and walk away. If we're on the plane, we restrain her hands for the count of 10. Sometimes we'll do time-out, but it feels like the delay gives too much time and she just babbles happily in time-out.

Anyway it's getting old. Also I'm starting to suspect that "discipline" means "set your boundaries but it's going to be violated until the kid outgrows the stage, no matter what you do".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:27 AM
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Does anyone else listen to Dan Savage's podcast?

Yep! He sure does light into them.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:28 AM
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169: The best part of that is : "The research could pave the way for advanced methods of enraging monkeys."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:29 AM
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161 - I always hum along to Bastard out of Carolina in the Morning.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:30 AM
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I have a small child who's really into hitting me in the face.

That's not a very advanced method of monkey-enraging. Maybe you should have her tested.


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164: Right, Bob, I'm breaking that rule now. Yet I could follow it and be dating a 22-year-old, which probably includes a lot of the women on LWLLJB. I guess I just don't agree that any of them look 13 and I find this particular teen-boy-ish aesthetic (though it's not one I find particularly attractive to me; my hangups in that regard are lesion) much less problematic than lolitawear, maybe because it's playing with gender in a different way.

When I was 19, I wore big baggy boys' clothes like a lot of the young women on that site. That was because I was sick of and grossed out by guys looking at me (and because I was anorexic, but YMMV) and I don't think I'm entirely atypical in that regard. I think that element of casual androgynous clothing is more than just an affectation, though, and that if some of these women are indeed trying to look like 13-year-old boys it's more likely to be a way of dealing with their own gender/body issues than with anyone's fetishizing of the prepubescent.

I don't really understand looks-based crushes on celebrities (legion, I tellya) but it seems for a lot of people to be a safe way to have a crush on a same-gender person or someone outside your normal type or whatever. Any actual adult lesbians with actual crushes on Justin Bieber don't really strike me as creepier than adult women with crushes on Twilight characters/actors; both seem a little creepy but can channel the creepiness in more or less innocuous ways.


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170: I had a similar experience during which I discovered that "kneebiters" wasn't just an expression -- having a toddler repeatedly bite you in the leg is surprisingly unpleasant. And at this age, you're mostly right about discipline. You can redirect, you can forcibly bring the behavior to an end, but making the kid understand that they shouldn't do something because it's against the rules comes sometime after three, I'd say offhand.


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if some of these women are indeed trying to look like 13-year-old boys it's more likely to be a way of dealing with their own gender/body issues

Some of us were simply naturally talented at looking like thirteen-year old boys when we were in our late teens and early twenties. There's a picture I've linked in the comments in the past, but I can never find it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:33 AM
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I have a small child who's really into hitting me in the face.

I used to get bloody noses from that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:33 AM
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I'm breaking that rule now

47-30 just slides in under the bar, actually.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:34 AM
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Also, the 1/2+7 rule is from Little Women, or at least that's the earliest place I've ever seen it reported. This is not a source for relationship advice.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:34 AM
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Also, it's just me. She'll get down from someone else's lap, toddle over to me, hold out her arms to be picked up, and then whack me joyfully as soon as she's within reach.

Just venting. It's actually not as exasperating as it sounds, but sheesh, kid.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:35 AM
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Maybe you just have one of those faces, Heebie.


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179: True, but then in December she'll be 48 and I'll be out of luck again.


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Also, on the repetitiveness of my vein of posting:

1. The comment threads are completely unpredictable, even when they're on target. So if you all run similar comment threads for several posts in a row, it's your own damn fault. The posts themselves weren't necessarily similar.

2. Political posting makes me feel like an uninformed idiot, takes a lot of time to find interesting bits, and leaves me feeling like we've already discussed everything and I'm not capable of turning up the new angle.

3. There's always a standing invite for guest posts, but shockingly my inbox does not runneth over.


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182: I'm probably asking for it.


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181: Yeah, kids have a very different sense of boundaries with respect to their parents than with anyone else. It really does get maddening.

The dog-training thing to do would be to make a loud startling noise when she did it. I did that unintentionally when Sally was doing the biting thing (two-year-olds can have surprisingly strong jaws), and the stage didn't last too long.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:41 AM
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(two-year-olds can have surprisingly strong jaws)

New teeth are sharp.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:43 AM
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Jesus, "sweet high voice?" This is a little kid! In every way a child, and the youth is emphasized.

One Time

I am reminded of course of Michael Jackson, and it is well documented how adult women went after Jackson during the 70s, and how it irrevocably screwed him up.

Justin Bieber (or Bieber lookalikes) as sex object for adults is just so, nevermind, I am older and country, so I guess it's my problem.

I think I'll stick to the suburbs.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:44 AM
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my inbox does not runneth over

And yet, baby #2 on the way. I'd post, except that I'm super-busy at work right now and don't have much of anything to say except doom-and-gloom, and that topic seems neither popular nor entertaining.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:45 AM
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my hangups in that regard are lesion

STD problem?


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Off to board my flight! See you in a few if there's free wireless in SFO. Which I don't think there is, but maybe.


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Justin Bieber (or Bieber lookalikes) as sex object for adults is just so, nevermind, I am older and country, so I guess it's my problem.

Thinking like this is why I couldn't get laid in college.


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And yet, baby #2 on the way.

Heh. This is probably TMI, but I had exactly 1 period in between pregnancies.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 11:47 AM
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Any actual adult lesbians with actual crushes on Justin Bieber don't really strike me as creepier than adult women with crushes on Twilight characters/actors; both seem a little creepy but can channel the creepiness in more or less innocuous ways.

My question is answered. "Different for girls"

I wouldn't dream of being physically attracted to Kristin Stewart. She's too young as a person, and as a character in the her movies.


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don't have much of anything to say except doom-and-gloom, and that topic seems neither popular nor entertaining.

Yep. Posts I've toyed with and not posted recently have included that 'all the phytoplankton are dying, start stockpiling SCUBA tanks if you want to breathe next year,' thing, and other similarly cheerful bits of news.


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Ah, TLL, good catch! Clearly I'm a mess when it comes to spelling, but thankfully not in all other respects.

Bob, I shouldn't really respond because I deliberately chose that phrasing to emphasize his . I haven't even listened really to Bieber and was basically paraphrasing things I've read actual lesbians write online. They thought he was a young girl singing and were excited by that and then let down the more they learned/thought about it, probably much the same way they dealt with Katy Perry's song about kissing a girl however many years before. I don't know of any adults who are making a fetish of him, the owner of that site possibly excluded. My understanding, though, is that he's hired a "swagger coach" and that he's deliberately performing semi-sexualized music, but I shouldn't really weigh in on any more of this since I simply don't know. And I don't know any adults who find him truly attractive, so your guess is as good as mine in that regard. But I should stop now.


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182: Maybe you just have one of those faces, Heebie.
185: 182: I'm probably asking for it.

The cute ones always get it the worst.


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"She's so incredibly cute, I could just punch her in the face."


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176, 186: I am told I went through a biting stage that ended abruptly when my grandmother bit me back.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:03 PM
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"My, Grandma, what big teeth you have!"


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:07 PM
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Katy Perry Jill Sobule's song about kissing a girl however many years before . . .

I would have thought.


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Need post fodder? Here you go (first question).


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196:Well, it's a phenomenon apparently only tangentially related to lesbianism, if at all. Besides Jackson, it extends from David Cassidy (Ricky Nelson) and maybe up to Justin Timberlake. I can't remember all the examples. Wahlberg?

But (some) adult women, sometimes quite older, seem to give themselves permission to have public "crushes" on quite young boy singers and actors in ways that decent men would never permit themselves toward very young women, and in ways that are quite disturbing.

We can probably blame the patriarchy for an infantilization.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:13 PM
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Oh, that poor man. Not that he should be cheating on his wife, of course, but what terrible luck.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:14 PM
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204 to 202. Bob, I would never infantilize you by referring to you as "that poor man". And I promise to keep my filthy paws off the jailbait from now on.


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I wouldn't dream of being physically attracted to Kristin Stewart.

If the rest of us could master this ability to decide who we will be physically attracted to, life could be so much easier.


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I'LL SAY!


Posted by: OPINIONATED MAGNET | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:19 PM
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Ned, if you can't sparkle, you'll never get Kristin.


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If the rest of us could master this ability to decide who we will be physically attracted to

Our modern age, in spades.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:21 PM
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Racist.


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Ned sparkles where it counts.


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203: Germaine Greer, for one.


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The young Cliff Richard was a lesbian icon back in the day. Kristin Stewart is pretty good as the young Joan Jett in The Runaways. After we saw Inception we were joking how it must never not be funny when Leonardo DiCaprio comes into your bar to ask for ID. And how fed up he must be getting of it by now.


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Oh, and should we talk about the hallowed-yet-problematic lesbian pastime of speculating on which celebrities are totally secretly gay? Because speaking of Kristin Stewart, seriously!!

And NickS, that song doesn't have to be a guilty pleasure because it seemed so genuine and because supposedly Jill Sobule is somewhat out, whereas Katy Perry was just being exploitative and there's not even any actual girl-kissing in the video (or so I hear, thankfully having been spared a viewing) and yet liking it is one more thing for young lesbians to be all conflicted about. Jill Sobule's song was for my generation.


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Oh, that poor man. Not that he should be cheating on his wife, of course, but what terrible luck.

Just desserts, more like.

I'm imagining the conversation as the now unhappy couple announced the engagement to her parents. "There is something about that boy that I really like" says the father-in law to be. "I wish I could put my finger on it".


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198: Even by PUA standards, that is a hard neg to come back from.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:33 PM
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whereas Katy Perry was just being exploitative

But she's 18, right? And if she isn't, how was anyone supposed to know.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:35 PM
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After having watched Adventureland recently, I am becoming very tired of the mope. She is supposed to stand straight, once in a while, in Runaways I'll see.

Currently more a fan of Evan Rachel Wood, who is a hoot in True Blood. And although I couldn't get very far into Woody's relatively recent Whatever Works, because of Larry David, what I saw of ERW in that looked like good work.

Stewart may have more talent.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:36 PM
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bob, don't confuse us with comments about talent. The Unfogged question of actresses is do you think she has a hot ass.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:38 PM
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Fuck talent! And brains! There are more important reasons to be attracted to someone.

Salary
The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2 (2012) $12,500,000 + 2.5% of the gross
The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 1 (2011) $12,500,000 + 2.5% of the gross
Twilight (2008/I) $2,000,000


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:39 PM
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And NickS, that song doesn't have to be a guilty pleasure

Ah, that makes sense.

I was just thinking that the Jill Sobule song was held in higher esteem by lesbians than the Katty Perry song, but I see that was actually your point.


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I was just at the haircuttery and this song came on the radio that was so terrrible I figured it was probably a popular song I should know about, so I tagged it on the iphone thingy wot tells you the name of the song playing (seekritly so I could be more specific in my snobbery, like "those Backstreet Boys sure are lousy!") and it was Katy Perry. The End.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:41 PM
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his song came on the radio that was so terrrible I figured it was probably a popular song I should know about

California Gurlz?

Brian Wilson will kill himself just so he can roll over in his grave.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:45 PM
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Just desserts, more like.

And here's Halford's missing "s".


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:45 PM
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Sung by Katy or written by Katy? What was the song? Be PRECISE in your snobbery or it doesn't count.


Posted by: tierce de lollardie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:46 PM
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Au contraire, mon frere. I was commenting on their after dinner activity. Or maybe I just spelled it wrong 'cuz my left ring finger was twitchy. Yeah, that's the ticket.


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my left ring finger was twitchy

Your wedding ring gets uncomfortable when you've been emailing your father-in-law too much? I can see that.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:51 PM
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Jill Sobule is in fact a lesbian, I believe.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:53 PM
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I have put two fathers-in-law in the grave. Probably from my naked torso pictures. Lydia the Tattooed Lady has nothing on me.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 12:53 PM
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229: "Local Attorney Probed In Cleveland Torso Murders Copycat Killings"


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228: I believe so too and read on some blog yesterday that she's dating someone also semi-famous and has been for some time, but Wikipedia says bisexual and I vaguely remember her being out-ish on those terms.

This is all not as important as asking what haircut Smearcase himself chose today.


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223: The song is utterly diposable, but the video is some of the most inspired surreal weirdness ever. Also featuring Snoop Dogg, Rapper for Hire.


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I would bet money that the original letter is a gag to test Pru's gullibility.

I love the KP California Gurlz, except for Snnoopp. It's cheerful. Julieta Venegas is happy music also.


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I have a twelve year old girl and a ten year old boy. We live in California, especially in the part being celebrated in the song (is Steve "Guitar" Miller the only one to praise northern California girls?). The local DJs are on some sort of personal vendetta against me such that the Katy Perry song is on the radio every time I get in the car.

When did Snoop go from gangster to kindly old stoner?


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233.1: That's what I was thinking too.


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231: I'm not a lesbian, so really I could have chosen anything. It's summer, so I just basically had him slap a #3 guard on them there clippers and keep going until there was nothing left to buzz. Maybe I should have gone with one of the 3rd generation mohawks one is seeing. (1st generation: punk. 2nd generation: 'hawks d'artifice. 3rd generation: lightly ironic but maybe sort of not really.)

Also yes: California Girls of Gurlz or whatever. Females from the American West.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 1:13 PM
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234.2 Well, he was a Scavenger Smoker in Half Baked (Tamra Davis, 1998), so presumably sometime after that.


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236: #3 is 3/8 inch, right? I think that's as short as I ever went back when I was buzzing my hair. I keep being tempted to go back to that, but I am sizeist and think it worked best on me when I was thin enough that my face was angular.

No one ever complimented me on the look in person, but my flickr account sure got a lot of attention from guys with head-shaving fetishes. I finally decided not to take it private because probably any picture on the internet is being objectified by somebody and they never quite crossed the line from creepily fawning to pushy/demanding. It was a weird experience, though.


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234.2: I'm going to date the transition as begining in 2000, when that first Lil Bow Wow video came out.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 1:27 PM
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Someone please make me stop thinking about what Bob says.

That's what 61 was trying to do--but way too elliptically.

And I am annoyed as hell that I cannot find it*, but the "may I get out of the van now" comment remains evergreen.

*My newfound lack of archive-searching skillz, let me tell you about them.


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233,235: That's my first instinct, too. OTOH I've known people in situations that absurd, so it's not outside the realm of possibility.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 1:34 PM
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but the video is some of the most inspired surreal weirdness ever.

The video is ruined by Perry's completely incompetent "acting".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 1:43 PM
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When I first heard the song I was looking forward to a 2 live crew "pop that coochie" or sisqo "thong song" celebration of bikinis in the video. But no, I get Candyland surrealism. Stop trying to be clever, wannabe feature film director.


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242:
I dunno. I really believed that she was gleefully massacring the assmebled gummi bear army breast-operated whipped cream throwers.


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"... army with her ..."


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 1:54 PM
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244, 245: So, I should hit YouTube when I get home.


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246: Sure, because YouTube is cute.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:03 PM
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is Steve "Guitar" Miller the only one to praise northern California girls?

Probably the most popular singer to do so. I'm sure that there's a fetish market for uptight, cold prudes wearing baggy sweaters, but there's not much market appeal there.


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192 to 248.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:08 PM
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My hypothesis is that during one of his drug spirals, Robert Downey Jr. forgot how to speak completely, and had to be re-taught, and he was re-taught by a voice coach, which is why he now sounds like a foreign actor doing a neutral "anytown, USA" tough-guy voice. Specifically, for most of "Iron Man II" he both looks and sounds like Dr. House.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:09 PM
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If I were asked to describe the shortcomings of northern Californian women, neither "uptight" nor "prudish" would be the first word that came to mind .


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250: Either I missed something or that is one tremendous non sequitur.


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Well, I don't know anything about California or lesbians. Found the linked website to be similar to the "Sorry I missed your party" website in that I feel bad laughing at it and it's probably really really really easy to do.


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248: Halford hasn't been to Sacramento. It gets too hot for sweaters.


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251: Baggy sweaters, though? It's a fair cop.


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251 -- The worst part about northern california is that folks are under a delusion that they are not uptight and or prudish, while simultaneously being extremely uptight and prudish. It is the paradox of the hippie!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:21 PM
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I hate generalizations about women of a particular region in space or time. Why do they appear so often in sportswriting?

I also hate nostalgia for women. That song "Rocky Top" is creepy.


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Also, I don't really count Sacramento as being Northern California. It's more like its own thing. Actually, I love Sacramento, so I'll stop.


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256: And it's true clear up the coast into Canada.


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259: Gives new meaning to 54-40 or fight.


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256: Ack, you have imprisoned me in your maze of lies! Thank God I left that den of uptight prudishness and escaped to Boston.


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These are fighting words, basically. Northern CA women are sweet and open IME.

Can one hate nostalgia past 30? Youth and vigor lose to calculation and distrust every time.


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The baggy sweaters part we can all agree on, though, no?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:38 PM
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Youth and vigor lose to calculation and distrust every time.

That's on the wall at the preschool.


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YAY!!!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:39 PM
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263: Um, no. I refuse to be characterized as such. I own no baggy sweaters!


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263: Assuming the baggy sweater isn't either exceptionally low cut or the knit isn't especially open, sure.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:39 PM
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Nor have I seen any baggy sweaters in the last three months.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:40 PM
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Man, I've been tempted to pull out my baggy sweaters in this cold summer.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:47 PM
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Pittsburgh is currently 86 (93 on the heat index) and it is about to rain a fuck ton. I don't have an umbrella.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:54 PM
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Dallas is 98 with HI 107

That is pretty much the forecast til September. At least.
Officially thu the 13th.

We did have a cold winter. But the pattern of being about 5 degrees above historical norms has held for a couple years now.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 2:58 PM
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271: Texas isn't supposed to be livable for regular people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 3:04 PM
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But the pattern of being about 5 degrees above historical norms has held for a couple years now.

I have no doubt this is true, as far as the records go. But seeing as they have only kept records for around the last 100 years, how the heck do we know from historical?


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how the heck do we know from historical?

I am not sure where to start on this. Are you offended by the word?

1) I could be wrong about the +5 degrees. It is a strong impression

2) If I am correct, I realize it could have more to do with Pacific conditions (El Nina/El Nino) than AGW. Was this your problem? I said nothing about causes.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 3:37 PM
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bob, everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it.

I was just joshing you about historical because our records are so puny compared to, you know, "history". We have no idea if that last 100 years are anywhere near normal, whatever that means. Tree rings, etc tell us drought in this period, etc. But not 82 degrees on Wednesday August 4 1236 CE.


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In some sense the way the "historical averages" are talked about in most weather forecasts is even more limited than TLL mentions. For instance, for Dallas-Forth Worth the "Climate Record Period" is 1898-2010 (over which record highs/lows etc. are calculated), while the "Climate Normal Period" is 1971-2000*. Climatic normals are best used as a reference base against which climate during the following decade only can be measured, not over larger time intervals. DFW "normals" for this time of year are 96 high, 75 low (the highest daily averages , but which extend from July 16th to August 14th--so now officially over the hump), it will fall off to 92/72 by the end of the month.

*As it is for all the US, unless it is a new station-- it will move up to 1981-2010 next year I think (the "official" WMO period is actually 1961-1990).


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We have no idea if that last 100 years are anywhere near normal, whatever that means. Tree rings, etc tell us drought in this period, etc. But not 82 degrees on Wednesday August 4 1236 CE.

The first sentence here doesn't seem to follow from the following two. It's true that we know very little about weather in the past. But we do know a fair amount about climate in the past (not as much as we would like, obviously, but at least rough regional averages at some resolution), and "if that last 100 years are anywhere near normal" sounds more like a statement about climate.


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Currently showing 102 HI 108 it hadn't peaked yet at 271

96 seems a little high, I would need to check more sources. Of course you can get variation around the Metroplex of a degree or three.

I knew where he was going, and I wasn't going to argue AGW with TLL.


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Hey, all. Way up there at 68, I made a bitchy comment, and I am quite sorry for it. Truth is -- and this is explanation, not excuse -- I was tired and extremely grouchy, which is of course no reason to throw a temper tantrum in public. I'll sit on my hands next time I'm in a snarly mood.


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I wasn't going to argue AGW with TLL.

I wouldn't argue with you about settled science, Copernicus. I was making a climate/ weather distinction. I should either stop commenting from work or stop working.


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I'll sit on my hands next time I'm in a snarly mood.

But then I would never comment!

Snarl. Time for the evening dog walk. Lemme see. 105 HI. Not really so bad. I try to wait until there is plenty of shade. I take a liter of water for the dogs, and take a break halfway through. It can be pretty nice under the trees, with a breeze.

Wind S. I guess that means almost calm.

Snarl. Whimper.


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The important thing is that I got home without getting very much rain on me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 5:23 PM
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I take a liter of water for the dogs

Do you have one of these ?



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281: I'll sit on my hands next time I'm in a snarly mood.
But then I would never comment!

Is that what it is? And here I go holding my tongue. So huh, never mind then.

HG @ 184: Yep. Posts I've toyed with and not posted recently have included that 'all the phytoplankton are dying, start stockpiling SCUBA tanks if you want to breathe next year,' thing, and other similarly cheerful bits of news.
Apo @ 189: And yet, baby #2 on the way. I'd post, except that I'm super-busy at work right now and don't have much of anything to say except doom-and-gloom, and that topic seems neither popular nor entertaining.
LB: Yep. Posts I've toyed with and not posted recently have included that 'all the phytoplankton are dying, start stockpiling SCUBA tanks if you want to breathe next year,' thing, and other similarly cheerful bits of news.

Fie on you guys: 1) There's nothing but gloom and doom, and there never was on this blog, but political arguments are (well, used to be) meat and potatoes here and I miss that. 2) I don't expect anyone to have a new take on anything, since Yggles or someone like that already came up with it. 3) For that matter all political arguments have previously been discussed just like all other subjects. So you might as well let fly. I've missed long political threads on unfogged. That is all.

max
['I should let fly as well, I think.']


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Dallas is 98 with HI 107

Today we were at 100 with a HI of 113.

113!


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I've missed long political threads on unfogged.

If there ever were any significant number of political threads, they were before my time or I wasn't paying attention. Ogged used to support the war in Iraq, but that was only because he felt that a hundred thousand dead was a small price to pay for such a promising trolling opportunity.


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283:probably. She buys everything.

I use an Ozarka bottle on a beltloop and a little square foldable plastic bowl.

284:Or you can hijack a thread, if you can get anyone to follow. As was done in the thread above with Prop 8. Comments is free, dude, freer than before now that this is the anomie & ennui blog.


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There used to be more political threads. It's fine if there are not, now, and I know that any mandate to feed the blog, as it were, has been thrown off, which is understandable.

But I will echo roughly what max said: the idea that front page posters might be deliberately avoiding posting political subject matter is a bummer.


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286: If there ever were any significant number of political threads, they were before my time or I wasn't paying attention.

Good God, what about John Emerson v. World? And yes, any number of threads about Iraq in any old year, really. The 2008 elections... last year's relatively small number of health care threads. And so on and so on. (Granted, when B was here, feminism also popped up a lot, but then the personal is the political or so I am told.)

287: Comments is free, dude, freer than before now that this is the anomie & ennui blog.

Is this the anomie and ennui blog now? Bugger.

max
['Why do I have the feeling that if the D's tank in the election we'll have lots of threads about What the Democrats Should Do Now? Or is it We're All Going to Die, Might As Well Ignore It from here on out?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 6:53 PM
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How about "We're All Going to Die, Let's Figure Out How to Go Down Swinging?"


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290: I'd think it's then a question of who's going to be going down swinging.


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John Emerson v. World

I hope they make that into a movie.


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Imagine there's no Black-Scholes
It's easy if you try


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 7:50 PM
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I hope they make that into a movie.

I hope they make it in 3D animation. I'm thinking Pixar.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 8:28 PM
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uhm, hello?
somebody talk about this,kay?
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/04/prop8ruling.pdf


Posted by: queeracademic | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:11 PM
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Other thread, QA.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-10 10:19 PM
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We have more than one thread? Extraordinary.

There are two kinds of people in this world: people who cope with anxiety by avoiding the source of anxiety, and people who cope with anxiety by endlessly analyzing the source of anxiety to no good purpose. As a member of the latter group, I'd be happy to have a thread on how the oceans about to die.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 5:13 AM
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Just caught up with this thread, and I have some extremely timely and important things to say:

1) Brock is wrong.
2) 293 is funny.
3) The threads are what the commenters make them. If certain commenters want more political discussion, they should make it happen. See, for a recent example, the discussion of Prop 8 in the magnet thread. As Louis C.K. might advise, stop whining that the front page posters aren't catering to your every personal whim.
4) Re: 158, best of luck Thorn!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 6:04 AM
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Thank you, M/tch.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 6:21 AM
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I feel like a dick if I take a non-politics thread and veer it off into politics.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 8:00 AM
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300: You shouldn't. But if you can't overcome that feeling, then submit a guest post.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 8:02 AM
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Don't stop feeling your dick on our M/tch's account.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 10:32 AM
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'Cuz if you're like me, your own dick-feeling account is way overdrawn.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 1:00 PM
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298(1) to 285?


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 1:04 PM
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293 is indeed funny. B-school would have sucked less if I had known some good Black-Scholes jokes.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 1:24 PM
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304: 298(1) to your dick.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:07 PM
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-r


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:08 PM
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I'm not sure what I've done to you, M/tch, but you seem to be directing a lot of subtle hostility towards me today.* Is something wrong?

*Not for the first time, but today even moreso than usual.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:15 PM
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Is something wrong?

Well, you're wrong about the LWLLJB site. But other than that, no.

My apologies if I've been overly hostile to you, I'm mostly just funning. The damn emotican ban prevents that from being clearer.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:23 PM
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See, in real life, M/tch paints smiley faces on old cans of beans and then holds them up to express emotion.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:25 PM
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The damn emoticon ban! Gets me every time.


Posted by: Brock Landers | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:25 PM
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emote you can't, more like.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:26 PM
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Since there seems to be a higher than normal amount of interpersonal tension today, I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize to anyone I have offended because they were too stupid to know I was joking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:30 PM
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You're all banned.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:31 PM
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You're all canned.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:33 PM
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Yes, we canned!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:36 PM
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313: Thanks, Moby!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:36 PM
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I would like to apologize to everyone I've offended by riding around on my Megayacht while wiping my ass with Faberge eggs.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:39 PM
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That sounds as if it would mostly offend your ass.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:41 PM
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317: Comity!


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 2:46 PM
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319: Mortification of the flesh. Halford takes his apologies seriously.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 3:16 PM
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My sister and her girlfriend have been playing a game on the streets and subway cars of NYC for years: "Lesbian or small boy?"


Posted by: Elizamuqin | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 3:45 PM
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322: Just another example of lesbians flouting their privilege to perv on young boys. Sheesh.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 4:28 PM
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I'd like to apologize to all the young dudes.


Posted by: David Bowie | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 4:54 PM
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Everyone's apology is accepted. Just try to do better.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 5-10 6:33 PM
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