Re: For your seeglobes and soundholes.

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"fauxface" is nice.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:05 PM
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Not all of the innovations are as successful, unfortunately. The writer or writers is or are no Andrew Hussie.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:06 PM
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I mean, it hardly seems apt to say that the corpse of the bunny baby "unlived" on Morgan's plate. It was there, and it wasn't alive, I grant.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:08 PM
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Plus he isn't "haberdashed".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:09 PM
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And as for you, Stanley, you ought to know that a soundhole is something else entirely.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:11 PM
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4: Yeah, what was with that?

It made me think of "Uncleftish Beholding", but far less consistent in its weirding of language, and thus less clever.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:14 PM
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I thought it was cute. It's kind of takes effort to pay attention to it, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:15 PM
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It seems that the film was created based on an existing piece of writing, so arguably the error is in the visuals rather than the narration. However, it's obvious that Morgan M. Morgansen wouldn't do something so gauche as to sit down to dinner with a lady whom he is attempting to lothario while wearing a hat, so the ultimate error lies with the author.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:16 PM
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5: What's a soundhole? I included it out of fond memory of a dead record store in Richmond named just that.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:17 PM
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It varies from person to person. Whatever they talk out of.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:18 PM
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An f-hole is a special case of 'soundhole', I think.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:19 PM
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(I love "Uncleftish Beholding". Some members of the U of C Russian Choir apparently developed a way of speaking, which they callled "Hyde Park English", in which different intervallic relationships are assigned to different parts of speech (or something; it was only ever explained to me twice or so and it was a while ago and I never heard it myself) in some way that made multiple-person recitations of the selfsame text sound really awesome, and it worked especially well with Germanic vocabulary. Uh, so I mention this because it was suggested to me a while ago that "UB" would be fun to hear read aloud in it. Then I found two dollars, which would be about five dollars in today's money.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:19 PM
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Essear is right.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:19 PM
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What's a soundhole?

About two cups.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:20 PM
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I had no idea.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:21 PM
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Ach, nose-flow would quibble all the fun out of the language.

I'm going to start trying to work "personette" and "front-cushions" into my everyday speech. They aren't the most innovative neologisms in the piece, but they will make a good starting point.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:21 PM
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I'm going to start trying to work "personette"

Sexist.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:23 PM
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The single best sentence in "Uncleftish Beholding" is "Down among the unclefts, things do not happen in steady flowings, but in leaps between bestandings that are forbidden."

16: It's not just "fauxface" that I esteemed, you know; it's just that that's the only one I mentioned.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:23 PM
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Pretty good, but a little strained. The quaint / old-fashioned romantic element became less convincing for me when they hopped into bed on the first date.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:29 PM
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Ach, nose-flow would quibble all the fun out of the language.

Wenn manche mystische Kunstliebhaber, welche jede Kritik für Zergliederung, und jede Zergliederung für Zerstörung des Genusses halten, konsequent dächten: so wäre Potztausend das beste Kunsturteil über das würdigste Werk. Auch gibts Kritiken, die nichts mehr sagen, nur viel weitläuftiger.


Posted by: Friedrich Schlegel | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:29 PM
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And so to bed.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:30 PM
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Oh, Stanley worked in the sexist. Good. I personally thought the whole thing was sexist as hell.

max
['Really how condescending can you be?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:31 PM
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22: On the other hand, I was thinking "hey! it's a much more fully-realized female character than in (500) Days of Summer!"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:36 PM
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19: I bet some people had sex on the first date back in the day.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 10:39 PM
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Inglourious Basterds tonight

Tarentino is a sociopath. Batshit insane.

That is all.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-17-10 11:07 PM
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There's a sequel. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a pretty good actor, especially with ultra-stylized material like this and Brick. Manic was also very good.

P.S. I missed the sexism.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 4:40 AM
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Nah. McManus contra the false Joycean Kaufmann, I think all languages should look like German, but these mashups subtract meaning rather than add. "Facehole" and "waxsticks" sound ignorant and alien.

Caught Gordon-Levitt in a movie based on an Elmore Leonard novel the other night, Killshot. Thomas Jane (so sad about the divorce), Diane Lane, Mickey Rourke, writer and director with admirable histories, yet an still unrelieved disaster, travesty, offense to mankind, abomination, neologisms are needed to describe this crime. No, no one or nothing rose about the group failure. Two years of reshoots didn't help. Lane temporarily retired from show business in embarrassment.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:10 AM
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I think all languages should look like German

That's easy. Print them in Fraktur. Do you want them to sound like German too?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:17 AM
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With all the hyphens this was either written by Moby Hick or T. Herman Zweibel.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:24 AM
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22: But Stanley was just calling me sexist. Which is a fair cop, given that I lit upon "personette" and "frontcushions" as the words to work into my vocabulary. Sometimes I forget the justhavings of personettes when my seeglobes fix on their frontcushions. Its an issue I'm working on.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:38 AM
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25: The movie is crap. Unless you like over the top gore and stupid plots, in which case I recommend The Machine Girl as a complement.

Semi on-topic, The Lookout is fantastic.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 8:33 AM
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stupid plots

The film totally fell apart from me at the film screening near the end. All those top Nazi officials in the same dark theater? Weren't they intensely paranoid about that sort of thing? Every time I bring this up, I'm told I'm ruining the movie.

There's also a fat amount of "America rulez; Europe droolz" tone to the film.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 9:48 AM
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32: I haven't seen the movie, but I gather that realism, or even remote plausibility, wasn't really the point.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 10:01 AM
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I would really have liked to see a film with Colonel Landa and Shoshanna and Archie Hickox in occupied Paris. A really good, complex, noirish Resistance film. Lots of doublecrosses and double-agents; lots of derring-do with Sten guns and PE2 and B2 radios. And I reckon Tarantino would be the man to make it.

Trouble is, when he tried, it got hijacked by some weird Eli Roth thing about cartoon GIs beating up Nazis with baseball bats and killing Hitler.

It's like "The Great Escape" - which is a really tight, well-cast, fairly downbeat British ensemble war film, just like so many made in the 50s and 60s (The Dam Busters, The Cruel Sea, Ice Cold in Alex, The Longest Day) that inexplicably has Steve McQueen in the middle of it, having wandered onto set from a nearby sixties teen movie and escaping "disguised", as Eddie Izzard memorably put it, "as an American man".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 10:10 AM
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32-34:Exactly, IB isn't about WWII. IB isn't even really about WWII movies. It is about movie making and myth making.

Somebody compared it to Roy Lichtenstein or Warhol.
Rauschenberg did not sculpt a goat;Johns did not paint a flag. This is not a pipe.

QT is the descendant of Hitchcock, who could throw ridiculous incoherent stuff like the plane and cornfield into NbN. It didn't matter to Hitch what the MacGuffin was, what the plot was, who the villain was. Sheer technique created the desired effect/affect.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 10:44 AM
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Maybe, maybe...

Revenge of the Giant Face kills Big Brother.

There is substance and heart in QT's work. It is just meta.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 10:49 AM
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Make that meta and visceral

QT is about the images, setting up the images, lulling you and boring you so the images rip out your bowels.

Witty repartee in North by Northwest? Nah, plane in field, climbing around Mt Rushmore, pulling into upper bunk.

Words, character, plot...print stuff. Film is about images and editing. (and sound)


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 11:01 AM
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Somebody compared it to ... Warhol.

They must have had Blow Job in mind.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:12 PM
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Make that meta and visceral

I think that gets QT right. It's an odd combination.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:18 PM
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There is substance and heart in QT's work

Certainly in his soundtracks; I had a brilliant idea for a campaign ad highlighting McCain's putative centrism in light of his support of the torture regime. It involved the lyrics, Clowns to the left of me/ jokers to the right etc... and wasn't actually that brilliant.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:31 PM
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Words, character, plot...print stuff. Film is about images and editing. (and sound)

This is why His Girl Friday is a mainstay of "worst films" lists.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:39 PM
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The only reason anyone still watches that is the great hat she's wearing for most of it. Images.

Without the hat, no movie.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:48 PM
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And of course the line "You look like that fellow from the movies, what's his name, Ralph Bellamy" wouldn't work in print.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:52 PM
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41:Try reading the script to yourself and getting the same result. Faces count.

AUFS

Kant famously argues that we have no access to the things themselves unmediated by the a priori structures of human experience (most notably time and space). In the Kantian reading of Derrida, he repeats this move but with the proviso that the structure of human experience is fundamentally linguistic in character. Drawing from structuralist linguistics, he specifices that this means human experience is structured by relations with no positive terms, such that the Kantian a priori structures of time and space become deferral and difference, respectively -- or, generalizing to a more fundamental principle, human experience is structured by differance. [A note: I've always been annoyed that the standard translations leave this term in French. Simply misspelling the English word seems better to me.] The thing itself is always, as it were, in retreat from us, and we will never catch up -- all we can know is the trace that ultimately points to its perpetual absence.

Language conceals rather than reveals. (I realize that could be a hard sell in this crowd.) "Meta-" is about understanding the ways language conceals. (You could use Freud here, ego hides i from superego)

But QT writes his dialogue (and edits, etc) to create the tension of the cathartic image (primal scene) withheld.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 12:54 PM
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41:Try reading the script to yourself and getting the same result.

Also, you can get hurt trying to do the bit where she tackles the guy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:01 PM
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In any case, most of the fun in MGF is the doublethink, where the principals are trying to use language to conceal and reveal what is visually obvious. The gender play is why Grant/Russell is miles above the Front Pages.
One long flirt.

Also:Shakespeare, Wm. many examples

Language conceals.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:07 PM
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42: You're right. They talk really fast, and I can never keep up. So, I just relax and enjoy the hat.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:10 PM
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Language conceals.

What is that sentence concealing, bob? That language also reveals?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:11 PM
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48:What, you want the exoteric meaning? That would be telling.

Language reveals, unintentionally

As Lacan says, all the important stuff is in what isn't said.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:17 PM
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Try reading the script to yourself and getting the same result. Faces count.

We don't need dialogue. We have faces.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:20 PM
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How can the gods meet us face to face till we have faces? We have only masks and veils.

Back to QT and how he works:

The Leone/Morricone opening does not give us a Leone closeup.

Landa and Zoller (also Raine and Mimieux) do not show anger or menace, even in the eyes, until the revelation becomes an expressive public act.

QT is always about the "payoff" postponed and even withheld. Where was the thrill of Carradine walking 10 feet and falling down?

The payoff of IB was not the fiery 50-ft face but the basterds looking at us at the end. And the Basterds were what the movie was about, contra those who thought them superfluous.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:41 PM
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We have only masks and veils.

Also sexy nurse costumes and a huge variety of fake teeth.


Posted by: Opinionated Halloween Retail Operation | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:44 PM
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One of those seasonal Halloween costume shops has already opened here. I thought they were a bit optimistic opening so early, but maybe Halloween's going to be big this year or something.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:46 PM
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53: Or the economy is so bad that renting space is dirt cheap.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:50 PM
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As Lacan says, all the important stuff is in what isn't said.

Love means never having to say you're sorry. That wasn't Lacan, my friend, that was Ali MacGraw and Ryan O'Neal.

Speaking of Lacan; after Picasso spurned Dora Maar for Françoise Gilot, Lacan was the psychiatrist to whom Picasso and Paul Éluard sent Maar. No doubt that was comforting.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 1:56 PM
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55.2: She should have come to my store for a sexy french maid costume. She'd get Pablo or somebody new before the first keg is out.


Posted by: Opinionated Halloween Retail Operation | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 2:00 PM
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I just got invited to a bachelor party. The plan is to travel from Virginia to Chicago in "December, January, or February". Sometimes, I question the wisdom of my friends.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 2:06 PM
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Buy a sexy maid costume for Halloween and then wear it again at the bachelor party!


Posted by: Opinionated Halloween Retail Operation | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 2:08 PM
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41:Try reading the script to yourself and getting the same result.

Wow, seeing a movie ≠ reading its script! Learn something here every day; keeps me coming back.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 3:39 PM
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59:Congrats, you have learned that film is not entirely a verbal medium. You can now help Blandings.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 4:26 PM
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I am a fan of neologisms and wordplay. I wanted to like this a lot, and sometimes I did. It illustrates, for the first half or so, how arbitrary (at best) our language is. At worst, it's intended to obfuscate, as Bob says.

And I could have bought this as an exercise in what would happen if language had evolved differently, more literally. I didn't think it was an improvement, on the whole. See-globes? really?

Unfortunately, the whole alternate reality thing got skewered when I realized they were telling the same old story about how men eat "baby bunny, bleeding" and women cry over their "herbivory assumption" or somesuch. And then they have sex.

If they could have also told an interesting story in the midst of this verbal exercise, I would've been more impressed.


Posted by: wrenae | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 5:52 PM
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Wrenae!


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 5:55 PM
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60: You can now help Blandings.

Yes, yes I will. His comments clearly show that he has precisely this misunderstanding. I'm thinking I'll demonstrate it with shadow puppets at some future meet-up.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 6:08 PM
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Helpy-chalk!

I miss AWB. Has she been around lately?


Posted by: wrenae | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 6:33 PM
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Unfortunately, the whole alternate reality thing got skewered when I realized they were telling the same old story about how men eat "baby bunny, bleeding" and women cry over their "herbivory assumption" or somesuch. And then they have sex.

Also, is it not the case that the man in this video eats the woman's dinner?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 6:43 PM
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64: She seems to be around as much as ever, I think. She just got back to NY from traveling, so that may have slowed down the commenting.

65: He eats the side dishes for his own entrée.

I rather like the fact that the video is not an exercise in alternate language evolution. Its just people talking funny. I like it when people talk funny.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 6:51 PM
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I like it when people talk funny.

What do you mean talk funny? What do you mean, you mean the way we talk? What? You mean, let us understand this cause, ya know maybe it's us, we're a little fucked up maybe, but we're funny how, I mean funny like we're clowns, we amuse you? We make you laugh, we're here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How are we funny?


Posted by: People | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:13 PM
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I'm thinking I'll demonstrate it with shadow puppets at some future meet-up.

What, no puppets unless you hit six people or something?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:18 PM
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The way you talk is funny.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:18 PM
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68 was me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:29 PM
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69 is correct.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:30 PM
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68: Nope, just need to be in the presence of someone who needs to be educated on the visceral impact of images.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 7:44 PM
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I suppose if you thought the original video was sexist, you should see the sequel linked in 26.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 8:29 PM
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Sometimes I like to just look at a movie's poster. With my dick.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 8:34 PM
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"eleventeenth" is like the twenty-first, right?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 8:42 PM
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"disimpressed" is NOT an acceptable substitute for "unimpressed"! I liked "upover" for "sky" but as with the original many of the changes have been made without thought.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 8:44 PM
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Also, Destiny is not masticating anything.


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77: Then she's likely to have esophagus or stomach problems before long.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 9:23 PM
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You can get by just fine in this world without mastication.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 9:35 PM
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Sure, if you eat oatmeal and smoothies. But, at least for me, even relatively soft foods like pasta rake my innards if I don't chew at least a bit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-18-10 9:38 PM
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