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I've heard better Supertramp covers, actually. Still, it's cool that they chose to use my house for the video.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 7:33 PM
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Dude, I lived there and I never saw you. Maybe you were chained up in the basement? Anyway, the place is still for sale.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 7:51 PM
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My childhood home is apparently too obsure for the Arcade Fire video to find. Does that give me indie cred?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:22 PM
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Wow. That was depressing.

max
['It's still hip to be suicidal, isn't it?']


Posted by: max | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:34 PM
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3: Same here. Google maps not only doesn't have street view for my parents' house, they can't even find my parents' address in the regular view. It's a named street and everything! (An improvement from my childhood, when we had a box number along Rural Postal Route 1.)


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:34 PM
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It got the house in Albuquerque where I spent most of my childhood just fine. (The trees at the end were pretty weird in that context.) The trading post where we lived before that, not so much; when I began to type it in it only recognized the community, which is admittedly something, and I didn't actually have enough desire to see the thing again to see what would happen if I entered just that.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:39 PM
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I just ran it with my apartment from six years ago. Eh. Does it go on much past the part where they ask you to write a postcard to your former self? With no running time bar, I couldn't really judge whether I wanted to stick it out for however much longer it was going to go on, so I gave up.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:48 PM
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No, that part's pretty close to the end.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:51 PM
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It has been reaffirmed for me that I am not Arcade Fire's target audience.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 8:54 PM
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I hadn't heard of Arcade Fire before this, which is O.K. as they apparently haven't a clue as to what my childhood home looks like.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 9:03 PM
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Is it worth downloading Chrome to watch it? It warned me that I wouldn't be seeing the optimized jim-jam in Firefox, but, I mean, I saw stuff. Like my childhood home. And other from Google maps. Not knowing whether it's worth the Chrome version is kind of annoying me.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 9:08 PM
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^stuff


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 9:09 PM
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Their stuff totally works on me, and I really did enjoy putting in an old street address and watching it spin the camera. Something about Arcade Fire slots perfectly into a gap in my brain such that I am a complete pushover for anything they do. If that is too earnest and/or lame of me, well, it's probably not even the first time today.


Posted by: Robust McManlyPants | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 9:28 PM
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The Chrome version is not much more better than the Firefox version.

My childhood home isn't on street view, so I ran it with the home of a friend with whom I spent summers; his house was shielded by a hedgerow, but when it switched to the aerial view I saw the river at the edge of his backyard and it landed hard.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 9:53 PM
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I don't know why it amazes me that JMQ is from Waverly, NY but it does.

I live 6 minutes from my childhood home and go there all the time, which kind of dulls the romance.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 10:50 PM
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Do you know it? We moved to VT on my twelfth birthday, so I'm only sorta from there, but I have strong, fond memories of that house. I'd be tempted to buy it if there were a better reason than mere nostalgia.

Tangentially related, the other day I was talking to our newish neighbors three doors down and learned that in the 90s they both taught at my high school (in Hinesburg, VT), and the guy also taught at my wife's high school (in Corvallis, OR). What are the chances?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 11:00 PM
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I can't seem to watch the video and I can't say I'm sorry.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 11:41 PM
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The latter condition has caused a lot of problems in my life, but the friends I'm left with understand.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-31-10 11:44 PM
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I was led to expect something more interesting from Arcade Fire, whom I hadn't heard, but the song is forgettable.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 12:02 AM
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Actually, I really like football the new Arcade Fire album.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 12:06 AM
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My (low) opinion of Arcade Fire is on record. Also, Mumford and fucking Sons, who were on telly last night and sounded like the fucking Levellers.*

* the shit band, not the 17th century political movement, which would, I admit, be much more interesting ...


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 12:20 AM
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That's a well done production, and an impressive display of what can be done in a modern web browser. The interactive aspect is alluring.

I hate the idea of the Arcade Fire (whiny hipsterism for poor little white kids) but like Robust I am powerless to resist them. I doesn't help I'm in a maudlin mood at the moment. I'm a few weeks away from handing in my PhD, and also a few weeks from having a second kid. One has taken far too long to produce. Childhood is the time when everything is potential. I'm reminded that I might have missed my opportunity to turn that potential into something. Sure sucks.


Posted by: W. Breeze | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 1:21 AM
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Also, Mumford and fucking Sons,

I only know the one song that gets played on the radio, but it drives me fucking up the wall. The "Hush little Lion Man" one.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 5:37 AM
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I'm a few weeks away from handing in my PhD, and also a few weeks from having a second kid.

Imminent congratulations! Good times!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 5:38 AM
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I keep trying to like Arcade Fire, and I put it on and don't *dislike* it, but it just doesn't hold my attention. So by the second or third song, I change it to something else.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 6:10 AM
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After telling me that I have the wrong browser, that google doesn't know Geneva well enough for perfect viewing, and that this will use lots of processor speed, the damn thing just starts opening mini windows one after another like one of those old school pop-up hell sites.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 6:16 AM
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It's hard to go home again.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 6:18 AM
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It's odd that there isn't a Google view of my not-so-rural-anymore childhood street, while my Grandmother's town, which is in the middle of bumfuck nowhere even more so now than when I was a kid, is mapped and recorded in detail.

I'm reminded that I might have missed my opportunity to turn that potential into something.

Sure, if you hadn't spent your time raising kids and earning a Phd, you might be President now, or curing cancer, or doing something really useful with your life!


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:14 AM
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re: 25

I sort of feel that way for the first one, but after a second or third it starts to really annoy.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:25 AM
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I might have missed my opportunity

Paul Levy did his best work in his fifties, and Elizabeth Cotten was cleaning houses before she got recorded in her sixties. And that was years ago, when people decayed quickly and died young more often. Don't be so quick to write yourself off, everybody feels gloomy and fatalistic while too busy in midlife, it's transient.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:28 AM
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I'm reminded that I might have missed my opportunity to turn that potential into something.

And Mary Wesley to you.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:40 AM
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The Marquis de Sade published Justine when he was 51 (and old enough to know better).


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:48 AM
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Elizabeth Cotten was cleaning houses before she got recorded in her sixties

Specifically, the Seeger family's ancestral home, which gave her a bit of an in with the folk music crowd.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:58 AM
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He was old enough to know better, but he couldn't resist it when it happened to him.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 10:41 AM
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16: Not from there, but I've spent every summer not too far from there since I was a kid, and am a big fan of the (former) NY Route 17.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 11:41 AM
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Oh right, that's come up before. So if you've been through Waverly on the old 17, you've been by the house.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 12:10 PM
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I'm with Apo on Arcade Fire, though I did think the video was fun. I'm also on record as loving Mumford and Fucking Sons, though I don't really hear the Levelers connection.

ttaM, is it something about those bands in particular or do you generally like things anthemic and earnest? How you feel about, say, Frightened Rabbit or The Frames?


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:07 PM
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I only know the one song that gets played on the radio, but it drives me fucking up the wall. The "Hush little Lion Man" one.

How do you feel about the Avett Brothers' "I and Love and You"?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:13 PM
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Unsurprisingly, I've seen a lot of this, since I work in the vicinity of the Chrome engineers. But the address thing is strange for my childhood, since the house (triple-decker) I lived in as a child has been moved across the city, and there's now a large university building in its place.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:24 PM
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"not like"


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 09- 1-10 9:41 PM
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How do you feel about the Avett Brothers' "I and Love and You"?

Can't stand it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 9:58 AM
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And here I find out that heebie-geebie and I don't actually have the same musical taste. Intriguing. We can still listen to Pit Bull together, though.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 10:17 AM
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Heebs is wrong yet again.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 10:25 AM
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I've got the definitive taste in music.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 10:29 AM
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The Mumford and fucking Sons thing is cracking me up - on our holiday we have spent a lot of time in the car and listened to a lot of music. On Tuesday we finally got round to the M&FS album - which C and Kid B really like, but I hadn't heard. Christ, I hated it. Kid C usually sits up front with us, and we sat there pulling faces and commenting to each other about how awful it was, until C got annoyed and turned it off. He likes the Levellers too.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 10:50 AM
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pulling faces

?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:05 AM
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You know, Stanley, like gurning.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:06 AM
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I think it's like "pulling shapes" while sitting down.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:20 AM
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42: FWIW, you and I apparently have a substantial overlap in musical taste. (I like both "I and Love and You" and "Little Lion Man", although it confuses me a bit that the latter is getting airplay on the local "modern rock" station.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:25 AM
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although it confuses me a bit that the latter is getting airplay on the local "modern rock" station

My theory is that Tough Rock Dudes like it, because they hear the lyrics as a guy putting another guy in his place. Sensitive Rock Dudes like it, because they hear the lyrics as a guy reflecting to himself.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:47 AM
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It's more the instrumentation that causes the confusion. I mean, *I* like string band music, but it's not a sound I would have expected to catch on with modern rock radio programmers.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 11:53 AM
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I love the style in indie rock where the song is almost disco and seemingly channeling Blondie. Some of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Metric and that "Solid Gold" song, and a bunch more songs like those. I love it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:02 PM
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52: That's more like it.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:04 PM
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I love the style in indie rock where the song is almost disco

I think this is what you're trying to say.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:11 PM
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I bet you don't.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:13 PM
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Do you like The Faint, heebers?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:16 PM
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Any songs of theirs I'm mostly likely to know?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:18 PM
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You bet I don't think that, or that I don't like disco? I do like quite a lot of disco, actually.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:19 PM
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58: But, do you love it?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:20 PM
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re: 55

I suspect Apo mostly brings the P-Funk.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:22 PM
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57: You've probably at least heard something off Danse Macabre. I bet you'd like 'em, and they were on my mind as Pandora recently reminded me of them.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:22 PM
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The lines between funk, soul, and disco can get pretty blurry.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:25 PM
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You bet I don't think that, or that I don't like disco? I do like quite a lot of disco, actually.

I assumed you didn't like it. I tend to assume our tastes are mutually exclusive, except that we hate the same things, like Christmas songs.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:25 PM
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I just listened to "I disappear" and "Agent Suicide" on youtube and they didn't grab me. Sorry, Stanster.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:26 PM
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64: I'm not personally hurt, I assure you. I just had the thoughts "heebie likes disco beats" followed by "band I recently recalled that uses disco-y beats" and figured I'd mention it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:28 PM
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Why so defensive?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:29 PM
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It's okay to show you care, Stanster.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:30 PM
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"Agenda Suicide" is one of the best songs of the decade.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:31 PM
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Huh, really?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:34 PM
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re: 62

Yeah. There's a lot of cross-over.

Speaking of soul, heard this on the radio the other day, and hadn't heard it before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xta_3jIiTSE

[probably my favourite female soul singer, ever]


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:36 PM
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Disco is fantastic. Who doesn't like disco? So weird.

Heebie, let me join the chorus of "hey what about this band?" by asking you about !!!


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:37 PM
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Who doesn't like disco?

Homophobes.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:38 PM
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Is !!! a band? What's their signature song? That's the least searchable band name ever.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:39 PM
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They often get billed as chk-chk-chk, for searchability reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaqQYetCH8U


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:42 PM
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[probably my favourite female soul singer, ever]

Mine too, and she's coming to town next weekend!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:43 PM
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I have a !!! CD in my list of music to buy, but looking back at the bookmark I can't remember what song prompted me to add it.

(heebie, you want to search for "chk chk chk". Why it's not "bang bang bang" I don't know.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:43 PM
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re: 75

The production on those singles, from that period, is always pretty spine-tingling too. Very jealous that you are going to see her. She's so much better -- so much better the comparison is ridiculous in many cases-- a singer than a lot of the much-respected big-name 'soul' artists.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:46 PM
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Why it's not "bang bang bang" I don't know.

Probably this.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:51 PM
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76.2: I always figured it was supposed to be pronounced as three alveolar clicks.


Posted by: Beefo Meaty | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:53 PM
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I listened to the one in 74 and the "When the going gets tough" one...I dunno. I have pretty conventional, poppy taste in music, I suppose.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 12:58 PM
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80: But isn't "I and Love and You" a pretty conventional poppy song? I think heebie only likes music she can dance to.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 1:16 PM
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I second the sentiment in 29 re: The Arcade Fire.

I've only ever, to my knowledge, heard one Mumford and Sons song. I believe the title is "Blank White Page". I absolutely hated it. The harmonies, the pomposity, the structure, and most especially the lyrics. It made me want Mumford and every last one of his sons to get hit with a pie in the face, followed by a chair. YMMV.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 1:28 PM
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I think heebie only likes music she can dance to.

If you'd ever seen heebie's ass, you'd understand.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 1:29 PM
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I think heebie only likes music she can dance to.

This is probably spot-on. I often describe music that I don't like as flaccid.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 2:48 PM
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According to Jackmormon you can dance to anything.


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84: You know, with respect to most of his ouevre, "Human Nature" is pretty flaccid. Just sayin'.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 3:01 PM
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I am as one with the Apostropher re the Arcade Fire. It's not that I really hate them, I just find them kind of boring and I don't really like their aesthetic or the hype surrounding them. As I think I've said here before, I've kind of used them as an excuse to turn off most recent white people indie music, which is probably to my own detriment. But so much recent stuff seems to suck in the same kind of not exactly bad, just boring way. I also find The National super boring -- not bad, exactly, just incredibly boring.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 3:02 PM
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the hype surrounding them

It's true that I probably wouldn't find TAF nearly as annoying if everyone stopped gushing about them.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 3:04 PM
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It undoubtedly says something about the unbearably hipsterish nature of my social circle that I have a sort of automatic anti-anti-TAF reaction, because most of what I experience is friends doing excessive eye-rolling about them. Anyway, the gusty bus, as always.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 3:33 PM
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According to Jackmormon you can dance to anything.

That statement is good for a few moments' thought.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:11 PM
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There was a recent NPR segment that made me realize that top-40 music really is at a kind of all-time low right now (for my taste), what with autotune and glossy production and everything sounding like it could be a video game theme.

I do kinda like that "I'm in Miami trick!" song.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:17 PM
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OK, this list, which I just looked up, is pretty awesome. Somehow "I'm in Halifax trick!" just doesn't have the same force.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:19 PM
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88,89: Stanley gushes about TAF every morning.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:20 PM
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I do kinda like that "I'm in Miami trick!" song.

"[T]rick"?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:21 PM
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everything sounding like it could be a video game theme.

Which genre I predict will come to be viewed as one of the most significant and interesting of the late 20th century.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:32 PM
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That sounds pretty implausible to me. What is the video game theme song that you have in mind?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:46 PM
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Speaking of gumdrop pop, what's weirder: (1) that Taylor Swift has a line of greeting cards or (2) that I just bought one for my mom's upcoming birthday?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:46 PM
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I kinda sorta like Taylor Swift, I have to say.


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49: Avett Brothers will be playing at the Hardly Strictly Bluegrass festival in Golden Gate the first weekend of October for free, along with many other awesome bands. I can't go, because I have to be in a wedding. (The wedding is a good thing, but HSB always feels like SF's personal birthday present to me so I'm peeved about that.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:49 PM
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Me, too.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:49 PM
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Kobe to 98.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:49 PM
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I feel that Taylor Swift is not the worst thing that you could listen to. But to my ear her voice does not measure up against other female country singers.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:52 PM
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But I love The National (great in concert! Alligator is my favorite album of theirs - I'm not as big of a fan of Boxer), so I probably can't be trusted. And I enjoy Arcade Fire.


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It's not like I'm saying she's Emmylou Harris or anything, I just find something moderately appealing about her.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:55 PM
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104: Oh, I know. But as previously stated in these forums (embarrassingly enough), I listen to a lot of contemporary country (and alt country and old stuff, etc) and while I like her songs her inability to hit the notes begins to wear thin, especially when you're consistently hearing her next to far superior singers. (And I'm very forgiving about bad singing - cf. love of The National, hers just bothers me for some reason.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:57 PM
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Alligator is my favorite album of theirs

I think I first heard "City Middle" from a mix someone posted here, and then I listened to it to death for a while. That's a really nice album. I've been totally unable to get into High Violet.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 4:59 PM
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I thought The National were highly engaging live. The multi-instrumentalist guy in particular, just fascinating to watch work. It was also at The National, which, come on, that's kinda rad. Also, the concert was during a less-jaded age, pre-election 2008, so when the singer dedicated "Mr. November" to "Barack", it still gave you warm tinglies.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 5:02 PM
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Me too! There are elements that I feel like I should like a lot, but I can't just put it on repeat and go, as with Alligator. (Which I have listened to so much that if it was a physical copy it would probably no longer play.)


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I think Stanley and I saw them around the same time. I found them fascinating to watch as well.


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(And, I, uh, normally get bored in concerts. Just saying. I have no ability to just sit and listen.)


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Wooo, serial commenting!


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You know, with respect to most of his ouevre, "Human Nature" is pretty flaccid. Just sayin'.

I make exceptions for good flaccid songs. Duh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 5:10 PM
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Pandora is reading this thread(!); it just started playing "Agenda Suicide".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 6:11 PM
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96: That sounds pretty implausible to me. What is the video game theme song that you have in mind?

Banjo-Kazooie. Slightly more seriously, the prediction is for 50-100 years from now. Not sure what particular music will survive (I like various things from Zelda, Final Fantasy, Halo and stuff I don't even know where it is from), but I think the progression through various technology constraints plus the tie in to interactivity and mood will be viewed as pushing the music in interesting ways (and will probably focus on the even earlier simple stuff than I what mention).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 6:38 PM
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114: The chiptune version of "The World Has Turned and Left Me Here" on this album certainly always makes me happy.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 6:42 PM
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I knew one of the National guys in college, and caught them a couple of times on the way up, including once in the back room at the Knitting Factory with all of a dozen other people in the audience. It was great to see their last tour, in the great big Wiltern. Alligator's my favorite.

52 is very different from 54.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09- 2-10 6:53 PM
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