Re: Things that hurt to read

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You might as well crawl back under the covers now.

To cheer you up, I offer the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 9:40 AM
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That hurts to watch.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 9:52 AM
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urple!


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 9:56 AM
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To cheer me up, I cite from the Wiki article on Clarence Darrow

In an effort at comity, blockquoted section deleted.

Speaking of Altgeld, Labor Day 1894 from Brad DeLong. Long DeLong. A section of Slouching Towards Utopia


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:01 AM
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Wait, Urple? Is this a reversion to an old pseud, or an accidental reversion, or someone new who didn't know we used to have an Urple? Or has Urple's current identity (which, just in case something weird's going on, which it usually is, let's not mention explicitly) suffered a head injury due to acute food poisoning, and he's forgotten the last three or four years?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:04 AM
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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/09/05-0


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:19 AM
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6:By golly, I think I have been topped. That is the nastiest and most pessimistic analysis I have ever read, and I read Kunstler.

I am trying to be optimistic or neutral today, ttaM, dammit.

Goolsbee is another neoliberal. He has a few tweaks some of the other members of Team Obama don't have but at core he is very much more of the same. His selection puts someone even less liberal than Romer in at the CEA.
..."Hugh" in FDL Pres News Conf

But Goolsbee isn't that much worse than Romer. Okay, maybe he is. Whatever.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:40 AM
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6 is nastier than Kunstler because JHK is a) funny, b) metaphorical, and c) deterministic

6 actually dares to impute agency

Just over the top


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:49 AM
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I found 6 a refreshing read: he seems to think the damage will be limited to third world countries and the US.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 10:57 AM
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*Sigh*.

The Kochs.

This is maybe a weird issue to have with them, but what bothers me most is that they're trained as engineers. Both of them. It would be one thing if I could believe they were true believer kool-aid drinkers and they honestly believed they were helping the country, and the ends justified the means and all that. But...they're engineers, with more than a passing familiarity with complex systems, and in all of those the single most important factor determining outcome is the set of initial conditions (or the value of the underlying, or whatever you call it in the given context). I can't quite work out how you go from that basic knowledge (acknowledging that outcomes of human lives are, at best, imperfectly modeled, but whatever) to their apparent view of social justice.

"I worked really hard, and then my father left me 300 million dollars. Hahaha."

They're just *assholes*.


Posted by: donaquixote | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 11:45 AM
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There was a claim floating around for a while that if a creationist claimed to have scientific credentials, it usually turns out that they are an engineer. This may have even been elevated to the status of a law, like Godwin's law.

A couple of different explanations were floated for this alleged phenomenon. A lot of the time, instances of this phenomena simply activated the typical disdain "real" scientists have for engineers. Some people postulated, though, that engineers are used to looking at things in terms of design, and thus are naturally drawn to the argument from design.

Something similar might go on with market fundamentalism. If you are used to thinking in terms of design, then the random behaviors of the market look like they serve a purpose, perhaps even a good one.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 11:59 AM
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That....actually make a whole lot of sense. Not totally drawn to the theory of complex interactions, so much as "what can we do about it."

Ok.

Still, though: assholes.


Posted by: donaquixote | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 12:06 PM
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I hope I'm not the only one who watched the video in 1 and thought: "LET'S GO LIVONIA!!!!"

I know I've said I didn't like humor involving embarrassment, but apparently my capacity for empathy in this case is much smaller than I'd suspected.

In related links,I also found the "perhaps it will be time to look for our cookies elsewhere" line hilarious.


Posted by: persistently visible | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 12:18 PM
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"LET'S GO LIVONIA!!!!"

HA! I didn't, but I should have.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 12:24 PM
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Something similar might go on with market fundamentalism. If you are used to thinking in terms of design, then the random behaviors of the market look like they serve a purpose, perhaps even a good one.

Quite Whig-ish, don't you think?


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 12:44 PM
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10: In my experience, engineers are dumb as rocks, and yet are convinced they are brilliant because they once solved a differential equation ten years ago.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 4:39 PM
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completely rehabilitated

I walked past a large poster today advertising a speech by F.W. de Klerk. I know he won the Nobel prize, but something in me flinched to see him out making money on the lecture circuit.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 4:50 PM
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Hm, the version i heard also included muslim jihadiis, and didn't have to do with design so much as just general craziness. something to do with belief that just following rules gives you a right answer (which might be more true of non-senior engineer)


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-10-10 5:39 PM
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It's called engineer's disease: every nutter or conspiracy loon on Usenet turned out to be some sort of engineer. Opinions differ on which flavour of engineer are the worst, but my bet is on computer engineers...

My theory is that these are usually people who are quite capable in their own field smart enough to see through the "lies to children" about evolution or whatever, but not smart enough to realise they don't know enough to get to the real truth. This makes them vulnerable to plausible looking bullshit. Usually got quite an ego as well, which doesn't help.

Scientists are not invulnerable to this either, but have slightly less of a bedrock convinction that what _they_ know _must_ be the truth.

Lawyers just don't care that much.


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 12:55 AM
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Martin!!!!! We dont like those kind of attacks here at Unfogged!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 4:52 AM
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Can we have some more Koch jokes here.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 5:31 AM
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I keep seeing the post title as 'things that hurt read.' Bleed over from another thread, I guess.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 5:59 AM
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From this week's NYT Magazine: Engineering Terror.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 7:44 AM
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Turned into a post, thanks.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 8:17 AM
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WaPo today has an article in which right wingers bitch about George Soros spending money to influence judicial elections. Very funny indeed if you are aware of the Kochtopus.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 8:29 AM
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uh, wasn't it already a post? the one right here?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 09-11-10 9:48 AM
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