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Oh, hey, what a great post!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:22 PM
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I detect sarcasm.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:23 PM
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I didn't write this post. I want everyone to know this.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:23 PM
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3: Yes, but do you have veneers?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:29 PM
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I have veneers of sophistication and erudition.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:37 PM
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Basically, a UMC grill?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:39 PM
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By which I mean that I had never heard of a dental veneer either.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:43 PM
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My brother-in-law was a dentist in Beverly Hills. He even had some movie star clients. According to him, dentists make the majority of their money on cosmetic procedures, none of which is covered by insurance. Which is why while MDs incomes are stagnant or declining, DDSs are continuing to rise.

In Re Katie Perry, I haven't seen gurlz wearing bikini tops and short cut offs, aka "Daisy Dukes". Sounds like more of a fashion for the interior of the country.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:46 PM
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Also just discovered with regard to Ms. Perry: her real name is Katheryn Hudson, a much better name for an artist!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:48 PM
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8.2: Obviously "Daisy Dukes" are native to the south. But, if I recall correctly, she wore shirts that were tied to hold them above the midriff and not a proper bikini top.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:49 PM
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Oh for god's sake, now I can't read this blog until this posting has faded into the past. Well alright not really, but I am highly suggestible where earworms are concerned, and already this one is plaguing me in that way only something catchy and awful to which one knows 12% of the words can do. Really though, things get lodged in my brain so easily. I can't go to Boston without getting "Always true to you (in my fashion)" on loop, nor lately can I eat at Pakistani Tea House without hearing the nightmare song from Iolanthe for several hours on the infernal stereo within.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 12:58 PM
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11: Huh. I'm pretty earworm-prone with a huge soft spot for gooey pop music, but I've found Katy Perry's music to be utterly un-earwormy for me.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:06 PM
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awfulplasticsurgery.com doesn't have anything on Katy Perry. goodplasticsurgery.com only has a claim that she had a boob job. Which, eh, could be, but I'm not 100% convinced by the photos.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:11 PM
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I'm relieved to see nosflow officially disavow authorship of this post, because wow. Syntax is contagious, people!


Posted by: Rah | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:14 PM
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13: I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who spends much of the work day thinking about Katy Perry's chest.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:34 PM
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I'm not the only one who spends much of the work day thinking about Katy Perry's chest. engaged in media criticism.

FTFY.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:39 PM
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Your way makes it sound inappropriate.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 1:44 PM
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Yeah, criticizing a woman's body is not very PC, neb. Admiring is probably still allowed, if done quietly.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:06 PM
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13:Who would claim to have grown those, who had not? Her figure would be barely credible on a mudflap.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:19 PM
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Her figure would be barely credible on a mudflap.

Mudflap gurlz, they're unbelievable
Massive breasts, a hairdo that flops
Profile legs so thin they'll break at first step
oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh

Cue trucker rap.



Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:26 PM
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trucker rap.

Kid Rock and Bubba Sparxx.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:29 PM
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I can't go to Boston without getting "Always true to you (in my fashion)" on loop

Could be worse. For me it's "Rock and Roll Band".


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:32 PM
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22: as earworms go, it's very benevolent. But absolutely unavoidable, as my friends live right by Back Bay and I sometimes even leave from the Back Bay station and then there I am humming to myself about the boss of Boston Mass whos pass is middle class and not Back Baaaaaaaaay.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:49 PM
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Benign. Not benevolent. I am not having the best day with the things called words.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:50 PM
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And then there's "Dirty Water".


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 3:51 PM
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23: Blossom Dearie skips that verse, and, for whatever reason, that is the version in my head. But my motto has always been, "If a Harris pat means a Paris hat, okay!"


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 4:01 PM
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Yesterday, I pulled up behind a car with a mudflap-like silhouette sticker. A pudgy middle aged bearded guy with a cap. Thought about following the driver home . . .


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 4:24 PM
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|| Speaking of imports, I've mentioned before the grand scheme by Exxon to ship huge machinery through here on the way from Korea to northern Canada. Ha, the plan has finally attracted some attention from Congress.|>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 4:46 PM
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28: You have a friend way over here in western OR, apparently. I saw that Minnick is trying to stall the plan, so where's Rehberg? (About whom I don't know much, but he seems to be an asshole.)


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As much as I despise Politico on principle, every now and then they write something delightful - something that illuminates my understanding of the world we live in. Today we find out that Christine O'Donnell is something of a Tolkein buff.

By itself, this is fascinating information, but my favorite part is where she insists on referring to Bilbo's mother by her married name, Belladonna Baggins. I wonder if Tolkein ever referred to her that way.

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Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 5:57 PM
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To answer my own question: Google book search tells me he never referred to her by her full married name. It also tells me that the author spells his name "Tolkien."

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Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:05 PM
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Oh hai guys it's another episode of "essear has consumed too much alcohol and will be hanging out in his office until such time as he feels competent to drive home."

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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:17 PM
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32: FUCKIN' A LET'S DO THIS THING!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:18 PM
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Also, why don't you keep a selection of brand-new crisp button down shirts in your desk drawer Don Draper style? Then you'd never have to leave work!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:19 PM
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34: I'm not entirely sure where to find a shower around here. I guess there's always the gym. But at least I'm less likely to vomit on myself than Don Draper.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:21 PM
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Since you're there, why not just do some drunk physics?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:22 PM
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36: No! If he does that we might all fly off the earth or spin into the sun!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:23 PM
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Don't be a negative Nellie, oud. What if he ended up giving us a limitless supply of free energy or finding the God particle? I say go for it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:27 PM
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I sat through 10 talks today and a dinner, I have no desire to think more about physics. Also I already was drunkenly accosting someone about how he was confused about the dim/ension of some mod/uli space, after dinner. No more of that. (Yes this is way over-Google-proofing but wevs.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:28 PM
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Who knew that theoretical physics was the last redoubt of the true playboy lifestyle. Jet-setting international travel for no discernable reason, cocktails at work in the early afternoon. Has anyone checked Essear's secretary for grope marks?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:31 PM
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40: We can't pin it on him. He's perfected groping-at-a-distance.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:32 PM
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Cocktails at work in the early afternoon sound awesome, but I think would be looked askance at. Maybe I can convince the professor who's leaving here anyway in a few months that it's a tradition worth starting.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:36 PM
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He's perfected groping-at-a-distance.

If there's one thing I never violate it's locality.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:40 PM
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Locality, maybe not, but what about your coworkers?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:46 PM
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I'll just leave that low-hanging fruit where I left it. At any rate, there are more important questions, like: is Stanley's use of a dash in the OP appropriate?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:58 PM
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He's perfected groping-at-a-distance.

How about spooky groping at a distance?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 6:58 PM
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43: Are you sure?


Posted by: John S. Bell | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:00 PM
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Can groping at a distance not be spooky?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:10 PM
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Chatroulette represents our species' most desperate attempt yet to achieve action at a distance.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:12 PM
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is Stanley's use of a dash in the OP appropriate?

Maybe!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:16 PM
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The more precisely we know the appropriateness of Stanley's use of a dash in the OP the less sure we are that Stanley actually authored the post. And vice versa.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:19 PM
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So, wait, these veneers give one's teeth the appearance of sort of glowing in the dark? (No, I haven't watched the Katy Perry video.)

I believe I'm off to do a Google image search for veneers, but I fear I'm going to be looking at pictures of furniture or something.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:21 PM
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51: I really did author the post, and I subsequently found something in the post I really wish I had changed prior to posting. And it's annoying me even this very minute.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:21 PM
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You could google "dental veneers", parsimon.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:22 PM
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For some reason it took me a while to realize that 'Chatroulette' was referring to 'conversation roulette' and that they hadn't named their webcam service 'cat roulette'.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:24 PM
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Further to 52: Okay, I don't really recommend doing that Google image search.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:25 PM
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53: You say you authored the post, nosflow says he did not; what is one to believe?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:25 PM
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I do have a veneer (long story which involved knocking out two of my teeth and chipping another, plus years---years!--of dental crap) and yes, those glow-in-the-dark teeth are probably veneers. Anyone you see with scarily perfect, scarily white teeth--which currently seems to include a large percentage of the people who appear on television--probably has them. Veneers are, relatively speaking, not that difficult, nor that painful, and you reach "perfect" a lot faster than messing around with braces and whitening and individual crowns. If I could, I would happily have gone back to my familiar friendly imperfect teeth, and I resisted the over-whitening trend, but there is no denying that my current dental effect is...very American. And whenever you see someone with creepily American teeth, veneers are likely the cause.


Posted by: Sydnew | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:32 PM
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I believe I used the wrong spelling of affect, and it's killing me.


Posted by: Sydnew | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:37 PM
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And whenever you see someone with creepily American teeth, veneers are likely the cause.

Current coffee consumption and past cigarette/snuff usage mean my teeth are as unamerican as you can get and still visit Arizona.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:39 PM
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59: It's your use of non-uniform, non-standardized dashes that will get you in trouble with the House Pedant.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:40 PM
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One hopes nosflow doesn't lose his yogurt over just a simple dash.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:45 PM
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Dash, dash! No space! The House Pedant approaches! A great crush of terror! Dash! Dash! But there's no space!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 7:50 PM
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Who knew that theoretical physics was the last redoubt of the true playboy lifestyle. Jet-setting international travel for no discernable reason, cocktails at work in the early afternoon. Has anyone checked Essear's secretary for grope marks?

When I think "groping", "jet set" and "dirty martini" I think Feynman all the way.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:01 PM
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My dinner is going to be so awesome, guys.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:08 PM
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Also, Stanley's dash seems fine.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:10 PM
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64: Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:20 PM
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Ned, don't let him talk to you like that. Kick his drunken ass into the cyclotron.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:22 PM
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WE BONGO. FOR THE WOMEN.


Posted by: OPINIONATED DRUNK RICHARD FEYNMAN | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:23 PM
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No, Feynman the asshole. Fuck it. Not drunk now, exhausted.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:23 PM
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Ned, you've got him winded. As soon as he starts to drop his fists, go for the head.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:25 PM
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Dinner: so awesome.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:32 PM
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I had a Greek salad for dinner. It had two fucking ginormous peperoncinis; those were awesome. Not nosflow's-dinner awesome, mind you, but awesome.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:34 PM
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I had a pork chop, seared in a cast-iron pan with aromatics (among which quartered fennel bulbs) and finished in the oven, pan-roasted potatoes, and crabapplesauce w/ marjoram. Soooooo good.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:40 PM
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I had crawdads. And when we ran out of crawdads, I had sand.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:41 PM
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How do you make a crabapple sauce? It sounds good other than the fennel.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:42 PM
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Actually, I had a baked potato. It tasted like a potato that had been baked. There were no aromatics, at least so far as I could tell.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:42 PM
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74, 75: Bad Jews!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:46 PM
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How do you make a crabapple sauce?

<unhelpful>Same way you make apple sauce, but with crab apples.</unhelpful>

Cut the flesh into bits; if you are more patient than me I guess you don't need to bother avoiding the seedy cores (and that will increase your yield). Simmer in very little water until soft; drain excess water; put through food mill. (Or food processor, but then you will want to get ensure there are no seeds, probably.) You can then stir in some herbs if you want it to be herby, or something sweet if you find it too tart. Or both, or yet other things!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:48 PM
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77: If you had butter and salt, that sounds fine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:49 PM
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#32. I'm glad I'm not the only one who Comments While Intoxicated.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:49 PM
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Ari's mom is aromatic.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:50 PM
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I had free but mediocre pizza. Law school so far seems to involve a lot of meals of precisely this stuff.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:50 PM
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79: Are just any crab apples edible?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:51 PM
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I didn't know you had decided to go to law school, Bave. I also didn't know that Mitch had decided to go to China.


Posted by: ari | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:53 PM
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I thought Mitch just found himself in China one day, without any overt act of will.


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:54 PM
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84: I'm just going to say "yes".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:55 PM
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Like they always say: when Apples gives you crabs, well, darn it, you should have known better than to have gone home with someone named Apples.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 8:58 PM
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I had krebinetter, homemade dill pickles, roasted sweet potatos with brown sugar, salad, and corn on the cob.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:01 PM
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From pictures, it looks like krebinetter is pan-fried meatloaf. Is this correct?


Posted by: Bave Dee | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:07 PM
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Google informs me that krebinetter = karbonader, and wikipedia that karbonader = "Een karbonade is een stuk klein vlees, gesneden van schouder of rug van varken, lam of kalf. De meeste in de supermarkt verkrijgbare karbonades zijn van varkensvlees. Het is een betrekkelijk goedkope vleessoort. Daar staat echter tegenover dat er vaak botstukken in zitten die als vlees moeten worden betaald.", which I take it means "A karbonade is a piece of small flesh, cut from the shoulder or rug or a pig, lamb, or calf. Most of the karbonade purchasable in the supermarket are of pig flesh. This is an exceedingly good fleshkind. Gibberish follows."


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:09 PM
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The impression I got from that one link on google must be wrong, then.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:10 PM
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Rehberg would never do anything to annoy or upset an oil company.

Salmon cooked on the grill wrapped in foil, and a spinach salad with bacon dressing.

Learned that parents of all the other high school kids let them smoke marijuana in their rooms. And often join them. We're in the running for history's worst monsters, or at least history's most pathetic geezers.


Posted by: CCarp | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:10 PM
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The ones I know are pan-fried, breaded pork patties.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:10 PM
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93.3: Totally. I mean, sending them out to the shed all furtive-like and not having the decency to join them? Sharing is caring, CC.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:12 PM
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Tonight I had a martini made from Scotch Bonnet pepper infused vodka, shaken and garnished with another Scotch Bonnet pepper. It was terrific, and then I drank too much water and was explodey, but only for a while.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:13 PM
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Come on, neb, make an effort at the gibberish. Clearly "tegenover" = "taken over", "botstukken in zitten" = "boots stuck in between", etc.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:14 PM
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(Google Translate's "On the other hand, there are many bones in it as meat to be paid" isn't really very enlightening.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:16 PM
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|| Forest Service too. What do you bet that it was some junior lawyer from New York City who thought up the argument that this narrow windy two lane is the Northwest Passage that Lewis and Clark were looking for?|>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:16 PM
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Kobe!


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:17 PM
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So today someone said "I don't have an agenda!" and it was a real effort to keep myself from blurting out "but all women have vagendas!"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:24 PM
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You were already drunk at that point, I assume.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:32 PM
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Sadly, no, and it's not the sort of thing I would have expected to feel compelled to say, so I blame this blog. But isn't it about time this place has an old-fashioned sexism thread?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 9:33 PM
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93.3 You are bad parents if you don't let your kids join you when you smoke week in your room.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:23 PM
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Carbonnade, at least in Belgium, is basically boeuf bourgignon made with beer instead of red wine.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:26 PM
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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:28 PM
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104: Week is a gateway drug. Next thing you know the kids are smoking eon.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:30 PM
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Ludicrously OT re sports: last September, I was in a much worse position, objectively, life-wise, yet felt better because of the Dodgers performance. Watching them lose to the Giants tonight makes me wonder why there aren't mass suicides in, say, Pittsburgh or Kansas City, and also how I personally survived the 1990s.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:44 PM
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Oh and now we have screen shots of fucking Nob Hill. Putting aside Boston, is there a more objectively loathsome city in America than fucking San Francisco?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:49 PM
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Los Angeles comes to mind.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:53 PM
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109: The City of Angels makes lots of shortlists, kemosabe.

(on preview: nospwned; posting for emphasis)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 10:55 PM
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Phoenix springs to mind, too.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:01 PM
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Phoenix does suck but at least isn't smug. Nosflow I believe grew up in Irvine and was the model for the lead character in the early 00s film "Orange County" so whatevs and Virginia? Are you fucking kidding me?


Posted by: Robert ahalford | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:15 PM
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Virginia is not a city, ahalford.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:19 PM
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It is in Nevada. But that city's pretty cool.


Posted by: Ahalford | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:20 PM
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Dodger.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:27 PM
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Karbonaatjes (always use a diminutive) are sort of the poor man's steak - cheap and can be quite good if the right kind is bought. But as the Wikipedia article mentions, since you pay for your meat by the weight and a karbonade has bones in it, you're paying for something you can't use -- and that's about as Dutch a complaint as you can get.


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 09-15-10 11:55 PM
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108: Well, there's the Steelers, but I don't know what the excuse is in Kansas City.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 12:34 AM
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What is a Katy Perry?


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I had a chocolate croissant and italial grapefruit soda for late lunch. my dad let me smoke openly with him when I got a homemade tattoo. his reasoning was, if you're old enough to get a tattoo while living in a state where it's illegal (NY but I don't know if it's been changed) you're old enough to smoke with. prior than that my brother and I had to pass the joint around without taking a hit. fucking irritating, since he knew we were smoking all the time. I started when I was 9. Jesus christ I don't know why I even tell these stories. if someone else were telling them, I'd be like, your family mobs deep, but, uh, it sounds like it was getting social service time. I never got the cops involved ever, no matter what. I was raised to hate and fear them, for one thing (and adult me thinks "well done on that one") and I was afraid my brother and sister and I would be split up. and fuck a bunch of foster care. if I have to deal with assholes, I'll deal with my family.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 1:47 AM
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119- a marketing concept.


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 2:02 AM
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I was afraid my brother and sister and I would be split up. and fuck a bunch of foster care.

On the basis of knowing a couple of sibling pairs who were taken into foster care, you made a good call there, so don't beat yourself up. Also, smoking grass isn't as bad for you as smoking tobacco (it was in the British Parmacopoeia for bronchitis until the middle of last century, ffs), but I don't think you should let young kids get tats - they'll want to change them too often.


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119- a thinly veiled marketing concept?


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 2:08 AM
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Our little fellow in foster care (Rowan, age 15, living in our state) just got his first tattoo during an AWOL episode this summer. My first thought on seeing it was that it could have been so much worse. And yet I hope he won't grow up to be someone who's always proud of having what he describes as "a baby Tony the Tiger" with a pistol in one hand and an outstretched middle finger on the other right there in full color on his bicep.

I do think both of the boys we deal with needed to be separated from their parents, that there was no way for theirs to become safe homes. But in both cases siblings have been separated, in both cases probably permanently, and I hate that. Both boys are to some degree parentified after being responsible for siblings and sickly older relatives from a very, very young age and I think this makes the separation from siblings even harder on them than it is for the siblings they want to protect. It sucks, and in general I think anything that can be done to keep kids out of foster care but still keep them safe is a better option. In theory, that's how the system works too, but it's so deeply broken.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 5:46 AM
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I fell asleep reading Scooby Doo to Joey. Molly woke me up to remind me that I hadn't eaten dinner. I had put some leftover potatoes in the microwave, but didn't have the chance to eat them before it was time to put the kids to bed. I heated the potatoes up for a third time and looked around for spices. I found a jar that we had purchased on a long bike trip 10 years ago that had water seep into it, so the spices were caked and chunky. I put a little on the potatoes anyway to see how it would taste. I felt vague nauseous afterwards and had two sliced of bread dipped in hummus to get the weird taste out of my mouth. The spices were thrown out.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 6:18 AM
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125. TMI. Way TMI.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znYJXIw2UKw

As the caption says: "The dangers of running clips of people with strong Scots accents without checking what they're saying."
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Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 6:22 AM
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a thinly veiled marketing concept?

a thin, veiled, marketing concept


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 6:27 AM
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OT: I saw jeggings IRL for the first time. The effect is memorable.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 6:27 AM
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128. I'm not those would meet the criteria for "veiled" in most traditions of Islamic scholarship. What does she look like unveiled? (don't answer that.)


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#106. As part of the Sonic Circuits Festival, Univers Zero is performing at the French Embassy on the 25th.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 7:17 AM
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130- fair enough.


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 7:21 AM
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124: I've been curious about your adoption plans -- I'm not really sure how to ask this, and don't answer if you find it nosy, but you're looking at adopting an older teen kid. How are you planning to handle the transition to adulthood, in terms of how long he'll live with you, paying for whatever tertiary education is appropriate, and so on? That all seems like stuff that would would be really tricky to negotiate on the basis of a two or three year relationship.


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124: We didn't go into this looking for older teens, but there's a need there and I'm not totally surprised it's where we've ended up. I have an online friend who fosters teens (until recently, gay teens exclusively) and she thinks the plus to bonding with a teenager is that they're supposed to be pushing away from their caregivers one minute and looking for support the next, so a child who's adapting to a new home isn't doing anything terribly different from his peers.

In our particular cases, I think what we'd push for is to prolong adolescence a bit. Because Lee teaches at a community college, her children will get tuition covered there (not that it's expensive anyway) and I think we'd push for that as a kind of extended high school. If Colton moves in with us, this will be his sixth high school in three years, and while he's a bright kid, that leaves a lot of educational gaps. Until Rowan went into care at age 13, he was always in the same local-to-us school system and was failed pretty spectacularly by it, for reasons his social worker and I suspect had to do with community disdain for his family. Both boys are in 11th grade, and neither would be ready for college in a year and a half.

The other factor, though, is that any child adopted at age 13 or up from care in the US is eligible for college aid as if he or she were still in foster care, basically. So when he fills out FAFSA forms, he'll do it with only his own income information, not ours. Both Rowan and Colton are from states where there's a policy that all state special-needs adoptions (so in these states, school-aged white kids, non-white kids starting younger, anyone with major emotional or physical needs) leave the adoptee eligible for free tuition at any state college. Colton would have to go back to his home state to take advantage of that as it's not transferrable, but it's one more option.

As far as how long he'd live with us, I don't know. I think these particular boys are both interested in having a home base for a while to come, but we'd have to play a lot by ear. I think any kind of parenting teens involves mixing letting them have their autonomy with giving them a safe resting place. As long as there's not serious criminal activity going on in our house and everyone who lives here is safe, I think we'd try to keep them in the home as long as they were willing to stay and I'd hope that would be past 18. They've both spoken favorably of examples of this that they've seen in their foster homes and so I know it's in the back of their minds, but it's hard to know what they'd do in reality. My 27-year-old brother left my parents' house at 18 or maybe even a little before but has since moved back in and will be leaving again soon. I don't know that I'd be deliberately signing on for 10 years with young men underfoot, but if that's what they need then we'll figure something out. Like most kids in care, they're simultaneously very old for their age in certain respects and very, very young in others. We can make guesses about how things would work best for them, but they're going to have to make their own decisions too.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 7:52 AM
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125: btock, stop puppeting helpy-chalk.
and good luck thorn, you're doing an awesome thing.
Both boys are to some degree parentified after being responsible for siblings and sickly older relatives from a very, very young age and I think this makes the separation from siblings even harder on them than it is for the siblings they want to protect.
this. I still feel bad about leaving my brother and sister there. I moved out as soon as I turned 18. things improved along the abusive axis as my step-dad got kicked out, but went down on the alcoholism axis with my mom, until we did end up in a big, cops in the house discovering my brother's grow operation fucking mess. I was thinking about this because I heard the cat power song "I don't blame you" and it has the line "then you would recall the deadly houses you grew up in." that always makes me feel sad. but honestly, I had it better than so, so many other people in the world, and all the soft cushions of white privilege and (eventually) money breaking my fall.

I had to take my 9-year-old to the child psychologist today because she threatened to kill herself yesterday. fuck me. I wanted to kill myself when I was 9, but everything sucked! I thought if I could give her a stable home life, surrounded by rational, predictable adults who loved her, it would be like re-running the experiment with different variables. as it turns out she was just exhausted and angry and really wanted to wind her dad up. he responds with impenetrable calm, and it can be so infuriating. the child psychologist thinks she's pretty much fine, just anxious. we should do yoga or something together.

I realized I was making it all about me, and re-running the experiment and I realized I would be angry if she turned out the same way, not because I went to so much trouble to make her happy and failed, but because it would seem all my suffering was for nothing. this is weird and I need to think about it.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:15 AM
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106: and Magma is playing, and Pinhas+Merzbow (or is it just Pinhas? I can't remember), and Fennesz, and lots of other acts I would love to see if only I could.


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in 136, "106" s/b "131".


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134: That's exactly the sort of thing I was wondering about, and it sounds like you have a clear plan. Those boys are really lucky to have you.

135: Oh man, that's got to be worrying. But if the child psychologist says she's mostly fine, I'm sure she's mostly fine, and you're on top of it.

I'm not sure how to say this without sounding as if I meant that you probably made your daughter crazy, which isn't what I mean at all. But could it be that being around you while you were going through issues of your own, she picked up a more aggressive vocabulary/set of concepts for expressing distress than another kid might have? Not that she was more troubled on any serious level, but that she was more aware of talking about killing herself as an option for expressing unhappiness?


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135: I remember saying that to my mother at around that age because, I think, I was having a subjectively hard time and didn't know how else to communicate. Unfortunately the obvious pain it caused her further discouraged me.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:36 AM
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he responds with impenetrable calm, and it can be so infuriating.

Do they teach this move in Philosopher School? It makes me unhinged.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:48 AM
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It probably comes especially easily to people interested in ancient philosophy.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:04 AM
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Most ancient philosphers were Greek and the Greek are noted for calm.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:54 AM
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WHAT WAS THAT? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF THESE PLATES I'M SMASHING.


Posted by: OPINIONATED GREEK | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:58 AM
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142/43: Sigh. Only the educated are free.


Posted by: OPINIONATED EPICTETUS | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 10:20 AM
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Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 10:44 AM
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this is weird and I need to think about it.

The way you describe it, it all seems very natural and not weird at all, though I'm sure you'll profit from further reflection on it.


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135: We have a seven year old who says stuff like that with some regularity. And it's definitely not language that she's picked up from listening to adults in her life. My hunch, and that of our pediatrician, is that she's requesting more attention, and tends toward the dramatic. Given that she's terrified of stuff like getting shots, I don't think she has any real intention of hurting herself. I'm keeping an eye on the situation. I think there's a chance that she'll end up with depression, since it runs in my husband's family. But there's also a chance that's just within the realm of regular (somewhat dramatic) kid behavior. In short, I wouldn't beat yourself up about it. The life you are giving your kids is so much better than what you had.


Posted by: Molly | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 5:35 PM
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138, 147: I was genuinely upset and crying at first until it occurred to me, duh, she's overheard adults talking about thins kind of thing loads of times when my sponsees came over, and she remembers when my one sponsee did overdose last year. so since she's precocious she just picked up on it more. this is why they say "little pitchers have big ears". she was exhausted and willing to throw around anything that might let her sleep more/get a rise out of her dad. I overheard it, I was supposed to be going back to sleep. when she heard that mommy cried she was horrified.


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148: Sounds like you do understand what was going on with her! I imagine you're also doing pretty well at figuring out your own response, based on what you said above.

I work very hard on letting my suffering be a tool I use without letting it be a measure of my worth, but I have the same instinct you do, I know. This is very much on my mind because we just got back from a two-hour class (one of eight) on parenting kids who've been sexually abused. I have extra insights from the elements that overlap with my own story, but I also have to really check myself that I'm not judging myself by how well things go or thinking that it retroactively justifies anything. It's just tempting to think that way, to insist on inserting purpose. I think about this kind of thing a lot.


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when she heard that mommy cried she was horrified.

But you've talked to her about it, lots and lots, I expect. I don't remember in very great detail what it's like to be 9 years old, except that being unclear on what was going on around me was a goodly part.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 7:17 PM
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but because it would seem all my suffering was for nothing. this is weird and I need to think about it.

It's weird, yes, and yet I think it makes sense. If you have any thoughtfulness at all as a parent (which you clearly have in abundance), it's only natural you would want to learn from your own past in order to apply those lessons toward your child's future. In any case, 148 sounds right to me.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:14 PM
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I was thinking this over and realized I was being hyperbolic. my mom's family would have taken us in way before any foster parents and they're all hella rich. or we would have lived with my dad (his was the sane family at that time.) 16-year-old me was scared of social services because my stepdad make me scared of it, and said he would kill me and my brother way before they had time to get to us. but looking back I was never in any real danger of foster care, that's just dumb. so I was never where thorn's kids were at. sorry everybody.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:22 PM
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That's harrowing enough that no one, not even you, should think the less of 16 year old A for experiencing her life subjectively.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:28 PM
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124: what he describes as "a baby Tony the Tiger" with a pistol in one hand and an outstretched middle finger on the other right there in full color on his bicep

I know fully fledged adults who have bachelor's degrees and everything who have much stupider tattoos than that. So, probably not a big deal. Besides, really awesome street cred comes with having that band of black around your arm covering up a youthful misadventure.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:29 PM
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Someday I'll regret that full back piece of Leonardo from TMNT buttfucking Martin Lawrence on the steps of the pentagon, but thank god that day is not yet here.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:32 PM
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But someday it will be common knowledge that Donatello was the cool one.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:39 PM
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I tried to post this already but maybe it didn't go through. anyway I was saying I was being dramatic and hyperbolic about social services before--in real life my uncles or someone would have taken us in and they're hella rich. I was afraid of them as a teenager but looking back I can see that was ridiculous. so I was never in the situation thorn's kids were in and shouldn't swan and mope around pretending I was. so, sorry dudes. my life sucked but we had money, no one was in prison, I was going to a good school and pretending to be happy.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:50 PM
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I think it went through, alameida.


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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:52 PM
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159: as soon as I can figure out a valid e-mail address for my co-blogger, I'll let you know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 8:56 PM
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Thx. The person in question (my daughter) had just sent me some old panels she had dredged up via the Wayback Machine or something. The other book I was getting her was this (which led me to picking up The Road again).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:02 PM
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Are we talking about weird books? The greatness of this book is apparent even to those with weak German!


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161: those were some good times.


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The greatness of this book is apparent even to those with weak German!

Holy crap, this sentence made me laugh my ass off. Or, at least, out loud.


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162: Others who have bought this book also bought David Foster Wallace essays translated into German. Makes me think neb may be one of the three people who bought the book he links.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:09 PM
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Some people's asses are only tenuously affixed to their bodies.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:09 PM
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The funniest thing I read today was this. (Scroll past the codfish recipe.)

I haven't totally figured out why it tickled me so much.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:11 PM
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165: I bought it at a used bookstore in the Mission, actually.


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167: I haven't totally figured out why it tickled me so much.

This line?

During Turnpike drives she likes to gently tap me. Why? "Just wanted to make sure you weren't sleeping." Holy crap! Why the heck would I be sleeping and driving?

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I actually think it was the handicapped parking line. But also, I was imagining him reading the post aloud, and somehow that made it funnier.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:28 PM
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Oh, reading the whole post aloud, from codfish recipe to conclusion, would probably not leave me in stitches, but it's good-humored. I'm not getting teh funny, really, but no biggie.

My laugh-aloud response to neb's line about the weak German was because I'd posted something elsewhere that got me a response indicating that my use of full sentences and formal sentence structure was annoying. Oh!


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It's not a "line" about weak German. The book is in German.


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172: Sh, I know. It was a "line" insofar as I found it funny given the situation in the other commenting forum. Also, I assume the book is not written in weak German.

If the other commenting forum has trouble with formal English, I may use JP's "Nice rejoinder" remark from the other thread.


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Only weak German verbs, perhaps?


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-16-10 9:51 PM
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aw, crap. stupid iPhone.


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Okay, Alameida, you know it's not a contest and thait was not your JOB to know what decisions social services and other adults would have taken, right? You were supposed to be a child and it's the adults in your life who hindered that. (Sorry; I'm sure that sounds ridiculous and patronizing online, but I think I've gotten pretty good at my delivery in real life since this is part of the core approved litany for the parentified child.)

Seriously, your healthier relatives probably beat themselves up for intervening. You were right at that age to worry about a threat to you and your siblings, whether or not it seems accurate in retrospect, especially since the road you took let you keep responsibility for them in a way that may have given you satisfactiin if a sort since suffering can feel like sort of a quasi-magical talisman that you're almost making things better. You were in a situation where responsible adults should have stepped in and because they didn't you and your siblings suffered. I think the connection to what my little guys went through is totally valid and they, certainly, would recognize and acknowledge that.

And as for tattoos, I was actually pretty proud of myself that my immediate response was, "Oh, that's really not so bad!!" So maybe I am ready to be a teen's mom. I gave him a big lecture on clean needles for tattoos and piercings, so there's that.


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