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Counterpoint: I hang out with a fair number of former ACC track runners who skew my thinking on what "fast" is, so I should probably just be happy that I'm faster at 28 than I was at 13 or 18.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-27-10 11:17 PM
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That's very good. I'm still running at least twice a week. I'm not getting much faster, but I feel much better.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:00 AM
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... that I'd never in middle school or high school ever gotten under ten minutes. ...

That is slow. I think in my high school practically everybody (among the boys at least) was under 10 minutes.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:13 AM
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Did they tell you that shorter was better?

I've been injured for the last two weeks and it is starting to piss me off. I've only got a month and a half until my race.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:38 AM
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I should probably just be happy that I'm faster at 28

FTFY, sonny.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:53 AM
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I'm running again, and recently shocked myself by running five miles on a treadmill in 50 minutes - a personal lifetime best for distance, and I'm an old guy, and overweight. Ten-minute miles have always been my standard time, but the most I'd ever run before was three - and that only once, nearly 20 years ago.

James is the id of unfogged, or at least my id. I was going to make a similarly dismissive comment to James's 3, but rejected it as rude. Now, though, I feel like I have permission.

I ran a 7:15 mile in high school, and I wasn't even really a middlin' runner. (I also thought I was going to die afterward. My hands were purple.) I'd like to try to do that again, but it might be unwise.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:08 AM
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I can proudly say that I never managed to run one mile. I may have gotten close to running half of it - & it could well be that I once could keep in motion for all of it (but mostly walking then).


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:38 AM
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Did they tell you that shorter was better?

No, just that girth was more important. But if it makes you feel better...


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:41 AM
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I used to run, but I was slow as a motherfucker. I had a long ponytail metronome behind me. I once had a real-life chance to make an unfogged-like comment. the guys at the internet start-up on my route used to play hack-sack outside, and one of them got distracted by my appearance running by and just sent the thing flying who-knows-where, and since I run slow I was able to say "clever hack" as I ran past. a small moment of personal triumph.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:44 AM
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10: we probably all know this by now, but my step-father's favorite ever thing to say was, "it's only about as big around as a beer can, but it's real long." you'd be surprised how often he was able to work that into a conversation. probably second was "down, down, like glistering Phaëton", which he would say every time someone came down the fucking stairs. and to be perfectly fair to the man, he was hung like a horse.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:48 AM
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fuck, now I killed this thread. keep talking about high-school running times. everything's normal. we'll all just pretend comment 10 never happened.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:49 AM
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I managed 5:30 in the 1500 in 8th grade. Did 2 miles in just under 12:00 in high school. I'll never be that fast again... or that skinny. Thing is that I hated running, but I liked winning.


Posted by: A Guest | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:52 AM
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I hate winning. If it weren't for that I'd run more.


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:06 AM
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I've jogged off and on since college, but I've never gotten fast at all -- ten minute miles are about my speed. I did an 8:30 mile once a couple of years ago, after I'd been running intervals for a while, just to see if I could, but I never managed to translate that into being able to sustain a faster pace over any longer distance.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:24 AM
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I could probably run a mile faster than 10 minutes, but I've never tried. When I did a five mile race this summer I was pretty close to 10 minute miles on the dot.

On the other hand, I don't remember running a mile in high school, and I do remember not being able to do it in elementary school. So while I may not actually be faster than I was in high school (I used play a lot of ultimate, so I can't have been that slow) I'm actually willing to (1) run more than a mile and (2) be timed doing it, so I'm going to believe I'm faster than I was.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:28 AM
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I'm very irritated by two of the winners of the MacArthur foundation grants. Fuckers. Sure, Dabiri's research is pretty, but c'mon!


Posted by: A Guest | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:32 AM
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Shots fired at UT Austin.

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Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:35 AM
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16: what the heck does David Simon need with a MacArthur grant? Weird.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:37 AM
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I thought I was a slow runner until late in high school when I realized I was just loping along and I could push myself much harder, becoming a middling runner, if chasing a five dollar bill.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:42 AM
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18: Is the stone carver from Newport the most perfect example?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:44 AM
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I do not like running and hadn't run more than a mile in 20 years, but I let myself get roped into the NYC version of the Chase Corporate Challenge in service of office camaraderie or whatever. I also hadn't exercised in any way whatsoever in three months when I signed up, but figured it would motivate me to do something in the interim. As I should have expected, by the day of the race that was up to six months, so I felt pretty good about running 10:30 miles for the 3.5 miles. I had some trouble with stairs for a couple of days afterward, though. And it turns out I still don't like running, so I won't be trying to break 10:00.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:44 AM
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Paul Begala says that Rahm Emmanuel leaving means that Obama is "losing his right arm." Not clear what that means for a left-handed president.
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Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:45 AM
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The phrase "quantum astrophysicist" in the MacArthur descriptions is cracking me up. As far as I can tell they invented it.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:48 AM
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Plus it's a right arm with only four fingers.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:49 AM
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The letter-shaper is also a mind-numbing choice.

In keeping with the local norms, I'm adopting a memorable pseudonym.

Formerly,
A Guest


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:50 AM
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I've no idea how fast I was when I used to jog regularly. Not very fast. 10 minute miles, probably, and I never did more than 3 - 4 miles in a go. But in my early teens I was a lot faster than that. I don't know the actual time, but I'd guess somewhere in the 6-7'ish range. When we had our big school cross country race, with about 1000 people running I was in the top 5-6% or so. Not good enough to compete seriously with the kids in school who ran serious amateur athletics, but not an awful long way behind them. These days I walk instead of run, and my fast walking pace is about 12.5+ min miles, I think.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:50 AM
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23: I thought it was like in Animal House when Donald Sutherland gets really high with Boone and Karen Allen and he tells them all about the galaxies in their finger nails?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:50 AM
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25: You have no idea how happy that makes me.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:54 AM
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While we're all taking shots at the undeserving, I'm going to go ahead and endorse the choice of David Cromer.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:55 AM
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I am teaching Crevecoeur today, and was just going over Wikipedia to see if there are any Fun Fakts to think about; turns out his wife's name was "Mehitable Tippet." I've kept this pseud for almost five years now, but Mehitable Tippet is VERY TEMPTING.


Posted by: A White Bear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:55 AM
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To be clear, I wouldn't say the "quantum astrophysicist" is undeserving -- if she developed some of the most important technology used in LIGO, that sounds like a big deal -- just that the phrase is comical. 27 sounds about right.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:59 AM
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The webpage of the marine biology recipient features a remarkably phallic squid.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:03 AM
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essear, if that looks very similar you need to go to the doctor, pronto.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:05 AM
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10 to...to...wait, can you refer a comment to a comment in another thread weeks ago? Because I'm referring this to Heebie's comment about dear old dad by the pond under the willow tree from the (ugh) circumcision vs. life-of-unending-sexual-fulfillment thread.

Also, I have really short legs and run a mile in about a thousand minutes and hate this thread accordingly. But, hey, I type SUPER FAST.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:10 AM
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29: Underwhelmed by Our Town?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:13 AM
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I've always hated running. We have a little 4.5 mile mountain bike route we like to do before dinner. Takes about 50 minutes (appx. 32 out/up, 18 back/down) and I'm thinking 10 minute miles on foot would be awfully fast.

But then when I was in 9th grade, we ran half a mile every day to start PE, and I always came in under 3:30 (because otherwise, you had to run it again).


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:15 AM
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But, hey, I type SUPER FAST.

Oh really? How fast, stumpy?*

* I also have really short legs relative to height.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:20 AM
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35: Hardly. Perhaps you were reading SUPER FAST as well, as I am endorsing his selection. I loved his Our Town, both the production and his performance as the Stage Manager.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:25 AM
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Oh, I managed to read it as you endorsing his status as undeserving.

By the time I saw it, the role of the stage manager was being played by this guy that went to my junior high for a year, and he sorta perched by my seat for part of the play and all I could think was "oh hey I sort of remember this one time you cut your finger in Ms. Isaacs' art class." This is also partly because that play makes me clutch my head in aesthetic loathing, though, so I have to think about other things.

37: Ok not that fast. [Sad trombone noise.]


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:32 AM
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25: That's a nice name.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:59 AM
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If we're talking times, I can run 3.4 miles with 11 minute miles. The first half of that, is a bit faster, but still not at a ten minute mile. In my defense, I live in a really hilly area.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:00 AM
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40: the real question is, "how are you pronouncing it in your mind?"


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:25 AM
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I'm a pretty slow runner, but you all are making me feel good about myself. I'm a fast sprinter though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:28 AM
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it was supposed to be responding to apo's point. I fucked it up. I have some ancestors with some badass puritan names, including a woman whose first name was pain. seriously, they named her pain. humility, chastity; I can work with that. pain? that is straight fucked up. possible best among the names: experience mayhew. definite best if we had had a boy: sparhawk! why not just name him awesome mcstrong dude. he could toss it of lightly; "of course it's a contraction of sparrow hawk." a contraction that makes it twenty times more badass.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:29 AM
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props to annelid gustator! excellent choice, though IIRC wry cooter is still available.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:30 AM
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My family tree has Everardus Bogardus in it. I just love that name.

It's pretty common in Africa to name kids after nice things. My BFF when I was about 8-9 years old was called Happy. I also know a Prosper, Precious, Justice, Hallelujah, and others I've forgotten.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:37 AM
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Nobody likes him! Everybody hates him!

Further to the OT: Lifehacker on BPM playlists for running.

Even further: I totally gave up on Couch to 5k -- maybe I'll try again when it cools down -- but in high school I think I ran a mile in 6:30. Is that even remotely possible? I haven't done anything similar since.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:37 AM
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but in high school I think I ran a mile in 6:30

Were you in training, constantly active or being chased by an angry badger?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:40 AM
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This morning I ran into work. 3.6 miles in 29 minutes.

44: I had several ancestors called Scipio. Tragically, if I resurrected this name, they would go through hell at school being known universally as Skippy.
"Tiercel" is a nice one, alameida. It means a male hawk.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:41 AM
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... if chasing a five dollar bill.

Like so.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:42 AM
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in high school I think I ran a mile in 6:30. Is that even remotely possible?

Definitely. The army fitness standards include a mile and a half run in a maximum of 10:30, which works out at 7 minutes per mile. (As you age, you get a bit more time to do it.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:43 AM
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Were you in training, constantly active or being chased by an angry badger English teacher with a prescriptivist approach to the serial comma?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:45 AM
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46: My (Italian) grandfather's middle name was Prosper. I am assuming it was Prospero initially.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:45 AM
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34, 44, 46, 49: I think I posted this on FB, but what the hell:

"Thus the sloganeering names of Nonconformists: Freewill Shepherd, Praisegod Silkes, Feargod Hodge, River Jordan and, reputedly, Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barbon, whose father, Praise-God Barebone, lent his surname to the Barebones Parliament of the mid-17th century."

Bonus: A tiercel is so called because the male tends to be one-third smaller than the female. Hat tip to T.H. White's The Goshawk and The Godstone and the Blackymor.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:47 AM
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54 was I, if there was any doubt.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:48 AM
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pain? that is straight fucked up.

As a first name, sure. Fairly common as a middle name, though.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:49 AM
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Also, Jack Aubrey's servant, Preserved Killick.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:50 AM
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I have some ancestors with some badass puritan names, including a woman whose first name was pain. seriously, they named her pain. humility, chastity; I can work with that. pain? that is straight fucked up. possible best among the names: experience mayhew. definite best if we had had a boy: sparhawk! why not just name him awesome mcstrong dude. he could toss it of lightly; "of course it's a contraction of sparrow hawk." a contraction that makes it twenty times more badass.

I remember Ogged saying that a lot of his ancestors had names that meant things like "The really, really venerable and strong guy, from Tabriz", but can't find the thread about it. This thread is a good substitute.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:04 AM
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I have some Preserveds and some Humilitys. I rather like Content, though.

My grandmother was named Hope, and it's my daughter's middle name. She sometimes uses it as a pseud, but only in Icelandic, having met an Icelandic musician who liked calling her that.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:05 AM
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I rather like Content, though.

When she turned 18, you could refer to her as Adult Content.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:07 AM
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In one of Borges' stories, the title of which I cannot recall, he refers to a legendary Japanese hero named something like "Noble-Fearless-Defending-Swordwielder" and a corresponding princess named something like "Spring-Mist-Drifting-Over-Wheat-Fields."


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:10 AM
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60 -- My ancestor named Content was a man.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:12 AM
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62: If he worked hard to support his family, he was a Content provider.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:14 AM
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And when the stress all got too much for him he hung a notice on his office door saying "Content's under pressure".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:19 AM
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a corresponding princess named something like "Spring-Mist-Drifting-Over-Wheat-Fields."

The Japanese invented TV commercials for lady-stuff products.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:19 AM
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I have no idea why I had 62 so completely wrong in my head. Damn.

Among my ancestry, I prefer the more classical names anyway. A Cassandra (about whom Whittier wrote a poem), a couple of Philanders, etc.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:19 AM
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I love the name Philander. "Hi, I'm Philander...laydeez."


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:42 AM
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Spring-Mist-Drifting-Over-Wheat-Fields

Why do you ask, Two-Dogs-Fucking?


Posted by: Opinionated Native American | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:06 AM
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Getting back to the original topic, what role does weight play in this. If I lost say 5% of my body weigh would I be able to run 5% faster?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:30 AM
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67: ...fellaz seems more appropriate.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:32 AM
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Two-Dogs-Fucking-Fellaz?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:32 AM
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I don't really know, but I have the impression it's significant. In college, I knew people who ran cross-country, and they were all starving themselves, men and women alike, on the theory that skinnier was faster.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:33 AM
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69: you could experiment by carrying 9.5% of your body weight and see if you run 5% slower.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:35 AM
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I'm thinking more about dropping from "heavy for 2010" down to "heavy for 1980" or so.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:35 AM
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73: That's what got me thinking. I'm fairly certain that I couldn't run very far at all if I carried much weight. I know for a fact that I can walk at a good clip carrying 40 pounds* for a least half a mile, but I could never run.

*If the 40 pounds is being cooperative and not kicking.

(Note: 9.5% of my body weight is much less than 40 pounds. I'm going with the available example.)


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:38 AM
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the theory that skinnier was faster.

Those tricky Africans are cheating by living where there's chronic food shortages.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:40 AM
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in high school I think I ran a mile in 6:30. Is that even remotely possible?

Heh, probably was common and your memory has faded. I did the mile in about 7 or a bit under in jr. high without killing myself. We had a Spanish foreign exchange student who was seriously hellbent on being an Olympic runner and did his at around 5.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:58 AM
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Where did I come up with 9.5%? Good luck teaching me calculus.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:00 PM
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69: depends which 5% of your body-weight, but probably more than 5% faster.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:01 PM
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which 5%

Yeah, localizing the weightloss in, say, a particular foot might slow you down.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:03 PM
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Good thing this giant cookie I just got has only 460 calories.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:04 PM
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Yeah, localizing the weightloss in, say, a particular foot might slow you down.

Depends. Is he like almeida's step-pa, with length to spare, laydeez?


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:14 PM
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Annelid Gustator

Wiktionary tells me that gustator is the "second-person singular future passive imperative of gustō." I know jack about Latin, so the best I can come up with is: "Leech (or Worm) You Shall Be Tasted."


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:24 PM
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in high school I think I ran a mile in 6:30. Is that even remotely possible?

When this topic came up in an IRL conversation, one friend recalled having run a mile in 6:30 for the express purpose of impressing a girl who ran track. He promptly threw up afterward, so it didn't quite work out.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:36 PM
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Women don't know from impressive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:38 PM
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my city has a number of great training programs for people interested in running various races. (10k, half marathon, full marathon)

I have been impressed with how many people are willing to sign up for these programs despite not being runners.

The programs market the events by making them run, run-walk, or just plain walk. The marathon program has about 1000 people in it on Saturdays, and about 450 on Sundays.

In the novice group, 10 min miles are going to put you in the top 15 percent of the group.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:50 PM
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Aging stinks. Attitude adjustment is the key.

I wasnt a runner, but due to my cardio fitness, as a high schooler/college guy, I could run 6 min miles without killing myself.

Now, I have been happy to average around 910-9:30 per mile on my training runs. I feel like a gazelle when I pop out an under 9:00 min mile. Ok, so maybe a large, lumbering 200 pound gazelle.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 12:56 PM
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