Re: That is, if you want to fit in.

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Apparently, as a woman over 40, I should clearly stop pretending that I listen to music.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:11 PM
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Which, come to think of it, frees up some time to organize my desk. WIN!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:12 PM
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Well, at least you're doomed if you want to listen to music whose audience is exclusively women over 40. Have you considered musicians with a 70-30 audience gender split?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:14 PM
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I find it bizarre and also reassuring that Steve Vai and Iron Maiden are still super popular among 15-20yr old or so men. Hasn't anything else come out in the past 25 years?

Alternately, maybe I misread the graph.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:18 PM
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That's kind of acweird way to display that information. If they want to show the most popular artists per age/gender bin, why not just a 2-D chart? As it is, the font size is just communicating their listenership demographics.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:19 PM
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3: Hmm. That leaves me with something called G.M. Orchestra (GM's latest diversification effort?) and the Captain and Tennille. I think I'm still better off filing.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:19 PM
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I should mention that I didn't read the accompanying article, so perhaps they explain. I prefer pictures.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:21 PM
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Font size could imply that it was a popular choice across a broader range of ages, centered at the average age of listener?

I don't think it does, upon reading. But it might have.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:22 PM
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I have the musical tastes of a 30 year old hermaphrodite.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:23 PM
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6: Genetically Modified Orchestra.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:26 PM
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All the instruments used are exclusively made from vegetables: from fresh as well as dried plant material such as carrot, leek, celery root, artichoke, dried pumpkin and onion skin. All these components are used for building organic instruments and sound generators which usually only last for one concert or one day in the studio. In addition to the vegetables, various utensils like record players or power drills are used to create unusual noises and to add unexpected texture to the music.

Oh, good lord.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:29 PM
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I think that last.fm has become less useful since they turned off streaming of selected tracks. When I listen to stations based on some band, I get one song from the band I like and then tangentially related stuff that's usually not so good.

Listening to the libraries of other individuals that like something is an OK way to find new music, though.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:29 PM
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Interesting that 30 something extremely manly men, like me, like the Chick Corea Electric Band. I mean, I like the Chick Corea Electric Band but I didn't know there were more of us out there. Time to make some new friends.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:30 PM
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Genetically Modified Orchestra

They all play the tuber.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:30 PM
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I probably wouldn't have posted 14 had I clicked through and read that they actually do play vegetables.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:32 PM
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Genetically Modified Orchestra?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:33 PM
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Not many of the people that I listen to on a regular basis are even on that graph.

I have blogged about REM, Etta James, and Ani DiFranco. I occasionally like John Hiat, and Gorillaz. Other than that, not people that I listen to.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:35 PM
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Huh, so apparently only men like Howlin Wolf and mostly women like PJ Harvey.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:36 PM
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This chart seems to be a total fail in the 50-60 range. Damn kids are listening to too much old music, pushing it leftward. Off my lawn!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:43 PM
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All this proves is that Last.fm users are an odd bunch. I mean, find all these 30-year-old men who love Genesis and Yes and tell them to stop.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:47 PM
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That chart's kind of a total fail all around.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:47 PM
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And the choice of artists to include seems pretty random. Chick Corea Elektric Band, really?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:48 PM
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20: In all serious, does anyone here, for instance, ever listen to last.fm?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:49 PM
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+ness


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:50 PM
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Stanley is read!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 3:57 PM
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I do.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:00 PM
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but really, my cows


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:01 PM
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I have my music player set to "scrobble" to Last.fm, but I never listen to their personalized streams, so I guess it's kind of pointless. It seems like they don't have the rights to a big enough variety of music to make their streams interesting.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:03 PM
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Currently listening to the Blue Note catalog with a little G Welch, so I am off the chart too.

Two months ago it was Ella followed by Slayer, Kanye West, PSRaT, DSoTM, Nine Inch Nails, Happy Mondays, Justin Timberlake, Public Enemy, Klaus Schulze...you get the idea. I fucking break such charts.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:05 PM
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They also have a service where they will recommend upcoming shows in your area. It's terrible. I would really love to have a service like that that worked (in preference to flipping through the Voice or The Onion every week, or actually reading Oh My Rockness!).


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:06 PM
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but really, my cows

I'm sorry, but the Cows are mine.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:14 PM
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I don't. Take that, lw!


Posted by: persistently visible | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:20 PM
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23: Like Yawnoc, I scrobble all the time and probably listen to their streams six times a year. I have enough good music on my iPhone that I have more fun shuffling through my own music than experimenting with other artists from the same genre. But I really enjoy the scrobbling feature so I can see how my music taste changes over the years.


Posted by: LizSpigot | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 4:23 PM
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So, speaking of finding new things to listen to, when is neb's next show?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:08 PM
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If I understand that chart correctly, Iron Maiden fans age into Genesis fans who turn to Ray Price* when they get older.

*Is that the guy with the song about the squirrel and the other one about the streaker?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 5:34 PM
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Something's seriously wrong with that chart. I'm 41, and recognize almost nothing along that vertical, except for Captain and Tennille, which was music for old people when I was 8.

Also, fuck the gender binary.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:04 PM
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Also, fuck the gender binary

Do we have enough time?


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:06 PM
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Wow, what a ridiculous chart. Apparently I'm a, yes, 30-year-old hermaphrodite. Hi, Togolosh.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 6:33 PM
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I don't see "dadrock" on the genre graph. I'm mildly disappointed.


Posted by: Populuxe | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 7:36 PM
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Reply to 36

I agree; I'm baffled. My friends and I are all in our early forties, we have pretty damn mainstream tastes, and none of us listen to these artists.

Are Last-FM members registering with fake ages? Are there middle-aged users claiming to be 20 years younger than they are, for vanity's sake? I know there are slews of young YouTubers who claim to be 70 so they can access '18-or-over' content.


Posted by: Fawnet | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 8:57 PM
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Doesn't that incomprehensible chart tell us more about the average age of a Last.fm user than about what the average person of a given age listens to?


Posted by: emdash | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:10 PM
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41: Seems so.

Those who find themselves here on this blog may not fit into the average mold, however; likely more curious, exploratory, and active than the average. I honestly don't know, and fear I'll be looking dubiously at random 40-something-year-olds on the street now: do you listen to Captain and Tennille? Weirdo. It's enough to scare you off trying to date post-40.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:16 PM
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Those who find themselves here on this blog may not fit into the average mold, however; likely more curious, exploratory, and active than the average.

I doubt this, actually, at least with regard to music.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:23 PM
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The plot isn't what an average person of given age/gender listens to, it's the bands that most strongly correlate with a particular age-- the bands that convey the most information about your listening. Or something. Katy Perry, Led Zeppelin, and Muddy Waters are all absent, for instance, and KP is #11 overall.

Here's a different bunch of bands (mine) similarly plotted:


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:24 PM
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44 -- I don't understand at all. I mean, I almost understand the words -- but not quite -- but your chart makes the whole thing even less penetrable. Don't spend any effort trying to explain though -- it's probably a lost cause, and even by the low standards of Unfogged commenting, not worth your effort.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:40 PM
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43: You sure that isn't just you and LB? I don't think I'm all that exploratory in my music-listening, but most people I interact with on a daily basis don't seem to listen to much music at all, so I would guess that "average" is way on the non-exploratory end. Someone like neb is way out on the tail.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:40 PM
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44: I like how people who listen to "Bach, Johann Sebastian" are a bit older than people who listen to "Johann Sebastian Bach".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:43 PM
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You sure that isn't just you and LB?

Well, no, but most of the people I interact with regularly IRL seem at least as musically exploratory as most of the people who discuss their musical taste here. (Of course, I may not be in a good position to judge that.) So I dunno.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:45 PM
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I do think Last.fm users are likely to be at least as atypical in musical taste as Unfogged commenters.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:47 PM
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I actually lie about my musical preferences here. In real life, I listen constantly to a single Screeching Weasel song on repeat at all hours of the day and night. It's great.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:49 PM
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48: Huh. I wonder which of us interacts with a more representative sample of the population in real life. Probably you.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:50 PM
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Here's a different bunch of bands (mine) similarly plotted:

Huh, the typical Blondie listener is a 25 year-old woman? That surprises me. Also it appears that no men listen to Cat Power which also seems wrong.

That said that graph (and that listing of artists) makes a lot more sense to me in general.

I just noticed, actually, that the Y-axis is not centered on 0, but even so those two listings feel off.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:55 PM
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most people I interact with on a daily basis don't seem to listen to much music at all

Yeah, I suspect this not-listening-to-music is much more common than one realizes; and then many of those who do are just listening to whatever the radio is throwing at them.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 9:56 PM
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It's possible that my social circle, being dominated by well-educated young people from New Jersey, is not entirely typical.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:03 PM
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Confirming, once again, that middle-aged gay men are 20-year-old women.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:04 PM
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As opposed to my social circle of well-educated slightly-less-young people currently living in New Jersey but originally from China, Russia, Germany, or elsewhere in the US.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:10 PM
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So, speaking of finding new things to listen to, when is neb's next show?

Not ever in the foreseeable future, sad to say.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:10 PM
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Isn't internet radio something you could do from the comfort of your own home?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:11 PM
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Without clothing.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:12 PM
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My home isn't very comfortable.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:13 PM
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… laydeez.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:13 PM
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I just came across this music blog, which is among the bestest things ever on the Internet, and spent last night listening to some totally dope Thai funk from the 60s and 70s.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:19 PM
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Also good: Awesome Tapes from Africa.

And: Destination: Out!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:24 PM
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Saw Awesome Tapes in a link from Holy Warbles, but haven't checked out DO yet. Too busy listening, man.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:29 PM
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Ha! People teo interacts with regularly IRL have been there done that ages ago.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:31 PM
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We can only assume.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:35 PM
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66: ... and keep an accurate accounting of the dead.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 10:41 PM
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Did anyone ever link this or this here? They crack me up. (Especially the "yo solo te estoy avisando, amigo" translation in the Spanish one.) They both look oddly formal, to me, but this might just be because my Spanish is poor and my German is worse.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:00 PM
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68: They used robar for "borrow", which is weird. But otherwise pretty good for the Spanish, IMHO. It's a pretty slangy song.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:06 PM
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It's kind of funny how fast they have to go through the German words on account of their greater number.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:10 PM
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Oh, and it's plainly translated by someone using Spain-based Spanish, so, you know, not down with the gente.

Vato, please.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:10 PM
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Also odd: "Alter" for "nigga".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:10 PM
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On reflection, "Spain-based Spanish" is a terribly poor way of saying what I meant. Crap.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:11 PM
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73: Really? I though it was quite clear.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:12 PM
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74: I probably should have said "It was plainly translated by someone using Spanish from modern-day Spain."

Plenty of Spanish spoken all over is "Spain-based" in some sense or another, is my self-nit-picking point.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:16 PM
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Plenty of Spanish spoken all over is "Spain-based" in some sense or another, is my self-nit-picking point.

All of it, presumably. But in the present context "Spain-based" is as good a term as "Metropolitan" or whatever else the alternative might be.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:19 PM
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76: Yeah, I'm clearly still smarting from a recent conversation with a native speaker about prescriptivism vs. descriptivism regarding the difference between la radio and el radio and how there's a real difference...for some native speakers but not all native speakers.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-28-10 11:26 PM
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I think, also, last.fm users skew British rather than US, which may have an impact. An acquaintance of mine works for them, fwiw. I scrobble my listening at work to last.fm, but at home not so much, so even I was to look at my own listening profile it'd skew strongly towards stuff friends online had pointed me towards on spotify -- since I don't have access to my own music library at work -- rather than stuff I've actively chosen to listen to.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 12:37 AM
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77: I'm very much interested in what difference is there and for which native speakers.


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 2:24 AM
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I would also like to produce sentences that are less awkward.


Posted by: Earnest O'Nest | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 2:47 AM
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They also have a service where they will recommend upcoming shows in your area. It's terrible. I would really love to have a service like that that worked (in preference to flipping through the Voice or The Onion every week, or actually reading Oh My Rockness!).

Does Songkick operate in the US? I use it for London and it generally does a good job, both in terms of recommending bands I might like, and in terms of notifying me as soon as tickets are available. Then again, I live with a music journalist, so I don't really need it.

I think, also, last.fm users skew British rather than US, which may have an impact.

Huh. My first reaction to the chart is that it looks extremely American. There are almost no "huge in Britain but unknown in the US" artists there, whereas I can see quite a few of the American equivalents.

Also it appears that no men listen to Cat Power which also seems wrong.

Indeed. I listen to Cat Power a lot. And I'm pretty sure I've listened to her on Last.fm.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 7:34 AM
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re: 81

Yeah, I suppose, re: the artist set. Are there any of that very US-specific genre? Bro-mo, or whatever we should call it. 30-something men bellowing morosely over drop-D rock-lite, like a walrus that's caught its nads in between two rocks? Can't see any that leap out.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 7:46 AM
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Does Songkick operate in the US?

It appears they do. Thanks for the rec!


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 9:04 AM
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77: I'm very much interested in what difference is there and for which native speakers.

La radio = the signal in the air and the medium in general.

El radio = the box that receives the signal.

I don't have a map of which native speakers observe this difference, but, anecdotally, I've met children of immigrants (i.e., native speakers of both English and Spanish who were born and grew up in the US) who didn't make the distinction. Specifically, they used el radio for both definitions.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 9:47 AM
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I like last.fm because I can listen to non-US music. Currently I'm on a Finnish trip-hop kick. Before that it was Portuguese rap.

You have to just play a country/genre tag until you find a band you like, then play that band's radio. Then note down all those bands you like, and boom you have a superficial appreciation for some foreign people's musical stylings!

The worst part about last.fm is the people coming along trying to befriend you. I have a little note in my profile saying I don't befriend people, but they still try. Bless their hearts.


Posted by: winna | Link to this comment | 09-29-10 10:32 AM
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