I can't remember how far south you are. I'd say the real issue for winter running is snowy/slushy/icy footing--if that's unlikely for more than a day or two straight, I bet the cold won't bother you.
I'm fairly certain they can't force an exit interview on you. And I'm surely certain the can't force it to involve anything more than you saying "I haven't been coming much since I started running outside more, so it no longer seemed worth the money," and refusing to take the conversation any further ("no, got to go, in a hurry, thanks") if they try.
I propose using this thread to provide advice on what to wear for running in cold, rainy weather. Meaning 30s and 40s, but no snow/slush/sleet.
Back when I was a regular runner, I found long-sleeves incredibly uncomfortable and always wore shorts. For above-high-40s that was fine, even in rain. But I don't think I can get away with that in this climate, though since I haven't gone running up here yet I have no idea.
1: We had an unusual three snowstorms last year. There's rarely anything slippy on the ground for more than a day or two, and that's an oddity.
2: Yes! I know! And yet I've spent mental energy coming up with crazy fake excuses about moving out of the country and shit, because I'm neurotic like that.
3: I support this proposal.
3: For me it was hat, sometimes gloves, thigh-length under armour (or equivalent) and long-sleeved same (bothers me less than loose long sleeves) with at-shirt over it. And don't fuck around outside when you are done.
5: Boxers over the under armour shorts.
... socks
... shoes
When I run, I'm clad only in a cock ring.
I ran outside all through the winter last year, and loved it. I never got particularly cold, even when it was in the low 20s. I had, lessee, a long-sleeved baselayer, an insulated jacket/shirt type of thing and these special running kinda pants that were warm and also stretchy. Oh, and a hat. I'm sure that's all very helpful. I think I also wore long underwear under shorts a couple of times, which also worked well. And wool socks. That was important.
Honestly though I get pretty warm when I run. Anything above 50 and I pretty much run in shorts and a t-shirt.
Anyhow even above the benefit that I got from running, I found that an activity that led me to spend a significant amount of time outside during the coldest months of the year represented a significant boost to my ability to deal with said months.
Last week or two I had occasion to run around 11 pm on a series of chilly nights (47-53 F, maybe). Shorts, watch cap, tshirt (one night a light breathable sweater oer it), and cheapo stretchy cotton gloves. Worked a treat.
Get colder and I'd say the sweater always, maybe add legging type thingies.
My big exercise-related problems now are how to get myself to either 1. get up early enough to run or 2. run after I get home from work. My current solution has been to do neither of these things, but that doesn't seem sustainable, even with biking to work and taking the stairs and etc. other bullshit like that.
I find not exercising can be incredibly sustainable.
Yeah, the mandatory exit interview sounds like it's calling for Enzyte-type lawsuits. Run free! Or whatever; I don't know what I'm talking about.
Honestly though I get pretty warm when I run. Anything above 50 and I pretty much run in shorts and a t-shirt.
Yeah, that's been my experience too, which was part of the problem with long-sleeves in the past.* Same with walking long distances too, which sometimes leads me to feel overdressed, until I have to wait 20 minutes outside for a bus or something.
*But in the past, I was in shape and spent less time alternating walking and running, so I generated heat much more quickly. In my current state of fitness, I'll probably be nearly back home by the time I'd be warm.
I've been too sick for running, but my skill level at Wii Swordplay Showdown is over 2,000.
And I'm over 1,300 on the Swordplay Duel.
14: in my experience, that high-tech wicking bullshit (well, or wool) does a pretty good job of letting your body manage it's temperature without letting you get too cold.
Sweatshirt and sweatpants work for me in very low temperatures. I've played tennis in the mid-30s and been fine. Running keeps me warmer than tennis.
But gosh, I sure do prefer running with a treadmill and a television. My sore knees and my idle brain are my two biggest impediments.
I don't run and never have but I do go through extended periods of biking regularly and have found that fifty is about as low as I'm willing to tolerate even in my most positive exercise minded times. Fifties and rain is out. But that has to do with the cold air running down my chest which will be much less of a problem at slower speeds in a vertical position.
But that has to do with the cold air running down my chest...
What, no nipple description?
19: much, much less of a problem, yes. I'm not a big fan of long rides in the cold. (though maybe I just need to buy more crap)
I feel so terrible about the apostrophe in 17.
My big exercise-related problems now are how to get myself to either 1. get up early enough to run or 2. run after I get home from work.
Solution: unemployment. My unaccustomed idleness has occasionally found me visiting the gym twice in one day.
high-tech wicking bullshit
My first experiment, currently delayed by catching a cold, is going to be wicking long underwear shirt under a t-shirt, with shorts. Maybe this weekend. Temperatures will drop another 10+ degrees, but I figure I'd better get started before that happens, as the colder and rainier it gets, the more reluctant I am to go out and run.
I wrapped my iPod in saran wrap for the rain run. There's undoubtedly a better solution than that, too.
I'll do your exit interview if you'll break up with my therapist for me.
Stanley's dating Smearcase's therapist?
I'll do your exit interview if you'll break up with my therapist for me.
Perhaps a little Strangers on a Train action is in order?
There's a small part of me that wants to finish a long outside run by arriving at the gym, announcing I'm quitting, taking a long pull from the water fountain, and then swaggering out. But I don't think I'm that guy.
You should say, heatedly, "You want to know why I'm quitting?" and then put a foot on the desk, point to your shoe, and say, "that's why*." Note: shoe should be covered with mud.
Who's got two feet and no further need for your gym?
This guy.
They probably have a special rate or something.
Perhaps a little Strangers on a Train action is in order?
A friend in Austin said I reminded him of Farley Granger!
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Slush is not good for running upon, and I think running in waterlogged shoes may destroy the padded innersoles. (Sole-destroying rain ! )
But running on hard or crunchy packed snow is easy, and running in deep dry snow is fantastic exercise.
A friend in Austin said I reminded him of Farley Granger!
I'm a sucker for a fella in a cowboy hat.
Exactly like in Rope. There's a slightly longer story involving the piano works of Poulenc, but I just typed it out to see if it retold well and there are not enough five dollar bills in circulation.
I agree with everyone on the pleasure of running in the cold as long as you're dressed right for it. Quit the gym.
Call the gym up and quit, and turn down their offer to schedule an exit interview. When they won't stop talking, just say, "I'm hanging up now. Bye!" Lately I've been super-harassed by my alma mater, with these highly trained undergrads who engage you in all sorts of bullshit about updating your information before asking for donations. That's my key line: "I'm hanging up now. Bye!" It makes me feel less rude.
Wtf? You pay a gazillion bucks for a gym and the perk is you have to be interrogated to break out
This oas the crazy kind ofnormal person ritual I just don't do
New gym membership started today actually. They tried to give me a tour and free tshirt. THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK MY SIZE JUST THREW A BAG ON THE COUNTER. I am sure it was"this is a xlarge, our smallest availoble size, sir"
But they have a gazillion dumb bells and a squat rack.even have an erg. For ten bucks a month.
And I would agree that wicking bs is bs. Its just that cotton is a really terrible material that should only be used for fashiony clothes like jeans and american appeal r
Oh I forget the denoument: I said ' no' and walked on by
My gym membership is 10$ a month in downtown san francisco. It is like 15$ a month for new members. It isn't even all that crowded. No free weights except dumbells though.
What I need for exercising in the winter is a facemask to keep the cold air out of my lungs. It's not even that I've lived anywhere really cold for years, but I've had pneumonia and it turns out that you really do get a 'weak chest'. Victorian novels: not always wrong.
I am self-censoring a bunch of crossfit inspired rants. But, seriously, fuck GloboGym and their $50/month business model that requires most of their customers to never show up and never get in shape.
Icebreaker. All you need for any exercise down to about minus 10C. Also wicks sweat away.
Only disadvantage: the packaging explains that you can track each item back to the individual merino sheep from whose wool it was made, simply by going to their website and entering the "baa-code". Aaargh.
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I agree with 2 and 42 - the exit interview is a stupid idea, and they may call it a "requirement" but I'd be amazed if it actually is. It can't possibly be in your contract with the gym, can it? No? OK then, stop going and stop paying and forget the interview. Or, even better, go to the interview and utter nothing but "I haven't been coming much since I started running outside more, so it no longer seemed worth the money" in answer to every single question, even your age and home address. If they're going to waste your time, you waste theirs right back.
As for exercise, it's not actually aerobic, but I've been doing pushups and situps first thing in the morning. Not great, but better than nothing, right?
Not great, but better than nothing, right?
Yep! Hook 'em!
I used to do sit-ups in my office, but now I don't have any good furniture for holding my feet. I suppose I could ask somebody to hold my feet, but that seems a bit much.
How are you going to swim without a gym membership?!!?!? Chris Greene is mighty cold this time of year.
Also, as an alum, arent you able to use the school's gym?
but now I don't have any good furniture for holding my feet.
Wedge your toes under the door? Or switch to crunches.
Also, as an alum, arent you able to use the school's gym?
I think maybe, for a fee, and if I'm currently taking a continuing-ed class (which I'm not). I gather they've tightened down on that privilege quite a bit.
56.1 really hurt. Now I have broken toes.
As an employee, we are allowed to use the old gyms. The new one is for the students only.
Broken toes are the first step to getting your toes in shape.
We built this city on broken toes.
Phalangry Anger: not a terrible band name for Moby's forthcoming solo project.
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sit-ups... Or switch to crunches.
How much does the difference between the two matter? I've been doing sit-ups just because I find them easier, but I guess the easier exercise is generally the less effective one, isn't it. And how much of a difference does "good form" matter for either or both of them?
I really shouldn't rely on imaginary Internet people for exercise advice, should I. On the other hand, I think there's something inherently wrong with any field in which the easier option is generally the worst*. Or at least, I'm temperamentally unsuited to it.
* I can elaborate on this if people nitpick, but I think it's a good rule of thumb.
I never metatarsal I didn't want to CRUSH LIKE BUG.
Jefferson Starship: a great example of musicians going from a great band to a really bad one.
Jefferson Starship: a great example of musicians going from a great band to a really bad one.
A slow motion plane crash. Parts of Red Octopus were still OK.
63: I was told, by a real doctor but many years ago, that I was not to do crunches or even full sit-ups. I am supposed to raise my body to about a 25 degree angle and hold for 10 seconds and go down. Apparently, my spine is not first class and I shouldn't do anything that could jerk it around.
67: What about the thing where you lie flat, legs straight out, and then lift your feet up like six inches or so. Does that have a name?
68: That would probably be O.K. And I suppose I should maybe see another doctor since that was over 20 years ago when I saw that doctor. (You know when they made you line-up in the gym and the nurse looked at your back. That's how they got me.)
Moby:
That is really how everyone should do crunches.
68: Leg lifts. And whilst doing them you can beat on your taut abs with your fists and make Tarzan yells. At least that was what some coach, camp counselor or gym teacher had us do at some point in my youth.
In the high school gym with a nurse looking at your back?
Generally speaking, you want to exercise the core as a whole before doing exercises designed to isolate one set of muscles, like the abs -- for which crunches are worse than sit ups -- or else you end up with problems like those described by Moby. That's especially true if, like me, you have back issues. Also, you'll hit a point of rapidly diminishing returns very quickly with either sit ups or crunches. If you're picking one single exercise, try doing air squats instead. Also, and again if you're only doing one thing, try burpees instead of regular push ups, which will get your legs and core into the action.
Or, if you like what you're doing and are motivated to keep doing it, go for it -- more important to do something than nothing.
try doing air squats instead
No thanks. I want to be sure I have clean underwear in case I get hit by a car and have to go to the ER.
75: I've never really understood the canonical advice about clean underwear. If I'm getting hit by a car, the probability that I'm also shitting myself approaches 1, I would think.
Apparently, my spine is not first class and I shouldn't do anything that could jerk it around.
Try flutter kicks instead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ONDu5SL30
76: Probably true. Cry "Havoc" and loose the dogs of gas.
65,66 -- I'd say that Miracles is Marty Balin's best work. On the point in 65, I think it depends on how you score the Blows/Sunfighter/Baron von Tollbooth period. Best work for Kantner and Slick there, by a good long shot. For Jorma, both the first Hot Tuna record and Quah are better than anything he did with JA. Hell, Casady's work on Electric Ladyland was better than anything he did with JA.
So, yes, in general JS sucked (especially counting B/S/B as something else). But JA? Definitely a whole far less than the sum of its parts.
But JA? Definitely a whole far less than the sum of its parts.
Someone is wrong on the Internet.
I may have mentioned before meeting an alumna of (famous in NoVa) Thomas Jefferson High School, who told me of a failed plan to get the school to change its mascot to the Airplane (singular)—but that was only the first step. Later, the mascot would change again to, well, you know what.
We built, we built, we built this city on rock and morally problematic relationships with women lacking the autonomy necessary to offer meaningful consent. And roll.
48: Do you believe in breathable fabrics and the like? I have a jacket I've been using for years that is meant to do this stuff and I've been wet in it too many times. Not GoreTex, but one of the clone fabrics (CheapoTex or WillThisDoTex or something).
Mind you I'm very pleased with the Italian microfibre thing. (see thread, passim)
80 -- Apparently.
79 -- I don't mean to denigrate Jack's role on the first HT record. I'm willing to say, in fact, that Mann's Fate includes the best playing of the bass guitar by anyone anywhere ever.
I run into nasty back problems when I include situps in my workouts, if they're not paired with some kind of Roman chair-type exercise.
Something to do with some muscle that goes from lower back and to the legs or something.
Flutter kicks cause the same problem, and may have been the trigger the first time I ever experienced the problem.
85: I should clarify that, excepting a couple of jobs where I was required to stand on a concrete floor for 8 hours, I've never had any back pain to speak of. Basically, the doctor told me to keep my abs strong (advice I haven't followed too closely) and to not lift more than 80 pounds (this advice I followed closely because following it takes very little effort).
Your doctors advice was self-contradicting and stupid, IMO.
Ronald Reagan was president when I got this advice. It might have gotten garbled over the years.
Roman chair and burpees (with jumping, so absurd looking) are good IME. I had lower back pain after situps for a while. I simultaneously started running occasionally and switched to crunches on those huge exercise balls, and no more pain after those changes.
I did one round of group exercise (a spinning class with some extras basically) from which I learned that varying exercise routines every month or two is really good, and that I personally don't much like group exercise, though lots of people do.
88: Or maybe the advice trickled down and made everyone's back stronger!
83: I have a rain jacket in one of those clone fabrics too. It's okay in the winter, in fact, it's surprisingly warm, but once the temperature is above 40 F, you baste in your own juices.
83: never understood people wearing waterproofs to go running. If you wear a waterproof all that achieves is getting your kit soaked with sweat rather than rain, assuming you're running as hard as you should be.
91: Stop running when the red plastic thing pops out.
92: There are, if you pay enough, fabrics that will stop rain drops from getting to you and still let sweat evaporate. At least, people who sell the fabrics say that. I've never tested them, but I could see how it could work since the sweat is vaporized and the rain comes in drops.
Stop running when the red plastic thing pops out.
If it was lost, you broke the first rule: a flanged base is a requirement, not an option.
92: I don't run in it - I use it for standing about in the rain, when required, and I used it up mountains this summer.
Lest I give the impression that my life is all healthful and shit, I've been persuaded to skip running today in order to do some bandmate bonding over Human Centipede (now available on Instant Netflix, I'm told), beers, and this snack item.
94: yes, I know, I own lots of kit made from them - Gore-Tex and so on - and they work very well for moderate exertion like climbing hills, but they don't work for running. You still get sweaty.
97: Speaking of the current cinema, is everyone else as excited as I am to see
this with a bud?
99: You had me at "Natalie Portman plays a warrior princess".
I'm not even that much of a Natalie Portman fan, but that Pineapple Express was just about my favorite stoner movie ever.
I found the cold weather running top thingie that I have: this thingie.
Along with a base layer and these (or something like them?) I was warm as shit but not uncomfortably bundled up and sweaty.
Also, do not underestimate the warm hat for temperature control With a good watchcap or similar, you should be warm enough running in fairly light clothes down to freezing.
101: There were girls in Pineapple Express?
104: No, see, Natalie Portman, even semi-nude, is not a draw for me. The participation of the Pineapple Express guys is.
Goretex shells over wicking undergarments work great for cross-country skiing in the snow. I'd imagine it would also work for running in the rain. Straight up waterproof shells are excellent windbreakers and will make sure the water hitting your body is warmer than the rain would be, but they're completely useless at keeping you dry.
"48: Do you believe in breathable fabrics and the like? I have a jacket I've been using for years that is meant to do this stuff and I've been wet in it too many times. Not GoreTex, but one of the clone fabrics (CheapoTex or WillThisDoTex or something)."
Yes. I am just saying most of the magical ness of tech fabrics is just not being actively bad.
Has Stanley figured out that swimming is objectively better than running?
swimming is objectively better than running
Depends on what you're trying to escape.
111: They renamed that basketball team, will. They're safe now.
Has Stanley figured out that swimming is objectively bwetter than running?
On topic: I just did 3.4 miles in 35.2 minutes. Which is disappointing because I'm not getting any faster. I'm going to have to try fartlicks or whatever. (It was 48F out and that gave me no problems.)
Also, when do I stop noticing that with some green tape I could change the addendum on a For Sale sign to "Cum In Rear"? I'm suppose to get wiser or something as I age, no?
116: I guess sometime before you twig to the fact that you could make it say "Cum in ear."