Re: Still watching a lot of TV these days

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Racist.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:03 AM
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I know. This technique is so widely used by advocacy groups, and it's so impossible to make the more nuanced point. I've been looking at posters on the train of the mothers of AIDS victims and thinking, "It's really not sociologically true that HIV touches everyone equally."

I know why they feel they have to say it, and I don't think there's an easy workaround given our society's adherence to the ideas of equality and lack of social class. But it sure is nonsensical.

And of course there are some issues where it is much more true, and it's helpful to upend people's presumptions of "That doesn't happen to anyone *I* know." Sexual assault certainly comes to mind as one of those.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:06 AM
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Who is the one in eight in your life?

Me! I'm hungry right now. But I'm going to go get a burger and end my suffering in a few minutes. Who's up next?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:06 AM
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Going by Google, one in eight Americans also are immigrants, will stop paying for cable in the next year, are behind on their mortgage payments, are internet addicts, and live in areas with unhealthy levels of particulates or ozone. They just never catch a break, do they?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:17 AM
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|? (always included pro forma)

Oooh, this from Digby is good

Economic inequality and regressive taxation, while certainly welcomed by the aristocracy, are best understood as a means to their actual goal, which is simply to be aristocrats.

That shows a little confusion in the piece and post, titled by Digby "Yearning to be subjects." And there is the opening sentence:

But the most central feature of conservatism is deference: a psychologically internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are.

Even the aristocrats want and need to be subjects, which means it is really about needing hierarchies and authority.

Was it Perls (or Berne) who said humans are driven by...I guess Berne...are driven by stimulus-hunger and structure-hunger? The whoever is cited on the blogosphere has a warped idea of what authority actually means. It is not only a king, it is also Samuelson the greater and Merriam-Webster. And the primacy of reason.

This could connect to the discussion of Rawls, Zizek, and liberalism over at CT, but Holbo...trailing off into spitting rage.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:25 AM
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Spit rage before it spits you.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:32 AM
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Holbo is really over my head. Who wants to watch Bio-Dome?


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:43 AM
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7:Not mine.

Holbo's whole schtick is "You (Zizek and everybody but Holbo) just don't argue good enough, peasant. I don't have to listen to/read you and neither should anybody else. Your style sucks and you're ugly. And your mama.

And he is a not as-subtle-as-he-thinks apologist for Narnian political economies neo-liberalism.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 10:57 AM
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The commercial has Tom Waits playing, and they say things about how hunger is a reality for too many Americans. Which is absolutely true. Then they say "One in eight Americans suffers from hunger. Who is the one in eight in your life?" Every time, I am compelled to bark "THAT'S NOT HOW DISTRIBUTIONS WORK."

I think they're saying that you should have someone like that in your life. You know, like if you live a safe and comfortable life and if even everyone you know does too, then go do a shift at the soup kitchen or sign up for a Fresh Air program or something.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:11 AM
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I don't live up to that myself and I'm not even sure if I believe it, but it's a plausible non-crazy and non-stupid meaning of the line.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:12 AM
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sign up for a Fresh Air program

Taking over hosting duties for Terry Gross would be a notable social good.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:13 AM
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9: or possibly spend all your money on drugs so you can't afford food.

"One in every eight Americans suffers from hunger. If you don't know anybody who does, maybe... it's you!"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:13 AM
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12.1: Ironically donate all your food (or food money) in the name of Pomplamoose.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:18 AM
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9: Yay, Cyrus!

I mean: I endorse 9. Though I have no idea what the Fresh Air reference is about.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:23 AM
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I think Cyrus is referring to the Fresh Air Fund, which AFAICT is unknown outside of NY. But they'll take hosts from other states! Open your home to a city kid for a week in the summer -- it's great fun.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:34 AM
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I don't think anyone has linked this site here. It collects awful and funny online dating messages. This one might be the worst imaginable.

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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:40 AM
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"THAT'S NOT HOW DISTRIBUTIONS WORK."

Well its hard to buy food when you're unemployed


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 11:44 AM
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I think this is a double-edged but necessary social fiction. On the one hand, the danger is that people will say, "But I don't actually know anyone suffering from x, therefore these PSA people must be full of crap," or alternately that they will mistake the much milder version of x that people they know do cope with for the more extreme form the people they don't know experience and decide that it's not such a big deal (folks do this with poverty all the time). On the other hand, if you say the more accurate thing, that the people suffering from x may not be in your comfortable-class life at all, outside of your occasional encounter with them while standing in line at the post office or the DMV, well comfortable folks have often already constructed a story for themselves about why the sufferings of such people are not their concern or are beyond their help. If you relocate the issue to the imagined community of All of Us, I think it's easier for people to engage with sympathy rather than distancing defenses.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:03 PM
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decide that it's not such a big deal (folks do this with poverty all the time)

Speaking of which, has anyone here done or heard of this "poverty simulator" workshop?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:12 PM
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I took her to a supermarket
I don't know why
but I had to start it somewhere
so it started there
I said "pretend you've got no money"
but she just laughed
and said "oh you're so funny"
I said "Yeah
Well I can't see anyone else smiling in here


Posted by: Jarvis Cocker | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:26 PM
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THAT'S NOT HOW DISTRIBUTIONS WORK.

Do you happen to inquire often for whom the bell tolls?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:34 PM
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I think Cyrus is referring to the Fresh Air Fund, which AFAICT is unknown outside of NY. But they'll take hosts from other states! Open your home to a city kid for a week in the summer -- it's great fun.

Yes, that's what I meant. I'm glad someone got it. I don't know anyone who actually was involved in the program, but growing up in Vermont where Fresh Air Fund kids would theoretically sent, I saw the pamphlets for host families now and then.

Obviously not a perfect example of this kind of thing, but it's the second kind of volunteer-to-help-the-poor-that-anyone-can-do program that came to mind.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:48 PM
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22: "would theoretically be sent".


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 1:48 PM
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This one might be the worst imaginable.

And it has now scared me off from dating anyone in this fine city.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 2:15 PM
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God I wish I was smart enough to participate in this conversation. But luckily, you guys are doing the heavy lifting. Why? Because you're THE BEST!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 2:22 PM
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Pauly is right. We are the best. Good point, Pauly.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 3:21 PM
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And it has now scared me off from dating anyone in this fine city.

I've been seeing someone from (near) that fine city, *and* I met her through a dating website. Don't give up hope!


Posted by: Th. Jefferson | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 3:55 PM
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27: Not to worry, I'm (mostly) joking.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 4:03 PM
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La cucaracha! La cucaracha!
Won't you guys be my amigos?

La cucaracha! La cucaracha!
I don't know enough Spanish to know a word that rhymes with amigos!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 4:25 PM
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I've been seeing someone from (near) that fine city, *and* I met her through a dating website. Don't give up hope!

Well, ok, but did she wash out all fecal matter before you met her? This is apparently the key question.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 4:49 PM
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I've been seeing someone from (near) that fine city, *and* I met her through a dating website. Don't give up hope!

Wait, how are we supposed to know that you aren't a total psycho?



Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 5:12 PM
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Distribution work by drawing power from the battery or the alternator. The change gets divided into 4, 6, or 8 parts (12 if you're a rich bastard) and then makes the gasoline go "boom."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 9:07 PM
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Explaining things is hard. I'm going to sleep.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-10 9:08 PM
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