Re: I Should Know Better Than To Believe Something Just Because It's In The Times, But...

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Given that the Hutts threw people to the Sarlacc, it won't be hard to improve things.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 5:50 AM
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Fascinatingly, comment 1 appears verbatim in the original screenplay of Conan the Barbarian.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 5:52 AM
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I was going for Star Wars, but nerd spelling isn't my strong point.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 5:59 AM
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Here's hoping the Times is having one of its momentary contacts with reality.

If the NYT went bankrupt (or was sold to Murdoch) would you miss it?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:13 AM
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Yes.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:22 AM
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What if it went bankrupt and the court sold off the Style section during reorganization?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:25 AM
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No.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:28 AM
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5. Why? I ask in perfect seriousness, because when the Times (no city mentioned on the masthead, London implicit) was sold to Murdoch, my parents stopped reading it, bought the Indy instead, and never looked back. With so much more news online these days, I'd have thought it would be even easier to shrug off the loss of a once great dead tree.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:28 AM
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As long as people are critiquing the Times, Yglesias linked to this and I immediately thought of Unfogged. (Apologies if someone linked to it in another thread, but I don't see it here, at least.)


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:41 AM
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OK, the link in 9 is funny.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:47 AM
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I have so much resentment toward Golden People like the woman in 9. I know such folk are just lucky and have a gift for time-management, but still...


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:25 AM
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9 pwned?
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2010/11/19/nytimes_most_emailed_headlines_open2010


Posted by: ursyne | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:29 AM
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11: Also, not an actual person, bob -- so, even luckier!


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The list in 12 omits an important headline: "Woman parlays husbands investment banking fortune into a fascinating and personal fulfilling, though probably barely (if at all) profitable business venture"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:55 AM
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Also, "An expensive and/or time-intensive child-rearing technique you will scoff at, even as you worry about your own children's chances of admission to a top tier college against such competition".


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:00 AM
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I have so much resentment toward Golden People

What about Goldfinger? I'll grant that it's pretty boilerplate pop-punk/ska, but that album Hang-Ups was something special. I nearly wore the cassette out driving around during high school.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:01 AM
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"That loathesome individual we reported on two years ago? You'll never believe how he/she final got his/her comeuppance."


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:10 AM
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"This vaguely plausible and strikingly counterintuitive argument we ripped off from an unnamed blogger"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:12 AM
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Won't anybody come out and play with me? Oudemia? Flippanter?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:14 AM
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19:

You left off the quotation marks.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:15 AM
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"The Latest Green Initiative of a Fortune 50 Company"


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:18 AM
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That's more like it! How about "Salacious scandal involving faculty member of Brearley or Dalton, hithertofore unmentioned in the Times despite being exhaustively reported elsewhere"?


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:26 AM
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"A food considered by previous generations to be disgusting, but which is appearing on menus at exclusive places all over town these days, mostly because it can be procured cheaply and sold dearly"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:31 AM
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"Bloggers: can you find all 21 logical fallacies in this article? Thanks for the links."


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:34 AM
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24 is from the "most blogged" tab. Different genre, for the most part. But hey, the more the merrier at this point!


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:36 AM
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"Who knew this cool thing was in New Jersey? I mean, it's still New Jersey and all, but hey!"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:41 AM
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Good! Awesome! Spectacular!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:43 AM
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"The latest multi-million-dollar, must-have status symbol for hedge fund managers in Greenwich. We counted three, so that makes it a trend. Also, an Italian-American dude who got totally rich selling them."


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:43 AM
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LB, see here and here. Al-Nahda has a working relationship with the largely secular and Social Democratic Tunisian trade union movement, which is unusual in an Islamist party. (I think he's overselling Al-Nahda's commitment to women's rights, but I can't find a citation or anything. But I think it's, you know, happy happy politician bullshit rather than Newspeak or outright lying.)


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:48 AM
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"Fashion: You'll guffaw when you see what they've thought up this time, but don't laugh too hard; nine months from now you'll be wearing a slightly toned down mass market version."


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:51 AM
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"An amusing, unanticipated consequence of the latest popular consumer electronics device. We make a half-hearted effort to portray it as a serious problem, but mostly we're playing it for entertainment value. If only we could pull this off the way the WSJ does!"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:54 AM
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re: 29

Having a relatively high rate of democratic participation by women isn't necessarily at odds with lots of other measures that are at odds with what we'd ordinarily think of as women's rights. See Iran, for example.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:57 AM
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I've been playing Bejeweled Blitz all morning and boy are my fingers tired! But I got a new high score!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 8:57 AM
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"Washington, D.C. It sometimes seems hip, but it still isn't New York."


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 9:16 AM
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"Feud between rival rich tycoons / divorcing spouses / owners of adjacent Hamptons mansions features appallingly childish behavior"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 9:23 AM
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At my college paper, we always joked that every lead story on the front page had to include the words "budget", "Regents" or "legislature". NYT is not really that different.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 9:44 AM
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I remember someone (I'm thinking John Cleese for some reason) writing that they lost their job at Newsweek after realizing that they were unable to comply with the house-style expectation that the second paragraph of every article begin, "By the beginning of this week, however, it was obvious that ..."


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 9:55 AM
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I had a theory in college that the WaPo editors were engaged in an inside joke to see how many days in a row they could have a headline in the A section include the word "probe". I started counting, and I think the highest they ever got before I lost interest was twenty-seven days in a row.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:25 AM
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I would, actually, miss the NYT a lot if it went away. I don't trust it as far as I could throw Ross Douthat, but it's got good broad coverage, and on stories where I'm up to speed I can usually correct for its slant (not, obviously, on Tunisian politics). And great as the internet is, I find that it doesn't work well for me for scanning the day's headlines -- I'll read a story that something points me to, but I don't find myself reading stories I wasn't previously aware of online.

(Also, ashamed as I am of it, I find all the Style/Dining/Whatever section crap entertaining, even as I make fun of it.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:38 AM
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This NY Times parody was a bit too earnest.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:49 AM
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I would miss the crossword puzzles.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:53 AM
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but I don't find myself reading stories I wasn't previously aware of online

See, I don't understand this. My browser opens to My Yahoo, with weather and sports scores and markets in a column at the right, and 200 hundred current news stories at the left. Search engines upper right corner. I probably open it 10-30 times a day. I can't imagine avoiding the news.

I just checked Google news, and it looks similar. Do other people open their browsers to Unfogged?


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:10 AM
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I have always opened my browser to a blank page.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:15 AM
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43: For many, the stark blank page triggers procrastinators block. Seems like you've successfully overcome that, though.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:19 AM
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Like apo, about:blank is my home.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:22 AM
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I get all my news from Unfogged. Are you suggesting TFA are incomplete?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:23 AM
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43:For gawd's sake why? What, a blank, and from there move to weather.com or espn or whatever? Extra step is so inefficient. I could see setting up favorites on your desktop and using those.

I can also see someone setting different priorities, putting showbiz gossip and style at the top of the aggregator and so missing a tsunami or dow crash.

But if you want headlines or any other stories, you certainly don't need the dead tree with full page ads to get them in seconds, automatically.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:31 AM
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I don't know why it doesn't work well for me, I just find myself, when reading online, filtering out headlines that aren't what I'm immediately interested in. The paper-newspaper, I read at least a paragraph of almost everything in the A section; online, if it doesn't catch my eye instantly, it's as if I never saw it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:49 AM
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I just checked Google news, and it looks similar. Do other people open their browsers to Unfogged?

No, Google.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:54 AM
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49 s/b "No soap, Google."


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:58 AM
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I open my browser to a blank page, but in Firefox I have the home page set to the Yahoo front page, which I have set up to let me check weather and see if there's anything in my Yahoo and Gmail accounts. There's also the standard Yahoo front page stuff, but I push the text headlines to the top of the page and drop the picture boxes that usually show celebrities or link to video clips shorter than the ads that precede them to the bottom of the page.

I'd do the same thing in Chrome, but Chrome doesn't allow that combination of blank/home pages. I don't have any personal preferences set in IE and I think I deleted all the pre-loaded bookmarks.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:07 PM
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Angelenos know what happens when a great paper fades away. It sucks.

To KR's game, "Young New Yorker discovers innovative way to use small amount of space."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:08 PM
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For gawd's sake why?

So I don't have to wait for a page to load that I don't want to see. When I open a browser window, I already know where I want to go.

Extra step is so inefficient.

Extra step is there regardless, except you have to wait for a page full of stuff to load before moving on to Step 2. But, you know, de gustibus.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:09 PM
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You know, I'm really fond of the line "For many dogs, the future is already here." I think I may start working it into as many conversations as possible.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:18 PM
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I'm not even sure what my homepage is. I currently have eleven open tabs, all articles, etc., I'm meaning to get to at some point. That's a pretty normal amount for me. I should really be powering my laptop down between uses, but I'm a monster.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:22 PM
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"Old-timey craft finds new life through young people in Brooklyn."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:22 PM
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55: Yes, but you're not history's greatest.

Yet.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:25 PM
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54: That sounds challenging!

Child: What will I be when I grow up, daddy?
Rob: Well, Child, for many dogs, the future is already here -- so why don't you ask Fido?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:29 PM
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"French people are doing something sterotypically French."

"A podunk small city is experiencing a revival in its downtown and now has new galleries and coffee shops that are mildly interesting."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:33 PM
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Sorry for commenting so much, but I'm compensating for my exceptionally small penis.


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:36 PM
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"Old-timey craft finds new life through young people in Brooklyn."

See? I knew I could count on you!

How about this one? "Researchers say secret to relationship success is to do this one thing the way women are always saying it should be done and not the way men like it"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:39 PM
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Angelenos know what happens when a great paper fades away. It sucks.

Along with Chicagoans, Bostonians, Londoners, Washingtonians...


Posted by: KR | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:42 PM
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I should really be powering my laptop down between uses

I always think it's weird when people do this. My laptop gets rebooted maybe once a month. Sometimes less. Usually this doesn't involve fully powering down.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:46 PM
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"Soho Loft of Venture Capitalist and Wife Really Very Nice"


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:46 PM
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I think that pretty much covers the NYT possibilities. Move on to the Voice?
"New York Police Officer Engages In Corruption and/or Brutality"


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:49 PM
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"Good Time Had By All Participants in Edgy, Outsider Sex-Positive Workshop."


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:51 PM
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I ask in perfect seriousness, because when the Times (no city mentioned on the masthead, London implicit) was sold to Murdoch, my parents stopped reading it, bought the Indy instead

Therein lies the problem for USians. The other "national" newspapers are the Washington Post and USA Today.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:56 PM
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"Innovative sex toy generating brisk sales"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:56 PM
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68 was to 65, obvs. Also: "Person recently appearing in the news a lot has sordid past / dodgy family connections"


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 12:59 PM
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53:You have to wait for pages to load? I just checked, and I never got to two-thousand anywhere


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:06 PM
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"The real estate market is tough if you want to live where rich people live, but these people who make a lot of money and spend a lot of money have managed to find places"


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:07 PM
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And nobody has given me any reason to believe the young lady in 9 is not real. There was a picture! I though all Nawkers were just like that.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:08 PM
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You have to wait for pages to load?

That would depend on how Yahoo is doing any given day, wouldn't it? This is a habit that I started back in the 14.4/28.8/33.6 modem days, so. Anyhow, under your best-case scenario, we're spending the same amount of time and energy but I'm not spending any time reading the headlines Yahoo tells me I should read.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:14 PM
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but I'm not spending any time reading the headlines Yahoo tells me I should read.

It's because you think you're better than bob, isn't it?


Posted by: M/tch M/ll | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:19 PM
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It's because I'm easily distracted by shiny objects.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:21 PM
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Yeah, I developed my habit when I was on a slower computer and on a slower connection. Yahoo just took too damn long to load, and often it wasn't the first page I wanted. But I realized after a short time with no home page that I still checked Yahoo a lot, mostly because it's just easier to go to the front page and click over to news, sports, weather, etc. so I made Yahoo the homepage. That way, I can get to Yahoo when I want to without typing, and don't go to Yahoo when I don't want to.

On slower computers like netbooks, the page load times are still noticeable for complicated pages like Yahoo.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 1:21 PM
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74:Isn't everybody?

Brad DeLong ...income in America by age and gender. Sigh.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:15 PM
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Not everybody.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:30 PM
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You Think Houses Are a Slow Sell? Try a Yacht


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"What is tougher than having one sleek mega-yacht for sale in a glutted market? The answer, for the moment at least, is having two mega-yachts on the market."


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:53 PM
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79: Probably because yachts aren't boats, as urple has taught us.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:53 PM
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"Weekend Arts: actor/musician loved by New Yorkers and unheard of by the rest of humanity manages to mask complete insanity for the length of an interview, but not narcissism, pretense, and subpar intelligence."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:54 PM
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Why? I ask in perfect seriousness, because when the Times (no city mentioned on the masthead, London implicit) was sold to Murdoch, my parents stopped reading it, bought the Indy instead, and never looked back. With so much more news online these days, I'd have thought it would be even easier to shrug off the loss of a once great dead tree.

Well, you know, there aren't any other newspapers similar to the New York Times.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:54 PM
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81: Actually, I believe what urple meant is that yachts aren't "boats".


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:56 PM
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Going down to the sea in boats, doesn't have the right ring to it. Plus, those who do go down to the sea in boats spend way too much time underwater.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 2:59 PM
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"Do I want a yacht?
Oh, how I do not!"

(Sounds like: Dr. Seuss.
Is: Cole Porter.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 3:00 PM
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"Sunday Magazine: It's a devastating, but little known disease. There is no cure for it. And now it has afflicted an acquaintance of the editor."


Posted by: Knecht Ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 3:08 PM
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Keith Olbermann Out, now, at MSNBC

Thanks Obama, for approving the Comcast takeover. Maddow, after DADT, has become a total tool, mocking Glenn Greenwald. She'll keep her job.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 6:50 PM
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"I think the same fantasy has popped into the head of everybody in my business who has ever been told what I've been told, that this is going to be the last edition of your show," he began, in the same intense, verbose manner in which he's been hosting Countdown for nearly eight years.

"You go directly to the scene from the movie Network, complete with the pajamas and the raincoat, and you go off on an existential, otherworldly journey of unutterable profundity and vision, you damn the impediments and you insist upon the insurrections, and then you emit Peter Finch's guttural, resonant, 'So,' and you implore the viewer to go to the window, open it, stick out his head and yell...well, you know the rest."

Olbermann was referring, of course, to the famous "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" scene in the 1976 film.

How easily we were fooled, how so very easily are we becoming slaves. Gonna be a barnburner of a SotU.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:08 PM
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And yet the one new person to get a job in the reshuffle is a Firebagger . . .


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I'm not finding the time to keep up with even a fraction of the comments here over the last week or so due to general busy-ness with work and life, and it's making me feel like I'm falling behind on an important task. My priorities: let me show you them.

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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:23 PM
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I would, actually, miss the NYT a lot if it went away ...

I asked because you seem to reflexively defend the likes of Charles Rangel, John Edwards or Acorn when they are attacked from the right but in the case of the NYT you join in which I found curious.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 7:49 PM
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There must be something that distinguishes advocates from stenographers, but I can't quite put my finger on it.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:00 PM
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You can't make guacamole out of stenographers.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:01 PM
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Oh, essear. How provincial.


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:04 PM
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Speaking of the NYT, this is, in all seriousness, a fantastic way to read the country's least crappy newspaper. (Tested with Safari and Chrome.)


Posted by: Standpipe Bridgeplate | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 10:14 PM
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That website is asking to store data on my computer for offline use.

This is not just a cookie, I take it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-21-11 11:14 PM
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I asked because you seem to reflexively defend the likes of Charles Rangel, John Edwards or Acorn when they are attacked from the right but in the case of the NYT you join in which I found curious.

There's a lot of bullshit in that statement that would take awhile to unravel (what prominent attack on ACORN merits anything other than reflexive abhorrence?), but I doubt that anyone here shares the Right's critique of the NYT.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 5:16 AM
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96: I'm very fond of the regular web site. I think it's by far the best of its kind.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 5:18 AM
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The liberal critique of the NYT often involves stuff like this, where the Times just fails to grasp basic information about the Constitution.

The conservative critique of the Times generally looks more like this, where the critic is upset that the Times has a basic grasp of history and the Constitution.


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... but I doubt that anyone here shares the Right's critique of the NYT.

You may not share the critique but the "you can't believe anything in the NYT" trope is common on the right and adopting it does not seem helpful to to the paper which is endangered. But of course it is up to you, you can spend your time and effort defending the ACORN if you think that is more helpful to the liberal cause.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 6:52 AM
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ACORN no longer exists, I believe it was deemed a terrorist organization by congressional Democrats in some sort of preemptive compromise or something. Stay tuned for when the same thing happens to the SEIU and the National Academy of Sciences.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:06 AM
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if you think that is more helpful to the liberal cause blog commenting is a zero-sum activity of huge impact on the outside world.

FTFY.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:09 AM
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103: Are you arguing against James or commenting?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:29 AM
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Obermannly rumours abound. O hisself has actually set up a Facebook page "Bring back Keith Olberman" WTF?

One rumor involves ComCast plunking many millions into their Sports Channel Versus, and KO preferring foorball to politics anyway and wanting to anchor a major competitor to ESPN. Pettiness has always been KO.

Myself? I mutter, point darkly toward the news that negotiations with Iran have finally irrevocably bitterly broken down, assume the PtB wanted the voice of the people sidelined, and viciously snark at Maddow, who will cheer her LBGT bros et sisses as they bayonet babies in the streets of Teheran. At least they are open and respected, ya know!

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:30 AM
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I wasn't actually looking for an evidence-based debate, but thanks Bob.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:45 AM
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... bayonet babies ...

Are US troops even issued bayonets these days?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:54 AM
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105.last: The PANSY used to war and battle
Would sooner take a life than not;
It scarcely has begun to prattle
When he impales the hapless tot.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:54 AM
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Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 7:54 AM
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JP does not need to worry about homosexual-wielded bayonets. He needs to worry about some dude deciding to bag a turkey right there on the road.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:33 AM
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Good morning, friends! I wanted to comment earlier, but Mom let me watch Saturday morning cartoons. Yay!


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:36 AM
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101: ACORN is a nice illustration. The right in its bigotry and self-interest was incensed that the wheels of institutional classism and racism at the Times (and other mainstream media) did not kick in on their own, and the Times only belatedly piled-on in response to those screams of outrage. I am outraged that they chose to pile-on at all (much less turned their energy to exposing the fraudulent nature of the "takedown"). A desperately low episode for the Times.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:42 AM
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110: You calling me a turkey, turkey?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:45 AM
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113: People who stop by the side of the street in a fairly built-up area to shoot things probably aren't careful in their selection of targets. I mean, sure, we've all stopped the car to shoot some animal, but most of us don't do it in town or often enough to get 90 days for it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:49 AM
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Is it more humane if you stop the vehicle and then throw fruit at the bird? Some people really enjoy a good peach gobbler.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:54 AM
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114: OK, so an inadvertent turkey. Actually, a guy I know has a permit to bowhunt deer in an assigned part of Fox Chapel. Also, Fox Chapel proper--where I do not live--is not a very townish town.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:56 AM
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You may not share the critique but the "you can't believe anything in the NYT" trope is common on the right and adopting it does not seem helpful to to the paper which is endangered.

Although the critiques on the right and left are expressed, more or less, in those terms, the underlying basis for those critiques is wildly different. See 100.

The Right critique is characterized by the belief that the Times is systematically biased against the Right. The correct critique is that the Times is systematically biased against factuality.

Enforcing the use of euphemism regarding torture is, yes, superficially a bias favoring the Right. But that's not what's wrong with it.

Being helpful to the Times isn't particularly a concern of mine. If the Times can't make a living telling the truth, then fuck 'em. I don't care what happens to them.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 8:59 AM
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116: Can anybody get one of those permits? If I had a permit, I could shoot a deer, if I had an arrow, if it wasn't nut-clenching cold out. (I have a bow.)


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:00 AM
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Being helpful to the Times isn't particularly a concern of mine. If the Times can't make a living telling the truth, then fuck 'em. I don't care what happens to them.

Ok, you don't care if the right takes the NYT down but you do care if they take ACORN down. How about LB?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:08 AM
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Oops again, 119 -> 117.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:09 AM
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I should hope that everyone here would be concerned if the right took me down.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:12 AM
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I put out peanuts in the park to keep squirrels from eating the acorns.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:14 AM
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112: Yes. This catches the other thing that James fails to get: The Times's actions weren't reprehensible because ACORN was an efficacious liberal organization. The Times was loathsome because it lied unrepentantly about ACORN.

In the matter of media criticism, human decency doesn't have to be liberal any more than scientific or historical factuality must be solely a concern of liberals. It is, however, a contingent fact that this is the case in the U.S. in 2011.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:16 AM
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So if the NYT gets one story (or even a few stories) wrong it deserves to die?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:20 AM
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124: I've been down this road before.


Posted by: Opinionated Abraham | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:26 AM
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I put out peanuts in the park

About that...


Posted by: Anaphylactic Squirrel | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:27 AM
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Ok, you don't care if the right takes the NYT down but you do care if they take ACORN down.

Not at all what I'm getting at. If the Right takes down the NYT it will be in the service of falsehood, just as their takedown of ACORN was rooted in falsehood.

Falsehood = Bad. That's the root of my media critique.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:28 AM
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So if the NYT gets one story (or even a few stories) wrong it deserves to die?

No. If you want to reduce this to a simple formula, that formula looks something like this: To the precise extent that its existence serves falsehood, it deserves to die. And, in fact, it serves falsehood to a pretty significant extent.

That said, on balance, I'd be sorry if the NYT shut down. I still think that on balance, the Times is a valuable organization.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:32 AM
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Falsehood = Bad.

But can we really afford such an un-nuanced view in a post-9/11 world?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:32 AM
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127

Not at all what I'm getting at. If the Right takes down the NYT it will be in the service of falsehood, just as their takedown of ACORN was rooted in falsehood.

But you accept the right wing claim that the NYT is generally unreliable?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:33 AM
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That said, on balance, I'd be sorry if the NYT shut down. I still think that on balance, the Times is a valuable organization.

If so then perhaps it is a bad idea for liberals to take gratuitous shots at it.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:37 AM
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Which shot was "gratuitous"?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:43 AM
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132 to Showgirls.


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132

Which shot was "gratuitous"?

I thought the title of the post was taking a gratuitous shot at the NYT.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:50 AM
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Yes, LB should really stop making cheap jokes on the internet. Nobody does that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:57 AM
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I don't think it's gratuitous; I think it applies to any major newspaper in the US. It's perfectly consistent to think the Times prints any number of questionable or outright propagandistic things, and still think it's the best newspaper with national exposure that we have.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 9:58 AM
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Can you stop projecting, James?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:05 AM
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Shorter James:

Why are you hitting yourself? Stop hitting yourself. I don't know why you keep hitting yourself.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:13 AM
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Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:25 AM
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136

I don't think it's gratuitous; I think it applies to any major newspaper in the US. It's perfectly consistent to think the Times prints any number of questionable or outright propagandistic things, and still think it's the best newspaper with national exposure that we have.

Would you defend a similar shot at unions or public employees who also of course do any number of questionable things?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:27 AM
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But you accept the right wing claim that the NYT is generally unreliable?

Unreliable in what sense? The Times is an unreliable servant of the Right - I agree that this is true, but I don't agree that this is a problem.

The Times is also an unreliable servant of factuality. I think that's a problem, but I don't think it's particularly relevant to the Right's critique of the Times.

I've said this in different ways several times now. I'm not sure how it's possible for you to characterize my argument the way you have.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:31 AM
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Why are you hitting yourself? Stop hitting yourself. I don't know why you keep hitting yourself.

Actually you are hitting the NYT, a liberal institution which I actually like. The kiss of death I know.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:31 AM
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I like the crossword puzzle and the smug sense of circumstance-enforced humility I get from knowing I couldn't possibly afford to be as pointless as the people mentioned in the Style section.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 10:52 AM
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144: Truly, making a virtue out of necessity.


Posted by: Jimmy Pongo | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:23 AM
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"Idiot fresh out of college gets deal on apartment for no reason other than luck, the likes of which you will never, ever get."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:25 AM
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Hey Shearer, the paper that I cited you in was accepted for publication.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:29 AM
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My cousin is staying with us this weekend. It's 1 pm and he's still asleep. I'm having an intense parental reaction: "He's wasting the day away! He's still asleep!?" Every ten minutes, I can't believe all over again that he's still asleep.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:39 AM
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Now, now, heebie. He's a growing boy.


Posted by: Stanley's Grandmother | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:43 AM
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"Dayton for under $900.00 a day".

(Cribbed that one from this parody ad.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:43 AM
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Stanley-grandma, he's 27!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:44 AM
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The two times I went to Dayton, I didn't stay overnight. Day trips save money over the luxury hotels of Dayton.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:54 AM
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147: Have you considered getting a really shitty mattress for your guest bedroom.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 11:55 AM
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You mean, so that we can wake him up under the guise of swapping his mattress? It seems easier just to toss the toddler on him.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:00 PM
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That's the third time in three days I've bitten the inside of my lip by mistake in a particularly slicing way that makes it bleed. New spot each time, too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:01 PM
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I forgot about using the power of a toddler. Just tell her your cousin has a cookie or something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:02 PM
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You could do like my one housemate does and put on a pop-punk CD really, really loud without any regard to the time of day or night. (Um, not that this is something that bothers me or anything. Really. I swear.)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:03 PM
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He's still asleep! It's 1:30! Hawaiian Punch is down for her nap. But maybe when she wakes up I'll tell her about the cookies he's hoarding.

(I can picture her tentatively walking up to him, checking back at us, totally unsure what to do and nervous around a stranger, but willing to do pretty much anything for cookies.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:05 PM
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And he came in from New York. So to him, it's 2:30. 2:30!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:06 PM
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If he sleeps until 4:00 (central), legally you can take one of his kidneys.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:10 PM
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Maybe your cousin heard that everything's bigger in Texas, and now he keeps going back to sleep, hoping for that first big Texas-style dream.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:18 PM
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Ew. He's my cousin.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:21 PM
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and put on a pop-punk CD really, really loud

Wagner is also good for this.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:22 PM
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re: 163

Or Eric Dolphy.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:36 PM
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My print of Crystallized arrived. It's got about two inches of whitespace margin at the top and bottom, which makes it feel noticeably smaller than I was expecting, which is kind of disappointing. I got the 11x14 size, and I guess the picture itself is nearly square, probably about 10x10.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:39 PM
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I had a similar disappointment when I saw the "Mona Lisa." Something that famous should be bigger.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:45 PM
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Still asleep! Nearly 2:30 central time! That's 3:30 east coast time!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:50 PM
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re: 165

You don't really 'see' it do you? It's more a sort of glimpse over a huge scrum of fuckers holding cameras up to take shitty pictures of it.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:50 PM
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166: Wow. If he ever wakes up, you can tell him that a whole internetful of a slackers is duly impressed with his contributions to the cause.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:52 PM
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164: my friend who I gave that other print too was thrilled.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:53 PM
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169: Because of the extra vowel.


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Yees.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:56 PM
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The 10x10 size kind of makes it look like an album cover, actually. I'm starting to like it, after I adjusted my expectations.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:57 PM
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You know, I'm still in bed, and it's 9:30pm here. He can do better.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 12:57 PM
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Socialist countries don't count.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:03 PM
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174: How do they enumerate things then?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:04 PM
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In socialist countries, things enumerate you.


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175: They have trouble. The Warsaw Pact countries actually loved American figure skaters, but kept messing up when they assigned a score.


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How do they enumerate things then?

Yours, mine, ours?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:11 PM
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Hey Shearer, the paper that I cited you in was accepted for publication.

That's nice. I suppose I should try to read it sometime.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:29 PM
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In general, I'd rather people read my blogs than my math papers.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:32 PM
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180: Hooray.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:33 PM
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It's 3:00! Everyone in the house beside me and Jammies has been asleep since noon! Or since last night. This is a weird afternoon.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:35 PM
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But in Unfoggedland it is only 1335. Could be your cousin is on server time.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:38 PM
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I do like the image of a tentative toddler trying to decide how to get the treat. I have seen similar situations.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:39 PM
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182: Hey, that's pretty good if the HP duo have both been asleep that long.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 1:43 PM
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Have you checked for a pulse, heebie? 147 would seem pretty awkward if, you know...


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 2:13 PM
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All three woke up shortly after three. To the park!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 2:24 PM
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"Young marrieds can be cool too if they have sufficient money and edge."

Eve and Rich Kessner left the West Village for Park Slope with their daughter, Avi, last March. But after six months, they found themselves looking for a new place to live.
"It felt really suburban to me," said Ms. Kessner, 29, a jewelry designer and blogger. "Park Slope has puppets and guitar strumming for kids. In Williamsburg, it is like rock 'n' roll for kids."

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 3:40 PM
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That's the third time in three days I've bitten the inside of my lip by mistake in a particularly slicing way that makes it bleed.

Watch out for Heebie-Geebie. She's mean, and has really sharp teeth.


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"Park Slope has puppets and guitar strumming for kids. In Williamsburg, it is like rock 'n' roll for kids."

I don't get it. Does this mean puppets and guitar strumming (for kids) is really suburban and not rock'n'roll for kids? Then what's Williamsburg, which is rock'n'roll for kids, like? Is rock'n'roll for kids, as in Williamsburg, not suburban? I totally don't get it.

Maybe I could read the article.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 4:57 PM
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Or, just go through life baffled and incredulous. It's kinda up to you.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 5:15 PM
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I wish I had arms enough to hug all of you at once.


Posted by: Pauly Shore | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 5:16 PM
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Or, just go through life baffled and incredulous.

At least with respect to this one tiny issue. My appetite for knowledge is not all-encompassing; sometimes you just have to let certain things go.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 01-22-11 5:26 PM
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Isn't every NYT Style article reduceable to "Unbelievably huge douchebag shows their douchebaggery, oblivious to how hated they are"?


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