From the article: "It may be that the commonly held wisdom was wrong, that people just liked to imagine women in college having sex together"
Also, this makes sense: "the new findings may reflect class dynamics, with high school dropouts living in surroundings with few desirable and available male partners."
Ok, gentlemen, time to recalibrate all your fantasies.
As I recall, Robust has weighed in with some research on at least one half of the male version of this study with rather different results.
The gender gap on reporting homosexuality remains substantial: Twice as many women as men reported same-sex behavior.
Fixed that for them.
Currently the public profile of poor, working-class and minority lesbians consists mostly of stories about Kenneth Faried.
people just liked to imagine women in college having sex together
Approximately a million porn sites agree.
I'm surprised they didn't ask any of the women whether their sex acts were done in exchange for money or something else. It seems entirely possible that the LUG phenomenon still exists, but is somewhat less common than prostitution.
Classic lose-lose study: whichever way the result went, people would say "Well, duh".
I haven't read all the way through the report--I wonder if the paper concludes with calls for further follow-up research in dorms, cheerleader locker-rooms, etc. Or branching out into other, related areas, such as interaction effects between surprisingly attractive housewives and cable repairmen or plumbers.
My favorite line: "It's like junior year abroad in Gay World."
Funny, b/c Leo loves to make (I'm pretty sure facetious) comments to the effect of "That what girls do in college, right?" Also, he ended a story last night with "...and then I found $5." I'm convinced he's secretly a commenter here and is just hiding his Unfogged habit from me...
And did we talk here about the census info saying that there are more (proportionally, I think) gay couples parenting in the south than anywhere else? Probably, and I just don't remember things as well as I used to. There's a NYT article profiling a few families.
Why would they even tell us information this useless?
Almost 29 percent of the females and 27 percent of the males, age 15 to 24, had had no sexual contact15 to 24 is an awfully big window in terms of sexual development.
I always thought the LUG phenomenon was more a question of disgruntled lesbians bemoaning the "until graduation" part of the stereotype.
Lesbians intimidate me. Well, not just lesbians, but women in general. Except my mom. She's the BEST! She cuts the crust off my sandwiches!
Also, mom wants me to ask when you guys are coming back over.
Ok, gentlemen, time to recalibrate all your fantasies.
Done and done. It was time for spring cleaning anyway. So long, daydreams of dark-eyed Russian princesses draped in sable! See you next Christmas!
Just call her directly, though. I'm going to be busy playing Farmville. I'm planting rutabagas!
Rutabagas are root vegetables! They should call them rootabagas! I guess they kinda do! HA HA HA HA HA!
I think most people would party more if they stuck around their high school crowd after high school, than if they went to college. If nothing else, it gets boring, and people party when they're bored. The more you party, the more likely you are to make out with other people.
Oh man (or woman!), I crack me up! It's okay to laugh along, buddies. I know you'll be laughing with me and not at me, because that's what the school counselor told me. She always makes me feel better!
Okay, back to the ROOTabagas! HA HA HA HA!
17: Read this somewhat confusingly written paragraph closely (Waudda is his mother).
"That's my own child," said Waudda (pronounced "Wa-dee-uh") Faried ("Fah-reed"), who traveled here with her partner, a woman named Mashsin Copeland. "That's my son. My wife has lots of children, but Kenneth is my own. I birthed him. Oh, I love my son so much."
23: sounds plausible. It's hard to get at causal pathways with large-scale survey research. I'd want to hear the reactions to the survey from more ground-level sociologists/anthropologists.
"17" s/b "23" in 25. Teetering on the brink of infinite regress here.
""17 s/b "23" in 25" s/b ""17" s/b "25" in 26""
25: Whoops. I don't even see gender.
No more teetering on the brink of infinite regress to Ferlin Husky or Princess Antoinette of Monaco.
If nothing else, it gets boring, and people party when they're bored. The more you party, the more likely you are to make out with other people.
...you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.
People party when they're bored only if they have friends.
31: Ferlin Husky is up there with Curdy Buff (very minor character in Pale Fire) in the male porn star name derby.
33: Paty of One, dude, party of one.
From a review of the book, She also identifies "pseudoloners" like Theodore Kaczynski and Jesus Christ (who "was too good at guiding crowds to have been one of us").
People party when they're bored only if they have friends.
This is a little bit circular, though. There are plenty of people who can only handle being sociable when they drink, so they have a few drinks before heading to a bar or a party, and before long they have a group of people they drink with.
People party when they're bored only if they have friends.
... Not always.
When there weren't any parties, she'd park by the quarry.
Walk into the woods until she came to a clearing.
Where townies would gather and drink until blackout.
Smoke cigs 'til they're sick. Pack bowls and then pass out.
Windows wide open to let the hard rock in,
Theirs was a rage that didn't need much convincing.
The girls gave her glares but the boys were quite pleasant;
To be totally honest, they didn't seem that much different.
When there weren't any parties, sometimes she partied with townies.
As soon as I saw it was a Youtube video, I knew what band it was by.
This is a little bit circular, though. There are plenty of people who can only handle being sociable when they drink, so they have a few drinks before heading to a bar or a party, and before long they have a group of people they drink with.
If someone doesn't have any friends, they won't be going to a party. Bar, yes.
If someone doesn't have any friends, they won't be going to a party.
I was thinking house party. The kind where if you're not invited, no one can really tell. I've definitely known lonely antisocial people who would have a couple drinks, and then crash any old party around.
ground-level sociologists/anthropologists
I'd like to see the IRB human subjects review of a proposed ethnography of undergraduate sexual experimentation.
I'd like to see the IRB human subjects review of a proposed ethnography of undergraduate sexual experimentation.
Can't find the link, but there was a bit of a controversy awhile back when an anthropologist wrote an almost unbelievably obtuse article musing about whether he'd perhaps crossed an ethical line when he slept with numerous women he met while doing an ethnography of fat-acceptance groups (even fathering a child with one).
42: If you do find it, I'd love to read that. Also, thanks for saying something to James in the other thread. I just couldn't.
Yes, I would like to see that too. A lazy google doesn't bring it up.
We just had an old friend visit who's finishing an anthro degree (10 years). She was happy to hold forth on all the problems of the field.
I'm finding the study's results hard to believe, mainly because 100% of the two Mrs. Reagans were L's until G or shortly thereafter.
L's until G
Lithuanians until Gorbachev?
Maybe if they had just stayed L after G you could have had concurrent, rather than sequential, Mrs Reagans.
I wonder what the last time was that I used "to party" as a verb. Maybe 15 years ago? N.b. I am not a heroin addict.
42: Goode, Sexual involvement and Social Research in a Fat Social Civil Rights Organization, Qualitative Sociology, Vol. 25, No. 4, Winter 2002.
Google provided a PDF but not a direct link. It is thoroughly appalling.
The Rubik's cube passage demonstrates the merit of the analogy ban.
Previously,
http://www.slate.com/id/2287479/
Sweet jesus, does S*letan come off as a creepy motherfucker. I feel more creeped out reading his various "my interest in women assfucking is purely for Science, Comrades" than ... I dunno. Some suitably hyperbolic comparison.
Wow, I just looked at his picture for the first time. Now I'm more creeped out than ever!
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NMM: the most important founder of Brit Rock and Roll. Not that anybody cares any more.
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Actual Onion article on the topic.
54: Did he really change the name of his entire column [it's a column, right?] to "The Back Alley"?
Saletan is up there with Colonel Qaddafi as a person with an echo chamber that segregates him from reality. You just need 50 people who respond to everything you do with "Right on, boss. It's ridiculous how the mainstream media refuses to put together a national conversation about why some women have different orgasms from other women. How do they sleep at night? There's all this rock-solid, unquestionable evidence out there that could change the entire way our civilization thinks if it wasn't being suppressed."