Re: Woo, hook 'em, Green Mountain State!

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Obama Denies Vermont Healthcare ...hey, not my title, and not one of the FDL usual frontpagers. More details at the link.

The single-payer healthcare groups were living in a fantasy world in which they thought they were going to persuade Congress to pass national single-payer healthcare. Talking about a state or two leading the way just wasn't part of this pretty story. So these groups let the Kucinich Amendment be stripped out without a fight.

Then came the Senate bill, also written at Obama's careful direction, which added in language forbidding state healthcare solutions through 2017. Obama told Kucinich that the Senate bill included the waivers he'd successfully put into the House bill and seen unceremoniously removed. But this was not true.

Nonetheless, Kucinich got on an airplane with Obama opposing the healthcare bill and wanting his amendment put back in it if it passed. Kucinich got off the airplane supporting the healthcare bill without his amendment restored or any other concession that has ever been mentioned in public.

The comments are vicious.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 7:59 AM
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1: This other FDL poster thinks it's doable, bob. Maybe they go into a pit with broad swords, and then we'll know for sure?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:09 AM
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Maybe I'll buy some real maple syrup in support. We've been getting organic maple-flavored HFCS.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:17 AM
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Cool. Go VT.

Curious about something, though.

Sen. Peter Galbraith, D-Windham, proposed setting up a public insurance option -- just in case the state wasn't able to secure all the federal waivers to move to a consolidated government-financed model.

Sen. Claire Ayer, D-Addison, who shepherded the bill through the lengthy deliberations, said it was an option the Senate Health and Welfare Committee would like to study next year. She won rejection of the public option for now.

I don't know Ayer well, but I would have thought she would have supported this. Now that I write it down, it sounds stupid; I should know better than to go by personal impressions, etc. But still, I hope she's not trying to let it die in committee or anything.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:24 AM
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Oops. That last paragraph is mine, obviously. Forgot to close the blockquote tag(s). Sorry.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:25 AM
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More details at the link.

https://jeezum.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/obama-fast-tracks-vermonts-single-payer-health-plan/

http://pnhpcalifornia.org/2011/02/obama-backs-moving-up-state-health-care-waiver-to-2014/


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:32 AM
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Maybe they go into a pit with broad swords, and then we'll know for sure?

Lincoln was challenged to a duel, and proposed fighting with cavalry broadswords, but not - according to three biographies available online - in a pit. The duel was to be fought with one combatant on each side of a plank resting on the ground.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:33 AM
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The pit wasn't invented until 1866.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 8:35 AM
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I prefer to think that the duel was to be fought with cavalry broadswords, on a plank going over a pit, and the pit is full of sharks. With lasers.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:07 AM
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The laser wasn't invented until 1882.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:10 AM
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The duel was to be fought with one combatant on each side of a plank resting on the ground.

Probably a sure thing for the guy who had the top.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:15 AM
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Leverage, nosfl.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:21 AM
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9: Right, the Lincoln broadsword duel jumped the shark a long time ago.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:33 AM
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In the Lincoln broadsword truel, Lincoln won by stabbing the ground.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04-28-11 9:36 AM
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And chopping some branches, I seem to remember.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04-29-11 11:06 AM
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