I'm not seeing any ikat in that set, just
warp-faced weaving.
Huh, you're right. I posted from memory, after a few minutes, and just remembered there being lots of Navajo blankets, which I (erroneously) generalized to ikat.
The Navajo designs are beautiful, but I don't think I could have them around all the time. All those sharp angles and sharp contrasts would make me tense.
Related. Part one of a four-part series on Okinawan textiles. Fantastically beautiful stuff.
Huh. My grandparent's house had a ton of Navajo rugs, and so I think of them as being serene and elderly. It never occurred to me that they might be jarring.
What should every even comment in this thread start with?
Huh. I too wouldn't go for Navaho rugs in my house, but I do like the ones heebie may have thought of as ikat, the last and the indigo-and-white one. I hate the green with raised cream trim.
I've never heard the word "Japanology" before the link in 3. They use "Begin Japanology" weirdly enough that I'm thinking I'm mis-hearing something obvious.
Huh huh huh buffalo buffalo huh huh huh.
JAPANOLOGY IS A RACIST WORD
YOU HAVE TO ACCENT THE "jap" WHEN YOU SAY IT
SAY "GRAMMATOLOGY" INSTEAD
Huh. I haven't done any weaving in a long time and kind of miss it. I think I gave my handloom away, but I can't remember to whom.
Huh, you used to weave? Photos?
Huh, my wife just bought a handloom, which I thought was very weird, but I guess other people do it too.
In Greek and Roman stuff a woman weaving signifies chastity, but all the language around the activity is pretty sexualized -- what with all the thwacking against the thighs, etc.
16: "In Greek" s/b "Huh. In Greek"
Huh. Just in college for a fibers course and a bit after for my own amusement. I should have some someplace photos. I'll hunt around.
But not until later when I'm home and have remebered to put the time/order/location adverbs after the direct object.
Katy's stoned on valium because nobody appreciates her role as a mother.
Anyway, only about half of the pictures in that post are actually of Navajo rugs.
Obligatory mention of technology-related similarities between Old World kilims and Navajo rugs.
I'm pretty sure we've discussed that here, and fairly recently. The technology is extremely basic, so the similarity is not surprising.
Kilims are made of rayon, but other than that it's pretty much the same.
37: Yes, hence the "obligatory".
That was supposed to be from "Opinionated Roman."
So anyone else watch the game? Two really, really nice offensive performances.
In the wiki on kilims 'there are probably very few over a century old'. To that I say 'huh?' I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of such kilims. You don't need a pile to protect a rug being used as a wall hanging.
If it hangs from the wall, it gets promoted to tapestry.
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If the rug would persist in its wally, it would become tapestry.
You don't need a pile to protect a rug being used as a wall hanging.
True, but you do need something. Moths will eat that shit right up.
I wonder if "Navajo Rugs" would work for a toupee store in the southwest?
I've been in lombok buying ikat and we're doing some amazing chairs and French-style 2-seaters in it at my store. LOVE.
Has there ever been a toupee store?
I guess people used to buy toupees, and I suppose they bought them in stores.
Anyway, Navajos are rarely bald, so I guess Moby's suggested name would work.
But did they buy them at stores worthy of the name "toupee stores"?
I have no idea. I've never seen a toupee store, so I'm assuming this was before my time if it ever happened.
OT: 57% of people in France think DSK is the victim of a conspiracy, 11% aren't sure and 32% think there is no conspiracy. Among PS supporters seventy percent think he's the victim of a conspiracy.
Une majorité de Français pense DSK victime d'un complot
Not as crazy as the birthers, but at least as nuts as the truthers. It takes a special sort of crazy to think that way back when the Obama family decided to make a special trip to Kenya so he could be born there and then immediately create fake evidence saying that he was born in Hawaii. Then again, the most bizarre of the truther memes is that no plane ever crashed into the Pentagon, and that one was quite popular in France.
53: wow. A nice example to add to the stock for discussions of motivated reasoning.
The Toupee Store. Worst product modeling ever.
And in further rape news, the British Justice Minister, Kenneth Clarke, thinks that you've got serious rape, e.g. by a stranger, and then you've got not serious rape, e.g. date rape or consensual sex between a seventeen and fifteen year old. FFS.
*Why hasn't Britain enacted a Romeo and Juliet clause?
I'm pretty sure not all American states have R&J clauses in their statutory rape laws. And if you're going to have any kind of hard legal age limit, you're going to be able to make one day over the limit look silly.
But what Clarke said was probably silly if I knew what it was.
Clarke said no one convicted of a "serious rape" would be released as quickly as those guilty of some "date rapes".
Asked why rape sentences were, on average, only five years, he said: "That includes date rape, 17-year-olds having intercourse with 15-year-olds. "A serious rape, with violence and an unwilling woman, the tariff is much longer than that. I don't think many judges give five years for a forcible rape frankly."
Asked whether he thought "date rape" did not count as a "serious" offence, he said: "Date rape can be as serious as the worst rapes, but date rapes, in my very old experience of being in trials, vary extraordinarily one from another and in the end the judge has to decide on the circumstances."
David Cameron urged to sack Kenneth Clarke over rape comments
You've got to love the implication that date rapes generally involve a willing woman.
But what Clarke said was probably silly if I knew what it was.
It was very silly, but essentially he was confusing date rape with R&J sex while talking off the cuff. So Milliband is wasting his time with this one.
60 Is there some context that the Guardian wasn't quoting? From the quotes I saw and posted it read like he was equating date rapes where the woman doesn't get seriously beaten up along with the rape and innocuous consensual sex between two teenagers.
I'm pretty sure not all American states have R&J clauses in their statutory rape laws. And if you're going to have any kind of hard legal age limit, you're going to be able to make one day over the limit look silly.
When did this happen? I remember back in college a friend said that the first time he had sex, he was technically engaged in statutory rape in spite of being a few months younger than his gf, courtesy of differential ages of consent and no R&J clause.
Interestingly, Clarke could have made a logically identical remark - that some rapes are considered more serious and deserving of longer prison sentences than others - and nobody would have found it in the least controversial.
When did what happen? Some states have R&J clauses, some states have differential ages of consent, it's all very non-uniform in detail.
62: Yeah, what he said doesn't actually seem that out of the mainstream to me.
re: 61
My understanding, and I'm only half following this story, is that he raised the R&J situation as part of an explanation of why the average sentence tarrif and rate of conviction relative to the number of sexual offences reported to the police is low. Basically, his point was that some of the crimes being lumped together in the figures are rape, as per our common understanding of the term, and some aren't rape at all [cases of consensual sex between young people either side of the age of consent]. Then he wanted to make the further point that violent rape is almost always punished harshly, whereas acquaintance rape, or date rape, or rapes with no element of violence [beyond the rape itself, of course] vary more as there's a discretionary element to sentencing. Someone who stabs his victim, or beats them badly is likely to get a longer sentence than someone who does not.
However, it sounds like he got a bit confused speaking off the cuff (and he may also be full of shit, I didn't hear what he said). It was a radio program, not some written speech.
63 When did R&J clauses become universal? The friend I'm talking about was from Texas and this would have been in the mid eighties.
61 The problem for me in the statements was that they sounded like him making a distinction between the rape part of stranger rape and acquaintance rape.
66.1: They're not universal, I think.
66.2: While the whole thing was infelicitiously phrased, "Date rape can be as serious as the worst rapes, but date rapes, in my very old experience of being in trials, vary extraordinarily one from another and in the end the judge has to decide on the circumstances," seems to me to cover him on that point.
It reads as if he was saying "Within the spectrum of date/acquaintance rapes, you're going to get some that are as clearcut/violent as stranger rapes ('as serious as the worst rapes') but some that are in a grayer, less violent area that are probably going to receive lesser sentences." Which, not terribly exceptionable. His use of the phrase "an unwilling woman" was wrong -- any rape is going to involve an unwilling person -- but in the full context it looks like a slip rather than something more offensive.
sounded like him making a distinction between the rape part of stranger rape and acquaintance rape
They sound more like him making a distinction between the sentencing severity appropriate for stranger rape and acquaintance rape. Which is, maybe right, maybe wrong, but certainly not an uncommon view.
"Non-violent" acquaintance rape, specifically.
There are only about 20 murders a year in London, and not all of them are serious - some of them are just husbands killing their wives.
-- Commander GH Hatherill, Metropolitan Police.
For the what did they know, and when did they know it about DSK file:
C'était un matin de février 2009 sur France Inter. Le billet d'humeur de Stéphane Guillon s'intitulait "DSK arrive, tous aux abris !" Extrait : "Dans quelques minutes, Dominique Strauss-Kahn va pénétrer dans ce studio. C'est la première fois qu'il revient en France depuis son aventure avec une jeune Hongroise au FMI. (...) Evidemment, des mesures exceptionnelles de sécurité ont été prises au sein de cette rédaction. Les membres féminins doivent porter des tenues longues, sobres et totalement anti-sexe. Tous les endroits sombres et reclus de la station ont été condamnés. (...) Cinq seuils d'alerte sont prévus, le dernier étant l'évacuation pure et simple du personnel féminin vers d'autres étages. (...) Pas de panique, tout va bien se passer, on va mettre du bromure dans son café."Partial translation: DSK is about to enter the studios [...]We have of course put in place exceptional security measures. All female employees must wear long, dark and totally anti-sexual clothing. All dark or isolated parts of the office have been blocked off. Five alert levels have been planned, the last of which calls for the complete evacuation of all female employees to other floors. No need for panic. DSK was not amused, and the comedian was eventually fired.