Re: A certain type of gullibility emerges

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Everyone's a rube for some game at the carnival, but some people abuse the privilege.

OT: From a recent job listing:

Requirements:
Personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
Juris Doctorate degree from an ABA accredited law school.
Experience: Ten years legal experience in a government, firm or corporate environment required.
Certifications/Licensing: Currently licensed to practice law in the State of Colorado (or eligible to become licensed within 12 months of hire).

Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:45 AM
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Why do they insist on an accredited law school? Elitists.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:49 AM
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Is an unaccredited law school cheaper or easier to get into or less work to graduate from? Because this stats thing is nice, but I could use some extra income.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:51 AM
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$8 billion seems like an excessive price for an Abortionplex.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:52 AM
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I mean, really, eight $1 billion Abortionplexes would probably be a lot more cost-effective.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:54 AM
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There aren't a lot of unaccredited law schools, to my knowledge, and I believe some states' boards of bar examiners are inhospitable to graduates of the few.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:56 AM
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Based on wikipedia, it seems that unaccredited law schools are a California thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:00 AM
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Maybe I'll stick with the dental school I see on craigslist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:01 AM
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Also, and more to the point, it is one thing (and, I think, theologically sloppy at best) to claim a "personal" relationship with J.C. and quite another to demand that another person have/demonstrate such a relationship. This is the sort of reductio ad public display that makes practices like the "altar call" and ostentatious public prayer big parts of contemporary American non-denominational Christianity. Something something Gulag Archipelago something Milan Kundera's The Joke something Ionesco's Rhinoceros something.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:04 AM
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Yes, but lawyers deserve pain.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:05 AM
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4 - yes, that's what tipped me off. You can build a whole building full of labs for less than £100million, so 8 billion dollars sounded crazy, even with the luxury and parties.

Kid B just came back from town with Kerrang! and it had a big spread about Rob Halford. Surprised me as *our* Halford had completely taken over the name in my mind, and the real Halford looks NOTHING like my image of the Unfogged Robert Halford.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:06 AM
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"Why yes, I do have a personal relationship with Jesus. He's really a bit of a dick, though, especially when he's drinking. Oh, and don't ever loan him money. I found that one out the hard way."


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:08 AM
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I didn't realize Kerrang! still existed.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:09 AM
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eight $1 billion Abortionplexes would probably be a lot more cost-effective.

An octoplex.

As for the job ad, is the firm based in Colorado Springs by any chance?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:10 AM
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12: "I did not have a personal relationship with that Messiah."


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:11 AM
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13 - not only still exists, but doesn't seem to have changed at all from when I was Kid B's age (13 in 2 weeks) and not buying it. Weird mixture of old men (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Ozzy in this week's issue!) and the youngsters she likes.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:15 AM
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I have a deep and personal relationship with Jesus, the nature of which is that I don't bother him and he doesn't bother me.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:17 AM
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14: But of course: Compassion International. To be fair, "releasing children from poverty in Jesus' name" is a mission to which I have no objection, but "Compassion International exists as an advocate for children, releasing them from spiritual, economic, social and physical poverty and enabling them to become responsible, fulfilled Christian adults" suggests the usual errors and weaknesses of the proselytizing charity.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:17 AM
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18: (Italics added.)


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:18 AM
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Building secretary likes to clean out the fridge really aggressively. She has thrown out my perfectly good leftovers before, etc. Earlier this semester I discovered she'd thrown out my (nice, silicone) ice cube trays because they'd gone too long unused. (I asked her about it, so this is definitely what happened.)

A few days ago I discovered my cheese was missing, sent her an email, and she emailed back that she'd thrown it out in the course of cleaning out the fridge, and that she'd give me a couple dollars. I hadn't written back yet.

Now I just found $3 on my chair. I do not want her stupid money. But it seems even more uncomfortable to go give it back to her. What should I do with the stupid $3?

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:32 AM
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Put it toward a dorm fridge?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:34 AM
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A few days ago I discovered my cheese was missing....

Dear Dan Savage....

What should I do with the stupid $3?

Release children from poverty in the cheese's name?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:34 AM
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20: Do you always shake down the support staff?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:35 AM
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I'm mostly venting because STOP THROWING MY FOOD AND WARES OUT.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:38 AM
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Use it to buy a tupperware box and a Sharpie, and write "leave Heebie's stuff alone!" on the box.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:39 AM
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24: Is it possible that, being the secretary and all, she is asked by somebody higher up in your department to keep the refridgerator clean and she's now caught in the middle between you and somebody who is needed to get her next raise?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:40 AM
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What should I do with the stupid $3?

Put it in the fridge.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:43 AM
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The department chair is a total slob who would never have asked her to tidy up.

In general, she reorganizes the coffee station from time to time, really uses the mini-kitchen to cook elaborate meals for lunch etc. She is basically a very nice person* who is used to tidying up after slobs. Does more good than harm.

*with horrible horrible political views


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:44 AM
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27 wins.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:45 AM
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Would it be awful to just leave it on her chair, with a post-it note that says "No big deal :) " or something?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:45 AM
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My experience is that more than a dozen people can only use a common fridge if somebody is willing to be fridge nazi or if everybody is willing to just ignore funny smells.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:46 AM
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31 is true, too. But seriously, my clean, inoffensive silicone ice cube trays? Why would you throw those out? I'm more annoyed with that than I am the cheese.

Or: Just send an email before you purge.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:49 AM
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32: Yes, the ice cube tray thing is strange. Maybe she hates ice?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:50 AM
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All of this is Threat Level Zero, for the record. She's a nice person.

At some point, Rotten in Denmark said something like "Whenever I visit developing nations, the extreme (hospitality/manual labor/being waited on hand&foot) feels very uncomfortable for the first couple days. Then I start to feel entitled to it."

I have a similar thing with the building secretary. It takes some effort not to slip into taking her for granted and starting the downhill slide towards jackassdom.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:53 AM
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It's like I get tempted to falsely believe that I'm entirely self-sufficient at work, and no one is doing things behind the scenes to make my life run smoothly. So when the behind the scenes people do something that makes my life harder, I have to check myself to remember that they've been building up their karma account with invisible nice things.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:56 AM
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For the record, my office's kitchen has a fridge with water and ice dispensers in the door. I can even get crushed ice, should I want it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:00 AM
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On the down side, our bathroom is maintained by a guy who cleans nothing but the top of the toilet seat. This winter, just for a test, I took piece of TP and wiped a line across the bottom of the seat and you can still see that line.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:02 AM
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Ours has mice. I can even get fleas, should I want them.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:02 AM
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It's kind of a lighter shade of yellow/brown than the rest of the seat bottom.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:03 AM
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with horrible horrible political views

So, fridge nazi and actual Nazi?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:03 AM
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I can even get fleas, should I want them.

Like Eduardo! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0771754/


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:05 AM
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39 to 13.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:07 AM
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So, fridge nazi and actual Nazi?

More like thoughtless entitled-feeling libertarian. I think she could be swayed toward Tea Partydom if she was paying attention.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:10 AM
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Or: Just send an email before you purge.

Every couple of weeks (every month? I really don't know) a note appears on our office fridge saying it's going to be ruthlessly cleaned on Friday at 2:00, so get your stuff out if you want to keep it. This seems like a good system, and one that you could even suggest in a friendly way:

"Hey, Sue, it's great that you keep the kitchen so clean and we all really appreciate it. We could maybe make the fridge-cleaning easier on you if we knew in advance when you were going to do it--that way we could all have a chance to clean (or hide!) our own stuff out so that there was less in there for you to deal with."


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:17 AM
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Put it toward a dorm fridge?

This is what I did at work (well, actually I just brought in my old dorm fridge for me and some officemates). However, since I didn't insist the fridge come with me during a recent workspace shuffle, it seems I may have permanently lost it to some squatters. I mean, unless I want to go in all awkwardly and reclaim my fridge.

Also: this solution wouldn't work at my mom's (local-government, education-related) workplace, where the employees are prohibited from plugging in anything extra. Including desk lamps.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:25 AM
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44: same here; actually there's a permanent note that says "This fridge will be cleared out on the following dates: Friday 1st, Friday 15th, Friday 29th..."


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:26 AM
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45.last: That seems harsh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:27 AM
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Getting a dorm fridge bothers me philosophically. It makes much more sense for ten people to share one (new!) fridge, than for us each to squirrel away in individual semi-luxury just so that we don't have to cooperate. I keep seeing it as such a metaphor for society's bigger problems.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:28 AM
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48: Only ten people? Yes, it shouldn't be that hard to check around before you toss something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:31 AM
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society's bigger problems

You think you got it bad? WE'RE OPPRESSED!


Posted by: The Office Fleas | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:34 AM
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47: Last winter my workplace lost power because a bunch of people had space heaters under their desks (meanwhile, I roast with two workstations and a power backup by my feet).
It should be noted that we're only getting one side of this story. For all we know, Heebie's cheese was thoroughly Brocked.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:50 AM
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Heebie's cheese was brand spanking new! However, it closely resembled the pack I had before that, and before that, and before that, because I eat the same thing every day. So to the unobservant eye, there had been a bag of indeterminate deli cheese for the whole last year.

Except, having bummed a piece off me from time to time, she knows I go through it regularly.

My biggest hesitation was "What if she was cooking and thought I wouldn't mind if she used the last of it?" Because that really wouldn't bother me at all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:11 AM
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52: Alternate theory -- she had a craving, and ate your cheese, knowing that you would assume she threw it out.

Alternate theory, part 2 -- your ice cube tray is presently in her refrigerator/freezer at her home.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:29 AM
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53: Don't leave your baby lying around the office, heebie. She might be lonely.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:30 AM
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Alternate theory, a different one -- Since cheese is a dairy product and silicone is often used for breast enhancement, she's clearly sublimating something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:31 AM
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I just saw a note on her door that she's out on vacation for a while, which explains the abrupt cleaning of the fridge. So I let myself in her office and left the money on her chair with a smiley face post-it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:33 AM
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Funnier would have been leaving a slightly different amount of money on her chair -- either leave two of the three bucks, or throw in an extra dollar. Make her think about what that means.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:34 AM
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57 is evil genius stuff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:36 AM
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Less funny would have been three pieces of cheese, labeled #1, #2, and #4.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 11:56 AM
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Far less funny would have been a cow's head.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 12:02 PM
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Far, far less funny would have been a copy of Epic Movie.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 12:04 PM
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Throw in an extra dollar. If she takes this as a hint that she's under-compensated you and returns you $5, raise her $6. If she goes $7, leave her a post-it note saying "Twist".


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 12:15 PM
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Overheard on the intercity train earlier today between Amsterdam and Schiphol: "I don't know about Obama, man. Gas prices have gone through the roof..." (A highly bro-ish, American voice.) He later posited it as laughable that we had taken so long to locate bin Laden, offering as evidence that he had been interviewed for CNN a few months before 9/11.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 12:18 PM
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I realize this bit has passed (1, 12), but everyone should know about the Ministry of Unknown Science. Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus?


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 12:53 PM
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Alternative theory no 4: she's making cheesy icecubes.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 1:14 PM
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Alternate theory: she's covering for the mice. What they want with the ice cube tray I leave as an excercise for the reader.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 1:18 PM
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If people think gas prices are high now, imagine how pissed they will be at how high gas prices will get if the economy ever recovers.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 4:27 PM
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So just to keep things straight, the problem is that she moved your cheese?


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:32 PM
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I was kind of floored that no one made that joke yet, since I assumed I was setting someone up back when I wrote comment 20.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:38 PM
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A good cheese joke has to be allowed to ripen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:39 PM
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So has anyone else noticed that increasing numbers of people are beginning their sentences with the word "So"?

It's everywhere. What is up with that? Just saying.

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Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:52 PM
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Well, it increases shazam.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:56 PM
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You think it's increased? I bet it hasn't.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 7:57 PM
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Well, I'll be.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:03 PM
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I think it's increased. I especially noticed it in interviews with, like, scientific researchers on NPR. The interviewer/journalist asks, "What does your research tell us about blah blah blah blah?" and the scientist says, "So, what we did was to look into blah blah." The respondent does this "So" thing over and over again, with virtually every response. Argh! It was driving me nuts for a couple of months there, and I told myself I might have to get used to it. Now, sure enough, people are doing it everywhere.

It's some kind of thing.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:04 PM
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Hmm.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:05 PM
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You know what nobody says anymore? "Up your nose with a rubber house." That was a useful piece of verbiage.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:05 PM
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Hits too close to home (sic) since the real estate crash.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:07 PM
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Stupid phone.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:09 PM
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So stupid.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:09 PM
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The increasing incidence of sentence-initial "so," is a direct consequence of the increasing incidence of confirmation bias; people think that they're observing or discovering things more often, so they're more inclined to begin their sentences with conclusion-introducing words such as "so".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:10 PM
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76: I don't really know what Google's ngrams track. If I'm looking at that result correctly, and assuming it's reliable, apparently the "So" introduction just bothers me, while "Well" does not.

"So" is now used by people where it is not particularly a synonym or place-holder for "Well."


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:13 PM
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82.1: Frequency of occurrence in books. I do think there are some dangers in interpreting them. Just tried this one (Yes, Well), and they practically lie on top of one another.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:18 PM
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81: That's interesting. I was hypothesizing something slightly different: introducing with "so" makes it sound as though you're in the middle of an ongoing conversation (when in fact you might just be introducing an entirely new topic, or post, out of the blue, as it were), and I speculated that this might be a function of our increasingly wired, plugged-in neverendingconversation world.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:18 PM
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83: Okay. Frequency of occurrence in books isn't really what we want here.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:20 PM
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85: That's what she said.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:22 PM
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I shouldn't comment on how funny 81 is, for fear of ruining things.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:23 PM
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85: An indirect measure to be sure, however it is:1) not irrelevant and 2) what we have.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:24 PM
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87: So, I shouldn't either then.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:27 PM
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Uh, my introduction of 71 with the word "So" was intentional, in case that was unclear.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:34 PM
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76 revised to go back to 1500.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:36 PM
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So about sentence-initial "so"....

(I really do think scientists do this more often than, uh, normal people.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:39 PM
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Also, you can do a lot more with the 1810-2009 corpus here.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:39 PM
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92: Cool. Thanks.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:46 PM
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91: I am not very confident in the pre-1800 results due to things like this one (non-caps well, so). 93 looks interesting but I'm too tired or old to figure out how to use it at a glance.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:47 PM
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"Heebie's cheese was brand spanking new!"

That s the problem. She would have been ok with craft, 14 month aged cheese. But your fresh, Government cheese?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:47 PM
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I am not very confident in the pre-1800 results due to things like this one (non-caps well, so)

I'm sure typography and such messes up the earlier results, but at a glance, I can't tell what you think is such a problem with the non-caps graph.

As for the other site I linked to - I still haven't worked out how to use it properly either.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:52 PM
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92: I'm waiting to see a discussion section start with "So, it was found...."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:53 PM
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Also, there's a bit of a problem in trying to track changes in speech through textual analysis of printed stuff, but I assume this is like causation and correlation - most everybody is already aware of it, and it's pedantic to point it out.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 8:56 PM
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99: Yes, a lot of problems such as changes in selection bias in what gets published (and preserved for older stuff).

97:It may simply be a failure of imagination on my part, but the low frequency of "so" in the 18th century followed by a dizzying ascent and then a steady 200-year decline just does not look like a reasonable result.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:01 PM
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100: My personal test of "reasonableness" is eminently attackable, of course.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:03 PM
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If only we had a specialist in eighteenth-century literature to weigh in on this.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-27-11 9:36 PM
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Earlier instances of "So" will be complicated by its use as a synonym for "Thus".


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 3:21 AM
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A great many words seem to rise dramtically in frequncy over the 19th century. Possibly general effect as everything has older synonyms and nonstandard spelling that die out then.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 3:57 AM
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Aha! Almost certainly an artifact of the long s. (so, well, fo).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 5:19 AM
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1803 seems to have been a key year in English, the Times of London switched and it was the last year that the acts of Congress were published using it. Things I should have known/may have once known: Leibniz based the integral sign on the first letter of ſumma.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 5:47 AM
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A great many words seem to rise dramtically in frequncy over the 19th century.

Because of your mother.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 6:05 AM
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Earlier instances of "So" will be complicated by its use as a synonym for "Thus".

I continue so to use "so". (Though in that sentence "thus" wouldn't have served.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-28-11 6:15 AM
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That goes without saying.


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So it does.


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