Yep. What's maddening is that my kids believe that they can't go anywhere without a water supply, and they lose reusable water bottles constantly. I keep on snarling "Back when I was a girl, we managed to survive the hundred-yard spaces between faucets," but it has no effect.
I always drink a ton of water because I once passed some very small kidney stones.
I give a free pass to anyone whose had kidney stones. Those seem to be very painful.
I get dehydrated a fair bit, but only because I have a tendency to drink lots of alcohol and not have any water before I sleep. Other than that, no. But then I do drink a pint or two of milk a day on top of water, juice, soft drinks etc.
a wee bit incontinent
Indeed.
I still don't carry around a bottle with me or anything. I just always have water at my desk when I work.
I get a rotten headache from exercising if I don't drink a lot of water, but then I mostly still get it even when I do, so never mind.
Maybe you have a Tylenol deficiency?
2: It's Jammies that should be apologizing.
11: I just err on the side of being cold and withholding, and hope he figures it out.
Does anyone know if there is a relationship between water intake and sweat output? I usually drink 3 or 4 litres of water a day, which I think is a bit more than usual, and I think I sweat more than other people of my age/activity level (although only when doing things that it would be reasonable to sweat during, i.e. biking around New Orleans in June. Or doing yoga w/ out air conditioning in New Orleans in June. Or, for that matter, walking 2 blocks down the street in New Orleans in June.)
I used to not worry about drinking much water. Then I started getting UTIs frequently, and the main advice there to prevent them is drinking a lot of water (well, for the type I get). I now drink a couple of liters a day as if I do get even minimally dehydrated I generally start to feel the symptoms. What I've noticed about the excess water consumption is that over all, I feel way better - fresher, more alert, etc - now. I'm sure that it doesn't work that way for everyone and I do rather hate that I have to get up in the middle of the night, but I prefer being super hydrated.
I think there's a relationship between fitness level and sweat output, at least for me. When I'm out of shape, I can half-kill myself doing something physical and I don't get sweaty. When I'm in better shape, I start sweating as soon as I start doing anything.
13: I don't think drinking more makes you sweat more. It does make you pee more.
Bah. This reminds me that I forgot my Nalgene bottle (old-school, probably chock-full of BPA) at home and now I'm across the country for three days of beer-drinking. I should probably track down another one before this gets seriously underway.
13: Oh man, I visited a friend in New Orleans during the summer one time and knew as soon as I stepped out of the car that I would never, ever live year-round in New Orleans.
15: There was an article in the NYT a while back that said basically that - higher fitness levels produce better and more efficient sweating.
You know what makes me sweat?
C&C Music Factory.
Fascist bastards.
Better fitness seems to make it take longer for me to start sweating, but when I do start it still doesn't take long for it to look like someone dumped a bucket of water over my head.
Yeah. Last year or two I've stopped drinking much before, or during, my sport thing. I might drink half a pint or so of water over 2 hours. Last quasi-competive bout I had -- 3 weeks or so back -- I didn't drink at all between rounds. I feel much quicker and less tired without tons of fluid in me. Of course I can drink 2 litres right off once I'm done, but I find hydrating during is actively unhelpful. And people are pathologically obsessed with hydration, yeah.
16: Sweating probably does make you drink more, though.
19:That's encouraging. I sweat a lot.
I always have a bottle of water with me, and try to drink at least a gallon a day. The dogs get all the water I can carry on the walks, because they have less-efficient temp-regulation, because I drink a pint before leaving, and because I only seem to get really thirsty an hour after exercise.
I am also a little incontinent, but that's an oldguy thing. I can still make it thru the night without restraining my intake of waking up.
About six years ago I significantly increased my water intake.
Now I drink a gallon of water a day during the summer, just working at my desk (and I don't live in a place with hot summers, either -- temps in the high 70s, low 80s).
I have no idea if quote-unquote proper hydration is medically advantageous, but personally it makes me happier. I feel a little bit less fatigued at the end of the day, and that seems worth it.
I just realized that this post is really about hydration and exercise. My experience is moot! (But I do find drinking water is a very good thing when hiking in the heat.)
This post is about slightly trolling to see if anyone would get super evangelical about water consumption. So far no one's been too bad.
I have to drink huge amounts of water and get dehydrated very easily.
My wife and did a 6 hour walk along the south coast (up Golden Cap) last summer on a very hot day. Only realised part way round we only had a half empty 250ml bottle of water with us and it was blazing hot. Result: near the end was feeling somewhat thirsty. Serious consequences did not ensue. People who worry about hydration on their 20 commute = crazy.
30: Oh yeah, I'm not one of those people who think you are going to DIE if you don't hydrate. I just find being thirsty uncomfortable.
30: What is a very hot day in Devon? 85f? 90f?
Well, I'd consider anything above 25 degrees Celsius very hot, but I don't cope well with heat or sun. ttaM is probably made of hardier stuff.
I'm with 25 -- making a conscious effort to drink more wate seems to increase energy and feeling good. But I have no idea whether there's anything beyond that. IMO, there's no reason why anyone should drink anything other than water, except to get drunk.
Re: 32
Yeah. I've been in much hotter places abroad. It was prob high 80s. No shade though. I'm not saying dehydration is never an issue. But it was much less of a thing than i would have expected for the exertion level and heat.
there's no reason why anyone should drink anything other than water, except to get drunk.
I'm not really living without my beloved coffee.
IMO, there's no reason why anyone should drink anything other than water, except to get drunk.
The National Dairy Council would like a word, Halford.
Pretty sure there's been a post about this before, with links to actual science. It was a thing in the media when someone died of drinking to much water in a marathon.
Oh, right, I drink so much coffee that I forgot that I'm drinking coffee right now.
I have it on good authority that Grok drank a good amount of KoolAid.
Crossfit is big into drinking the KoolAid too, I hear.
Pretty sure there's been a post about this before, with links to actual science.
Well, there is a finite number of post topics, so I try to change things up by doing a shittier job.
33: According to this report, "July and August are the warmest months in Devon with an average daily maximum
temperature of around 18°C." The record is 96f.
39: Somebody died trying to win a Wii in a water-drinking contest.
Let me be the first to say that how much water you should drink -- how much makes you comfortable, and how little makes you uncomfortable -- is a function of your individual makeup and your diet, as well as the fact that you can train yourself, so to speak, to find what's comfortable to be actually not quite healthy for your own constitution, so you should listen to your doctor if she or he says anything about it.
(Gosh, I'm in a bad mood today.)
One summer way back when I was young, I had an outdoor painting job. I would make a point of not drinking during the afternoon, because I got a special kick out of coming home in a state of near-total dehydration and then drinking almost a whole pitcher of iced tea. That was my summer of Living on the Edge.
No worries, I see there wasnt any science in the old post either. No mention of dead marathon people either, it all got mixed up in my memory.
I'm pretty sure you should suppress your desire for water, in general.
47: When I worked in the heat, I remember getting drunk from the two beers that were the first thing I drank after stopping the cement work.
I'm addicted to carbonated beverages, I realize. I crave them. I gave up full sugar soda, then I gave up diet (I allow myself one or the other about once a week now), and still, all I want is something with bubbles.* Beer fulfills this sometimes, but I can't really have a beer at 2 pm when I want to continue working.
*I'm too cheap to buy carbonated water right now. I want a Soda Stream type thingy.
49: It's the least we can do for the planet.
49: What are you, the Bizarro World Carrie Nation?
49: Oh, definitely. People who drink a ton of water are victims of Big Water. That's, like, Coca-Cola, you know. They, er, rape the planet over there in, um, wherever that is where their water is taken by Coke, repackaged in a pretty plastic bottle under a watery-sounding name, and sold at a billions times profit to first-worlders, while the locals die for lack of clean water. It's horrible, and true, though it would help if I remembered the details and didn't sound so glib.
To ensure my water is free of toxins I like to filter it through a cow before drinking. I then see if a mixture of yeast and bacteria can survive in it.
Water is rank poison to the human constitution. Every sip of water a person takes brings them one step closer to the grave. The only fluids that pass my lips are laboratory-grade alcohol and rendered lard.
Here's something: http://www.slate.com/id/2188159/
Here's something better: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020711213420data_trunc_sys.shtml
laboratory-grade alcohol and rendered lard
We used to call that a pickled pig.
57, 58: I thought the rule was that if your pee was yellow, you were under hydrated. Also, O.K. to drive if you'd been drinking beer.
Those brand-name diets that recommend cutting out fruits? What they really mean is that watermelon, as well as other melons and watery, juicy fruits, are the devil's work.
I regularly void my breasts of milk, sometimes using machines, sometimes right now, just to avoid over-hydration.
60: If you whip it up in a blender, you get a substance that's equally adaptable as a tasty smoothie, a skin cream, and biodegradable spackle.
Meanwhile, I stayed up too late last night doing of all things an update on Fistful's massive blogroll. Partying like it's 2005.
56: Here's some science to back that up.
64: Sure, that works for you, but what of those of us who aren't naturally gifted and haven't begun our hormone treatments?
It's like the shut-in's version of reliving your lost youth.
69: Updating the blogroll for the first time since 2005? I can imagine. Unfogged should do that, as difficult as it may be. Good work, David.
71:Neb is under enough stress right now, what with finishing his degree. Do you want to send him into a decline with that sort of suggestion?
It would be a collaborative effort. It's kind of interesting, from one perspective.
Crooked Timber should be delisted, just on principle.
It's not the effort, it's the desecration.
Next you're going to want us to take down the link to the vibrant and thriving reading group.
Or remove the Movable Type search box.
At long last, have you no decency?
76: Oh, does that actually go to the discussion of Being and Time? I never actually clicked on it.
I see it goes to something that's worth preserving, obviously. It could go in a "Retired" category, or something like that. Or stay where it is -- that's fine. The blogroll, though, is the thing.
I've mentioned this before, but I spent about 2.5 months a few years ago drinking nothing but beer and coffee, at LB's suggestion in some thread or another here. At my next routine physical, though, the doctor told me that was unhealthy, so I stopped. But it didn't seem to affect me in any noticeably negative way.
81: Are you still eschewing soap? I haven't been keeping up. I do commend your willingness to experimentally test suggestions from the Unfoggedtariat.
I didn't know that LB ever trolled to that degree.
I don't even see blogrolls. That's actually a serious statement. My brain screens them out just like Facebook ads or page numbers in magazines.
79: They delinked Unfogged at some point.
Re 34
I don't like heat. I pespire and moan like a grumpy child. However, it seems from spending time in 40+ temperatures that while i don't like it, I function reasonably well.
84: Occasionally I review the blogrolls of certain sites, and am surprised and pleased, and find something I'd either forgotten about or hadn't heard of. Two repetitions on two sites I respect, and whose blogrolls are up to date, is enough to make me look, which I think is the whole point. I do think this is an increasingly lost art, and practice.
I'll have to think about which sites have the best blogrolls. I'm not suggesting that Unfogged have an awesome one, but for heaven's sake, are we not any longer relevant? A bunch of dead links on the Unfogged blogroll is silly. I don't think it's a bad idea to invite new blood.
85: Oh. Well, that's okay. There are probably decent reasons for that.
are we not any longer relevant?
Is this a serious question?
I don't like heat. I pespire and moan like a grumpy child.
Comity.
Actually, I quite like Unfogged's faded and decrepit blogroll.
57, 58: I thought the rule was that if your pee was yellow, you were under hydrated.
Or drinking Mountain Dew.
Actually, I am quite fond of it myself.
you can train yourself
Indeed. I have heard many complaints by US-Americans in Germany about not getting free water in restaurants. "How can you eat a meal without water? Doesn't everyone get dehydrated?" When I first lived there I would order my 0,3L mineral water and drink it all right away and have to get more. But then you get used to not gulping water, and it really isn't a problem.
(You can order Leitungswasser, but it's a bit gauche, and likely to highly annoy your server.)
I really like the free water requirement and I kind of enjoy annoying Germans.
"How can you eat a meal without water?
Oh man. I do hate eating without having water. I get super thirsty, and then as soon as it's available, I gulp down a boatload of water, and then I feel so full that I go into survival mode.
95: Lack of water must be the reason for the guttural throat-clearing sounds in desert languages like Arabic and Hebrew, and also German, because they don't serve free water in restaurants.
I gulp down a boatload of water
Your boat might be suboptimally employed.
then I feel so full that I go into survival mode
I have no idea what this means.
Oh come on, German isn't that guttural. There's the ch sound, but it's not even as bad as the Dutch g.
Though a Kuwaiti student I had named Khaled did once tell me that his German teachers were the only non-Arabic- or Hebrew-speaking people who ever pronounced his name right.
I kind of enjoy annoying Germans.
There are so many ways. Try putting your glass recycling in the courtyard bin during the afternoon quiet hours or on a Sunday!
100: Like, post-Thanksgiving, where you just feel bloated and uncomfortable and hoping you digest your food ASAP.
Oh. I understand the concept of being uncomfortably full, but it's not anything I would have thought to characterize as "survival mode". Something nearly the opposite, actually.
104: You've never eaten at Taco Bell?
Eating at Taco Bell is an excellent way to digest ASAP and empty out quickly with considerable force.
My friend had some Japanese word which I no longer remember, which translated directly as "survival mode" and was used to mean that terribly over-stuffed feeling.
Hence, "survival mode" in that you are running for your life.
101.2 is proof my theory is correct!
Do they serve free water in restaurants in Holland?
And I deeply regret that there is no Taco Bell near me. I must work on the largest college campus in North America without a Taco Bell in walking distance.
No combination Taco Bell and Pizza Hut?
No. I'm not happy with my choices for crappy Mexican-related food.
I don't like heat. I pespire and moan like a grumpy child. However, it seems from spending time in 40+ temperatures that while i don't like it, I function reasonably well.
I don't. When summer eventually rolls around, I spend most days in a stupor of heat induced lethargy. That mini-heatwave in March or April or whenever was hell for me.
They delinked Unfogged at some point.
I thought that was to preserve The Mineshaft from the potentially polluting presence of their own commentariat.
I never got used to the lack of Leitungswasser, so I just accepted my Ugly Americanness and annoyed the servers. I totally jaywalked, too.
x trapnel is me, at least when he's in Deutschland.
58: Both the author of the article and Heinz Valtin, MD should be hunted down and killed for their crimes against humanity. Besides the phrase "8x8" appearing no less than 10 times in the article there is this bit of preciousness, He observes that we see the exhortation everywhere: from health writers, nutritionists,even physicians." [emphasis mine] Oh, so *even* the precious fucking physicians have given out hackneyed advice, who'd a thunk it? And then the shockingly contrarian conclusion, "Thus, I have found no scientific proof that absolutely every person must 'drink at least eight glasses of water a day'," says Valtin. Book that flight to Stockholm right now, ketchup boy, you the man!
I'm just grumpy because the "healthiest" thing I do is drink a lot of fluids--and no trolling post is going to take that away from me. Also, a person I knew who prided themselves as being "a camel" because of their ability to go long periods without drinking did end up with kidney problems, but of course I have no idea if there was any relationship whatsoever. But that will not stop me telling the anecdote.
And I played racquetball tonight like a tired, old, fat man.
if you want to do appeal to nature, up until the time humans started digging wells and doing water treatment, most people got quite a lot of minerals from their water. Especially considering how much water you'd drink if you would sweat as much as someone hunting/gathering in a hot climate. Although, as mentioned above, sweating a lot is a recently evolved trait. (not as recent as dasani, but still)
so drink water, but add in some calcium, magnesium, lithium.
I've been mixing mag citrate, potassium bicarb, sodium bicarb, lemon juice, and splenda into some water to drink after workout/before bed.
"there's no reason why anyone should drink anything other than water, except to get drunk."
except that tea is better in every way, except the discomfort on an empty stomach, and exacerbating (chrons or IBS, one of those i think). better in every other way.
111: the largest college campus in North America without a Taco Bell in walking distance
It depends on what you consider "walking distance", but the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, Minneapolis campus, has no Taco Bell closer than 3/4 of a mile, and that's from the very edge of the business school lot. There used to be two of them pretty much in the middle of campus, but the relentless pace of gentrification has long since consigned their burritos to the dustheap of history.
101: If we're going to make lists of guttural languages, er, well, dialects: Puerto Rican Spanish. Obama even got it wrong on his recent visit. It's not "Pwelto Leeko"; it's "Pwelto Hhhhhhhhhheeko" to the native speakers.
According to the store locator, there's no Taco Bell closer than 3 miles to the UC Berkeley zipcode. And no Taco Bell in the city of Berkeley at all. You've got to go to Oakland or Albany.
Some fruit hangs so low, is so overripe, so ... pendulous ... that it would be wrong to pick it. IYKWIM. AITYD.
[becksstyle]Note to self: just because the last time you went out dancing here, a woman asked you to take her home with you, doesn't mean you should expect it to happen. Also, remember, it wasn't good. And more importantly, basing your sense of self-worth on whether drunk women want to fuck you is unhealthy. Yrs, self.[/becksstyle]
Everything self told you is true, x.
You should base your sense of self-worth on whether or not drunk women want you to manage their 401k plans.
I'm sorry you're grumpy and unhealthy, Stormcrow.
39: A friend of mine did a study of that. It can be a problem, but those people drink a ton of water without electrolytes. I probably should drink more water to balance out the diet coke and coffee.
I'm sorry you're under-hydrated, heebie.