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Drink more water.

Chuckle, chuckle.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:30 AM
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Midnight Oil lead me to believe that the western desert lives and breathes in 45 degrees. Maybe they weren't counting the people as part of that, but if that were the case, the rest of the song is confusing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:32 AM
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The human body evolved in sub-Saharan Africa, and survived there for a hundred thousand years before the invention of AC. Some would describe this as adapting.

As a child, I lived in equatorial Africa for a couple of years, without AC, and remember playing out of doors for hours at a time, even (especially) at lunchtime. I did drink amazing quantities of water, and guzzled salt straight.

I think what we can't do is cope with constantly moving from controlled indoor temperatures to very hot outdoor ones, so we don't get a chance to adapt.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:40 AM
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Hey, I'm out there jogging, anyway. But I had to stop to walk twice yesterday.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:40 AM
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You shouldn't jog for two days straight, regardless of the temperature.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:41 AM
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Yesterday, I did my 3.4 miles in 35.5 minutes. I'm closing in on my goal 3.4 miles in 34 minutes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:43 AM
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When it occasionally drops to the mid 90's it feels sort of comfortable. That's adaptation, right?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:44 AM
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Millions of the poorer Chennaites would disagree with you.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:54 AM
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3, 8: A bit early in the thread for "children are starving hyperthermic in...."


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:59 AM
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The human body evolved in sub-Saharan Africa, and survived there for a hundred thousand years before the invention of AC. Some would describe this as adapting.

The evolutionary surge that led to Homo habilis began towards the end of the Pliocene Epoch around 2.5 million years ago when climates were becoming cooler and drier. The evolution of Homo erectus and later species of humans occurred during the following Pleistocene Epoch (1,810,000-10,000 years ago). The Pleistocene was generally a time of more extreme world cooling and recurrent glaciations (ice ages).

As a child, I lived in equatorial Africa for a couple of years, without AC, and remember playing out of doors for hours at a time, even (especially) at lunchtime.

Kids don't count. Their ratio of volume to surface area is way too efficient for cooling.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:00 AM
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Also, lunchtime isn't the hottest time of day.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:01 AM
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So there!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:01 AM
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11: They waited until the hottest time of day and then ate lunch.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:08 AM
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Is H. habilis even regarded as ancestral any more?

GO BUILD A PYRAMID!


Posted by: Pharaoh Khufu | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:09 AM
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They ate lunch while playing outside. The "walking taco" was invented in equatorial Africa for just that purpose.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:11 AM
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Boys sweat like this, girls sweat like this.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:12 AM
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Something something early European homo sapiens' interbreeding with Neanderthals something something red hair something something.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:15 AM
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Horses sweat. Men perspire. Ladies glow.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:15 AM
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18: That is why you never, ever miss one of Chris's parties.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:17 AM
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17 Something something different genetic mechanism someting something red hair evolved twice something something.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:17 AM
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I'm not telling Heebie to finish her dinner, just propounding that if the body couldn't acclimate, the equatorial regions and others would have been depopulated BAC. (I'm sure we have different definitions of "acclimate.")


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:17 AM
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This is an example of us dogpiling on statements not intended as transcendent, isn't it.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:19 AM
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20: Something twice? something really? something does that mean that the prior red hair phenotype didn't comprise pale skin/green or blue eyes? something?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:21 AM
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I will assert that the human body is much worse at acclimatizing to low temperatures which we would not regard as all that extreme. However, effective countermeasures are much more straightforward.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:26 AM
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24: But that guy on Dual Survival says he's trained his mitochondria to keep him warm without shoes or boots, even in snow! It's science!


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:29 AM
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23. Smithsonian:

Ancient DNA has been used to show aspects of Neanderthal appearance. A fragment of the gene for the melanocortin 1 receptor (MRC1) was sequenced using DNA from two Neanderthal specimens from Spain and Italy, El Sidrón 1252 and Monte Lessini (Lalueza-Fox et al. 2007). Neanderthals had a mutation in this receptor gene that has not been found in modern humans. The mutation changes an amino acid, making the resulting protein less efficient. Modern humans have other MCR1 variants that are also less active resulting in red hair and pale skin. The less active Neanderthal mutation probably also resulted in red hair and pale skin, as in modern humans.

The specific MCR1 mutation in Neanderthals has not found in modern humans (or occurs extremely rarely in modern humans). This indicates that the two mutations for red hair and pale skin occurred independently and does not support the idea of gene flow between Neanderthals and modern humans. Pale skin may have been advantageous to Neanderthals living in Europe because of the ability to synthesize vitamin D.

The evidence for gene flow is somewhere else, not sure what it does or if they know.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:30 AM
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It's not the heat, it's the humidity.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:33 AM
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22: This is a fine example of Heebie trolling the pedants.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:34 AM
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26: Racist. Neanderthal pride!


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:35 AM
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Chris, consider how 26 sounds if you replace Neanderthal with Scot.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:40 AM
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A Scotsman can do the work of three Neanderthals. We'll save millions in labor costs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:46 AM
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Except that unionization is practically non-existent among Neanderthals.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:49 AM
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32: That's how the Man Man keeps them down.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:51 AM
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I will assert that the human body is much worse at acclimatizing to low temperatures which we would not regard as all that extreme.

I disagree. I am far happier in temperatures 10 or 20 or 30 degrees below my body temperature than I would be 10 or 20 or 30 degrees above my body temperature.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:52 AM
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34: Centering the distribution on body temperature does not seem reasonable. Is there even any place on Earth where the average daily temperature is close to 98F for even the hot parts of the year?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:59 AM
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Daily meaning daytime? Or the average of all 24 hours?

Dubai in July and August has average highs of 41°C (105 Fahrenheit) and average lows of 30°C (86 Fahrenheit).

Of course if humanity had evolved there we might have ended up as a crepuscular species with adaptations for burrowing.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:07 AM
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A large sand cat barely reaches half the size of an average domestic cat ... The sand cat has long tufts of hair growing between its toes that help it to cross soft sand and also protect the naked foot pads from the hot desert surface in summer.
I have a new theory of Hobbit evolution.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:10 AM
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I was me.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:10 AM
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36: Unless our ancestors could disappear at night, I think we better go with the whole day. But, even that 105F is the high, not the mean for the whole period of daylight.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:11 AM
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OT: What is it with all these old white guy politicians who are so much thinner than me. Don't you still have to eat fried crap at fairs to get elected?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:21 AM
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Centering the distribution on body temperature does not seem reasonable.

Fair enough. If we centre it on the average surface temperature of the Earth, which is around 15 degrees, I suppose it's easier on the high side than on the low side. I'd rather be in 25 degrees than 5 degrees. On the other hand I'd probably rather be in minus 10 than 40.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:22 AM
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41: I think the premise was for people without clothes or fire.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:23 AM
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41: How would your answer be different before the invention of clothing?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:25 AM
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Curses.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:26 AM
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What is it with all these old white guy politicians who are so much thinner than me.

Three words: free Congressional gyms.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:28 AM
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40: Selection bias.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:29 AM
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45: This guy wasn't a member of Congress. Also, he's probably not that much thinner than me, but he is a great deal older and I plan on letting myself go in a few years.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:30 AM
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Moby speaks for me in the first part of 34 (also Eggplant in 43). However, he weakens his position in the second part by making a rather irrelevant assertion.

This asymmetry is evidenced in discussions of energy usage for heating versus cooling. The latter seems a luxury, and it is often singled out as such in various environmental debates yet there is far greater energy expenditure in so-called "temperate" climates on heating. Because, yeah, you need it to live there.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:36 AM
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I have no intention of stopping irrelevant assertions.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:40 AM
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This seems somehow relevant:

NEWS FLASH People Under 35 Have Never Seen Normal Global Temperatures
"If you're younger than 26, you have never seen a month where the global mean was as cold as the 161 year average," observes Robert Grumbine. In contrast, "there are no periods as long as even 20 years of continual below reference temperatures." He finds that the period 1880-1940 seems to best represent a stable long-term average for global temperatures. If that's the case, then the "last time the global mean was below the climate normal was March, 1976. If you're 35 or younger, you have never seen a global mean below climate's real normal."

Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:43 AM
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New Jersey and its quaint governance structures!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:45 AM
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49: Sure, it not like I'm the boss of you; I was merely describing my opinion of the impact of that particular one on your comment as a whole.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:48 AM
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I find that there is only a ten-degree range of temperatures that ever happens in inhabited areas of this country that makes me truly uncomfortable on the hot end (100-110) and more like a forty-degree range on the cold end (0-40.) As usual, the answer is that I should move to California.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:51 AM
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52: I know. I've just been told not to say 49 explicitly at meetings anymore. I have to say it somewhere.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:52 AM
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(I am leaving out places like the UP where sub-zero is normal because GAH.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:52 AM
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As usual, the answer is that I should move to California.

That seems like a definitely terrible idea for other reasons.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:53 AM
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On the radio while I was coming home just now they were interviewing some guy in Sweden who'd been arrested for trying to split the atom in his kitchen. He said he got some radioactive material from Germany (how!?) and was trying to synthesise radium. But he was cooking it up in an acid solution and spilled it all over his cooker, so he called for help and the police came (as well as some scientists with Geiger counters).

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:01 AM
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He said he got some radioactive material from Germany (how!?)

Americium from smoke detectors.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:03 AM
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57: he may have bought lots of smoke detectors, like the Radioactive Boy Scout, Duncan Hahn.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:04 AM
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Who has a radioactive element named after it? Only the best country in the world, that's who.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:04 AM
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And Pluto, but Pluto isn't recognized by the U.N. yet.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:05 AM
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Does americium decay to radium by any feasible chain?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:05 AM
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These protons don't run.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:07 AM
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Who has a radioactive element named after it? Only the best country in the world, that's who.

You mean Poland?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:07 AM
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That seems like a definitely terrible idea for other reasons.

Hence my continued presence here. I wonder if the reasons you think it's a terrible idea are the same as the reasons I think it's a terrible idea!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:08 AM
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And Pluto

And Neptune, Uranus, and Europe.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:09 AM
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Or, alternatively, France?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:09 AM
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You think Smearcase should move to France? Why not, it would be a change for him.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:11 AM
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66: There's no people on those.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:12 AM
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that makes me truly uncomfortable on the hot end (100-110) and more like a forty-degree range on the cold end (0-40.)

This is me, too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:12 AM
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Hence my continued presence here.

You comment on Unfogged to stave off the pain of indecision?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:13 AM
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Picture me as the secretary in 9 to 5 looking at a phrasebook, dourly intoning "bonjour. Bonjour." Actually no, France sounds lovely. Sign me up.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:13 AM
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72 was me.


Posted by: Monsieur Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:13 AM
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Who has a radioactive element named after it?
My hometown!


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:14 AM
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Me.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:14 AM
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Jackmormonium.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:24 AM
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I think someone should start a campaign to draw up a list of all those elements with suspiciously foreign sounding names (germanium, francium, polonium, mendelevium) and give them good honest 100% American names like Reaganium instead.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:28 AM
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I wonder if the reasons you think it's a terrible idea are the same as the reasons I think it's a terrible idea!

Well, I think you would probably hate it, more or less.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:34 AM
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77: I think congress already officially renamed francium "freedomium".

(At least in the official tables of the elements used in the capital cafeteria. I don't think congress has jurisdiction over the IUPAC.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:42 AM
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And is there any better reason to not move to CA than it seems like the state is totally fucked and yet not at rock bottom with no fix or end in sight? Which as a native makes me sad but I haven't really considered moving back for probably ten years or so and every year that decision seems more solid.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:44 AM
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Only state with it's own element, you haters.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:48 AM
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Maybe they can sell the naming rights.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:50 AM
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NEITHER AN EMITTER NOR CAPTOR BE.


Posted by: OPINIONATED POLONIUM | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:57 AM
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I dunno, unless you depend on the state or local government budget in some obvious way, or live in East California (cue Kim Wilde), it's pretty great. LAPD seems like it would be a decent gig, but housing costs too much.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:58 AM
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78 Well yes that. And it's very far away, and airplanes.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:09 AM
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77: There are four elements named after Ytterby in Sweden. I want to thank you for creating an opportunity for me to bring up this almost entirely useless fact.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:10 AM
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God knows I'm guilty of it, but the "gosh am I ever a hedonist" status update is a thing that could stand some not-doing. Says a high school friend of mine (who I didn't remember at all, but she added me and she seems perfectly fine, doesn't post about how much she loves Sarah Palin or anything), "Nothing better than being on a boat in Lake Michigan!" to which I idly thought about typing "Oh see I kind of don't think that's true at all."
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Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:15 AM
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87: "Do you have a pony with you? Huh? Huh?"


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:20 AM
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I posted a particularly pointless photograph to Facebook yesterday.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:26 AM
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But your comment here makes up for it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:30 AM
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Yes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 10:38 AM
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God knows I'm guilty of it, but the "gosh am I ever a hedonist" status update is a thing that could stand some not-doing. Says a high school friend of mine (who I didn't remember at all, but she added me and she seems perfectly fine, doesn't post about how much she loves Sarah Palin or anything), "Nothing better than being on a boat in Lake Michigan!"

She should have just posted a link to the "I'm on a boat, motherfucker" video.

A lot of "gosh am I ever a hedonist" posts are really just showing off. Sometimes, though, they are just spontaneous expressions of Homeric pleasure, as in "MMMM beer."

Just before I read this, I was tempted to post a "MMM Percocet" type comment,


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 12:32 PM
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boat

Seems to me that appropriateness depends on the number of friends. This is why I don't understand N>200 friend lists, basically. And depends on obnoxiousness, I guess-- but realizing that old acquaintance Z likes motorcycles and Y likes smug gardening is actually a way to keep in touch.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 2:00 PM
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I posted a particularly pointless photograph to Facebook yesterday.

The failure of my Facebook friends to apprehend the intended significance of my occasional image posts disappoints me. It's like people can't read my mind or something.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 2:17 PM
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Terse comments in an ongoing written conversation don't always work either. The whole thing makes me wonder how well this whole communication-with-others thing has been thought through.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 2:22 PM
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Not really.


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Agree.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 2:28 PM
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Rosebud.


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Ignore the Dow

Next Bank Bailout Bloodbath is Here ...Automatic Earth

Société Générale is shedding stock value like it was dandruff (9% today alone). A lot of European banks are going to need serious assistance, and soon. There are no Italian, Greek or Spanish banks in my portfolio, but numbers for banks like Italy's Unicredit (down 47.39% YoY) and Spain's Santander (down 29.51% YoY) are in the lower (worst) range of those I mentioned above.

Happy Birthday Mr President

The Dow is down more than 500. The S&P is down 60. The VIX surges 35% to 32 the highest since June 2010. Implied correlation surges to the highest since last summer. ES volume surges to the highest since the flash crash. Europe is opening in 12 hours. Margin debt is near record high levels, and mutual funds have record low cash. Liquidations galore. Did we miss anything?

Karl Denninger

Because the original gains were never real in the first place. They were lies; there was no real recovery. There was no ability to finance what we were doing economically. We simply charged up more and more debt and pumped the stock market from 666 to 1370 but the economic activity necessary to support that doubling didn't exist.

Now we're into margin-call land - gold and oil just got whacked which is clear margin activity and what's worse is that the extreme negative levels (-1420 TICK was just recorded) hasn't stopped the selling and produced a meaningful bounce.

There's nothing more to do folks - step aside, find hard cover, duck and cover your 'nads. You can bet there will be attempted sticksaves and they may find a short term bottom this way but this is no longer about making money. It's now about being one, maybe two policy or government response mistakes away from a detonation where the market goes "circuit-breaker" down.

We had four years, we blew it, and now the market intends to make us pay - and will.

Nah. I don't think policy can fix this. We let them keep playing with the funny money (derivatives)

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Now I can't find it, but the word is that Italy is experiencing a bank run, and needs a bailout by tomorrow night.

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Having fun yet? And it's not even Friday. Bloomberg Futures are bleeding

Ian Welsh is just a bitter nasty man

...because Obama, by legitimizing "deficits are evil" and delegitimizing civilian Keynesian stimulus (by screwing it up, which I predicted the day he announced his botched stimulus bill) he has made the only possible Keynesian stimulus a military one. At some point President Teabag will realize that the only thing which will provide enough help to the economy to get him reelected is a new, even bigger war.

This, along with a nuclear bomb to the economy, is Obama's legacy.

And the tools will blame Republicans for the coming war.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 4:31 PM
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And the tools will blame Republicans for the coming war.

My socket wrench, until I got a toolbox with a lock, was leafleting the neighborhood with antisemitic conspiracy theories.


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101: You know what, bob? I blame you. You alone saw how awful Obama would be. You alone failed to convince the rest of us. This is all on you.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 5:26 PM
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I'd still like to move back to California. Not the central valley, though. Or the east. Or the far north. Or the far south. Or the mountains. Or a lot of the central areas. Or away from the coast.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 5:33 PM
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I think we should blame Lolita Davidovich. She might find the exposure useful for her career. I'm not seeing her in anything lately.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 5:37 PM
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The Pacific Northwest is kind of nice. As is Victoria, BC. Maybe Whidbey Island -- I rather like ferries.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:08 PM
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I found temperatures in the 40s to be not so bad when I was in DC or New York. But five months in a row like that two years in a row in BC* has made me change my mind. Although last year it snowed a few times and there were extended periods (a few days to about a week) in the 20s and 30s and I preferred that because at least there was sun.

*Vancouver's average highs November-March are in the 40s. Average lows aren't actually that much lower. East coast of the US gets colder, but fall and spring are warmer and fall lasts later and spring starts earlier.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:12 PM
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There's a pretty wide variance in "East coast of the US", I'd say, at least relatively speaking. That is, spring and fall last longer in New England (and are quite lovely, I might add), but don't last very long in DC. In New York, who can tell -- I can't get much of a handle on the seasons there without what we tend to call nature to go by.

I can't speak to the southern east coast: I get the idea it's pretty hot in the Carolinas, with short seasonal changes, sort of mid-Atlantic but worse. Perhaps not as humid. But that's guesswork: I've spent all of a week down there when I was a teenager.


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Yeah, I was imprecise. I meant just mid-Atlantic, more or less. I was thinking in terms of distinguishing it from the east coast of Canada, which is apparently a land of brutal ice storms in the winter.


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New York has nasty wet winters that last until March sometime, a very pleasant week or two of spring, and then from mid-April it's too hot until mid-September. Mid-September through November, or actually these days through December, is lovely.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:39 PM
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I dunno if the above characterizations are accurate; Boston starts getting cold somewhere in the mid-September to late December range, stays cold until sometime in the early March to late June kind of time period (with about zero to twenty-five feet of snow) and then has a lovely spring that lasts from sometime between mid-March and early July to right in the early July to mid-July range. Then it's far too hot from either early, mid or late July until sometime between early July and late August, when it starts cooling down and there's a nice fall that starting in the mid-August to late October range. Every year, same thing. Except when there are ice storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, nor'easters, heat waves, cold snaps, freezing fog, hail, squall lines, polar lows, microbursts or sun showers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:47 PM
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Actually noticing a change in March counts for a lot to me now. Heat in April too.

Somewhat hilariously, when my parents visited me for a week last mid-October, it rained a little just as I left to pick them up at the airport and then just after I dropped them off for their return flight. In between it was 30s to 50s, beautifully clear when it was colder, partly cloudy when it wasn't, but no rain. It then rained some of every day for the next three weeks or so.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:51 PM
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the east coast of Canada, which is apparently a land of brutal ice storms in the winter.

I've only been there in late June. I liked it. And that was in lower BC, roughly Victoria (Hornby Island). It's more or less like the US Pacific Northwest, was my impression: a temperate rain forest. ?

In any event, I can't seem to shake my climatic taste for the areas in which I've spent the most time, in New England. I'm a fan of a notable series of four seasons. It's great to have semi-perpetual mild summer in the Bay area, say, but I can't believe I wouldn't get bored eventually. How is a person ever to enjoy a nice corn chowder in front of a roaring fire?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:52 PM
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111: You beat me too it, but I was going to say that Boston sounds somewhat Canadian, climate-wise. Bus as I said, I really meant mid-Atlantic, which as far I as I know doesn't include New England.

Vancouver appears to be finally in the low 70s most days now. I've become climate-obsessed in the last couple of years.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:55 PM
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111 seems right. It's the lengthy spring, and the fall that lasts longer than, like, 2 weeks, that are the most awesome.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 6:56 PM
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Monthly averages: Boston, Vancouver.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:04 PM
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New York City and DC highs. Weather.com obviously has the data for Vancouver but leaves Canada out of its comparison feature.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:07 PM
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I don't think I made the point I intended to make in 111.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:09 PM
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I fully endorse 111, particularly the anything at any time aspect.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:18 PM
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118 contradicted by 119, happily.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:20 PM
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I forgot about the occasional 70+ degree day in February.


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Also the beginning of the "far too hot" period should rightly be placed sometime between late May and late July.


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None of which is to ignore the relatively common 50 degree day in July.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:25 PM
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But that's all *great*, Sifu. The only part that's a serious drag is the winter, which does kind of suck by February, not to mention March.

I dunno, I like the variability, and the relatively short too-hot period is a bonus. Scandinavian blood.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:29 PM
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I should say, the relative shortness of the too-hot period.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:31 PM
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I don't think I was explicit enough in saying that when I compared Boston's weather to eastern Canada's, I was saying that Boston's climate sounds kind of crappy.

But then there seems to be a general consensus (maybe not on this blog) that people often prefer the weather they grew up with, or possibly are just the most familiar with. I still prefer the east bay, west of the hills weather, not so much San Francisco. The south bay was nice too, but monotonous even for me. I don't want fog every day, but I don't want it on no days.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:33 PM
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One thing I learned when I lived in San Diego is that, having grown up in the Northeast, clear, sunny, slightly breezy 72 degree days never got old. Never.


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I'd walk out of my house and go "damn! It's a super nice day today!" every single day.


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Too bad about the people and the built environment, of course.


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I've spent barely more time in San Diego than in Boston and I'd probably rather live in Boston.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:41 PM
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That's a choice I've in fact made. But that's because there are much more important things than weather.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:42 PM
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Like staying away from parsi if you're Scandinavian and she is thirsty.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:45 PM
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117: New York City and DC highs.

At first blush there seemed to be too much spread between the two with NYC too low*. However, the two nearly converge when you switch to average low (you can click back and forth). That is mostly the marine influence on NYC.

*The NWS just very recently moved to 1981-2010 as the 30-year climate normal from 1971-2000 which moves averages up most places about 0.5°F. (See maps at bottom of this page.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:51 PM
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Given the state of the job market - not as bad as the academic one but still bad enough that the first advice people give is "be willing to relocate" - I'm figuring I'm probably going to end up, if I'm successful, somewhere climatically uncongenial. But I do happen to be willing to relocate. Still, I'd have a hard time going elsewhere in that northern country, horribleness of US politics notwithstanding.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:52 PM
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72 degrees is pretty ideal, I'll grant. But all the time? I don't know. Obviously I believe you -- but I don't know. "Damn, it's a super nice day today!" is going to seem silly after a while. (Maybe eventually you'd start whining if it was only 55. Say.)

I'm trying not to be stubborn, really. I'm not succeeding very well right now. It's probably time for bed.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:54 PM
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I really do miss chilly (say forty five degree) weather if I haven't been cold in a while.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:57 PM
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45 in regular degrees, not C.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 7:58 PM
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Maybe I just hate to see all my nice coats hang uselessly in the closet.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:02 PM
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The cold doesn't really bother me, honestly. The snow can be a bit much. I like a nice couple-three storms that melt before they've outstayed their welcome. None of this lingering.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:04 PM
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No lingering, agreed. For either cold or hot.

Maybe I just hate to see all my nice coats hang uselessly in the closet.

This is so true. My best-loved long winter coat has become slightly moth-eaten in the closet here now. It's actually kind of a thing here in the mid-Atlantic to see people wearing what is obviously not-from-here winter apparel: are you actually wearing a turtleneck sweater?! Bwahahaha.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 8:20 PM
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The cold doesn't really bother me, honestly.

Sorta related: I have a friend who's considering getting a bike for his short (ca. 1 mile) daily commute. He asked me about it, since I used to commute by bike to a moonlighting gig I did regularly, and he mentioned, "I figure there are only three months of the year when it's too cold to bike."

I assured him that I had no trouble biking in the cold (with proper gloves and assuming little snow or ice), but the dog days of summer were really rough. And, of course, gusty bus.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 4-11 9:05 PM
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I really do miss chilly (say forty five degree) weather if I haven't been cold in a while.

AIN'T NOTHIN GOOD ABOUT A FORTY DEGREE DAY.


Posted by: Opinionated Russell Bell | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 1:17 AM
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When I flew Torrey Pines earlier this summer, I gave serious thought to moving to San Diego to realize my destiny as a bum. It's really nice.*

* N.B. I didn't really go anywhere but Torrey Pines, La Jolla Village and the airport.


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The last time that I was at a hospital and tried to read unfogged over their wifi, they blocked me because the content was inappropriate/too adult. This makes me kind of sad, because I spend a fair amount of time in the waiting room there.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 4:43 AM
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I don't like extreme heat, like most people. Other than that, I'm easy. I do get profoundly pissed off with workmates who think that the room should always be a particular temperature, come rain or come shine.

i) put a fucking jumper on, or
ii) take a fucking jumper off, but
iii) don't run the bastard air conditioning at jet-engine levels of white noise all fucking day.

I would tolerate moderately too warm temperatures over constant howling white noise, any time.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 5:26 AM
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You might want to get your AC looked at. They aren't supposed to be that loud.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 7:17 AM
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Prop-job engines are much louder than jet engines from the passenger's perspective. And the prop planes don't seem to have very robust HVAC systems. This comment is almost relevant.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 7:24 AM
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147: just because the engines are closer to the cabin, I should think. Also prop planes are often not pressurised and therefore not as soundproof.
I'm sure that a Beechcraft Starship is just as quiet as a Citation.


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I have been experiencing a weakening or interruption in my Internet service connectivity during the hottest part of the day. Interesting. Cable/internet has also sometimes been weakened during and after very heavy rainstorms, but not due to fallen lines. In conversation, I usually attribute the problem to changes in impedance.

In other Dallas news, we have broken the record of 5 days in a row over 105 degrees, with no end in sight, iow ten more days forecast over 105. We have set the record for area electric usage, but have not encountered any blackouts or brownouts yet. We are being asked to reduce consumption during peak hours.

The dogs are not getting much exercise, and the weekly swimming trips have been cancelled, since I don't trust the auto ac for the backseat at over 90 degrees. Which is 9 AM every day now.

5-6 weeks to go, I hope.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 11:04 AM
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re: 146

It's an old system. It has large ceiling mounted units which when set to a fairly low setting are mildly irritating but tolerable. However, when set to a high setting, and a particularly low temperature, they are really loud. Some people like it set to 19degrees (c) and running full bung all day. I know at least one other person wears his headphones all day because he can't hack the noise, either.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08- 5-11 3:23 PM
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Some people like it set to 19degrees (c)

Jesus. And here my wife and I have been feeling guilty any time we put the AC down to 75 F, or "earth kill" as we've been calling it.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 6-11 10:51 AM
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Man, I sure miss those 7 years of living in a room that didn't have heating or cooling and keeping the windows open 360 days a year. (Well, 6 years, the year I lived way up in the hills we needed to use heat.)

The highs of New York and Boston are roughly the same, but that doesn't match my experience (which is that Boston is noticeably more bearable in the summer). I think what's going on is that Boston hits its high temperature for a shorter amount of time. (This is consistent with the fact that Boston's lows in the summer are more significantly lower than NYC's than the highs are.)

Then again, every time I go to Brooklyn I'm struck by it being cooler, so maybe this is just an issue of the weather station being in central park. It's much cooler in central park than in the rest of Manhattan.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 08- 6-11 11:19 AM
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What I've been told by those who should know:

Your body acclimates to heat by learning to sweat more - you should be sweating more in a new hot climate on day 7 than you were on day 1. By whatever mechanism a decision is made that overheating as a danger has increased relative to dehydration. All you can really do is drink a lot of water and maintain electrolytes.

Some physical exertion in the heat may be necessary for acclimation, but be careful. At the temperatures you're talking about, heat exhaustion and heat stroke are real dangers, and our ability to acclimate to heat is heavily mythologized.


Posted by: Andrew F. | Link to this comment | 08- 7-11 4:23 AM
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