Re: Stories

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I've always wondered if the narrative-construction psychology stuff was a product of living in a media-saturated world

No.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:01 AM
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I mean, novel and interesting, but basically certainly no.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:02 AM
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I was rooting for it to be hard-wired in, but I did wonder.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:04 AM
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I'm struggling to see how something like, say, the results of the famous Libet experiment could be the product of a media saturated world.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:13 AM
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Gosh, I must be an ignorant sap.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:14 AM
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The solar system is a giant petri dish: a world saturated media.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:16 AM
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Reading Wikipedia on Libet, it looks like it's about intention and volition. I'm missing the connection with the narrative construction theories.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:17 AM
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Gosh, I must be an ignorant sap

Mathematicians, women, etc. often have trouble understanding the complex concepts of psychology and sociology.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:31 AM
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See, John, this is where your humanities background gets you in trouble. While it's true that both mathematicians and women have trouble understanding the complex concepts of psychology and sociology, this is a "modulo two" operation, which means women mathematicians do understand them.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:47 AM
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I hate the word "narrative" so much that I once tried to a slang fad of it (à la "drama"), so that backlash would crash the market.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:49 AM
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I was not successful.

Come to think of it, few of my ill-conceived plans (e.g., the all-hamster animated science fiction remake of Ben Hur) come to fruition.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 8:51 AM
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That one was stolen by a toy manufacturer. Google "kung zhu hamsters."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:16 AM
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God damn it, cheap Asian manufacturing costs.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:20 AM
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They are cheap crap, even by the standards of toys.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:22 AM
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Racist.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:22 AM
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I just looove me some narratology but can't say a single intelligent thing about it, and can't even fake it.

I hate cognitive science.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:40 AM
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Back on the veldt, skillful constructors of narrative out of arbitrary facts were better able to bullshit women into the sack.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 9:49 AM
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I think of this kind of stuff as just a particularly dramatic example of confabulation, which is endemic in all kinds of circumstances -- easily provoked under hypnosis for instance. Or during presidential debates, especially Republican ones. I've seen people who claim that much of our perception of consciousness is basically confabulation to give coherence to a turbulent stream of semi/unconscious habits, desires, etc.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 01-16-12 10:53 AM
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I think I probably retroactively impose some of the logical order onto my extraordinarily vivid dreams during the moments when I am waking up. it's just impossible that that's allthere is to it, since some are so long, detailed, space opera-esque, involve waking up into a second dream and telling someone all about the first dream, and so on. but I'm a good storyteller also; when I try to remember the dream on awakening I probably impose logic on some non-logical situations.

also flip rules this thread.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 01-17-12 1:46 AM
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I'm guessing that there is a hard-wired portion of the human brain that constructs narrative, and that it exists in a higher level brain area such as the pre-frontal cortex. I think the concept of time was an important evolutionary step, and the narrative constructor came about as the result of people noticing that things didn't all happen in the now, even though they actually do all happen in the now, any yet there are also cases of cause and effect, which requires a time element. And getting woman into bed.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 01-17-12 11:45 AM
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