Re: Guest Post - Shearer

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Mmm, tortilla chips.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:49 AM
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And how 'bout that "Mexican breakfast" recipe on their site? Sounds pretty tasty.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:56 AM
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My taste in schmancy hot sauce. Don't know how good it is with chips, but it adds something wonderful to stews, chili, etc.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:56 AM
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I'm not sure I can get on board with the chocolate nachos, though.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:57 AM
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Is "(p = 1.9×10−6)" a new thing? Does it have to do with everybody using R? I always see that as "p


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:58 AM
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Those recipes are surprisingly lame. Except for the chocolate nachos, which I'm reserving judgement on.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:58 AM
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HTML fail. I always see that as "p less than .0001" where 'less than' is replaced with a symbol that is also used to open a tag.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 7:59 AM
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I thought the "tech geek is on the autism spectrum" notion was supposed to apply to people in narrowly defined categories, like "male computer engineer". "Students aspiring to technical majors (science/mathematics/engineering)" is a much broader category.

Who has brought up the idea in more than anecdotal ways?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:01 AM
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Obviously, the point of that paper was that you should study the social sciences and avoid both the humanities and the physical sciences. Or at least, that should have been the point of the paper if it was written by people capable of rounded thinking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:06 AM
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You shouldn't avoid science, of course. Just have it as a hobby for when you're home.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:09 AM
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I should've done better in my humanities courses, I guess.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:10 AM
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Never seen the exact p-values in scientific format before. That's really weird (and putting too much importance on p-values!!!!). I assume it's either how the stats program spits out values or a journal-based rule.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:13 AM
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Maybe Shearer has found his long-lost niche as a stand-up comic for academics. "Scientists drive like this, but humanists drive like this!"


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:21 AM
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Also, according to my understanding of this "Significant associations were seen for bipolar disorder (p = 0.027), major depression (p = 8.8×10−4), and substance abuse (p = 1.9×10−6; all p-values adjusted for multiple comparisons) (Table 1). Each was represented most often among humanities majors, at intermediate rates in the social sciences, and least among technical majors. " There was a correlation with technical majors (/= people who practice in any of those fields, just preferences) and all the depressive stuff, just less compared to humanities and social sciences majors. So that means that tech majors are socially awkward jerky depressed drunks!


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:22 AM
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14: I think you're reading that wrong.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:27 AM
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IMX, when you're learning to do multiple regressions with software, even though the point of the p-value is whether it passes the predetermined threshold, it can make you feel very triumphant to find one with several zeroes, and tempt you to report the actual value rather than compare it to the threshold. ("One in a million! See? See‽")


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:27 AM
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I haven't heard much about artists, novelists, and poets tending towards substance abuse and suicide since the last time I heard anything about artists, novelists, and poets.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:29 AM
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OT: If somebody brings in a dozen donuts and nine people are in the office today, how long do you have to wait before you take a third donut?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:31 AM
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I'm not sure I can get on board with the chocolate nachos, though.

Aren't you? I was never more certain about anything in my life - I can't. Sounds like rank poison.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:34 AM
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11:30.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:34 AM
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18: Until the room with the donuts is empty.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:35 AM
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Another hour. Fuck.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:35 AM
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How many donuts are left? I assume it's more than one, because if you were talking about taking the last donut, as your third, I think you would've said so. If there are two, you probably need to wait because then you're creating a state where the next person has to be bold enough to kill the box, which is also a little questionable. But if it's 3+, I'd say you're in the clear. Who wants to let the donuts go stale?


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:40 AM
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That is true -- I had a clear picture of one or two doughnuts left, but if I was wrong about that, it's plenty late enough to take your third.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:42 AM
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You've already had your quota (more than that, if you didn't offer to split the second donut with someone else). So the only possible justification for taking any more is to prevent waste. So, I think you need to leave a note on the box saying: "The remaining donuts will disappear at 11:30." Then, at 11:30, you're free to eat whatever's left.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:45 AM
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Ideally, the note would be signed by either "The Shadow" or "The Red Hand".


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:46 AM
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You could always go out and buy some more donuts if you feel embarrassed about it.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:46 AM
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That leads to madness, with the entire office collapsed in a sugar-glutted heap.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:47 AM
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I suppose you could email your eight colleagues, asking if there are any objections to your eating a third donut now. If no one speaks up, you're okay.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:47 AM
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"The remaining donuts will disappear at 11:30." Then, at 11:30, you're free to eat whatever's left.

Preferably while strutting through a cloud of dry-ice smoke while The Final Countdown plays loudly in the background.


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:47 AM
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I am clearly more interested in doughnuts than either depression or autism.

Come to think, I thought about posting on this NYT op ed by a guy who was diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome as a teenager, but seems to be fine as an adult and was probably just an awkward kid. I didn't have much to say about it, but I thought it was interesting -- you wonder what sort of effect a diagnosis like that can have.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:50 AM
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I went and took another donut. There are five left, freaking health-nuts I work with.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:54 AM
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The really sad thing is that you don't want that doughnut. What you really want is Swedish fish.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 8:56 AM
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There were twelve donuts, you've taken three and there are five left? Jesus. In that case I take back my former comments: at this point you should just bring the box to your desk.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:03 AM
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Then I'd have to clean my desk. The box is very large.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:03 AM
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Also, now I really want a donut. I just roamed the common areas of my office looking for donuts. There are none.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:05 AM
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Do the doughnuts suck? Like, is this a box of supermarket doughnuts, or are they real doughnuts fresh from a doughnut place? If the latter, I don't know what's wrong with your co-workers. (If the former, and you're coming back for a third, you should probably have eaten a bigger breakfast.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:06 AM
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3: YES.

I found Uncle Brutha when the owner had a stand at the farmer's market across the street from my building. Good stuff. Whole Foods now sells it too.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:07 AM
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37: They're Dunkin Donuts, fresh this morning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:08 AM
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Does urpleville still have that really good doughnut place on Algonqu/n Parkway, near Tay|or Bou|evard?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:11 AM
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There's a Dunkin' Donuts downstairs in my building (where I seldom go because there's another place where I can get two really good cookies for a dollar). I should probably wait and assess my donut needs after lunch, though. Sigh.


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:17 AM
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Many of DD's varieties suck. Just looking at the pink ones makes me depressed, and I studied physics.

On the other hand, I really love crullers, even indifferently made ones, and I had real drug problems as a teen.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:18 AM
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From 31, this is gold: And when I did hang out with other kids I often tried to speak like an E. M. Forster narrator, annoying them


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:24 AM
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Next Monday, I start my half marthon training and then the next week Lent starts. I'm splurging before those start.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:33 AM
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43: Yeah, that cracked me up. Largely, I found the op-ed interesting because I was pretty much like that as a kid: a socially isolated weirdo in a way that you could describe as sounding awfully Apergery, but that doesn't actually seem to have had much to do with any autism spectrum disorder.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:34 AM
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I was pretty much like that as a kid: a socially isolated weirdo

But then you found the humanities, right?


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:39 AM
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And settled in among my depressive brethren and sistern.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 9:43 AM
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Still four donuts left.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:02 AM
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What's the over/under on how many of these donuts Moby winds up eating today (including the 3 he's already had, I mean)? 4.5? 5?


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:12 AM
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Down to three donuts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:14 AM
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I've read a couple of things about that paper that make it sound rather silly. For one thing, their relying on accurate self-report of family psychological history from college undergrads. For another thing, some of the categories were pretty small. I think the number of students reporting a family history of autism was, like n=4. I feel like I should link to andy gelman's stuff about suspiciously large effects in papers with small sample sizes but: lazy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:16 AM
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I'd think asking about siblings would be reasonably accurate. As for the small N for some of these, that could be handled by giving a 95% CI instead of a p-value. But the effects aren't "large" in an R^2-ey way with ORs like that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:29 AM
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I see the limitation to siblings was only for ASD, not the others.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:31 AM
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15: Okay, then I don't understand. The highest correlation was found between humanities students and the cluster of depression, substance abuse, etc., but doesn't say anything about correlation between the tech students and that cluster except that it's less. The correlation isn't NOT present, correct?

Figure 2 seems to suggest that a significant number of tech students were still scoring high in the PRESUME score (familial bipolar + depressive + substance abuse - ASD) just that they were scoring lower too. The effect might even be due to the fact that no humanities students scored negative on the scale (i.e. no Autistic relatives). But I don't really understand that figure or even the "PRESUME" score. I'm sure this is my problem rather than one with the paper.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:52 AM
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Two donuts left. (I have not had any since the first three.)


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:55 AM
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I have no idea if the PRESUME score makes sense.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:57 AM
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So let's hear more about how humanties types are suicidal drug abusers blah blah blah but as hilariously self-contradictory as this piece of Shearer trolling would normally be, you can't fool us, James my lad. We know you're still just pissy about this, and that's understandable. But you can talk to me about it, James. I'm here to listen. Just... just let it out.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:57 AM
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That is if the PRESUME score makes sense as a construct.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 10:58 AM
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I think the PRESUME score just aggravates me because of its name.


Posted by: hydrobatidae | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:01 AM
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I really really like this hot sauce,made by a guy who was a session guitarist on a bunch of famous records.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:06 AM
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54.1 doesn't seem to fit with any results I can find but I may have missed something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:06 AM
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P-values are meaningless without odds ratios! So, from the paper:

• "Students aspiring to technical majors were more likely than other students to report a sibling with an autism spectrum disorder (p = 0.037)." Odds ratio (technical:others): 3.05:1.

• "students interested in the humanities were more likely to report a family member with major depressive disorder (p = 8.8×10−4)." Odds ratio (humanities:social science:technical): 2.48:1.24:1

• "family member with bipolar disorder (p = 0.027)" Odds ratio (humanities:social science:technical): 2.76:1.29:1

• "family member with substance abuse problems (p = 1.9×10−6)" Odds ratio (humanities:social science:technical): 3.19:1.42:1

In a curious aspect of the experimental design, participants were asked both "do you have a family member with ASD?" and "do you have a sibling with ASD?". Participants who answered "no" to the first and "yes" to the second were excluded from the results. Questionnaire here.


Posted by: Gareth Rees | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:46 AM
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Participants who answered "no" to the first and "yes" to the second were excluded from the results.

Presumably this was a method of identifying people who were too plain stupid to understand the remaining questions.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:49 AM
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Still two donuts left.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:51 AM
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If you mail me one, I'll send you a bottle of Julio's chipotle hot sauce.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 11:57 AM
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3 and 38 are correct.

I ordered some after Ezra Klein talked it up at some point (in his regular blog, I never read the food blog), and it was very good (though probably something you would use in sauces/marinades, not straight as a condiment).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:00 PM
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The donut talk has reminded me that one office pusher of Girl Scout cookies is sitting right behind me, but all of his cookies are spoken for, while another pusher, who I ordered from, has not yet brought his in yet.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:36 PM
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We still have two donuts left, if I could fax them to you.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:40 PM
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That was me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:40 PM
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68: Could you instead send biscuits?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:41 PM
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70: He could if you want them.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 12:56 PM
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70: Might be able to email them, depending on how versatile your 3D printer is.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:20 PM
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Oh Heebie, I can't stop laughing.


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:21 PM
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Now only one donut left.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:21 PM
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66: Yay, another member of the Uncle Bruthahood!

Not just for marinades - it's a decent dip as well.

I sometimes spread a small amount on the inside of the bread for my grilled cheese.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:26 PM
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60: We are all going to feel pretty bad about ourselves when it the secret ingredient that makes these hot sauces taste good turns out to be "brother".

As far as more ordinary hot sauces, my current favorite is the Melinda's line of sauces.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:29 PM
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After all, there's no "Uncle Only Child" out there...


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 1:32 PM
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That donut will apparently live another day. Unless somebody is waiting for me to leave the office before grabbing it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 2:51 PM
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Do the doughnuts suck? Like, is this a box of supermarket doughnuts, or are they real doughnuts fresh from a doughnut place?

Actually, for the record, G/ant Eagle's store made doughnuts are solid, and the cake doughnuts are better than the average bakery.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 3:17 PM
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This Is a Blog I Like

Despite this the "work ethic" remains, or it is perhaps all that remains. Work ceases to be the predominant productive force, displaced by the general knowledge of society externalized in various machines, what Marx called the "general intellect" but it remains the enforced measure. All that remains of work as it loses its central economic function and its transindividual dimension, constituting the basis for collective belonging and individual identity, is its disciplinary function. Thus to some extent work goes full circle: it began with the protestant ethic, with a discipline without guarantee, a work on oneself to remind oneself of one's chose status, and it ends that way as well. All one is left with is a dogged determination to keep working, to take out another loan to learn a new skill, to maximize one's potential.

Understand, at least current Western societies, as not about the reproduction of capital or the reproduction of labour, but about the reproduction of the social relations. There is no longer any base, it is all superstructure. Therefore there is no sense in attacking capital or organizing labour and of course zero chance of "reform"

"Anti-productivism" is the tactic and strategy. Stop producing. Yeah yeah, autonomia.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 5:41 PM
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Better Link to Unemployed Negativity


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 02- 9-12 5:43 PM
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Donut still there. I ate it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 6:53 AM
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See, that's how you bring closure to the blog. Urple take note.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:02 AM
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It isn't very good, being old and unfrosted.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:02 AM
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Don't forget being invisibly despoiled by the disaffected cleaning crew.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:22 AM
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We just have one lady and she seems nice enough.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:29 AM
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Don't call her the "cleaning lady" or I'll shoot your laptop.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:31 AM
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I don't have a laptop.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:32 AM
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86: It's like you didn't even watch Fight Club.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:39 AM
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See, that's how you bring closure to the blog.

Now if only Flippanter would kiss Lunchy.


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:40 AM
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89: I didn't.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:49 AM
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90: Yes, an afterward otherwise intelligent moviegoers can argue for years about whether the "blog" was just an elaborate fictional construct engineered to plausibly give the hero just the right advice at the right time to snare the girl.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:49 AM
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91: Good, at least you're honoring the first rule of watching Fight Club.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:50 AM
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92: Now I'm worried that if Flippanter kisses Lunchy, we all cease to exist.


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:55 AM
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Yes, it's a reverse Back to the Future kind of thing.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 7:58 AM
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If somebody can win an award for this gag: "Conjunctivitis.com - that's a site for sore eyes", Moby and one or two others here are in the wrong job.

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:01 AM
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It's OK. Only Flippanter and Lunchy will cease to exist.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:03 AM
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OT: Are modern running clothes (i.e. the kind that brag about wicking moisture and include, but are not limited to, ball-coddling tights) a noticeable improvement over the old-style cotton sweats and t-shirts?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:04 AM
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96: Probably the sweater was the key.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:04 AM
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Hey, that's the same guy who produced "Crime on multi-story car parks -- that is wrong on so many different levels."


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:06 AM
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98: my experience is that when it is cold and/or wet out, very much yes.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:06 AM
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98: I found them to be, just because they don't get heavier and stickier as the run goes on. The cheap kind seem to work as well as the expensive kind, as best I can tell, but both work better than cotton.

I need something that wicks away knee and/or achilles tendon pain.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:07 AM
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101, 102: O.K. It's REI sale week.

Ever since my 6.8 mile run of nearly two weeks ago, I've been getting lots of achilles tendon pain. I'm trying to stretch.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 8:09 AM
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And per Tweety, even when it is warm the new stuff performs "better", I personally don't mind the cotton getting wet and heavy in those conditions. I like some retro in my workout unless it makes me too uncomfortable.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 9:39 AM
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In the heat, it does get a bit gross. I have to leave the shirts in the garage so keep the house from smelling like armpit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 9:42 AM
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-, +;


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 12:57 PM
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Anyway, I now have a tshirt that is supposed to wick moisture.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 1:03 PM
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107: Trust me, it will still smell.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 1:06 PM
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wool does a pretty good job of not smelling (and also wicking), but thin-enough merino to exercise in isn't generally very cheap.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 1:08 PM
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Stop fat-shaming the ovines.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 1:11 PM
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I need something that wicks away knee and/or achilles tendon pain.

Lethargy has always worked well for me.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-10-12 1:14 PM
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