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What if I want to copulate, or even just make out, with someone?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:42 PM
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Hire a hooker! Who'll say no?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:43 PM
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Heebie did say you should first fuck Valentine and only then do whatever you want.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:44 PM
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Buck and I have a longstanding romantic tradition where on the thirteenth we check in to confirm that our Valentine's Day truce is still in effect, and no one's going to be busting out with any unexpected gestures or gifts or anything. It's a simple tradition, but it makes us happy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:47 PM
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"Whenever I feel bad about being single, I go do whatever I want all the time."

I never had much of a problem going and doing whatever I wanted all the time as a coupled person. It's the damn kids that prevent that. And that's doubly true if you're single with kids.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:51 PM
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My mother has always sent me chocolate (this year perfume!) for Valentine's Day. It's always taken the pressure off.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:54 PM
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Who'll say no?

Perhaps law enforcement officers, depending on locale. Maybe the hooker, too, if you're particularly snakebit.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:55 PM
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5: I can't imagine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 3:59 PM
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2 is even meaner if you put a period instead of a question mark at the end.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:00 PM
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9 made me laugh out loud.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:02 PM
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I generally try to parlay my birthday's proximity to the 14th into a reprieve from the V-day nonsense. Of course, it's a moot point now that I'm dating a horse, since horses don't have stupid holidays.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:23 PM
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You're dating a whore?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:28 PM
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Nay.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:30 PM
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1: Is this where I say that holding hands continues to be awesome?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:32 PM
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Heh. I gave all sorts of dire warnings about this week to my honey. Between Valentine's Day and my fortieth birthday, this is a high stakes week for him.

(Except that it isn't, because we also arranged for a Valentine's Day truce.)


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:33 PM
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I don't wish you ill, Josh. Why do you wish me ill?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:35 PM
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16: I thought that was one of the foundational values of this blog!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:38 PM
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His horse is poisoning him against you.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:38 PM
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God damn that horse.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 4:40 PM
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5 is correct. Luckily, sitting on the couch watching TeenNick is more or less what I'd want to do anyway.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 5:39 PM
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20 -- pervert.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 5:48 PM
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I'm a big fan of the Valentines Day truce. We don't even bother confirming it anymore. I know that if I were to break the truce, she would be sooo pissed off at me.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 6:19 PM
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"Love is a battle," said Marie-Claude, still smiling. "And I plan to go on fighting. To the end."


Posted by: OPINIONATED MILAN KUNDERA | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 6:36 PM
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Something Deus caritas est something.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 6:39 PM
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And how was chocolate?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 6:46 PM
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I tried to extend the Valentine's Day truce to allowing me to go out alone to an improv workshop tonight, but once all the Valentine's and anti-Valentine's stuff hit on Facebook, I wasn't going to be able to actually ditch Mrs. K-sky. A mellow evening on the couch with Downton Abbey and Revenge it shall be. I ain't complaining.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:03 PM
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Gallantry silences one, but one is about to run out to meet her again after she finishes her evening thing.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:04 PM
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I've never been this up close to an insurance company literally killing someone by denying treatment.

Coworker has an oddball thing: some cells from organ A are located on the outer wall of organ B. They've turned cancerous.

The doctors want to treat it using standard treatments for Cancer A. The insurance company is denying claims, because they are saying this is Cancer B, and therefore treating it with these drugs is experimental.

The doctors and spouse have appealed and fought and gone to extreme measures, but she hasn't received treatment for about three or four months now, and she'll probably die soon.

It's so ghastly and cruel, I don't even know.

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Posted by: Betsy Ross | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:24 PM
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It was extremely empty at the gym tonight for a Tuesday evening. Took me a second to come up with the almost certainly correct theory.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:38 PM
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29: all the action's in the showers?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:40 PM
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Taco Tuesday!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:45 PM
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We got chocolates from the teacher after aikido class (eight dudes).

Which was nice, though I got an elbow in the mouth that I feared for a moment might have put part of my Valentine's Day-related equipment out of action.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:45 PM
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If it comes to it, most chocolates you can just suck.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:47 PM
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But it turns out you can still pull off a nervous smile?


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:47 PM
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Game-time decision.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:49 PM
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I'm on my way to a romantic meal, but I'm keeping it real by listening to Rammstein in the car.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 7:59 PM
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35: Have fun, kids! Slip her the tongue!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:01 PM
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Also, Betsy Ross sounds upset. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:02 PM
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37: Game-time decision.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:06 PM
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It's either that or give her a wet willie. One way or another, get your saliva in her head.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:08 PM
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What, spitting in her nose is too old fashioned?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:09 PM
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29: all the action's in the showers?

Between this and "frenemeh", you're really on fire today, Sifu.

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And, jesus, that's awful, Betsy. I'm very relieved to have only another two weeks of being uninsured left, though of course your story is a reminder that just having insurance isn't always enough...


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:10 PM
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Betsy thanks you.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:11 PM
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Hey heebie, you should get this iphone/ipad music production doohickey, cuz it seems rad.

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:21 PM
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Oh wait, it's just for iphone. Eh? Never mind.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:28 PM
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28 is really awful.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:29 PM
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28: That is horrible.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:29 PM
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36: Halford! You know it ought to be HATE BEAK for dates. Come on, man.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 8:36 PM
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sorry for your friend betsy, that's just horrible. I'm in the pain specialist waiting room, paying for this visit out of pocket and then hoping to get a referral from my insurance-approved doctor later. in happier health insurance news, I have to pay $0 for my new year's hospitalization.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:09 PM
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Very on-topic, even!-- the woman from Saturday night / Sunday morning replied to my email; we have a date!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:10 PM
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Since no one at all in the whole world wants to employ me, even jobs so crappy the ads ask you to really consider whether you have the stamina and reserves of unassailable dignity and financial resources to undergo the horrors of employment before applying, I spent my Valentine's Day writing a really labored and special application for probably the greatest institution of higher learning in the whole world for the precise thing I work on. If you're going to die by a thousand cuts, might as well have one of them come from an actual sword. Yay!


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:50 PM
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Good luck, AWB. I can say in all honesty that any institution would be lucky to have you.

Less important: our V-day marathon of Downton Abbey is annoying the fuck out of me.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:54 PM
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Also, yeah, I've heard the OP line before. I wrote out all the reasons why it isn't funny, but I deleted them. You're welcome.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:57 PM
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Thanks, V-dub. Maybe someone will accidentally put my application in the wrong pile and I'll get to visit there.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 9:58 PM
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the nurse had to weigh me and I am fat. who gets fucking bedridden with no appetite and gains weight? this is total bullshit. the doc himself is incredibly nice and thorough and actually takes my problem seriously and is prescribing OxyContin so I don't kill myself in the next 5 days. if that doesn't work then what the fuck infinity. also I'm fat and I hate everything. additionally he is putting me on topamax which has 1,000 stupid side effects including...making you fat, ha! ALSO IT IS TOO BRIGHT HERE MAKE IT STOP KYHXBAI.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:12 PM
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best luck AWB! you absolutely merit an awesome job and it is a testament to the total idiocy of the job market that you don't have one.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:15 PM
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Ugh. Sympathies, AWB and al.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:15 PM
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why am I pointlessly obssessing over my weight when I am bedridden and ill with things no one understands? I blame the patriarchy.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:17 PM
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Yeah, I just knew if I waited long enough I'd get blamed. Good luck to you both anyway. And to Betsy's friend. Jeez!


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:24 PM
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I mean, I look fine. I look like a doomed doskoyevsky heroine. it just turns out to be not that much fun. delicately coughing up blood into an embroidered handkerchief: overrated.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:39 PM
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That "Die young and leave a good-looking corpse" thing is over-rated, Al. Keep on.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 10:43 PM
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Well, I had a lovely Valentine's Day and was thanked by somebody for "a wonderful Valentine's Day," so ... actually, I don't know what follows from that. I just wanted to tell you reprobates because I am so unaccustomedly, revoltingly happy. We even exchanged modest but nicely meaningful gifts.*

* Of course, her gift to me was something that she knew I would like and my gift to her was something that I like and hoped she would interpret as a gesture of personal openness,** but the latter was because I could not find anywhere in goddamned Manhattan the little gift that I wanted to give.

** I am very self-centered. But trying to be good.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 11:29 PM
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fuck Valentine's day and go do whatever you want.

I could do that, but wallowing in self pity helps nobody. Especially after reading #28; so glad to live in a still civilised country.


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 02-14-12 11:56 PM
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YES, WONDERFULLY CIVILISED, THE DUTCH.


Posted by: OPINIONATED SREBRENIČANIN | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:46 AM
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I hope you feel better, Alameida. If it's any consolation, I too have gained weight when essentially never leaving my bed, but it wasn't much of a mystery in my case, since I was eating shitloads of ice cream and yogurt with granola.

That's one thing I miss about HD: the awesome, and relatively cheap, yogurt & granola. SO GOOD.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:55 AM
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64: not always brave, true, but always civilised.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:04 AM
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28 is incredibly sad. So sorry for your friend, Betsy.

62 however is delightful. Keep up the good work, Flip and Josh.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:15 AM
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Especially after reading #28; so glad to live in a still civilised country.

So can all the British move in after Lansley finishes with the NHS?

28 is incredible. Have the insurance company examined this person? No. They're guessing, on a matter of life and death. Somebody should go to prison forever.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:48 AM
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why am I pointlessly obssessing over my weight when I am bedridden and ill with things no one understands

because weight is a less frightening thing to worry about?


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me


Posted by: di kotimy | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 4:12 AM
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62: so unaccustomedly, revoltingly happy

Clearly, the Mineshaft has failed. Where's the entertainment potential in happiness?

I can only hope that someday soon, in an unguarded moment, you accidentally call her "Lunchy".


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 5:39 AM
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.. in bed Wisconsin.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 5:51 AM
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.com


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 5:54 AM
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28 is terrible. Aren't there still some legal remedies at this point? Even in America, insurance companies can't literally kill someone without opening themselves up to lawsuits.

62 is wonderful. You should introduce Lunchy to us. Have her comment here as Lunchy.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 6:19 AM
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I don't know what follows from that.

Yes you do.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 6:57 AM
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They are talking of lawsuits, but it's very hollow, because she's still alive and suffering.


Posted by: Betsy Ross | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:00 AM
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Not hollow in the sense that they won't follow through; just that it's not the center of anyone's attention at the moment and it's a sorry consolation prize.


Posted by: Betsy Ross | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:01 AM
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74.1: Surely as a philosopher you're aware of the distinction between "killing someone" and "choosing to allow someone to be killed".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:08 AM
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To commemorate Valentine's Day Sir K took a nice nap while I watched Frontline: The Violence Interruptors (a documentary by the same guy who made "Hoop Dreams") on PBS. I highly recommend both nice naps and that documentary.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:12 AM
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Oh, I wanted to watch that but slept instead. Monday night's documentary, Slavery by Another Name, was powerful and pertinent to a lot that's going on in modern US prisons.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:20 AM
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OT: Has anyone else seen the luxury vending machine at the Hudson Hotel? It looks really cool. I almost bought some licorice toothpaste.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:26 AM
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78: But I'm also a consequentialist, so I have a deeply rooted sense that the distinction is bullshit.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:29 AM
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78, 82: I always thought "choosing" and "allowing" were chimeras at best in that context.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:33 AM
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If you don't stop being a consequenialist, I'm going to drive a trolley over this guy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:34 AM
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I do not negotiate with consequentialists.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:45 AM
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Is he fat? And an organ donor?


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:46 AM
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He's a fat donor.


Posted by: OPINIONATED TYLER DURDEN | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:48 AM
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81: I haaaate the Hudson Hotel. It's ugly, unpleasant, and the only place outside of Times Square that exclusively seems to play host to obnoxious families of loud tourists. My exbf's brother gave him a gift certificate to eat there, and we had such an unpleasant experience that when, the next year, he gave another gift certificate, for the very nice Café Sabarsky, it took us a year to work up the will to go. (Café Sabarsky is amazing! The coffee is fantastic!)


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 7:59 AM
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Congrats on your VD date, Flip. Sounds really lovely!


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:00 AM
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Holding hands can't cause that. Nor can the toilet seat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:05 AM
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28, 76: So horrible. I don't know much about Betsy's state, but here while there might be a road to a lawsuit it would certainly lead through several (3, I think, depending on the insurance company) levels of internal appeals at the insurer and then another one at the state regulatory level before you can file suit in an actual court. Make sure the word EMERGENCY appears in all caps and bold face on every piece of paper that gets filed, too--the fact that she's still alive and suffering means there's (possibly) more to fight for here than just money.


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:30 AM
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My folks stayed at the Hudson on one visit here in the 1-2 year period after Number/Other-Number when you could get crazy cheap accommodations on expedia or whatever. We found it some combination of hilarious and terrible and appealing--I mean it does or did have a feel of chic about it, at least to us, but then there was also a window between the shower and the bedroom that cracked us all up.

The vending machine is funny. There should be more non-standard vending machines perhaps. Umbrella vending machines in NYC. Gun vending machines in Texas. Oh maybe a vending machine in Williamsburg with well-worn copies of books one ought to have read but hasn't really.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:30 AM
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re: 92

The book machine is an excellent idea. Perhaps it could ask you a couple of leading judgmental questions before pronouncing on what you ought to read, and then dispensing copies? And every time it dispenses 'Catcher in the Rye' a little flash-up warning that 'your fingerprints and DNA have been recorded and forwarded to the FBI'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:34 AM
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Stylish hotels are pretty much the same under the skin -- distracted service, mediocre food, dim hallways, drunk tourists who pay less attention than they should to the man patiently waiting for them to get out of the way to the escalator -- but I liked the vending machine.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:41 AM
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90: We were watching something-or-other recently and a youngish character made a joke about VD which struck me as false. I'd be surprised if The Kids Today have ever heard VD instead of STD.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:41 AM
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I'm all about keeping the kids informed of the history of language as it pertains to things growing on genitals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:43 AM
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91, cont.: Oh, and one other piece of generic advice for Betsy's friend from when I used to do this kind of thing for a living: the fact that the insurer won't pay for it doesn't *always* mean that you can't get treatment. If it's needed, you can always do it and then figure out how to pay for it later. Medical providers can be surprisingly humane about payment plans and even debt forgiveness for people who can't pay. And then the worst case scenario is bankruptcy, of course, which is shitty but might be less shitty than the alternative. Good luck, anyway.


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:44 AM
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90: We were watching something-or-other recently and a youngish character made a joke about VD which struck me as false. I'd be surprised if The Kids Today have ever heard VD instead of STD.

This is correct. I'm almost 29 and only ever heard the phrase "V.D." from my parents.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:46 AM
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92, 93: there's a vending machine at a used bookstore near us that dispenses plastic eggs into which other customers of the bookstore have deposited secret messages, which shut up okay it's a nice neighborhood it's not like you think


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:47 AM
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I wonder if the vending machine ever has that thing where the coil has turned juuuust enough past the copy of Catcher in the Rye you ordered that if you shake it a little, you also get the Ferrari rental to fall out.

93: In Williamsburg, some of the judgmental questions would be rhetorical. "Really?" Yes. "Really?" I said yes.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:49 AM
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98: And that was the most awkward Monopoly night ever.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:49 AM
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100: "God damn you! Give me that Ferrari rental, you heap of Philippe Starck's shit! Give me back my son Visa card!"


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:52 AM
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Oh, and one other piece of generic advice for Betsy's friend from when I used to do this kind of thing for a living: the fact that the insurer won't pay for it doesn't *always* mean that you can't get treatment. If it's needed, you can always do it and then figure out how to pay for it later.

This sounds very solid to me. If there's good potential for a lawsuit, then the doctor/hospital may be able to hold off on payment until a judgment. Much better to be using the proceeds to pay off medical bills than to remember her after she's dead.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:55 AM
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I wonder what sort of poetry Wallace Stevens would have written if he had entered the sector during the era of employment-linked medical insurance, rather than property & casualty coverage.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 8:58 AM
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92: There should be more non-standard vending machines perhaps.

I just ran across this link (10 weirdest vending machines) the other day. Can't vouch that they are all real. Encouragingly, a state college (Shippensburg) here in PA has a vending machine offering Plan B and pregnancy tests along with condoms and more "standard" health items. (Unless the recent spate of publicity changes that.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 9:21 AM
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I think they're already in palliative treatment. But maybe not; I don't really know under what circumstances they do chemo and radiation even if the cancer is considered fatal.


Posted by: Betsy Ross | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 9:22 AM
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Where'd everybody go?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:07 AM
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We're all pondering our own mortality.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:08 AM
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I know, right?

I'm sitting at home waiting for the !%$@#!%$@#!%$@#!%$@# UPS dude to fail to show (hopefully) before I have to go to class.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:09 AM
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Also I'm occupying myself by runnning multiple regressions in SPSS. I still hate SPSS, but I hate it much less than I did last semester. Go figure.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:09 AM
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I never use SPSS unless somebody makes me (i.e. I'm only consulting and the person doing the actual work doesn't know how to use anything else).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:11 AM
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I never use SPSS unless somebody makes me

Well right, ditto.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:13 AM
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TOTAL INDEPENDENCE IS TOTALLY AWESOME!

except when it isn't.

I want someone to complain about.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:13 AM
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I think I last used SPSS in 1974. It was very intuitive on punchcards... aka I how learned to love SAS.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:14 AM
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114: oddly, the interface hasn't changed at all.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:18 AM
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Anyhow for my own analyses I've been using Matlab, although I'm thinking I should switch to scipy because it seems like it skews hipper and younger. Or, rather, because I have too many programming languages in my workflow and it's confusing.

Statstalk: unfogged comes alive!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:19 AM
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107: I'm still here being sick.

28: I feel like this is why I have to keep my anger inside of me where it can grow and fester. 'Cause when that shit happens in my life, I want to be talking Semtex, not lawsuits.

I'm not sure I've ever done the Valentine's Day thing. Maybe once? It's like going to the Irish bar on St. Patrick's Day -- lotta assholes and disappointment. Not as much vomit, probably. How did all that vomit get in my stomach last night, anyway?

It's too bad we can't all just down tools every time there's a feast day, like they could in the apocryphal middle ages. There'd be a lot more time and energy for boinking.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:21 AM
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maybe a vending machine in Williamsburg with well-worn copies of books one ought to have read but hasn't really.

This is essentially Myles na gCopaleen's WAMAA Book Reading Service, mechanised.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:27 AM
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They made us learn, um, I guess SPSS, one of those programs, in grad school in an almost explicitly "learn this so we can keep our reputation as a skientific program" hand-wavy, superficial way. I remember exactly nothing about it.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:28 AM
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I never used SPSS on punch card, but I did use the mainframe one. You punched in your code and then walked across campus to get you print-out on very wide paper with green stripes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:29 AM
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I assume that, where 115 was sort of a joke, the syntax is still exactly the same as it was on the mainframe version? Sure looks like it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:31 AM
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And the dialog boxes have the "stick all the options on there someplace. It doesn't matter where" flavor of early winframe GUIs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:32 AM
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121: So far as I can recall, but I can't recall much. Windows SPSS arrives about two months after I learned mainframe SPSS.

122: Have you tried SAS's attempts at GUI? It is a good thing that it is pointless because otherwise it would be abominable.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:37 AM
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122: Dialog boxes? In SPSS?!


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:37 AM
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124: Since 1994.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:38 AM
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Same comment about SAS. Why would you ever want a SAS GUI?


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:38 AM
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Well, at least that explains why so many people say they "know SAS" and can't even code a simple PROC CONTENTS.


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120: I had a job doing that in high school. No idea what I was doing, and neither did the prof I was programming for. And the paper still got published.


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126: You wouldn't. But somebody in marketing knows they are selling to people who think they do want a SAS GUI, so somebody made a really shitty one. It has a blackjack game that isn't bad if your employer removed the solitaire.


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126: if you're going to use a programming language to analyze your data, why would you pick a horrible, ancient one that costs a zillion dollars?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:43 AM
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It's free to me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:46 AM
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I'm almost 29

Goodness. It's like we've spent a quarter of your life together.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 10:55 AM
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Looking at R code online, it seems to be basically Stata code, but slightly fucked-up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:07 AM
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It's horribly lacking in semicolons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:08 AM
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130: What are some better languages that don't choke on datasets with billions of observations?


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:20 AM
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If you're someone who does statistics every day, you can get used to using a programming language. If you do statistics a couple times a month, using a programming language will never, ever, be intuitive, for the majority of people who otherwise have never had a reason to use a programming language. Those people, like myself, look desperately for anything with a GUI.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:20 AM
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135: And use semicolons.

136: Stata.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:24 AM
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136: Interesting. MY current clash is with databases and database people. What an odd way to view the world. Of course programming is also an odd way to view the world, so I can't really talk.

I am bummed that knowing how to make a good query is becoming a VERY IMPORTANT THING if you want to get along in the world. I resisted spreadsheets as long as I could, and now I have to learn inner and outer joins?!


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 11:46 AM
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knowing how to make a good query is becoming a VERY IMPORTANT THING

I'm happy to hear that. SQL is a wonderful tool for a lot of purposes.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:05 PM
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Re: spss, stata, &c.: I thought R was what the cool kids were using?


Posted by: X.Trapnel | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:11 PM
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I'm not cool.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:11 PM
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We are all RDF-tastic at my place. Which is a pain in the arse when you end up going through convoluted loops to do things that would be an easy move in an SQL database. Or so it seems to me as a relative outsider [I'm running my first project that had to interact more heavily with the semantic web type stuff that my colleagues have been doing for a while].


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:16 PM
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If 140 is true, this may mark the first time ever that I number among the cool kids. So it seems unlikely, even though R really is great. (Cosma uses it! So it must be.) Getting better, too, as the graphics get increasingly powerful, especially for incorporating GIS data. Snarkout has been trying to steer me towards scipy, I think on grounds of greater speed, but I've yet to cave investigate.


Posted by: Gabardine Bathyscaphe | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:52 PM
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You can't spell "Hitler" without 'R'.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:56 PM
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I'm actually trying to debug a SQL query at the moment. It's run fine for years but, with one specific set of data, it's returning an extra row of data that I don't think it should.

I'll get it figured out.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 12:59 PM
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Betsy, do not know where you are located, but it occurs to me that I should have mentioned that I do have an extended family member who has worked and advocated in that area of law for years, and is well tapped into the national community of law practice around "experimental treatment" insurance denials. He generally has good insight with regard to either local lawyers (for trying to force the coverage, not necessarily to recover $$ afterward) or more generalized support groups for folks in that situation.

It sounds like they have already tried a lot of this, but feel free to email (mypseud gmail) with any info or just your location and I can see if he has any pertinent potential contacts.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:03 PM
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Can't we talk about sex or death or something?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:04 PM
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SQL is something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:06 PM
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Statistically speaking, it is probable that every one of us will die. Not sure what the probability of having sex is, though.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:16 PM
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If you can donate your body to science, I don't see why you can't donate it to necrophilia.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:20 PM
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143: I think 1430 is true. The definition of "cool kids" gets squirrelly when the modifier is "of statistics".


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150: Louis CK concurs (can't find a link because of his stupid befriend-everybody-and-be-awesome-and-they'll-buy-the-thing strategy).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:27 PM
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It's not SQL, it's the server or the layer that emulates one. There are lots of operations for which working SQL requires that you understand the server's defects and then code around them. In a shitty environment.

Really, a file system with support for structured records and indexing would allow much better ways around the common problems.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:32 PM
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With the freedom that comes with my new job, I'm having my daughter design logos for some utility programs I'm writing/customizing. MOVR is gonna be a Luigi-like bulldozer with a face, and Chomper is going to be patterned after that ball and chain barky dog thing from Nintendo. I'm thinking I may need a scheduler program or script for keeping the batch processing going in the correct-sized spreadsheets. Do you have any ideas for a scheduler?


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:34 PM
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any ideas for a scheduler?

Mayan calendar.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:38 PM
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Dominatrix or hot librarian.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:40 PM
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In the end, I spent valentine's day dealing with gastroenteritis. Fun!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 1:48 PM
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It sounds like they have already tried a lot of this, but feel free to email (mypseud gmail) with any info or just your location and I can see if he has any pertinent potential contacts.

Done.


Posted by: Betsy Ross | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:11 PM
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157: Did you eventually poop toast?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:13 PM
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Poop tarts?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:15 PM
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Nosflow, you'll always be my wittle pooptoast.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:15 PM
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Nosflow, WMYBSAWP?


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145.2: I'll get it figured out.

There you go! That's the spirit that has launched a cumulative 10 (100? [your estimate here]) billion man-hours of work to build mankind's current computing environment.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:21 PM
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There you go!

I did get it figured out, actually. There was one spot in the query where it was referencing the wrong table in the join but (for reasons too long to explain here) that problem only caused errors with very specific data sets.


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Non-specific data sets are easier to work with.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:32 PM
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Ugh, all this is reminding me that I'm going to have to start using Access again soon.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:37 PM
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155: 156: Thanks. Those are good ideas, but while I do have some freedom, I need to keep this in the "Nintendo-cute" box.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:43 PM
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Non-specific data sets are easier to work with.

Touche.

It only causes problems in certain, relatively rare, situations.

(and now I'm imagining what a vague data set would look like and am very happy that I don't have to deal with that)


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 2:43 PM
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The cool kids in my book; the content vital, the aesthetics lame.

I get the impression that the first three-quarters of every popular stats language has been patched into R, and that most R programmers write chimerae. I try to sweep it under the rug with RPy, which helps. I suppose there could be a fork to a rigorously architected version -- APL is about due for a comeback.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:24 PM
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169.last: In my experience APL a had a relatively high percentage of totally-whacked "I'm fucking right, and the world, and my employer, and you, and any possible future computer language designer are all dead wrong, and when I say 'dead wrong' I mean I'm willing to leave the impression that I might take action to insure that outcome" advocates. And so the following from the APL Wikipedia article reads to me as "Please don't hunt me down and kill me".

Perhaps accounting for its lack of mainstream appeal, APL's characteristics have always led to much criticism of the language. As always, such complaints may arise from misconceptions, have origins in distant APL history and no longer be relevant today, or they may have some degree of validity.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:39 PM
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The cool kids in my book; the content vital, the aesthetics lame.

That looks like a very good idea.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-15-12 3:48 PM
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NIST does boring, painstaking, necessary stuff. NIST writes scientific infrastructure. NIST is probably being defunded.

Under the hands of an APL programmer, any key may be lethal.

Deep in the warrens of NIST, an APL programmer...


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I always feel so left out by the stats discussions. Whatever limited statistics I do is managed by klugey combinations of Python scripts and Mathematica notebooks.


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173: Not one goddamn thing wrong with that. In my book, anyway.


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I always feel so left out by the stats discussions. Whatever limited statistics I do is managed by klugey combinations of Python scripts and Mathematica notebooks my subordinates.


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91, cont.: Oh, and one other piece of generic advice for Betsy's friend from when I used to do this kind of thing for a living: the fact that the insurer won't pay for it doesn't *always* mean that you can't get treatment. If it's needed, you can always do it and then figure out how to pay for it later. Medical providers can be surprisingly humane about payment plans and even debt forgiveness for people who can't pay. And then the worst case scenario is bankruptcy, of course, which is shitty but might be less shitty than the alternative. Good luck, anyway.

Worth trying if available, but for very expensive procedures (outside of the ER) hospitals and other medical providers will very often literally demand proof of insurance coverage or proof of personal ability to pay before moving forward with treatment.


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176: Yeah. I stood in a line adjacent to a guy from Texas who had driven up to the Mayo Clinic in MN with a sick son for some treatment and was being told his piss-poor medical insurance would not cover the treatment. I don't think this was a case of elective surgery, either.

All I know is that he was really pissed and the nice lady kept saying variations on "I know, I know, but there is nothing we can do about that." He was mostly pissed at his insurance, though, and he didn't really take it out on the lady, who was at least offering sympathy.


Posted by: Tripp | Link to this comment | 02-16-12 10:18 AM
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I suppose this is the thread to say that my FIL was just diagnosed with colon cancer. Thank heavens for Medicare.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-12 12:23 PM
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Sorry to hear that. I hope that it goes well for him.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-16-12 12:25 PM
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We don't know much of anything but it looks bad.


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Oof, sorry to hear that, LB. Somewhat relatedly, my dad turned out not to have stomach cancer after after all--it's esophageal cancer instead. So that sucks, but at least he's been much more like himself in the last month than he was in the month before. Generally, it's been a Miracles of Modern Medicine experience for me: I have no doubt he'd have died in December if not for the emergency surgery to insert a feeding tube, which is what's keeping him going now while his ability to ingest food on his own is still really low.


Posted by: Osgood Yousbad | Link to this comment | 02-16-12 12:39 PM
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Yeah, my sympathies.


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