Warning: the linked site buggers up IE 8. Or rather, IE 8 buggers up the site, but with the result that you have to force quit IE 8.
mm. yes. this is how the modern internet works.
So is this the technology self-criticism thread?
Tweety should be along any minute to talk about matlab.
Wait, IE8 at home, or at a workplace? At a workplace, it's an improvement over the IE6-only situation that sometimes still prevails.
Workplace. I probably do have the ability to download a different browser, but I haven't bothered to try.
Last autumn's craven hangers-on and exploiters of anything even slightly associated with "youth" Occupy enthusiasts in the farm team media seem rather quiet w/r/t the reruns.
At one place where I've been working in an intern-style sort of way, you can launch IE8 and just start using it, but if you want to run firefox, which is an option, it forces you on to a log in page where you have to agree to a bunch of terms for internet use and then enter you username and password. I assume you get the internet after that, but I've never bothered. I don't really need anything more than IE8 for what I'm doing (which is mostly non-internet work). I've launched firefox only because that's what I'm used to doing when I'm not thinking about which browser to use. My guess is that IE is "unrestricted" because it's already set up to track our every movement.
As for the original post, I don't have time to read it right now, but I assume this is about third-party tracking rather than the efforts that have been made to preserve/archive aspects of the movement? As far as I know, those efforts are coming from within the movement and are being carried out by people in the movement or in cooperation with them, but they still result in data collection and carry with them a number of ethical questions about how to handle that data.
Ginger Yellow uses IE 8?
At work, of course.
article author here, thanks for the link! however, don't feel helpless - the article also includes tips for how to make your website privacy friendly and secure - I'm hoping to raise awareness to a very fixable problem. also, you can use ghostery on your computer to block tracking being done be others.
also, I don't support internet explorer on purpose. the web can be so much more amazing and beautiful if you just stop caring about microsoft. sorry if you are stuck in a corporate environ and you can't use a good browser. case in point, the pie chart is interactive on modern browsers, ;-)
As a web developer, I kind of hate the devils bargain you have to make with Facebook. In exchange for all the traffic brought in by those "Like" buttons, you have to let them spy on all your users. Makes me feel dirty.
author-- I want to learn more about this ghostery to block tracking.
My guess is that IE is "unrestricted" because it's already set up to track our every movement.
To be fair, I'm feeling more sympathetic toward corporate IT departments infuriating adherence to ancient, inferior IE versions after Firefox has had me update it six times in the last few months.
17: That finally pushed me to Chrome at home.
I was just trying to access a variable with tab completion in matlab except instead of my variable name matlab completed what I had typed to "longstaffschwartz", which presumably outputs a random, anachronistically racist joke.
There you go, teo.
I downloaded chrome and Firefox to my work laptop. I open my gmail in Chrome if I have my google-hosted work e-mail open in Firefox. At home I use Firefox and Safari.
Firefox's commitment to showing you what's going on is at odds with convenience. As I understand it, Chrome has updated at least that many times and the firefox people apparently think they need to be on a similar release cycle to be competitive.* But Chrome just does whatever it feels like, so you don't have to approve the updates.
*Apparently, there are people** who think the version numbers really mean something. So if Chrome is on version 11 or whatever, Firefox has to be too.
**Not the developers, but general web users. I have no idea if this is true.
Very little of 22 could be true, since it's all stuff I've heard second or third-hand, but I don't remember ever updating Chrome and a lot of stuff has changed anyway.
I haven't used Chrome for a while, but do their behind the scenes updates break plugins? Because Firefox's version changes do.
On a somewhat related note, IE 8 also really doesn't like Digby's new inline commenting system.
I think the only Chrome plugin I ever used was some leechblock style thing and I don't remember any conflicts.
I switched back to making firefox my default about six months ago, partly for the plugins, but mostly because there are certain things about it that I just like much better (pdf-handling, handling of downloads, general looks of the browser, etc.). The plugin-breaking thing is annoying, though. I don't mind running regular updates all that much, but I hate having to think about them.
My organization is standardized on IE 7. Huge pain in the ass.
14 - Welcome, author! Glad you stopped by.
22.1: so you don't have to approve the updates
But I prefer being asked to approve the updates.
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I've just had my first "holy crap! how do I unfriend this stupid, racist idiot?" facebook experience. I absolutely cannot stand to read her vile, stupid, misinformed, and utterly illogical (and did I mention stupid?) 'well, like, everyone has a right to their own opinion' soundbytes, with text accompanied by a visual aid that has made me truly angry for the first time since I joined fb. It is about the Trayvon Martin case.
Oh, I know how to unfriend, of course, but I don't want to get into anything with her, it's not worth it, she's not worth it. She is not my friend, btw, she is the wife of a distant relation who contacted me a while ago looking for help with some genealogy records (which I translated for her -- they were 19th-century RC parish records, for a predominantly Irish emigrant parish with a French Canadian priest -- and I now wish I hadn't). And then she found me on fb and friended me.
Yes, I live in a bubble. But I really do not want to be in the orbit of such a person, nor to be in her orbit. Is fb even worth it?
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30: MC, I hate to say it, but conscience and self-respect may require unfriending her after saying in response to her Trayvon Martin posting that you find it unsconscionable in the following ways. ...
There's an old Special AKA song that goes:
"If you have a racist friend, now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end."
If you don't want to actually unfriend her you can it so her posts don't appear in your feed.
There's value in calling people out and letting them know that they are wrong, so wrong in fact that you want nothing to do with them.
Sure, but it's not always worth the effort, and MC seems to think that might be the case this time.
30: Parsimon nails it. And if the person becomes an incredible pest after you unfriend, you can always block her as well. Hiding her works but doesn't convey the message since she'd never notice it.
And no, FB is not generally worth it, for almost all values of 'it'. (I hypocritically maintain a lazy presence there anyway.)
You don't get told that you're being unfriended, though. The unfriender just drifts into the night.
You can hide her so that you never see anything she posts and neither do you create any drama.
Yeah, in practical terms there's not actually much difference between hiding and unfriending her. In either case if you want her to know what you're doing you have to actively tell her.
Facebook is an artificial environment: some people tend to friend others willy-nilly, not knowing the other much at all, so you get friend requests from people who would otherwise simply be distant acquaintances, if that. In real life, you wouldn't be sharing a table, as it were, with those distant acquaintances. And if you were, you wouldn't stand for some of the things people blurt out.
What's odd about Facebook is that we're apparently supposed to abide -- by hiding them -- people we want nothing to do with. If you accept the artificial environment that is Facebook, that's fine; if you want to insist that there's a real person on the other side there, talking at your table, you kind of have to say something. Before unfriending.
Plus there's the whole thing about just letting someone know that what they're saying is completely uncool.
39: Your perception of Facebook is clearly very different from mine.
You don't get told that you're being unfriended, though. The unfriender just drifts into the night.
Well shit. I wish I had read this before Parsi guilted me into posting a comment to the objectionable post. No, I didn't call her out on her racism, or not exactly, not explicitly, but I guess the tendency of my comment will be clear (and she'll probably dismiss me as one of those commies from Canada, useful for translating French-language genealogy records, but otherwise crazy and untrustworthy, and in thrall to the free-healthcare-for-all tyranny of the Canuckistan gulag/nanny state). My comment (the pretended concession to the necessity of police work and etc. in direct response to her dumbass post):
Sorry, S----, but this I don't like [a reference to fb's "like" button, which she's probably too stupid to get]. Whether or not George Zimmerman is guilty (of 1st degree murder; 2nd degree murder; or manslaughter) is an open question, sure. Let's have a serious investigation, and let the police do that job. But there can be no honest question, imo, of who (as in, which one of them? George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin) was the guilty party. One of them was armed with a loaded handgun; the other with a bag of Skittles. The one with a bag of Skittles (a 17-year old kid, for the love of God) is now dead. And his family are not just hurting, they are in mourning for the loss of their son. The question is not, Which one of them was guilty? but rather, Was Zimmerman guilty (or not guilty) of an unlawful taking of that young life?
I hope to God she unfriends me, but she probably won't ("Oh, I just meant, We should keep an open mind...And you love dogs, don't you? Here's an inspiring animal rescue story about a really special German Shepherd, LOL!").
I hope to God she unfriends me, but she probably won't
You can still unfriend her, of course.
41.last probably gets it exactly right. That's what you'll get for being circumspect in your reply, MC!
Plus you used way too many words, and the parenthetical remarks are hard to read.
Don't hold back, parsimon. Tell us what you really think.
I hope it's clear that 44 was channeling the thoughts of MC's terrible 'friend' known to us only as S---.
Plus you used way too many words, and the parenthetical remarks are hard to read.
I am unfit for facebook, it is true. The fact is: I'm only there to play Scrabble. Objectionable political commentary and cute photos of kids and grandkids are just so much background noise to the word game.
But I prefer being asked to approve the updates.
Oh, so do I. But I don't like having to decide whether to update and lose some add-on for a while, or not update and get notifications all the time until I finally update. Not much to be done about that. I'm not going to use Chrome as primary browser as long as firefox (or a decent alternative) is available. I just meant that Chrome seems to hide that part of the process.
I am unfit for facebook, it is true.
I hear that some people on Facebook do use more words.
More notes to original article - your pie chart adds up to a few hundred percent. Perhaps another form of chart is better to represent overlapping categories?
I read latered the article, no time to fully absorb. Wish it had a tweet this button so I could share it with others.
39: That kind of assumes you're accepting friend requests from these "distant acquaintances" in the first place. So don't. Accept them from actual friends. Problem solved.
51: I didn't accept a friend request from my BF"s brother and sister-in-law and earlier, right after I opened my account, I had accepted one from his cousin who saw the "in a relationship status." THey both talk to each other and have talked about me, so I'm kind of in trouble for hating SIL. Your advice is good, but easier said than done.
I've just begun an Unfogged friending binge, so everyone ignore 51. Also, if I haven't yet managed to identify which commenter you are, feel free to add me (first name is urine minus the ne, last name seagull minus aul).
Hiding doesn't automatically stop the hidden person from seeing your posts, right? If you don't want them commenting on stuff, you have to exclude them. I have a very small exclude list for people whose politics I either know or don't want to learn. Though it seems more pointless now that I don't post much politics links.
53: I think I might accidentally have ignored a friend request from you. Fixed!
BTW, I am going to be in Boston, the weekend of 21st/22nd and probably the Monday and Tuesday, too. For work, but I might have some free time on the Saturday and Sunday. I might also be in Washington later in the week, but that might be a flying visit.
Yes, hopefully. If I can shake work colleagues.
16 - you can get ghostery on their website, just do a search for it and you'll find it. works on all browsers I think.
28 - yes, glad I stopped by as well, thanks for linking to the post.
50 - there was a tweet button in the body of the piece, is it easier for you if you see it at the top of the page? also, the pie chart was an experiment. my feeling was that an interactive chart would encourage people to spend more time with the data and perhaps learn more. next time I'll try something new. I think it is too easy for one's eyes to just skip over charts unless they are especially engaging either through illustration (which I'm bad at), or interactivity (which I can experiment with).
60: Fresh Salt is actually quite convenient from Boston. Just a short ride on Amtrak from North Station to Grand Central, and then a couple of stops on the 4 to Fulton Street.
Hah. I was about to post the comment "suck it, New York!"
Some say it smells like faeces or traffic fumes.
64: Amtrak stops at GCS?! Don't I wish.
64 is completely accurate, if by"North Station" you mean "South Station," and if by "Grand Central Station" you mean "Penn Station," and if by "the 4" you mean"the 2 or the 3." And if by "short ride" you mean about five hours.
Whereas you could walk from South Station to Lord Hobo in under an hour. You could walk there in under a half hour if you're on the school-near-Boston side of the river.
Sounds like somebodies want to hear me cynicize about the state of infrastructure development in the metropolitan Northeast U.S.! Bonus: Bet on how quickly I reach the point of "And that's why democracy doesn't work."
Just a short ride on Amtrak from North Station to Grand Central
while working on laptops in each other's garages?
Let me be the first to suggest fucking Hartford.
Tell me I'm not the only one to misread the last word of that as "Halford".
I'm sure I'm not the first to suggest that.
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Today's MPLS iteration of the Million Hoodie March may very well be the largest demonstration I've ever been to, excluding anti-war, DNC and the Madison stuff last year. 4,000+ people signed up on FB.
Also, bummer about Adrienne Rich and Earl Scruggs.
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No, I don't want Earl Scruggs. Earl Scruggs is a guy that can't get no love from me.
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I am going to visit a school near Boston, yes. Begins with 'H'.
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NMM to Harry Crews. Damn. Let's remember what we're missing.
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If you're into Unfrozen caveman lawyers.
82: Hmm, these oral pathologies may have been brought about by his grain-heavy, high carbohydrate diet. [re: Ötzi] Probably why he he was unable to defend himself in the end.
Also Lyme disease.
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So, the fellow from whom I got the habit of writing "folks" as "folx" died yesterday. He was 44. He leaves behind a wife, a couple of kids, and a legacy of activism, research, teaching and mentoring that is beyond compare. It's especially bizarre, because after the memorial for my friend who died last week in the house fire, I was trying to compare that friend to other people I'd known in the radical scene, and the fellow who just died was one of the two people I could think of who were as awesome and meaningful to me personally. I don't know what is wrong with the universe right now.
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Damn, that sucks, Natilo. Really sorry to hear it.
I am so sorry. Take care of yourself.
84: So, so sorry Natilo. You have had a remarkably awful run.
(to 81: only one of these two answers is correct; (a) a sexier, suaver Lee Marvin; (b) no).
Damn, I'm going to be away (in Austin!) that weekend.
(and catching up - Damn, Natilo. )
87: is Lee Marvin not a bit ... leathery ... at this stage?
I mean, even before he died (was thinking of those last films). Thought you were supposed to live off beef jerky, not resemble it.
But but but. This. Look at this. "An action guy, at work or play."
Honestly, that clip is one of my favorite things ever. Everyone should look at it. "Action guys on the town . . . Producer Kenneth Heiman gave instructions to his staff. Construct a chateau, complete with bomb shelter, landscaping, and interiors. We'll use it for 25 days. Then: Blow it up."
You can't call someone an action guy as he's stepping into the the back of a chauffeured car.
Natilo, I'm so sorry for your friends and colleagues. I don't know why this is happening.
84: I don't know what is wrong with the universe right now.
As long as you don't take it personally, that way lies madness. I'm sorry you and your friends are having such bad luck lately.