Re: My Pleather

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On it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:37 PM
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I hear good things about wooden clogs.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:38 PM
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I have a friend with a Pinterest set of options. Don't know to link to it.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:47 PM
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"how"

sigh


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:48 PM
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Mooshoes.com


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:53 PM
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Isn't there some store in NY that one of you sent someone to in order to purchase such abominations?

There's a whole bunch of bullshit here, which was the first result for "mens pleather dress shoes" on Google. These shoes are suspiciously cheap.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:54 PM
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Otherwise one can just go to really cheap places like Payless.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:55 PM
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The shoes at Mooshoes are not cheap.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:55 PM
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I'm contemplating spending $150 on And, why not -- don't I deserve the very best?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 4:57 PM
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Also I need some new black work shoes and am contemplating these pups. But should I go for the $275 or $375 model?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 5:02 PM
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I really want a pair of these, which are also not cheap. Online reviews have been favorable, but it's been hard to get a pair in my size (which is at the very upper end of what they make) and in a style I like. Someone with smaller feet would likely fare better.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 5:19 PM
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Those cost more in pounds than my shoes cost in dollars.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 5:49 PM
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10: Johnston & Murphy? I always took you for an Allen Edmonds kind of guy.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:06 PM
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I like to think of myself as a man of the world, but I honestly don't know the stereotypical difference.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:47 PM
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I too would like to know the difference between a Johnston & Murphy man and an Allen Edmonds kind of guy.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:51 PM
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Which one is a better bet on a sinking yacht?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:51 PM
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Who would be better for a round of croquet with flamingo mallets?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:52 PM
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I want the 14 eyelet boot from Mooshoes because "This boot features 14 eyelet lacing and bellowing tongue". I want a boot that can shout louder than the band.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:52 PM
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Which one could kill a bear when he was only three, using a thousand-yard-stare?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:52 PM
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Which would be more likely to get a charge of disorderly conduct dropped?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:58 PM
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Which one could hypnotize the cop into giving the other one the charge of disorderly conduct?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 7:59 PM
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10, 13: Allen Edmonds is reputed to be a better shoe, overall. And if you're going for the more expensive end of the Johnston & Murphy, you're in the Allen Edmonds price range, so why not? I'm pretty happy with my Johnston & Murphys, but then I hardly ever have occasion to wear them, so they haven't had a chance to wear out much. If I go back to the financial industry, I'll be accumulating some Allen Edmonds.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:00 PM
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Which one dances the tango a little too dangerously?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:01 PM
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Which one is more likely to howl at the moon on a waxing crescent?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:02 PM
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Which one puts a comb on its head and a waddle under its chin and cackles at the rising sun, to start the day off right?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:04 PM
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Which one can teach geometry to the kids that don't even want to be there?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:04 PM
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Oh, also, for the large-footed gentleman, Nordstrom Rack seems to get Allen Edmonds in 13, 14 and 15 on a fairly regular basis (they're not cheap exactly, but seem to usually be in the $220-$260 range, so a decent percentage off full retail.)


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:05 PM
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I'm loving the contrast between the heebie and Natilo comments here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:06 PM
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I dunno, my last pair of Johnston and Murphy wingtips were great and lasted a bunch of years with heavy use. Also, they are close by in the mall. Basically I view anyone (including myself) wearing anything other than bespoke John Lobbs as a cheap piker, so who the fuck cares at the lower end.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:08 PM
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Which one recently set a world record for 25 hours of consecutive fist-pumping?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:08 PM
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Which of them secretly has a pair of the opposite brand, wedged between the mattress and box spring, where they're slowly being destroyed by compression without ever being worn?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:10 PM
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Which one is really excited for Father's Day, despite being childless, but because he scored the perfect gift for his own father?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:11 PM
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Which one is defensive about his snoring, when he should really just get his sleep apnea treated?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:13 PM
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Which one takes cat-baths instead of using soap and water?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:14 PM
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Which one fancies himself a vaquero?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:15 PM
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Which one forces himself to pretend that the sack of flour is a real baby as penance, the day after having unsafe sex?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:16 PM
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Which one is a little teapot?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:17 PM
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Which one sleeps in an executive Knoll desk chair, at night?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:18 PM
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Which one seduces his reflection in the mirror?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:19 PM
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It's all just a big joke to you, isn't it?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:20 PM
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Which one loves a woman who bakes him bread and leaves it on one of those doors where the top swings open separately from the bottom, and she opens the top half and leaves it sitting on the bottom half?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:20 PM
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Which one is too embarrassed to wear his puka shell necklace that he secretly loves?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:21 PM
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Aw, poor puka shells. Always getting a bad rap.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:22 PM
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29: Yeah, I'm basically on the same page with you there. I just wouldn't buy anything cheaper than Johnston & Murphy at this point, because everything I've had from that lower range is just crap nowadays.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:22 PM
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I'm writing a sequel to "Blowin' in the Wind".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:23 PM
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Er, I mean, unless you're a puka. They probably have a legitimate grievance over the whole puka-shell-necklace thing. Poor pukas.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:23 PM
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I had not heard of puka shells before this thread, but according to that Wikipedia article nothing in Stanley's 46 makes sense.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:30 PM
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47: I was actually unaware of how they formed. It's probably still an insult to the dead snail in certain snail cultures.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:34 PM
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48: Maybe, but the word "puka" apparently refers specifically to the hole.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:36 PM
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Oh, well, yeah. I didn't know that and was assuming the animal formerly inside was called a puka. More importantly, do vegans wear puka shells?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:37 PM
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In exciting news that I'm reluctant to put on the front page, I leave tomorrow for a wedding. The bride (a former college track runner) is requesting that the wedding party participate in a 5K at 9am on the morning of the wedding.

Wish me luck.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:42 PM
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51: Well, surely if you go along with it, and wear your necklace proudly, you will be accounted a puka sahib.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 8:47 PM
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Do they make barefoot shoes for formal occasions? After wearing nothing but New Balance Minimus, I went back to a normal shoe for a day, and my feet felt giant and squishy.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 9:13 PM
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Laydeez?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 9:13 PM
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I've had a pretty bad day & week, but Heebie's comments here about J&M vs AE men have cheered me up enormously. Thanks, Heebie!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 10:59 PM
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51: I went to one a few years back which involved an orienteering run the morning after the wedding. Taxing.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 11:32 PM
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I'd imagine it's quite nice sitting have a full English/Scottish breakfast in a quiet dining room while one's fellow guests are out running.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 11:55 PM
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Having.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-23-12 11:55 PM
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I wouldn't know. The option of not going on the run did not present itself.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 1:28 AM
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I think I was more hinting that if someone asked me to go on a run with them the morning after a wedding I'd tell them where to shove it, close beloved friend or not.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 3:16 AM
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Ttam and I are in total agreement today.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 3:53 AM
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Actually it was quite refreshing. Admittedly the first mile or two were a bit uncomfortable, but after that the fresh air really did some good.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 3:54 AM
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53: I think I'm going to buy some VevoBarefoot mary janes so I can wear barefoot shoes at work without looking quite as casual. (Well, casual in the foot department.) I can go see whether they have similar options for men and report back!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 4:13 AM
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Stanley's run is the morning of the wedding though, right? Not the morning after, which would be inhumane.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 4:13 AM
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64: I was in a wedding party where the groom recruited at least one other member of the wedding party for a run the morning after. Fleur thought it grounds for annulment.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 4:45 AM
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65: I take it they came back?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:01 AM
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A kickboxing friend was telling of a stag-weekend which involved a mountain run through the Brecons (SAS stylee), which sounded quite inhuman, too. He was quite smug about it as he discovered that 4 hours of kickboxing a week made him quite able to handily beat his former rugby team-mates up and down the mountains. It all sounds a bit out of order to me. Nothing wrong with a bit of solid drinking. Maybe a nice quiet stroll to a riverside pub or similar.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:05 AM
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I take it they came back suffused with the glow of manly exertion.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:10 AM
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65. Fleur was 100% correct.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:10 AM
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Eggplant, if you press the lifestyle button here you'll see their options. They're not the best-looking shoes of all time, but they're non-sneaker barefoot options. I think they're real leather rather than faux, but I didn't actually check and you didn't indicate that was a concern.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:11 AM
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I just bought a pair of sneakers from Vegetarian Shoes which turned out to be total crap and have already fallen apart. I don't imagine their dress shoes would be any better.

I have a pair of Garmont sneakers that I have been wearing for over 15 years. (I recall buying them because they had no animal products in them, but their website right now doesn't make any claims of that sort.) They were starting to wear out after 15 years, so I bought the pair from Veg Shoes. After a month, the pair from Veg Shoes had worn out to the point where I was better off wearing the 15 year old Garmonts.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 5:50 AM
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I would guess that the flesh-wrappings for the animals I'm going to be eating anyway more than provide the leather that I need. There's probably enough left over for one or two vegans to buy real shoes with it remaining my fault.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:00 AM
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Don't lots of trainers have no animal products in them? Canvas and plastic uppers, rubber sole, etc. Most Converse, for example.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:00 AM
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I may have a poor understanding of consequencalist ethics.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:10 AM
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Yeah, generally you are safe, but sometimes they have little bits of trim made from something that might be leather or it might be some space-age substance made from extruded petroleum and there's nothing on the label that explains it.

This time around I wanted to buy something that explicitly advertised that it was not made out of animals or by exploited labor and do something to back that claim up.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:11 AM
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72 -- Buying bison leather shoes supports the return of the buff to the North American plains. We all have our own yardsticks, but this seems better to me than supporting rubber or cotton plantations, oil extraction, or whatever.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:13 AM
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Example


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:16 AM
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Stanley's run is the morning of the wedding though, right?

Correct. The evening prior is some sort of post-rehearsal-dinner cocktail thing, but I'm assuming that will break up at a reasonable hour, given the following morning's activities.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:19 AM
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Also, I can't spell consequentialist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:31 AM
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given the following morning's activities.

5k isn't that far.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:39 AM
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the morning of the wedding though

She's going to regret being down a bridesmaid due to a blown ACL.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:40 AM
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71: CA, who wears shoes harder than anyone but maybe a horse, has a style of Vegetarian Shoes he's been buying for 15 years or so and they hold up really, really well. They're made of Vegetan.

My NB running shoes are all man-made materials and labelled as such.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 6:44 AM
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82: Huh, maybe I just picked the wrong shoe. I can't find the exact shoe I got again on their website. It looks kinda like their X-trainer shoe but the front is different. The problem was that the sole started to come off immediately. Looking at it now, I can see that the sole was just glued to the uppers, not stitched.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:04 AM
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83: Oh -- I make no claim about their sneakers! But their shoe-shoes seem to be really well made.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:11 AM
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I'm also on the market for vegan dress shoes to wear to work.

(I got two pairs of real leather shoes free from a friend who was moving [freegan trumps vegan] but they wore out, so I started wearing the super nice leather dress shoes my mom got me to wear to job interviews, on the hope that I no longer need to set aside extra fancy shoes for job interviews, but they wore out, too.)

Which of these does the mineshaft like

Eric from Navocas

Justin, from Navocas

or

Mastermind, from Brave Gentleman (Price might rule this one out.)


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:15 AM
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I'm not doing well on the links today. This is the mastermind


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:17 AM
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I prefer the Eric to the Justin. I like the fabric in the middle third and the detailing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:18 AM
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CA has the Justin ones and they are ok, but I def. prefer the Eric ones.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:24 AM
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I think the Eric ones look kind of stupid.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:27 AM
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Unless you've already ordered them after 87 and 88. In that case, they'll look great on you.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:28 AM
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FWIW, I think both shoes are pretty rank. Not that I'm a shoe snob, oh no.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:48 AM
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Also, what 90 says.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:48 AM
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So far all the women (including Molly) like the Eric shoes and the men don't like it. I think this means I made the right decision in buying the Erics.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:51 AM
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Ignore ttaM and yboM unless you want to rework your entire wardrobe so that it doesn't look incongrous with a pair of $350 shoes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:53 AM
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I don't have $350 shoes. I was, I admit, lying in #12. I have a single pair of very nice English-made wingtips that I save for special occasions. But they were maybe $250, tops.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:57 AM
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I can attest from having seen them in person that ttaM wears fly-ass shoes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 7:58 AM
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Also, thanks, x!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 11:46 AM
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I bought the Dennis when I visited MooShoes (and ate delicious vegetarian Vietnamese food across the street). I like them pretty well, though I don't wear them a lot, simply because my dress is casual to a fault.


Posted by: Merganser | Link to this comment | 05-24-12 4:03 PM
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Shit, it didn't even cross my mind to check out Ttam's shoes. I shudder to think what he thought of mine.


Posted by: Stranded in Lubbock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:01 AM
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re: 99

Same ones I had on when I met Tweety -- brown brogue boots* -- when we met on Monday. Thursday, old worn-through suede boots.

* different brand but similar in style to: http://www.grenson.co.uk/en_gb/fred-1991


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:04 AM
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Okay, those are pretty sweet.


Posted by: Stranded in Lubbock | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:08 AM
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I prefer the Eric to the Justin.

But when you get right down to it, ALL the members of Take That are pretty dreamy.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:23 AM
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Fortunately, I don't know what that is. But, I am starting to feel that I should replace my shoes now instead of waiting for the sole to wear completely through.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-25-12 7:39 AM
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