## Re: The Glory of Hate

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That's orthogonal to the way I think about it.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:00 AM
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What's important is that some emotion is the opposite of another one. Otherwise things will get way too confusing.

Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:03 AM
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Requiring us to cancel out confusion with the sort of baselessly dogmatic certainty only achievable in blog comments.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:06 AM
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(hate*36.25)/cos(angst)= strong yearning for some chips.

Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:07 AM
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hate = love & ~POSITIVE_FEELINGS;

Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:13 AM
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"Opposite of" really doesn't seem to me to mean "orthogonal to." Left is the opposite of up?

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:18 AM
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Since emotions clearly don't occupy a true metric space, per Ffej, this thread is going to require some serious differential geometry.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:23 AM
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6: Right.

Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:23 AM
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I'm still trying to get an intuitive grasp of the emotional-gustatory life described by the formula in 4.

Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:27 AM
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Most of the differential geometry I'm familiar with does work with metric spaces, but I guess more general things are differential geometry too? "Love is a symplectic form."

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:29 AM
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"Love is a symplectic form."

"It's the open rose, that only grows, where it's nice and warm..."

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:31 AM
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Well, I was thinking about this kind of stuff, which as far as I know (not very far) you can sorta-kinda do differential geometry on.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:31 AM
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Love is a battlefield. Hate is also a battlefield, but that's not a very catchy chorus.

Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:37 AM
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Oddly in 10 I was forgetting the case of pseudo-Riemannian metrics which don't induce metrics in the "metric space" sense but are kind of, like, the thing that general relativity works with. You'd think I would remember that.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:37 AM
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I was never good at lyrics, and spent literally years thinking Pat Benatar was singing "Love is a pineapple." Or, at least, I was pretty sure that was wrong, but never came up with a better theory.

Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:38 AM
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14: I was thinking of the Kullback-Liebler divergence in probability, which is kind of but not really like the distance between two probability distributions.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:41 AM
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"It's the open rose, that only grows, where it's nice and warm..."

"Love is nature's way of giving a reason to conform..."

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:41 AM
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16: Yeah, being asymmetric and all, definitely unlike the usual metric-space metric. But: how does one do differential geometry with it? Sounds like fun.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:42 AM
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3: My baseless dogmatic certainty is vast and respects no bounds, digital or otherwise ... laydeez

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:44 AM
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"Love is nature's way of giving a reason to conform..."
Right, you want to preserve the inner product with apathy.

Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:44 AM
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But: how does one do differential geometry with it? Sounds like fun.

That is exactly what I said to my undergrad TA who told me about it, followed by "maybe I should take differential geometry!" to which he replied "No. No you should not."

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:45 AM
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Why was your TA such a buzzkill?

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:46 AM
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:47 AM
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I want to know what love is...

Posted by: Opinionated Foreigner | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:47 AM
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Isn't differential geometry without a metric differential topology?

Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:51 AM
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And for that, the Kullbak-Liebler divergence provides a topology.

Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:52 AM
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Hmm, a quick scan of the Wikipedia article on differential topology suggests I'm wrong, unsurprisingly.

Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 7:54 AM
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22: I think he took a ton of math in the hope that it would give him a leg up in studying machine learning, and was kind of down on the helpfulness of the math at that particular moment in time.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 8:02 AM
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LOVE & RAGE are four-letter words. So are HATE & HOPE.

Posted by: OPINIONATE DETOURNED BILLBOARD | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 8:06 AM
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Light is the left hand of darkness

Posted by: UKLeG | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 8:30 AM
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I love and I hate. You ask me why this is so;
I do not know, but I feel it, and it torments me

Posted by: Opinionated Catullus | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 8:39 AM
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2: That nails it. Any further thinking about it means one has too much time on their hands and instead needs to get into Crossfit, some exotic martial art, or biking on busy city streets.

Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 8:55 AM
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and spent literally years thinking Pat Benatar was singing "Love is a pineapple."

She wasn't?

Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:11 AM
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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:14 AM
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29:
LOVE
LAVE
LATE
HATE

RAGE
RATE
ROTE
ROPE
HOPE

Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:19 AM
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HATE
RATE
RAGE

HOPE
LOPE
LOVE

The circle is unbroken.

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:44 AM
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15 is great.

The opposite of love is the internet.

Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:49 AM
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The internet is the web, and Unfogged is the spider which feeds on love-bugs.

Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:52 AM
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The white man is the Jew of liberal fascism.

Posted by: Opinionated Jonah Goldberg | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 9:57 AM
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Love and hate are unsigned.

Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:15 AM
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The opposite of love is Jonah Goldberg.

Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:20 AM
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I walked past Sifu a short while ago and nodded toward him but he didn't notice. I should have shouted something about Kullback-Leibler.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:20 AM
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41 is the opposite of wrong.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:21 AM
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42: huh! I was engrossed in mentally complaining about the heat and tourists, I guess.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:30 AM
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Kullback-Leibler

This keeps making me think of Elizabeth Kübler-Ross. I have no joke to offer.

Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:38 AM
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Arg, the tourists. I keep trying not to walk right in front of cameras while they're taking photos but it really isn't possible.

Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:48 AM
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46: I do wonder sometimes how many photos of tourists from around the world I'm in the background (and sometimes foreground) of.

Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:50 AM
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46: I have recently decided that the advent of digital photography means that bit of etiquette no longer applies. Especially when they're blocking the whole goddamned path.

I still struggle a little bit with living that conviction. The social pressure is strong.

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 10:51 AM
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I take my dog swimming at a spot in a nearby park that's popular with professional photographers. I can only guess at the number of wedding photos that have him splashing happily in the background.

Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 11:08 AM
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I think about that during graduation ceremonies. So many people film us walking slowly in and sitting down. I'm sitting in a lot of stranger's hard drives, IYKWIM.

Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 12:25 PM
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I'm in any number of movies (or on cutting room floors) 'cause the motorcycle would get me past the cars and cameras on trailers used to make "driving" look realistic. Look for a black jacket, white helmet, and red bike.

Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 3:18 PM
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You can't see me in the background of the closing credits in Blade Runner, but I'm there. Way in the background.

Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 3:58 PM
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52: Voight-Kampff test time!

Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-13-12 4:13 PM