Re: Guest Post - Helpy-chalk

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pages 184-186 of Mary Douglas's "Purity and Danger" suggest that without legal control over women, polygamy can result in a surprising amount of female choice:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MhdLLB4BNKEC&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=dange+purity+wheedling&source=bl&ots=vAI6UCTi0N&sig=rSl5AMcLy5jxOdkm9hzlTb_ktLc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EcAWUKXZCZSm8ASaroHwAw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dange%20purity%20wheedling&f=false


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:20 AM
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Probably limited to FLDS these days, but Brigham Young implied Jesus had multiple wives, and an early leader, Orson Hyde, specifically named Mary and Martha.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:25 AM
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Some Mormons believe it, though not many. A larger proportion think Jesus had one wife.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:33 AM
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This academically significant documentary was made by Ted Mikels? The maker of The Corpse Grinders, The Girl in Gold Boots, and Blood Orgy of the She Devils? Who had a documentary about HIMSELF narrated by John Waters?

Um ... yep. Here's a review.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:35 AM
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Do all Mormons learn that Mary and Martha were wives of Jesus?

Interesting! I thought that was just the alternate reality in The Last Tempation of Christ.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:38 AM
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4: Holy smokes! This just went oddity to academic scandal. WTF. The book presents the movie as a documentary, when it was entirely scripted, and all the characters from outside the Joseph household were played by actors, including a porn star whose talents are said to be "wasted."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 11:29 AM
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I suppose the problem could again be the editing by Salon.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 11:50 AM
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The editing is so outrageously bad that I can't even guess what was going on with some parts ("an independent second wife" or "AUB" with no explanation) but clicking through to Amazon lets me find out that the author was raised within the polygamist FLDS and is also a legit academic, which I hope would mean she can recognize a documentary when she sees one. The book's subtitle is "Media, Gender, and Politics in Mormon Fundamentalism" but again I'm not sure how all the apparent ethnography fits in with that. Weird, weird, weird.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 12:01 PM
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Sorry if pawned.

NMM to Chris Marker. La Jetee might be his 4th or 5th best work. I loved Le Mystiere Koumiko. Sans Soleil tonight, I think.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 1:26 PM
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Scheduling a sex rotation among twelve women and one man must be a blast.

Husband: Sorry, um, when am I up again?
Wife 1: Oh, silly me! Looks like we left you off the schedule again.
Wife 2: Won't happen again!
Wife 3: Mmmphlbmmff!


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 1:52 PM
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Wife 3 has sex consonantly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 2:35 PM
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10,11: teehee


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 4:10 PM
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TJ is wife number 4?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 4:12 PM
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13: if the others can accept me for what I am and not attempt to change the rotation, sure.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:14 PM
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Since this is the editing thread, some lawyer objects very strongly to this sentence in the local paper.

"A 3-year-old boy who had been hospitalized for a week after he drowned has died, officials said today."

She says, "I am SO saddened by the loss of this child. I am also equally saddened by the lack of acceptable grammar." I'm not sure about her grammar (it seems overly strict to me) but listing your firm in a comment like that seems like very poor public relations.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:14 PM
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What's her complaint, the distance of subject from verb?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:20 PM
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I'm not sure what the current rules in the Global War on Toiletries are. Can they mess with anything I put in checked luggage?

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Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:23 PM
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15, 16: If her problem is that she things "drowned" implies "died in the water" her problem is usage, not grammar.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:24 PM
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18: That is indeed her problem. Or at least she thinks "drowned" means died and the paper is saying "after he died he has died."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:26 PM
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17: "Please note, you can't take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.

You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it's packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations."

That should hold you until you find a local supply.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:26 PM
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10: I was actually imagining that if you have a twelve woman rotation, the desire to stick another man in there would be really strong.

"For two cycles in a row now he's been too drunk to fuck. If only we were polyandrous and polygamous I could get some damn action around here."


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:27 PM
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the desire to stick another man in there

Ooh, in where?


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 5:57 PM
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18: Agreed.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:02 PM
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22: In the butt, Bob.


Posted by: Apocryphal Newlywed Game Contestant | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:03 PM
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also equally
I don't think this is ungrammatical, but it is ugly.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:05 PM
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22 reminds me of my security clearance investigations


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:13 PM
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18: I just read that on said newspaper's site and needed to restrain myself from giving in to a rather strong case of "someone on the internet is wrong" (and unbelievably callous) syndrome.

In her defense, Facebook-linked forums makes it far too easy to associate your employer with whatever stupid stuff you'd like to say on the internet.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:15 PM
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What do you mean apocryphal?


Posted by: Opinionated Newlywed Game Contestant | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 6:31 PM
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It's good to remember that not all great stories are false.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 7:13 PM
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Women use the blueprint of Jesus' wives--Mary and Martha--to help guide them. In Mormon tradition, the two sisters loved each other and when they married the Savior, they became an eternal round.

Hmm. That's quite a tradition (and is there a sequel [or perhaps a prequel?] to Luke that the rest of us don't know about?). The above would seem to violate:

a). The text of the Book of Luke;
b). All known (non-Mormon?) commentary on and exegesis of the Book of Luke;
c). The incest taboo;
d). All of the above.

A larger proportion think Jesus had one wife.

Mary? Martha? Ann Romney?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 9:21 PM
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[I]s there a sequel [or perhaps a prequel?] to Luke that the rest of us don't know about?

Thief, night, not the day nor the hour, etc., etc.


Posted by: OPINIONATED JESUS H. CHRIST | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 9:36 PM
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Thief, night, not the day nor the hour, etc., etc.

Yeah, no doubt.

But I'm not really seeing a clear path from "will come as a thief in the night" to Sister Wives. When one woman is taken, two or three must be left behind to do the washing up?


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 07-30-12 10:03 PM
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and is there a sequel [or perhaps a prequel?] to Luke that the rest of us don't know about?

The sequel, in the sense of the next book by the same guy, is generally reckoned to be Acts, but Jesus only gets a cameo in that one.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 2:26 AM
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32: I speculate that the desire to marry off the Big J, and even moreso the desire to specify His marital arrangements' particulars, is a species of the sin of presumption, if we interpret that sin as comprising all our efforts to apply a human hermeneutic to the Gospel.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 6:57 AM
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Clearly, we need a Vulcan hermeneutic.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 6:59 AM
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[Nerd-encrustedly nerdtastic nerd joke regarding nerd liberal theologians nerdily debating whether Jesus suffered the pon farr madness omitted, for sanity's sake.]


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 12:08 PM
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THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW.


Posted by: Vulcan Jesus | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 4:17 PM
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I always want to hug Flippanter.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-31-12 4:30 PM
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Gee, as a woman none of this appeals to me.


Posted by: Hattie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-12 11:46 AM
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