Re: You CAN Have Your Cake And Eat It Too, Though.

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And people near me will say, "dude, you're 25. What is wrong with you?"

This is me too. I only realized earlier this year why Lo-Jack is called that.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:06 PM
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OMG I never got the Sweettarts thing until now. How clever!


Posted by: trapnel | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:20 PM
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OMG I just got the Lo-Jack thing. But I still don't know what OMG means. WTF?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:24 PM
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You people are weird.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:28 PM
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teo has always gotten puns.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:37 PM
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I'm not denying that there are many ways I am also weird, but this has not generally been one of them.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:37 PM
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I get it!: "I get it: French class! [laughter]"

[laughs]


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 10:40 PM
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I still don't get why Lo-Jack is called that.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:28 PM
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L'eau Jacques? Qu'est-ce ├ža veut dire?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:30 PM
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+que


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:30 PM
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The name "LoJack" was coined to be the "antithesis of hijack", wherein "hijack" refers to the theft of a vehicle through force.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:34 PM
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But that's just stupid. I prefer the French explanation, even if it makes no sense.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:39 PM
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4 to 12.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-12 11:40 PM
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I didn't know that about lo-jack till now. [japanese emoticons for feelings of shame, dismay, elided out of respeck for ogged, PBUH.]


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 2:05 AM
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but how so, "lo"? I mean...it's not as though you're in the car but then take the would be 'jacker captive because of the powers of the lo-jack system, which places you, as it were, in the catbird seat, above below potential attackers. and that thing that you feared would not a be hi-jacking, but a car-jacking. can one even hi-jack anything other than a plane? no, but there's no widely agreed-upon opposite of car, so... (the "truck-jack" system would be massively misunderstood even outside the halls of the confused unfoggedteers who just now noticed that sunkist oranges have been kisssed by the sun.) according to unfogged's new politico-ethical-aesthetic grading assessment, "lo-jack" is a FAIL. it will not receive cake.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 2:15 AM
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Hijacking is the generic term; it predates the hijacking of aircraft and originally referred to stickup men going after bootleggers (deriv. from highway + jacking, a slang term for robbery).

there's no widely agreed-upon opposite of car

"Pinto".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 3:05 AM
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Mmmm, cake. I vote for Alameida starting a recipe blog! You and IOZ.


Posted by: chwdp | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 3:47 AM
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I thought "lo" was just short for "location" or some form of the word.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:08 AM
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Also, I want cake for breakfast now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:10 AM
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cake and coffee is the best breakfast ever, but then three hours later you will feel terrible. I have directed my children to stop me from eating cake for breakfast. however, if you toast the pound cake, it won't count. or if it's your leftover birthday cake. [falls down at 11:30, clutching stomach "oooowww!]


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:20 AM
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Car with a mustache


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:28 AM
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Oh beamish, that comment makes me love you.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:43 AM
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Isn't the idea that you want to "have" your beautiful cake with all its fancy decorations (or erotic tableaux), unmarred by a gash in the corner, rather than "having" more for later?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:59 AM
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That's a nice thing to say. Just a faint echo of the archives.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 5:47 AM
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I always understood the saying to refer to a cake -- a single-serving pastry -- so you can have it or eat it but there aren't going to be leftovers if you eat it. It's not quite modern American usage, but it makes sense.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 5:58 AM
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25 has always been my understanding, too.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 6:07 AM
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They had cakes, but not in a way we can understand.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 6:09 AM
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Maybe it should now be, "You can't have your cake pop and eat it."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 6:14 AM
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I never understood "have your cake and eat it too" either.

I would think, "What good is to have a cake if you can't eat it?"

It only made sense to me when I put it in the opposite order... "eat your cake and have it too" -- then I got the idea -- there's a piece of cake in front of you and you want to eat it right now but you also want to save it to have for dessert.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 6:14 AM
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I think there was a time in my childhood I thought it was "have" in the sense of "eat", meaning you can't eat it twice.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 7:18 AM
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The saying used to be 'eat your cake and have it, too' and it was corrupted. Likewise, the saying used to be 'heels over head in love'.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 7:32 AM
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meaning you can't eat it twice.

Coprophagia excepted.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 7:34 AM
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30 is what I thought for a long time as well.

I love the phrase and use it a lot; it is effective in a lot of circumstances.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 7:37 AM
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33: but by no means in all circumstances.

Actually, it's kind of a pernicious vice of the overeducated -- basically what you're saying is that it's fine for the educationally advantaged to help out their kids at home, but not fine for other parents who don't have that same at-home advantage to seek advantages for their kids at school. Surprise surprise that this allows overeducated egalitarians to have their cake and eat it too.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 8:05 AM
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Or indeed emetophagy.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 8:08 AM
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This eat/have cake discussion reminds me of the great "another thing coming" debate of '05. Which, now that I look again, started with some guy named J/hn H/lbo.


Posted by: L. | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:19 AM
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he great "another thing coming" debate of '05.

My name says it all re my views on that debate.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:26 AM
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When rfts was pregnant with Jane, she was baking a chocolate sour cream bundt cake to have for breakfast every damn week, and it was a) terrible for me b) amazing. Endorsed!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:26 AM
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38: Very precocious of her.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 12:18 PM
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38: Are you sure your wife wasn't trying to MURDER YOU?!?!?!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 12:32 PM
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Can I just speak in support of Scottish oaten cakes? I love those things. Especially with a big ole slap of triple creme cheese on them, but still.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 12:34 PM
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The saying originates in languages that mark aspect, where the "eat" of "you can't eat your cake and have it too" (that being the original order) would be explicitly perfective: you can't have finished eating your cake—have eaten it all up, that is—and have it. You can, as we might put it in English, have eaten at, or be eating at, your cake, and have it too. But you cannot (as we might put it in English) have eaten it up and have it too.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:02 PM
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This is actually one of the examples Graham gives in "States and Performances: Aristotle's Test".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:04 PM
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I think there was a time in my childhood I thought it was "have" in the sense of "eat", meaning you can't eat it twice.

Another hypothesis is that it means "have" in the sense of "know", as in, well, you know, and the saying records not the impossibility of having your cake and eating it too, but the probable disgustingness of such an act.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:06 PM
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One time I caught myself using "to have" to mean "to fuck" during class and I had to call myself out on that shit because it's wrong.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:17 PM
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To know your cake in the biblical sense is sacrilicious.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 4:39 PM
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I come out of lurking to add this entirely true bit of illuminating trivia: the earliest version of this saying of which I'm aware is in Shaftesbury's "Soliloquy, or Advice to An Author". There, in condemnation of knaves, he says that they are like those who "eat their cake and afterwards cry for it".
I have no idea how we got from that to the backwards makes no sense version we have today.


Posted by: backwardsinheels | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 8:45 PM
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There is a feeling I sometimes get, while eating some particularly delicious cake, say, of already being sad for the time in the near future when it will be gone. I bet there's a word in some language for this feeling.


Posted by: ursyne | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 9:00 PM
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Pop tart's top parts for $500.

// spoiler ///

What is Britney Spears, topless ?


Posted by: Not Will Shortz on Jeopardy | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 9:01 PM
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Someone recently recommend Z/ed Sh/aw's Learn Python the Hard Way here. Maybe that is a good way to learn Python. However, Sh/aw appears to be a malignant idiot.

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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 9:45 PM
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50: He's a Ruby developer. It seems to go with the territory.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 9:58 PM
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Ah! Say no more.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 10:00 PM
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47 is great. Welcome to the non-lurkerdom! I'm sure someone will be around shortly with your fruit basket.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 10:05 PM
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I previously thought of the small cakes that were usual before saleratus and regulated ovens. 47 is better, though. Hi!


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 10:11 PM
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Hic Rhodus, hic saleratus!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 10:13 PM
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You can't give a fruit basket and have it too.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 10:56 PM
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Part of what I love about the phrase is that, these days, given the connotations of the word "cake" it's particularly cutting. You can just imagine some spoiled kid, Augustus Disgustibus IV, who is so greedy that he wants to eat his cake and then have it to. NOPE. No cake for you.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:19 PM
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+o. Also, I believe that having pie for breakfast is the mark of the true yankee. Having cake for breakfast makes you Marie Antoinette.

OTOH fatty grass fed lamb for breakfast makes you an ultimate badass.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:23 PM
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Pshaw. Real badasses eat moose for breakfast.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:26 PM
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That's a fair point. I guess the ultimate breakfast, aside from brain meat from the skull of your opponent, is a predator that you've killed yourself. I know that there are guys who bow-hunt large sharks; sharkmeat might count. But grassfed lamb beats a goddamn scone.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:30 PM
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In Alaska you can hunt grizzly bears.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:32 PM
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Right. We've been through that. But since you're unwilling to fight it with a knife, and I'm [a weak corporate lawyer who has never so much as killed a small lizard with a knife] otherwise occupied with feats of strength outside of bear country, where does that leave us in terms of a grizzly bearmeat breakfast?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:38 PM
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I believe it was actually neb who was vocally unwilling to fight a bear with a knife (though I am also unwilling to do so). But then, I'm not the one who cares how badass my breakfast is.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-28-12 11:41 PM
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The snowclone for choose 'respect over love' must include 'Bullets Over Broadway'.



Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 12:25 AM
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60: Most predators probably don't taste very nice, though. Top predator fish are great (tuna, swordfish) but top predator mammals and birds are pretty strong-tasting. Dog, cat, vulture etc.

I admit I've never had bear; might be OK.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 1:26 AM
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I always thought the saying was "you can't halve your cake and eat it too."


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 1:38 AM
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top predator... vulture etc.

What else is on your list of top predators, Ajay? Possum and hyena?


Posted by: simulated annealing | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 1:44 AM
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Vultures are predators. They eat tortoises, which they open up by dropping them on to the heads of Greek playwrights.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 2:24 AM
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Hyenas are also predators - pack hunters. They have a very interesting and complicated social structure and can chew through 30mm steel cable.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 2:26 AM
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Possums, on the other hand, mainly eat leaves.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 2:27 AM
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re: 69

It's always funny watching a bunch of hyenas rock up and bully lions. Much like crows mobbing birds of prey.

'Yeah, yeah. Like the teeth and the furry collar, but there's more of us and we work as a team. We'll have the meat, thanks.'


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 3:30 AM
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I've never eaten vulture, but California condor is delicious.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 3:53 AM
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71: A lot of the time, IIRC, the hyenas are actually driving the lions off a kill that the hyenas made themselves. Lions are the 1% of the veldt.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 3:59 AM
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Yeah. I've watched docs on hyenas when they are actively hunting, and similarly those wild dogs [with the big ears that are sort of hyena-looking, only without the massive jaw muscles] and their pack work is fascinating. Really intelligent and effective.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:04 AM
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71 and 73 make me think a retelling of The Lion King from the hyena's perspective is in order.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:09 AM
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Absolutely. Who gives a damn which aristocrat ends up on top? They're still going to be living by stealing the kills of the working class.

This summer

from Paennim Productions

The unauthorised remake of The Lion King

THE HYENA COMMUNITY ORGANISER

On 8/31/12, guess who gets the last laugh.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:21 AM
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Big Edie Beale somehow sort of makes the phrase disgustingly over-intimate:

"I had my cake, chewed it, masticated it, and thoroughly enjoyed it."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:21 AM
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Partly because I like the idea of an ageing hyena matriarch, having moved a bit too slow and been mortally wounded by a lion, telling her grieving cub "Don't mourn. Organise."


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:22 AM
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heheh. Peter Mullan as the voice of the grizzled hyena IWW veteran.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:27 AM
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Come to think of it, this is pretty much the plot of the Jungle Book, with inter-species class solidarity against Shere Khan as the entitled aristocrat who ultimately gets trampled beneath the hooves of the working class.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:33 AM
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Come to think of it, this is pretty much the plot of the Jungle Book

Not when Disney's finished with it, it ain't. I'll wait for the version in 76.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 4:51 AM
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with inter-species class solidarity against Shere Khan

Yes, with monkeys as the lumpenproles.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 5:34 AM
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Bears eat ants (oh, what mighty hunters they are) leaves, and berries. Fish too, I guess, in season. Anyway, they're fatty and pork like.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 6:19 AM
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their pack work is fascinating. Really intelligent and effective.

And how! I once saw a herd of wild dogs take down an antelope in an intricately choreographed pursuit that had the dogs taking advantage of two human modifications to the landscape to herd their prey into a trap. To the right of the antelope herd was a fence, which the dogs used to keep the herd from fleeing in that direction. To the left of the heard and parallel to the fence was a dirt road, which the dogs used to send out flankers up ahead of the prey (running unobstructed on the road, the dogs could keep up with the antelopes, who had to make their way through thick bush). The pack kept up this pursuit for a few minutes until -- wham -- there was a sudden 90-degree bend in the fence. The antelopes were cornered! The dogs then converged on an unlucky antelope, and it was over in an instant. Apparently they had worked out the precise mechanics of the hunt in advance -- and presumably had executed the maneuver many times before.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 6:55 AM
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Sunken roads, they'll get ya every time.


Posted by: Opinionated Marshal Ney | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:12 AM
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I believe it was actually neb who was vocally unwilling to fight a bear with a knife

Merely verbally unwilling!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:13 AM
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re: 84

Yes, I saw a BBC documentary that documented similar hunting behaviour in the bush. With the dogs setting up ambushes, and having flankers working different parts of the routes they knew the prey would have to take through the bush, with another group flushing from behind.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:14 AM
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I've seen Harris hawks doing this - they're the only raptor to do pack hunting as far as I know. One of them goes fast and low into a hedgerow, the prey animals startle out of the other side, and then the other hawks which are hanging back on a tree perch or in the air go after them. I did find myself muttering "Clever girl" as I watched.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:16 AM
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Hyenas are pretty damn weird and awesome. There's a pack that lives in the hills above UC Berkeley that a roommate of mine studied. I'll allow you guys to google "hyena clitoris" but trust me that shit is fascinating.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:21 AM
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89.last: I think we might have to gloss over that in the cartoon version.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:23 AM
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Sh/aw idiocy continues. I should ignore it? But it offends me that someone so facile should be so popular!

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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:41 AM
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I thought Pygmalion was pretty good. I don't know about the rest.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:43 AM
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There's a pack that lives in the hills above UC Berkeley

Excuse me? I make mountain lion jokes about CA, but hyena packs in Berkeley?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:43 AM
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They're not wild or anything; it's a research colony. Probably getting screwed over by budget cuts these days, I suppose.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:55 AM
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I learned all sorts of wacko things about wolverines from that James Ellroy book.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:58 AM
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They're not wild or anything; it's a research colony

I know someone who worked with those hyenas! It involved what she called a "stinky meat gun."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 7:59 AM
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Circumcision might fix that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:02 AM
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Oh boy! Circumcision thread! Did you read the one where the American Council of Doctors Making Decisions About Babies' Dicks or something formally came out in favor of circumcision? Let the mutilation begin!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:13 AM
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Circumcision thread!

For sewing it back on?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:19 AM
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98: Oh, lord. Do you really want to do this again? But the academy stopped short of recommending routine circumcision for all baby boys, saying the decision remains a family matter.

"We're not pushing everybody to circumcise their babies," Dr. Douglas S. Diekema, a member of the academy's task force on circumcision and an author of the new policy, said in an interview. "This is not really pro-circumcision. It falls in the middle. It's pro-choice, for lack of a better word. Really, what we're saying is, 'This ought to be a choice that's available to parents.' "


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:25 AM
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No, I was just being an ass. I don't actually want to do this again.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:26 AM
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100: Which is my position! So I win! Gooooo, me!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:26 AM
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Circumcision might fix that.

In the specific case of hyenas, this may run against various UN declarations.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:31 AM
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If you circumcise a hyena, you should definitely use an anesthetic.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:32 AM
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Laughing gas, surely.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:34 AM
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Surely it would be better if the hyena used the anaesthetic?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:38 AM
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106: Some for everyone! Dr Benway stylee!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:42 AM
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Or just for the surgeon, Orin Scrivello (DDS) stylee.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 8:42 AM
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Wow, I could not have named the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors. Next meetup with ajay is at Marie's Crisis.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:00 AM
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91: Where does one find this idiocy? I looked at his website but its goofy interface made me close the tab in disgust.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:04 AM
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Excuse me? I make mountain lion jokes about CA, but hyena packs in Berkeley?

They have tenure.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:16 AM
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109: the reference is lost on me.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:16 AM
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91: his blog post about idioms in natural and computer languages, for one (recently featured on hacker news, which is how I was exposed to it—something something first mistake mumble); his twitter stream, too.

On twitter he recently linked to some heavily math-inspired scala code and made fun of it; then people defended it because Category Theory! and he called them all stupid, and speculated in a passive-aggressive way that these nerd languages were only popular in peacock's-tail-ish ways.

He then said that it was "ironic" that all these "intellectual" FP fans are convinced that the One True Way to program is by basing everything on category theory (not that there really are any such straw functional programmers, to my knowledge), and it's ironic because a truly intellectual person would resist any suggestion that there's one true way to do something.

When I asked him, had he then found the true way to be intellectual? he replied that because he had used the indefinite article, "a truly intellectual person", everything was hunky-dory.

That makes sense! A good man is hard to find, but another good man is easy to find! A healthy cow has four legs, but another healthy cow has three legs! The defense especially makes no sense because the whole point of his comment was that the putatitive intellectual functional programmers aren't doing what "a truly intellectual person" would do—but if he's now going to say that he hasn't identified a necessary condition of being truly intellectual, he's undermined himself completely.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:18 AM
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A bar catering to the presumptively-show-tune-literate community.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:18 AM
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When I asked him, had he then found the true way to be intellectual? he replied that because he had used the indefinite article, "a truly intellectual person", everything was hunky-dory.

Agghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:19 AM
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114: you mean chorus girls? Fantastic. I'm in.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:20 AM
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So why is it called "Marie's Crisis" anyway? Some kind of complicated mare crisium pun? Are they into showtunes in the mare crisium?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:27 AM
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Marie's Crisis sounds like a Victoria's Secret sub-brand aimed at women who have suddenly gained weight and find that none of their underwear fits.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:40 AM
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Oh hm there's some plaque about why it's called Marie's Crisis...historical reason...Thomas Paine...let me see if I can find....here we go.

From a respectable home, into a brothel and then later, in the 1890s, a bar, Marie's has seen it all, even weathering Prohibition as a speakeasy. The oddly named cafe is steeped in more than sorted history though, it is on this very spot where revolutionary and statesman Thomas Paine died in 1809, in the wood framed house which stood before the current brick structure in 1839. It is from Thomas Paine that Marie's receives half its name, after his "Crisis Papers" in which the famed line "These are the times that try men's souls" was first written. It is Thomas Paine who first laid out the reasons why American had to break from England in his paper "Common Sense," forming the groundwork for revolution. The Marie comes from the original owner, a Frenchwoman by the name of Marie Dumont.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 10:00 AM
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89: One of the best things about my AP Bio class was getting a tour of that research facility - we got to pet the hyenas! see baby ones! watch then devour an entire shoulder of cow in 45 seconds! and learn all about their strange sexual adaptations! It was fantastic.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 10:53 AM
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On puns.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:10 PM
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109: Huh? I thought the dentist was Dr. Farb.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:26 PM
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122 was me.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:32 PM
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Yup, I was right.

Hey, I didn't remember that Jack Nicholson was in that movie...


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 9:40 PM
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To the OP: I have never tasted, nor even laid eyes upon, an actual lane cake. It sounds all southern and decadent and delicious, and possibly laced with bourbon?

I think alameida should publish a cookbook, with original sketches and quirky reminiscences in the marginalia.

I make a double fudge chocolate layer cake, but only for birthdays.


Posted by: Mary Catherine | Link to this comment | 08-29-12 10:33 PM
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I think alameida should publish a cookbook, with original sketches and quirky reminiscences in the marginalia.

Fuck, yes! I'd pay $100 for it.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-30-12 2:19 AM
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Indeed. Especially given that Husband X has previous in the quirky publishing field.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-30-12 2:28 AM
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