Re: Running from the Fuzz

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Even if the guy was a really fast limper, I think the police aren't supposed to shoot somebody running away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 10:31 AM
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Even if the guy was a really fast limper, I think the police aren't supposed to shoot somebody running away.

They can't (legally) shoot someone running away solely because they are running away. They may be allowed to shoot people running away for other reasons.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 11:08 AM
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They can't (legally) shoot someone running away solely because they are running away.

There has to be an extenuating circumstance like "didn't sign his ticket" or "peed all over the back seat of my squad car".


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 11:19 AM
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Do squad cars have vinyl seats in the back?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 11:35 AM
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Our Impalas do. And I got assigned a 2012 model which also has this pebbly rubber flooring everywhere front and back. Definitely better than my '06 with carpet floors.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 11:49 AM
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The only time I've ever been in the back of a squad car the seat was made out of hard plastic. Stupid uncomfortable, but probably makes cleaning pee easier.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 3:38 PM
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Speaking of running and the police, this story from the Bronx sounds heartbreaking. Bodega clerk runs from robbery, gets shot by arriving police officer.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 3:51 PM
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The only time I've ever been in the back of a squad car the seat was made out of hard plastic.

Yep.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 4:32 PM
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Like molded plastic?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 6:39 PM
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Yeah, like this


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 8-12 7:14 PM
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oh damn you have to read the whole linked story. it is a perfect storm of 'person most likely to get shot while fleeing the cops like a dumbass' and 'dumbass cop from PG county, famed far and wide for terrible police work, who is psycho.' I hope the man lives and can walk again.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 3:16 AM
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Didn't realize it was PG county. Those cops are legendary.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:23 AM
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I enjoyed how they put the quote from his sister about how he "never like hurt anyone, threatened anyone, or has been a threat to anyone." right after detailing his conviction for armed robbery, the previous attempted carjacking of an off duty cop, and the time he wrecked into a couple other vehicles while fleeing in a stolen car.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:43 AM
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Being paralyzed might be good for him. On the evidence so far, being able to drive, walk or run hasn't worked well.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:47 AM
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We've got a lawsuit being filed for a taser death where nobody was actually tased. That pic is of their "eyewitness".


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:16 AM
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The guy had a heart attack in police custody?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:22 AM
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Keeled over and died after he was cuffed. Autopsy results not back yet, but he was a regular with us. Mid 40's and had been hitting the crack and meth for around twenty years. He was one of those guys that if he'd been hitting the pipe there was a pretty good chance of a chase and/or struggle with him.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:29 AM
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15: It's not really surprising that no one is willing to take the department's story at face value, but man, those are some bugged-out eyes.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:40 AM
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You'd think to sue though they'd at least wait until the autopsy came back. A cop covering up a taser incident is damn near impossible. It leaves physical marks on the person, there's a device inside making a digital record of everything that taser does, and when you fire a cartridge it showers the scene with these "microdots" emblazoned with the taser's serial number.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:51 AM
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Make it rain, taser-man.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 10:57 AM
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I wonder if microdots are more edible than Dippin' Dots. You should sample them and report back, gswift. For science.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 11:53 AM
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I know this is a little early for a threadjack, but given it's already a law enforcement thread, I figure this is semi-relevant at least.
In the Strib today there is an article about a former MPLS park police chief who was disgraced a couple of years ago by being named as a pedophile. What's singular here, as the article goes to some lengths to point out, was just how many people were involved in covering up for this guy. By my count, it's at least 3 school administrators, 2 YMCA camp directors, a MPLS police chief, the MN Atty general's office, and another park police administrator. To my mind, this seems much worse/more bizarre than Paternogate, where at least the guilty parties in the cover-up had some discernible personal investment in the scandal not coming to light. Here we have a whole bunch of people who had nothing to lose by taking action (plus some people who did) who did nothing. "It was a simpler time" only goes so far in explaining this malfeasance.
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/169053916.html?page=1&c=y
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Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 1:17 PM
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I understand that cardiologists now recommend not using crack and meth, for optimal heart health.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 1:23 PM
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22: That is a really strange story.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 1:34 PM
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GODDAMN underground parking garages and their too small spaces and their poorly-placed pillars. Time to replace a side view mirror.
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Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 2:02 PM
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Distressingly close to being on-topic!:

So guess what happened this morning as I was carrying my bike down the stairs of my building, heading out to the local Quaker meeting? A shooting, right on my corner, maybe 50-80 yards away! I was like, "shit, I hope those were just firecrackers going off." Then I open the gate, and see two cars flooring it up the hill, away from the corner, and a bunch of folks basically hiding behind things while looking towards the intersection. Just as I'm starting to process this, my (veteran) housemate yells down from the rooftop that I should get the fuck back inside, because somebody just got shot.

So I turned around and took the slightly circuitous route instead (but thanked my housemate for the heads-up), and by the time I crossed that main street again, two blocks down, cops and ambulances were already converging on the scene. Impressively quick response!

Lucky timing, all things considered--if I'd been out the door 30 seconds earlier, I'd have been right at that corner when it happened, and since it was a bunch of shots, 5-10 maybe, I'm sure plenty hit unintended targets. And since I was heading to the Sunday meeting anyway, I already had an hour set aside that I could conveniently dedicate to processing the whole experience in contemplative silence!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:04 PM
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Holy shit. Glad to hear you're okay.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:09 PM
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27 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:11 PM
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Yeah, I'm fine, was just a bit shaken up--md 20/400's the one who's suffered on this thread, honestly. About halfway to downtown, I started thinking that maybe I should have gone over to see if there was anything I could do to help possible victims--my housemate might have been pointing at somebody who might have been slumped on the ground, but who might just have been crouching down like everyone else--but OTOH, 1, a bunch of other people were clearly on their phones calling in help and so on, and 2, I don't have any idea what I'd do if I actually encountered someone with a gunshot wound, anyway. Press cloth on the wound to stop the bleeding? I suppose one of these days I should look into one of those first aid classes.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:15 PM
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Plus, if I'd stuck around, not only would I have been [even] late[r] to the meeting, but the cops might have wanted to question me, and even though this perhaps falls into one of the exceptions identified in the other thread, I'm still generally on Team Never Talk To The Cops.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:18 PM
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Driving today, I saw a guy with the bumper sticker "I'm a LESBIAN stuck in a man's body." That was a new one.

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Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:27 PM
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I've never seen it on a bumper sticker, but was the expression itself new to you? I feel like folks have been saying it for decades.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:31 PM
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32: Yeah, the expression was new, too.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:34 PM
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That expression is older than you.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:43 PM
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The poor sideview mirror.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:45 PM
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26: Glad you are safe but I'd think going back inside would be safer. You don't really know which way is avoiding the problem.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:46 PM
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36: yes, in hindsight, that was pretty stupid. Ah well. Next time I'll listen to the guy who's actually been shot at before.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:47 PM
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I admit I am kind of loving the idea of trapnel being so focused on making it to the Quaker meeting that he won't let a little gunfire get in his way.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 5:56 PM
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Gunfire is less dangerous than stood up Quakers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 6:00 PM
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If you're late, they make you wait in the vestibule until 15m after the start time. They don't mess around.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 6:23 PM
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What the hell? Trapnel what weird-ass version of SF do you live in where 1. there are people getting shot on the street and 2. there are quaker meetings?

Also, did you grow up a quaker? Does this... it can't, right?... tie into the speed-skating?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 6:50 PM
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Dirty Harry was set in SF for a reason.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:02 PM
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Harry Callahan was a Quaker?!?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:04 PM
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Nixon was.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:05 PM
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"Go ahead. Speak your piece."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:07 PM
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There are a bunch of Quaker meetinghouses in the East Bay, so I'd assume there are some in SF. But the wild shooting in the street is definitely unpleasant. Glad to hear you're alright!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:08 PM
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Trapnel what weird-ass version of SF do you live in where 1. there are people getting shot on the street

Bayview, I think.

There have been a bunch of shootings in the Mission lately, too.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:11 PM
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Yes, Bayview, though I may at some point be moving near Civic Center - but to say more would violate the sanctity of off-blog &c.


Posted by: x.Trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:30 PM
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You have an adorable toddler, too?!


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:35 PM
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Also, did you grow up a quaker? Does this... it can't, right?... tie into the speed-skating?

I didn't grow up a Quaker, and I'm not one now, either, though I did go to Quaker summer camp in Maine when I was young, so I'm familiar with the whole silent worship thing. When, a few weeks back, I read Iris Murdoch's The Philosopher's Pupil, in which a number of characters were Quakers, I was reminded of that experience, and it turns out that the local group had weekday silent worship ten minutes after, and only a couple blocks away from, my weekly therapy appointments. I thought it might be worth trying out, as a way to institutionalize further reflection about whatever I was just saying and hearing in the therapy sessions.

So far it's been a good experience, though I feel a bit guilty--I'm using them for their silence! I know Quakers are a rather big tent, theologically speaking, but I'm a pretty hardcore atheist, and about as opposed to anything that could be characterized as mysticism as one can be without actually establishing a cult of reason in a bloody revolution. (And yes, I know one can find plenty of google hits for Quaker atheism &c.) Still, I showed up to help them with their food pantry yesterday, and I borrowed a book on the Quaker tradition from their library today, to get a sense of things. But basically: using them for their silence.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 7:45 PM
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Oh, to the OP: We had a similar incident last week: Some young fellow who'd gone to the bad had taken a dozen people hostage in a motel room in the outer suburbs. He sexually assaulted four women who were there, at gunpoint, and was acting all crazy, and one kid managed to run out, where he was promptly shot by the police. Standard racial apportionment among cops, shooting victim, and hostage taker may be taken as read.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:08 PM
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I went to a Quaker wedding once. It was great.

I could see becoming a Quaker except that I'm also a committed atheist, and am too lazy to keep a regular commitment.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:36 PM
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I could see becoming a Quaker except that I'm also a committed atheist, and am too lazy to keep a regular commitment.

Basically agreed, yup. I have lots of quaker ancestors, too, which, from what I know, means Carp does, too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:40 PM
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52.1: Why a goat as a gift?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:44 PM
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I still like going to Catholic Mass every now and again. There are stories and songs. There's quiet time to reflect. I'd kind of like to take communion still, too, but I generally don't because it'd feel as if I were doing it for the wrong reasons and thus being disrespectful to the faithful.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:46 PM
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53 -- Yep. Some of the same folks, I'd guess.

54 -- She was a really good looking goat. I'll see if I have a picture I can put in the pool. Might not.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 8:59 PM
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(had one good one and one not very good one that shows scale)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:05 PM
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I'm not sure I know how to tell which goats are good looking. I guess I'm not used to people keeping them outside of butchering/milking reasons. I knew one guy whose parents kept them as pets, but they were never able to explain that to me either.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:12 PM
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Not that I expect everybody to have only the animals that make sense to me. Anyway, it's late here. Goodnight internet.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 9-12 9:14 PM
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There have been a bunch of shootings in the Mission lately, too.

Jesus, is there something astrological going on? We've had like five in my zone in the last 24 hours. I took fuckers to jail today twice on two unrelated shootings.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 12:07 AM
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My cousin had a Quaker wedding, which was actually kind of weird since neither she nor her fiancé was a Quaker. It was a nice ceremony, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 12:20 AM
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Huh. So that's why Quaker weddings have that exemption in the Marriage Act.

Also, Jesus, what do you say to im getting increasingly suicidal and its no big deal cause i can cope with myself like this.?


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 1:22 AM
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(Blargh not to be a downer or anything!)

Marriages are way more fun. We might get marriage quality in NZ soon, the first reading of the Bill passed 80-40. (And with the votes of some people who voted against decriminalization in '86.)


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 1:45 AM
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They just found a severed head floating in the canal near where I used to live. Everyone's sort of hoping that it belongs to the headless torso they found floating there in March, because having two separate dismembered bodies in the same canal would be a bit much.
(Like the bit in Homicide where they're searching the park for a murder victim and the sergeant goes "Remember, we're looking for one body in particular. If you stop at every one you find, we'll be here all day.")


Posted by: Ian Dury | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 1:51 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19540743


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 2:39 AM
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"Marriage quality" is just a great typo.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 3:49 AM
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62: Yikes. What's up?


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67 to Keir, not advice to say "Yikes. What's up?"


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 5:40 AM
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67 was me. Although confronted with "im getting increasingly suicidal and its no big deal cause i can cope with myself like this.?" I probably would respond with "Yikes. What's up?" because I don't have common sense about how to get people to open up.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 5:41 AM
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Friend broke up with long term-ish partner, not handling it amazingly well (which I knew but didn't realise that bad.) Seems ok-ish now, but ugh too heavy for me.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 5:55 AM
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I went to a Quaker wedding once. The other commenters whose wedding it was should link to a (so cute!) picture.

In the early 80s CA's dad (an atheist) became a Quaker in hopes of bolstering any future CO claim CA might care to make. (Seems like it might have been easier for CA to bung off with one of his other passports, but hey.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 5:56 AM
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Turns out it's Dismembered Body Parts Day in London today... honestly, what is wrong with this city.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/10/baby-body-tooting-bec-london


Posted by: Ian Dury | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 7:08 AM
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using them for their silence

Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-10-12 10:48 PM
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