Re: Questions Too Invasive and Hostile to Answer

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Actually, I think the author's response at the end is about as mature and diplomatic as anyone could be under those circumstances.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:14 AM
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I think she could have answered the questions - just don't take yourself so seriously. Either make a light joke playing off the interviewers joke, and then ferret out the legitimate question, or make a joke of the whole thing. Or answer honestly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:19 AM
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It was a reasonable response, though I think the interview questions were fair too. Shocking memoirs annoy me the same way RP fic does - seems to be relying on other people following social norms that the author is breaking.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:21 AM
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The interviewer is an ass (based on past performance), so I don't have any more goodwill for him than I do for AS. I thought this was obnoxious akin to Clint Eastwood at the RNC.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:25 AM
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I would have liked haev seen an example of a sext she sent.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:25 AM
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Get your own sexts, helpy-chalk!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:26 AM
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I don't have much memory for the interviewer, but super-disliked the author. Which made this pleasing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:27 AM
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I followed the link to the interview Gothamist did when Sohn published her first book, and wow, no wonder she suggested doing that again. The interviewer asked her softball questions that allowed her tell self-satisfied little stories. Puke.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:28 AM
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Shocking memoirs annoy me the same way RP fic does

Received Pronunciation? Downton Abbey, that sort of thing?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:28 AM
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Real People fanfic. Disturbing, squared.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:32 AM
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Real People fanfic.

So, libel?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:40 AM
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10: Flashman, you mean?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:42 AM
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I don't think it can be libel if it's explicitly identified as fiction, but it does make me queasy. Fanfic makes sense to me -- I don't read it because sorting through for the occasional bit that's competent enough to enjoy is too much work, but I get it -- but RP fanfic seems like some nasty kind of harassment.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:43 AM
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neither side could agree on a topic for a post

is a weird construction. Agreement requires two parties- of course "neither side" could agree. "The two sides could not agree on a topic for a post", it should say.

(I don't actually have anything to say about the content and I'm about to go teach a class.)


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:44 AM
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I also thought "received pronunciation". Come on, no one talks like that!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:54 AM
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Do I want to know what "real people fanfic" is? Is this like me writing a short story about my dry cleaner's sex life?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:57 AM
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The guy behind the Comics Curmudgeon has started a presidential slash site. Maybe that's it.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:58 AM
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I once read some of a website devoted to Clay Aiken fanfic. It was women writing about their beautiful romance with and ultimate marriage to super-straight-totally-into-laydeez Clay Aiken. There was lots of waiting til marriage.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:01 AM
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Someone linked once to a piece of fanfic about Jon Stewart. It wasn't particularly graphic or anything, but man, if people were writing things like that about me I'd never get a good night's sleep again.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:04 AM
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the RPfic I've read that wasn't historical fiction made me feel Puritanical; I disapproved of the pleasure it seemed to give the author as much as of the libels committed against the bears.

Answering, e.g., the Problem of Susan, is wonderful; pastiche juvenilia seems like necessary practice; fanfic supports both of these; but there's a lot of dross around it.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:07 AM
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There's a Wikipedia article with far too much information.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:09 AM
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now putting double-sided tape on my ";" key. perhaps that will help me use it less.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:09 AM
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"As you know, I was raised by radical Stalinists in Park Slope in the 1980s."

I think I sprained something by rolling my eyes too hard.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:22 AM
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re: 23

I assumed that quote was a joke, or at least a deliberate piece of knowing wankery.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:30 AM
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Both parties raised valid points.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:31 AM
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24: Both interpretations are eyeroll-tastic.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:31 AM
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I dunno, interviewer is probably an asshole, but the previously linked piece was one of the more absurdly banal things I've ever read. You put shit like that out on the interwebs, you've got to expect that someone's going to call your bluff.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:44 AM
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Real People fanfic

So, like, The Social Network?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 11:03 AM
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The Social Network was pretty clearly defamatory. But was also a pretty good movie.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 11:08 AM
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et tu, Unfogged? There's no shortage of media outlets for misbehaving New Yorkers and the snark they inspire. Who cares?


Posted by: good enough cook | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 12:24 PM
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Don't know any of Jake Dobkin's work, but Amy Sohn's original piece was vile, and this is exactly the kind of savage head-kicking it deserves. And in the earlier interview she displays self-absorption that probably merits institutionalization. If you're gonna boast about your 'beege prowess', you should expect blowback.


Posted by: Man Suit | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 12:32 PM
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So to speak.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 12:47 PM
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30: We've obsessively analyzed Amy Sohn before.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 12:54 PM
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There's lots of forums for lots of stuff.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 1:31 PM
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I've never thought of "beege" spelled that way, but it's really good. Today I found myself saying "heyjay" for handjob and it seemed to communicate what I intended it to.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 2:47 PM
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35: Kind of dying to know the social context in which 'handjob' would be forbidden but 'heyjay' would be a-ok. Good word, but I doubt if I could pull it off without laughing. (Or without an involuntary alien-hand-syndrome-like motion.)


Posted by: Man Suit | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 7:39 PM
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Easier to yell from a car window?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 7:43 PM
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"Now, does anyone have any questions for the Vice President?"


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 7:44 PM
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38 is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 7:52 PM
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"Heyjeyhey": the catchphrase of the erotic Fat Albert cosplay enthusiast.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 7:55 PM
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I'm choosing to assume 40's referent is singular because there can be only one, but of course I know I'm wrong.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 8:00 PM
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38 is the best.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 8:51 PM
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The context was having lunch with two colleagues at the student dining hall, surrounded by our students, and trying to figure out whether the distinction between and second and third base is determined by above/below the belt, as according to Colleague 1, or whether manual/oral, as according to Colleague 2.

In other news, the job I am most qualified to apply for in every way this year (of shockingly few) is currently held by the last person I tried to date (four years ago, and it was bad enough I haven't tried again), the person he was cheating on with me (without my knowledge), and another person who despised me in school for some reason I never figured out, unrelated to the ex and his gf. Should I apply, or is it a rat's nest? Taken individually, none of these would be so bad, but it sort of feels like tossing a bomb on myself.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 8:53 PM
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The job is held by three people?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 8:57 PM
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I can't really imagine a lunch with my colleagues going in that direction.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 8:59 PM
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45: You need to get some better colleagues.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:01 PM
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Seriously. Lunch on Monday with a different colleague at the student dining hall was way weirder, and almost ended in tears. We do LUNCH here.

44: No, sorry -- ex is in the position, and the others are probably on the committee in that same department.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:03 PM
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ex is in the position, and the others are probably on the committee in that same department.

So they do all hold it, but in different senses.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:04 PM
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Holding multipliciter dicitur.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:10 PM
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I guess I did call a colleague a pervert at dinner tonight, but in context that was about physics, not sex.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:13 PM
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Perhaps you should apply. You may never have another chance to write a cover letter like this.


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:14 PM
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50: That was my Monday's lunch!

51: I hadn't considered attacking the problem head-on. Hm.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:15 PM
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49 is the plural of "heyjay."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:15 PM
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attacking the problem head-on.

SO HAT SIE GESAGT!!!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:18 PM
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Heehee.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:19 PM
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It doesn't really work as well in German, does it?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:21 PM
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Seems to work fine to me.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:22 PM
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But at first I was reading it as "that's what you said".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:24 PM
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It is crazy windy here tonight.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:26 PM
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But at first I was reading it as "that's what you said".

That would have been "So haben Sie gesagt". Sure, in all caps you can't distinguish the "sie" from the "Sie", but the verb, man! The verb!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:27 PM
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The verb!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:29 PM
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Sexual perversion!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:29 PM
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Right, that whole grammar thing. I should probably limit my complaining to languages I actually understand. But then where would we be?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:29 PM
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59: Here too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:30 PM
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When I went on Birthright some of the people in our group made "Zeh mah shehi amra!" into a running joke. The Israelis who had provided the initial translation were admirably patient with the whole thing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 9:54 PM
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You know, I didn't actually see any obvious hits for "so hat sie gesagt" on the German-language youtube. And some poking around suggests that it's used, if at all, as an Anglicism rather than auf deutsch--and I see, looking at Amazon.de, that only the first season of the American version of The Office has been released on DVD, and only last year, so that may explain it. The Office is what popularized it here in the last few years, no? (Though the internet tells me that it featured in one of the Wayne's World movies, too.)


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:12 PM
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I don't really associate the phrase with any particular pop-culture inspiration, though I'm sure that's how it was originally popularized. And yeah, I think it's definitely still almost exclusively an Anglophone thing. The aforementioned Israelis were totally mystified by it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:19 PM
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Has the New Yorker piece on ev psych already been discussed? It's like the article was ripped from the front page of an eclectic web magazine.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:33 PM
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Not AFAIK, but I haven't been reading very many of the threads lately.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:34 PM
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69: that's what I thought. Well, someone should blog it. The essay really does read like it was jointly written by Sifu Tweety, ttaM, LB, and a few other folks around here.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:41 PM
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Huh. Is it online, or do they keep it paywalled?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 10:45 PM
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68: wow what a weird coïncidence!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-18-12 11:02 PM
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