Does philosophy or logic have a specific name for that? I mean, it's fitting evidence to a belief you already hold (for which there's probably a Greek or Latin name) but it seems more specific than that, though I find myself at a loss to articulate this clearly at the moment.
about why women are the emotional centers within a relationship
I'm curious about how widely-held this belief is. I would think anyone could think of numerous counterexamples almost immediately.
Read: hysterical emotional centers within a relationship.
read was not the emotional center of relationships here.
My dad has always been way more apt to hysteria than my mom, uteruslessness notwithstanding.
Emotional salience can get primed with language, too.
"The Alphabet Versus the Goddess" 'splains that women are visual and men are verbal and that's why men make more money in our symbolic-manipulation economy. Since I spent too much of my youth having it 'splained that women are verbal and men are visual and that's why women are secretaries and men are engineers, it all goes in the always-at-war-with-Oceana bin.
Careful so you don't get put into the hat with the rat inside.
"I won't betray them in a hat, I won't betray them with a rat." Dr. Seuss does totalitarian dictatorship?
It's dodging the rat.
(I pin a rat to my head on a regular basis, but that's different.)
I don't recall any material gender differences in the various studies on image priming, but that might be a function of my memory rather than the studies. I'd have to dig out my copy of Thinking Fast and Slow to check.
In a year and a half it will be 30 years since the opening scene of 1984. I'm going to have a big totalitarian party, with lots of Victory gin.
And cheap waxy chocolate that smells of burning leaves! The guests could do calisthenics, and women in attendance could wear the red sash of the Junior Anti-Sex League.
This sounds like an awesome party.
always-at-war-with-Oceana
See, I knew there was a name for it.
Farthings and ha'pennies as party favors.
21: That bit drove me insane when I first read it: the old man complaining that he wants a pint because a half-liter of beer is too small and a full liter is too big? In the US, a pint is less than a half liter, making the complaint incomprehensible. Whenever it was that I found out that 'pint' in the UK meant something 20% bigger than 'pint' in the US was an immense relief -- I'd apparently been worrying about how to make sense of the complaint for years.
Is a pint not a pound the world around?
23 is a relief. I worry when you worry, LB.
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Hey LB how about a Maker Faire recap post?
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25: Huh. Apparently not. UK pounds (weight) aren't the wrong size like UK pints, are they?
27: I hardly saw the Faire -- the knit/crochet/spinning room was busy and they didn't have enough people teaching crochet, so I worked longer than my four hour shift on Saturday, and ended up without much time to walk around the rest of it. I was thinking about posting something about what it's like teaching manual skills, but haven't gotten around to it. Sally missed it this year, because she had to get contacts on Saturday so that she could play in her first rugby game on Sunday (Her team of high-school girls slaughtered the SUNY Stonybrook women's B-side 113-0.)
Buck and Newt went on Sunday, but I had a bunch of stuff I needed to get done.
28: no. Our tons are bigger than yours (2240lb rather than 2000lb), though mostly we use tonnes now (2200lb).
Odd that the US uses different measures for pints when, presumably, the pint was standardised in Britain by 1776. Can we blame Noah Webster? Early prohibition campaigners trying to get Americans to drink 20% less beer without noticing?
Apprarently not. Not standardised until 1824.
Looking at Wikipedia, your pints were standardized in 1824, so it all makes sense.
And yes, drinking pints of beer in the UK is a somewhat intimidating experience. That extra four ounces in each glass is a lot.
31.last: hey, you changed. We stayed just the same.
Wait, a ton and a tonne are different things? WTF.
I have no intuitive sense at all of how much a pint is. Smaller than a gallon? What's a quart? It's all mysterious.
35.2: avoiding beer breeds ignorance.
I have no intuitive sense at all of how much a pint is. Smaller than a gallon? What's a quart? It's all mysterious.
This is very weird to me -- like the bit in the Sherlock Holmes stories where Watson finds out that he doesn't know that the earth orbits the sun. Don't you ever buy milk, and notice the various sizes of containers in the dairy case?
And why wouldnt our pint glasses for beer here be standardized with the UK's, since in the USA ordering a pint of beer is basically an Anglophile affectation?
Oh, right. Milk also comes in pints.
I've never seen milk come in a berry.
37 -- I just go by the big carton/little carton eyeball test. I guess this would be a problem for baking but I don't know where else it would come up.
in the USA ordering a pint of beer is basically an Anglophile affectation?
It... what? What is the American size of beer to order?
"Pint?! Ooh la lah, Mr. Englishman." "What do you call it?" "A beer-hole!"
I thought that a pint of liquor (ie 12 shots, or half a fifth) was not the same denomination as a pint in other contexts.
But they print words on the cartons. I'd think you'd occasionally read the words accidentally or something.
27, 30: Last weekend, we went to the Maker Fair in Pittsburgh. They had a blacksmith who let little kids hammer out a trinket in very hot metal. It was a big hit.
Yup. 12.5 oz in a half-a-fifth pint, 16 oz in a regular pint.
"I'd like four gills of beer, to honor my ancestors who died at Valley Forge."
44: I didn't know that there was a special half-of-a-fifth pint for liquor: I thought pint liquor bottles were the same size as a pint of milk.
47: Anybody who gives you 12.5 ounces and calls it a pint is cheating you.
I literally have never seen anyone outside the beer snob context order a pint of beer. It's either a "glass" or a "draft" or just a "beer.". Sometimes you get asked if you want a 16oz instead of a 12oz.
You're afraid of grain so maybe nobody tells you.
50: I've got bad news for you about those bottles of whiskey.
51: If you're not just trolling, that's an east-coast/west-coast thing. My local bucket-of-blood is not a beersnob place at all, but 'pint' is the name of a 16-oz glass of beer.
53: I meant for beer or milk or berries.
In my experience, except at, like, the airport, if you order a draft beer it comes in a pint glass. (Well, unless it's a fancy kind that comes in some other kind of glass, sure.) Is that somehow a product of anglophilia?
"That's not a pint glass, you frickin' lobsterback! That's a beer glass."
Also "pint" is the name of the style of glass. Ie someone might say "How come everyone else got served their beer in pint glasses, and I got this shitty mason jar?"
I've never heard of liquor being ordered by the pint. The 1/2 of a fifth bottle is always just called "small" or something.
In fact, on the east coast, people put on their "pint glasses" when they've had too much and everyone starts to look extra good-looking.
Im really not trolling. People ask for a draft, or just the name of a beer, except unless they are in a beer snob place. I think that was true on the East Coast as well, but maybe things have changed or I'm misremembering. Certainly no one ever ever asked for a " pint" in the college bars.
58: You probably just haven't been exposed to enough alcohol.
Also, it's not exactly something you would order so much as buy from a store.
You'd start sounding Anglophilic if you started identifying what you planned to or had been drinking as 'pints' rather than 'beers' outside of the immediate ordering context, I suppose. Someone saying "Let's go out and have a couple of pints" is this close to referring to their friends as 'mates', and should quit it unless actually British. But when you're ordering that size beer, it's a pint.
61: I always buy liquor by the fifth or the 1.5L. Because of the savings.
Right, I agree that people would say "pint glass" for that tall glass. But people aren't ordering pints, IME.
60: but regardless of whether you say "pint" when you're ordering, if you order a draft beer and it comes in a 16oz. (that is, "pint") glass, you have -- crikey! -- just ordered a pint of beer.
When I order a draft beer, I usually specify the name of the beer, so they know what tap to get it out of.
Oh, you do that? I play hot-and-cold with the bartender.
Sometimes you get asked if you want a 16oz instead of a 12oz.
I don't think many actual bars (i.e. as opposed to restuarants or whatever) around here serve 12 ounce glasses or beer. Some of them do serve 20 ounce glasses, but 16 is clearly the default.
51 is correct in my experience. People don't say the word "pint" when ordering, because there are no options as to what amount of beer you want to order. You just pay per beer, possibly after asking exactly how much you will get when ordering "a beer". Is it a full 16 oz, or a measly 12 oz?
The "beer snob context" is the only context in which draft beer might potentially be served in multiple different quantities. 8 oz., for example.
That being said, there is one restaurant around here that has started upselling beer. You order a beer, and they say do you want 16 ounces, 22 ounces, or 32 ounces? The goal being for the customer to say "Whoa! 32 is too much. I'll have 22 ounces." Then that turns out to also be too much.
66 of course means that I do not order beer, because I do not say "I would like a Harpoon IPA beer." This is because I am a, uh, poonophile? No, that sounds really wrong.
Right, "what do you have on draft?". "Coors, Coors Light and Sierra Nevada." "I'll have a Coors.".
"A pint of Coors, please" has an implied "gu'vnor" at the end to my ear.
"Let's go out and have a couple of pints" is this close to referring to their friends as 'mates', and should quit it unless actually British.
I don't think I'd think twice about someone saying the first thing.
I've never seen milk come in a berry.
They're probably pretty ashamed.
I did get served hollowed, frozen strawberries filled sweetened condensed milk once.
71: But if you were referring to the style of glass, you wouldn't hesitate to call it a pint glass. As opposed to a frosty mug or whatever.
72: Well, that's because you're a member of the cosmopolitan Europhile coastal cultural elite.
Just so long as nothing is metric measures, it can't be too elitist.
I occasionally order beers at Lord Hobo that come by the liter or half liter. Fuckin' Germans, man.
A fluid ounce was originally defined as the volume of an ounce (weight) of water, and a pint was the volume of 16oz (a pound) of water. Some time after the battle of Yorktown the British government thought it wise to redefine a pint as 20oz, so the quart (2 pints, Halford) and gallon (8 pints) were increased along with it.
They've all been redefined in terms of metric equivalencies since.
"I'll have a Coors."
I think we might need to stage an intervention, friends.
Yeah, I tend to order a "pint" if they have the same beer on tap and in bottles. Just did it on Friday night, in fact.
Most of the bars I go to are punk bars, so there's a significant degree of Anglophilia right off the bat. Also, even, or especially, in the most grotesquely corporate sports bars, there's generally various measures for sale -- like those silly giant glasses or whatever. So "pint" is just one of the standard choices. There are one or two bars around here that will sell you a half pint of draft beer. That is pretty Anglophiliac.
Milk and beer, sold by the 20oz pint or fractions/multiples thereof are the only commodities that can be traded in non-metric measures in Britain these days.
Maybe around here it's vestigial Irish? The sort of not-beer-snobby bar that I think of as standard isn't a college bar, it either is now or was a couple of decades ago identifiably Irish-American.
63: Surely you mean a 1.75 liter bottle, a.k.a. a "handle".
83: Strangely enough, liquor and wine (and to a lesser extent soda) are pretty much the only things traded in metric measures in the U.S.
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"When I finally caught up with Abraham Trahearne, he was drinking beer with an alcoholic bulldog named Fireball Roberts in a ramshackle joint just outside of Sonoma, California, drinking the heart right out of a fine spring afternoon."
Way back when, I was trying to remember one of the few hard-boileds/detectives (I read hundreds in the 90s) that had impressed me to the point I might call it art or literature.
James Crumley, The Last Good Kiss
I don't recommend. Testosterone overdose warning. And weak on plot? Rather subverting narrative in mystery genre. Very 70s, like Dog Soldiers and Chinatown
(inadvertently recalled while looking up the out-of-print apparently long-forgotten Max Crawford and Waltz Across Texas)
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Is this on-topic now? Sovereign-citizen arguments have crossed the border.
I was at a restaurant last week where you could order different sizes of their wines by the glass, denoted in millileters on the menu. I ordered the 350 mL size, and then a minute later the waitress came back to check that she had the size right, but she asked me in ounces -- "You wanted the x-ounce size, right?" -- and I had no idea.
89: Yep. I'd have to think to get ounces but I'd know that 350 mL is just under half of a regular wine bottle.
84: Aha. I think I can get a half-pint of draft at the Starry Plough. It is the ladylike tipsy Irish choice.
89. Not surprised. "Do you want the 11.83 ounce glass?"
They'd probably just round to 12 ounces, which would hopefully be in a carafe, not a glass, for wine.
The Imperial Yard beer size has been much less impressive since the adoption of the metric system.
I always found it weird that in the US milk was apparently sold in gallon sizes, although I didn't then know they were smaller gallons. The only thing I've ever bought in gallons is petrol. And the only thing I know about a gill is that 1/4 gill is the standard pub measure in Ireland, and I think in Scotland, where England had 1/6. All metric now, here.
In my first proper job, in the early nineties, I had to internalise how to add up roods and perches.
An English shot is less than an ounce? Suddenly ordering a double seems much less extreme.
American cars always look so damn inefficient, until you remember they're measuring mileage it in 80% gallons.
Our gardens seem so large until you realize we have 80% roods.
Hmmm yes now I'm vaguely remembering a story from my grandfather about how he always needed to order doubles on business trips to the UK.
While we're on Anglophilia, am I correct that the Internet has led to broader adoption of Briticisms among the youth of today, or is that just my kids? Little things like 'ginger' for 'redhead', but a lot of little things. Or maybe it's all down to Harry Potter.
101 is definitely my impression.
I mean, when I was a kid, there were always the hardcore-nerdy (by which I mean, basically, me) Dr. Who/Monty Python/Douglas Adams fans who would try dropping the occasional Briticism, but it was selfconscious and pretty rare. Now it's all over the place.
My impression is 'ginger' became widespread thanks to South Park's malign influence.
"A pint of Coors, please" has an implied "gu'vnor" at the end to my ear
dsquared's work is done here
105, 106: It's not just 'ginger', though. I'll have to listen to my kids for a day or two to pull out examples, but there are a bunch of things they say naturally that sound UK to me.
103: knock the weevils off your biscuit?
101: ONe of our own was associated with the site that introduced "wanker" to the U.S. blogosphere, uh, singlehandedly.
Not involved with the actual introduction, though. That was all the other, funnier one.
110: Um, actually, that one did come up. Sally dropped it in a clearly UK-style-context, talking about something she'd been watching on Youtube, and I had to give her (a) the definition (that is, it had registered for her as a UK equivalent of 'jerk'), and (b) the tipoff that on this side of the Atlantic, it's nuclear and shouldn't be used in conversation at all.
Profanity is really annoying -- I swear a fair amount, and I can't actually carry off getting mad at them for swearing, so I end up putting a lot of effort into trying to make sure that they know what they're saying, and that they know not to swear in front of grownups they don't know to be comfortable with it.
No parent looks forward to the American nuclear cunt talk.
There should be a young adult picture book on the etymology of profanity, to make that job easier.
115 -- "Are you fucking there God? It's me, Margaret, you dick."
116: or the "Cunnicula" series.
"The Berenstain Bears Shove Your Stupid Fucking Face Up Your Asshole"
I know that a pint is two cups is 16 oz thanks to Weight Watchers thanks to (thread merge!) my otteral aspirations. I spend a lot of time now gazing at, say, a shell-shaped thingy of tofu green curry and trying to imagine my 2-cup measuring cup at home.
"Alexander and the No Good Totally Fucked Utter Shitshow Day"
I know there was just a children's book-title thread like a week ago. What of it? These have swearing!
it's nuclear and shouldn't be used in conversation at all
Is this true? I hear the female version of "he's a dick," either of which I would be comfortable saying with people I know or in a conversation where others have started in with "bullshit" or "fuck that" or the like.
The point of etiquette IME is being the first to swear in conversation with a given person.
Depends on the context, I guess? If I heard someone say 'cunt' without enough context to make it clear that they were appealing to the UK usage (or, I suppose, in a social context where a colloquialism for the referenced body part was appropriate), I would be literally shocked. People I talk to throw around 'fuck' and 'shit' fairly fluently, but I don't hear 'cunt' used as ordinary profanity pretty much ever.
I like the use on Archer of "What the shit?" which I don't think I'd heard in the wild but which deserves to become common.
I swear all the time but exclusively at work (and here) where it's almost expected. I'm totally paranoid about my kid being the first one in the preschool to say "fuck."
So which noun stands in for d1ck when talking about people who have say caused lasting damage to others for profit or out of spite who are also female?
I tried behaving myself in front of the kids for a while -- I'm not sure when I gave up, but it was clearly a while back. It's not just that they swear, but that they swear pretty much like I do.
125: I'd be much less surprised by 'bitch' than 'cunt'.
"Hobag" or "swizzletit.". "That swizzletit just fucked me out of a bonus payment!!!"
Ok I just made that up.
Oh and a terrorist fist bump to 118.
LB, I figure we've got about two more comments before we're shut out of this thread.
I too like "what the shit," and also generally have been infected by a zillion Archer-isms.
Is this true? I hear the female version of "he's a dick,"
Not in my circles, for sure. For rough "dick" equivalence, you get either "bitch" or, more rarely, "dick."
"She's a d1ck" returns 0.6 as many google hits as "he's a d1ck" so that's apparently the idiomatic answer.
Is there a way to peek at autocomplete suggestions that are not censored? "she's a fuc" will not autocomplete, and I wanted to see which nouns came after the adjective.
"bitch" is just not that strong-- someone unpleasantly thoughtless or compulsive who causes temporary problems gets this, the equivalent to me of assh0le for a guy, which I think of as definitely a weaker term than d1ck.
It's possible there just isn't a true gender-flipped equivalent: there isn't a word that cleanly matches 'bitch' in connotation for men. I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be a gendered-feminine profane insult parallel to 'dick', just that in the way I hear people talk in the circles I converse in, 'cunt' isn't it.
"What the shit" was in Superbad before Archer, so I think it probably has some wider existence.
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The gender-flipped equivalent is now "swizzletit." Halford has decided it. Also, googling it takes you here
I like the use on Archer of "What the shit?" which I don't think I'd heard in the wild but which deserves to become common.
Also, "Holy shitsnacks".
I've never felt comfortable with 'bitch' as an insult as opposed to a verb and have tended to use 'asshole' as a gender neutral equivalent.
140: Charlie on IASiP uses it a lot.
IASiP
I want to like that show, and usually do for about 15 minutes, but then I get a headache.
Spell it out? I don't get the abbreviation.
Internet Addicted Suffer in Parsing
146: and have tended to use 'asshole' as a gender neutral equivalent.
"Mary, what an asshole"?
Come on somebody tell LB now I feel bad.
"Heather Has Two (Many) Motherfuckers (To Deal With Today Jesus Fuck)"
It's Always Sunny in Philadellphia, Motherfuckers.
"The Very Hungry Twaterpillar"
"Charlie and the Giant Gaping Asshole"
I think you mean "James and the Giant..."
On the other hand, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory works fine as is.
"Mike Mulligan and His Shit Shovel"
161: Titles that work as is:
"The Cat in the Hat"
"Oh, the Places You'll Go"
"And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street"
"Honk the Moose"
"Mike Mulligan and his Steam Shovel"
164.last w/o seeing 163. Asshole Obviously.
Green Eggs and Sperm
The Bobbit
The Voyage of the Porn Treader
The Lyin' Bitch and the Wardrobe
Shitty Shitty Bang Bang. Which is almost certainly a porno.
Of course it is. SFW, honest. More or less.
Sticking with Roald Dahl:
The Big Fucking Giant.
The Bitches
Fantastic Mr Fucks
The Twats
He's a goldmine, really. As is:
The Magic Finger
Dirty Beasts
More w/o changes:
"The Giving Tree"
"Goodnight Moon"
"Fox in Socks"
"Where's Waldo?"
"Dick and Jane"
171: Shurely you mean Clitty Clitty Bang Bang?
The Vulvateen Rabbit (inspired by LB in 177).
The Wonderful Story of O
(should be on the other thread, I know)
Stormcrow-style: Five Children and It
Oh, whoops, I drifted from profane children's book titles to porn movie titles. Slightly but definitely different in tone.
Some un-retouched Ransome (my original thought was "Swallow Island", but no book actually named that):
Swallows and Amazons
Swallowdale
Peter Duck
Coot Club
Secret Water
Rudyard Kipling, with and without changes:
How the Camel Got His Hump
The Beginning of the Armadildos
The Crab That Played with the C-word
The Cat That Wanked by Himself
Encyclopedia Brown:
Gets His Man
Lends a Hand
Carries On
Sets the Pace
Takes the Cake
But I guess the double entendres are a perversion of the original concept of actual filthy words.
I ban myself.
Mrs. Frisby and the Secret of M.I.L.F.
No modifciation necessary to the title "Holes".
118 caused me to LOL, motherfucker.
I'm not even sure if I'm making any fucking jokes anymore. I'm just fucking swearing like some goddamned asswipe. Dongface Buttrubble!
The 13 Cocks
Also, "Hickory, Dickory, Cock".
"Harry Potter and the Bowl of Dicks"
Another vote here for "cunt" as pretty much nuclear.
"One Prick, Two Pricks, Black Prick, White Prick"
"Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cunts"
Really, this thread hit perfection with 118 although the other efforts are nice.
Of course it's this thread that brings Stormcrow out of hiding.
199 sounds like oragami porn I saw on the Stile Project.
196-197: don't worry, the half-life is long.
It's Oktober. We put aside our tarkards, and drink out of steins.
In a beergarden, I drank the whole yard.
LB, you are correct, I just saw an article on britishisms. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19670686
I'd suggest going to Language Log as one of the sources for that BBC article, Geoff Nunberg, takes issue with some of what's attributed to him.
I thought as much. Although I want to quibble with some of them: "Will do" isn't British -- I say that, and while I'm being affected, I'm not hearing British but out of date American. Same register as "Golly".
I call bullshit on a good portion of that article. "Do the washing up" is something my grandmother would have said, and it was poor rural Missouri speak, not a Britishism. "Sell-by date" is absolutely used for certain kinds of groceries in the U.S., like meat (especially that is cut and packaged in the store). "Keen on/to" is something my mom sometimes says, and it registers to me more as a remnant of the teenspeak of her era. And I agree with LB that "Will do" isn't British, but I don't hear it as affected either. Probably because my dad says it, and I picked it up from him.
I guess none of those examples necessarily mean that the rise in usage in the U.S. is not due to British influence. Meh.
202: Well, I also posted a stupid and pointless cock joke on some semi-moribund thread a couple of weeks ago.
In my role as an occasional lurker, I also had teed up an incisive but nuanced comment on the prevalence of the "deification of Robert E. Lee" and "noble Reb soldiers" parts of the Lost Cause myth as manifested in popular culture from Thurber's "If Grant Had Been Drinking at Appomattox"* to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"** but not really I thought it might drive that thread in an unfortunate direction.
*"Oh sure, sure," said Grant. He took another drink. "All right," he said. "Here we go." Slowly, sadly, he unbuckled his sword. Then he handed it to the astonished Lee. "There you are. General," said Grant. "We dam' near licked you. If I'd been feeling better we would of licked you."**Levon Helms:
Robbie and I worked on 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' up in Woodstock. I remember taking him to the library so he could research the history and geography of the era and make General Robert E. Lee come out with all due respect.
And from some other thread I forget which, I was gratified to see that it was the Jews plus a man with a diet evocative of the veldt who had disdain for landscapes lush with trees.
"Sell-by date" != "Expiry date", anyway. Expiry date is sometimes rendered "Use-by date" in British usage, but whatever you call it, it's later than the Sell-by, which defines when the shop wants to mark it down for quick sale, not when it becomes unusable.
LATE UPDATE relevant to the OP:
Daniel Kahneman thinks all this social priming business is probably hogwash.
Complete with hilariously self-serving comparison to climate denialism!