Re: Angry women sure are ugly!

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I think the joke is "why don't people who supposedly care so much about the sanctity of human sexuality (and the sacred sperm) go protest outside of porn theaters, instead of just abortion clinics?"


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:37 AM
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IOW, yes, you're being dense.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:37 AM
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Those women aren't feminazis, their catholic pro-lifers.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:38 AM
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*they're*


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:39 AM
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Oh. THREAD OVER!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:40 AM
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1) I immediately like the absurdity

2) It is an attempt at a gender reversal, and must be viewed in comparison to a group of male forced-birthers standing outside an abortion clinic berating a female client as she is leaving.

This is how "good for the goose" fits in.

3) The male patriarchal imaginary objectifies, degrades and oppresses women, but that is what imaginaries do. To whatever extent there can be "male desire" or "female desire" separable from "desire" or lack it will be oppressive.

4) Angry women are beautiful. I do my best to create a pretty planet.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:41 AM
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The class of 2016 has never heard of a porn theater.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 10:41 AM
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Huh, thanks for 1-3, because I was also perplexed.

People should just use more words to explain things.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:06 AM
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These people in the cartoon do not look like stereotypical cartoon right-wing women, they look like stereotypical cartoon left-wing women. If the cartoonist is supposed to be making the point that right-wingers are hypocrites, he's failing massively.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:07 AM
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He's not failing. You're just not very good at interpretation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:08 AM
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Yes. The cartoonist wasn't making things clear. I think there should be some middle-aged white men in there, also. A sweater-vest, maybe.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:10 AM
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10: One of the women is wearing birkenstocks.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:13 AM
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There is always one of the women wearing birkenstocks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:14 AM
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It really is a bad cartoon. Urple is obviously right about the interpretation, but the visual cues were off enough that I didn't figure it out in real time. And there's something screwy about the lack of cueing that it's a counterfactual -- with a caption saying "If prolifers were sincere", it'd make perfect sense, but in the absence of that it's hard to tell who the target is.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:16 AM
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Yeah, I took the women to be feminists who were giving [presumably anti-abortion] men a taste of their own medicine. I thought they were feminists because of the Birkenstocks.

I can't say I understand which joke the cartoon is telling.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:21 AM
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I had the Urple reaction but mostly because I immediately thought of the Monty Python song, "Every Sperm Is Sacred." Without that as a reference point I would have been much more confused.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:21 AM
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He is a liberal:

http://www.andysinger.com/sample3.html

His cartoons are a little off though


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:25 AM
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Part of the confusion arises because the situations the cartoon is comparing are not parallel. I am as pro-choice as they come, and yet I find a pretty clear distinction between the product of male masturbation and a fertilized and implanted egg.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:29 AM
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with a caption saying "If prolifers were sincere",

He's got the wrong counterfactual. He's thinking "If we did what they did" rather than "if they were sincere." But that ruins the whole joke, because we wouldn't do what they did, because we don't believe that moral status begins at conception or earlier.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:29 AM
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17: The problem with most of those cartoons is that they're not particularly funny.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:48 AM
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19:Well, umm, morality whatever.

But I do ponder the connection/disconnection between sexualities and fertility and commodity production/social reproduction. Shulamith Firestone, ya know? And Joyce/Freud/Huxley, who had some kind of intuitions about what the Brave New World of socially-controlled sexual liberation might look like.

6.3 was a lousy stab in the dark, and who knows what the cartoonist intended, but...


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 11:51 AM
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I believe mcmanus is correct in 6.2.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 2:05 PM
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This is probably the right thread to mention the depressing news that Poland's already very restrictive abortion law may get tightened further, going from no abortion except for rape, incest, serious birth defect, life of the mother, and high risk of permanent grave damage to the mother to life of the mother only. About a third of the ruling party voted for it. At the same time there was a proposition from a small radically anti-clerical party to legalize abortion up to 12 weeks. Less than five percent of the ruling party voted for it. On the Polish political spectrum the ruling party is considered to be moderately socially liberal. In the second round of a Polish presidential election you'd be choosing between them and a party well to the right of the Republicans on social issues.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-10-12 5:03 PM
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