Re: Life ain't easy for a storm named Sandy

1

It's windy. Also, rainy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:01 AM
horizontal rule
2

And sandy.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:08 AM
horizontal rule
3

Sandy! Come back! I didn't mean what I said! I can't do it without you, Sandy! We can make it if we try, you and me...


Posted by: Big Old Electoral College | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:10 AM
horizontal rule
4

Is Sandy a girl Sandy or a boy Sandy? Are they only giving hurricanes androgynous names now?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:13 AM
horizontal rule
5

If the eye passes over you, you can see its genitals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:14 AM
horizontal rule
6

4. Don't they alternate naming genders by years? If the previous hurricanes this year have been girls, I think she's another one; if boys, then it's a he.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:18 AM
horizontal rule
7

If the eye passes over you, you can see its genitals.

Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the storm. But Mama...That's where the fun is...


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:23 AM
horizontal rule
8

6: Girl. It was preceded by Rafael.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:23 AM
horizontal rule
9

And Sandy, the aurora is rising behind us
This pier lights our carnival life forever
Oh, love me tonight, for I may never see you again
Hey, Sandy girl
My, my, baby


Posted by: OPINIONATED BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN (about a boardwalk and its bldgs that will be gone by tomorrow) | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:24 AM
horizontal rule
10

6: well, each year has a list, and the list alternates boy-girl-boy-girl. So this year it started with Alberto and Beryl, and now we're at Rafael, Sandy, Tony, Valerie and William.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:33 AM
horizontal rule
11

In actual fact, the boardwalk has been shredded at least twice in my lifetime that I can remember (both by Nor'easters). Now, though, the boardwalk is covered with hipster bars and restaurants rather than factory girls who all promise to unsnap their jeans.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:35 AM
horizontal rule
12

So, that whole World Series thing didn't last as long as I expected.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:38 AM
horizontal rule
13

Sandy my darlin', you hurt me real bad
You know it's true
But baby you gotta believe me when I say
I'm helpless without you


Posted by: Danny Zuko | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:44 AM
horizontal rule
14

12: Am I a bad American for finding it a snooze?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:44 AM
horizontal rule
15

I didn't watch any of it, but now I can blame the sudden end.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:47 AM
horizontal rule
16

The corner of the park in front of my apartment is under water. The piers have got another two feet. High tide is in about an hour.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:50 AM
horizontal rule
17

Here in Maryland we're seeing steady, moderately hard but not torrential rain. No wind yet, but we'll see...


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:59 AM
horizontal rule
18

Electricity is already out at my mother's house. Whee!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:02 AM
horizontal rule
19

The sooner it goes out, the faster it comes back on.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:02 AM
horizontal rule
20

Like the jeans of the factory girls who used to work on the boardwalk.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:05 AM
horizontal rule
21

Last night I got a robocall saying "haha you still have to come to work chump" but this morning I got an email saying "stay home, enjoy this our last day on earth". My simulated dawn alarm clock was glowing and chirping, but outside the wind and sirens were howling. I'm so confused. I think I'll go see if the store still has some batteries.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:06 AM
horizontal rule
22

How do jeans go out?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:09 AM
horizontal rule
23

16: This evening's high tide is probably the one to really watch. This is the (relatively) dry run. Interactive NWS map showing % chance of surge greater than x feet where you can choose x.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:11 AM
horizontal rule
24

You know where is in trouble with a big storm surge? Fresh Salt -- it's on sixteenth century landfill a block from the water.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:12 AM
horizontal rule
25

16: the one tonight is supposed to be the bad one, right?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:12 AM
horizontal rule
26

It's only had four hundred years to settle.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:13 AM
horizontal rule
27

And when I say sixteenth, I mean seventeenth.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:13 AM
horizontal rule
28

It's been taunting nature with its name.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:14 AM
horizontal rule
29

Even a broken tide is high twice a day.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:14 AM
horizontal rule
30

27: I thought that was pretty ambitious for six Dutch guys and whatever natives didn't die of small pox.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:15 AM
horizontal rule
31

You know where is in trouble with a big storm surge? Fresh Salt

Meetup! Wear waders!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:15 AM
horizontal rule
32

22: Depends on their denimination.


Posted by: Awl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:15 AM
horizontal rule
33

24: sixteenth century? Is it Algonquian landfill?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:16 AM
horizontal rule
34

Pwneded.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:16 AM
horizontal rule
35

The tide is high but I'm holding on
I'm gonna be your number one
I'm not the kind of bar who gives up just like that


Posted by: Fresh Salt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:17 AM
horizontal rule
36

I am just a dreamer but you are just a dream.


Posted by: Opinionated རྗེ་བཙུན་མི་ལ་རས་པ | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:22 AM
horizontal rule
37

Dang. Battery Park under (a little) water and the big surge isn't for twelve hours.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:43 AM
horizontal rule
38

G'mrn! Here to cheer Gothamites

Possible Impacts on NYC

The water and electric and communications cables and connections are underground as well. Telephone punch downs and fiber terminations would all be exposed to salt water which would begin to corrode them. All of these would have to be replaced before they could be judged usable again. Though the cables themselves are usually packed with grease, the terminations themselves are exposed. And it would not take long for the salt water to corrode them. Even after the water is drained, the remaining salt and moisture - combined with air exposure - would damage these connection. The distribution transformers and high voltage connections and even cable would need to be replaced.

So Dr. Masters and others estimates of damage into the billions of dollars is likely on the mark. Not to mention the lengthy disruption this would cause. Possibly months.

And in comments, 26 nucular power plants in the path, all dependent on electric power, and spent fuel pod pools with no backups. Just saying, ya know, to be sure.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:43 AM
horizontal rule
39

I had an appointment this morning, but I'm on my way to work. I'm considered "essential," because we are supposed to have coverage 365 days a year. This totally makes sense for the 24-hour group homes, but it's less clear why the rest of us have to.

I'll probably leave early, since they are threatening to shut down the mbta this morning.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:44 AM
horizontal rule
40

Hey, bob, do you think we could solve our weather problems by nuking the hurricane?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:44 AM
horizontal rule
41

If we fail to nuke NJ we are immoral monsters.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:45 AM
horizontal rule
42

Wow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:46 AM
horizontal rule
43

Does it usually look like that?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:48 AM
horizontal rule
44

If the eye passes over you, you can see its genitals.

Long Island in '85 the eye passed over and I looked up and oh, she looked so good, oh she looked so fine.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:50 AM
horizontal rule
45

It was pouring cats and dogs here for a while, but it's let up a little bit, though the wind is still blowing pretty steadily.

My special is outside checking the rain barrel (which he has carefully positioned next to the most problematic gutter). The basement is a bit damp. Not much else to report at present.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:51 AM
horizontal rule
46

Twitter will be right at home here:

GrrlScientist ‏@GrrlScientist
ellis island partially submerged, governor island "looks like a naval base" cuz of all the water covering it
Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite
1:43 PM - 29 Oct 12 · Details


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:53 AM
horizontal rule
47

42 is nuts.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:53 AM
horizontal rule
48

40, 41: Don't distract him. He's building up to climax, and after he blows his load, he'll calm down and leave everyone alone.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:53 AM
horizontal rule
49

42: That's unfortunate. One of my Brooklyn friends just moved back to Red Hook -- a 1st floor apartment!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:55 AM
horizontal rule
50

44: SWLABR?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:59 AM
horizontal rule
51

And as somebody points out on the tweeter, the storm is still 300 miles offshore.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:59 AM
horizontal rule
52
"What we're seeing now is just the beginning of what we're going to be seeing worse, later," said David Stark, a meteorologist at the weather service office in Upton, N.Y.

At the Battery at the bottom of Manhattan, the water level was 8 and a half feet at Monday morning's high tide, considered moderate flooding. Tonight at the Battery, Mr. Stark said, "We may see water level of 10 or 12 feet which is a major flooding category."

Four feet higher than what was there seems pretty deep. What were the meetup options besides Fresh Salt Water that you guys were considering?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:01 AM
horizontal rule
53

40, 41: There are no stupid questions.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:07 AM
horizontal rule
54

Well all of you in NYC are doomed, nice knowing you, you may still have time to flee for your life.


Posted by: Asteele | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:08 AM
horizontal rule
55

Did everybody lose power?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:25 AM
horizontal rule
56

Did everybody lose power?

Only the Democrats.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:26 AM
horizontal rule
57

They're all gone, Moby. We have to dedicate the rest of our lives to their memory. That's what they would want.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:27 AM
horizontal rule
58

Nothing here so far. I'm sure we'll hear whining about how people should have been allowed to go to work.
MBTA shutting down at 2pm.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:28 AM
horizontal rule
59

I should really get cracking on this midterm in case we lose power at some point.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:30 AM
horizontal rule
60

I am at work!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:31 AM
horizontal rule
61

(My mother got power back. FEMA apparently called at 6am to tell her not to go outside today. 6am phone calls are always super reassuring. Also, it was probably not Federal, I am guessing.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:33 AM
horizontal rule
62

I left an interesting book on the history of attempts to control the weather in my office. I'm thinking about going to pick it up and spending the day reading it, because it seems appropriate.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:33 AM
horizontal rule
63

I am a stakhanovite. Give me my medal!

(I may be a complete idiot too. No one else from my office is here. They are all emailing like mad from home.)


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:34 AM
horizontal rule
64

Does anyone else remember Mikkos Casadine and his eeevil weather machine? No?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:35 AM
horizontal rule
65

md, take your medal and go home, or anyplace built solid on a high elevation. with your family.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:37 AM
horizontal rule
66

I am doing data analysis on a project for which I have an un-moveable deadline. Bonus: the analysis is pretty interesting.

Not such a bonus: I think I'm getting laryngitis. I hope we don't lose power (or heat).


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:37 AM
horizontal rule
67

62: Alarmingly specific book.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:38 AM
horizontal rule
68

My mother and my brother's gf are sitting in their pjs drinking mimosas. I've become so storm-focused that I feel like I am entitled some kind of exceptional nesting day? But of course I am not!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:39 AM
horizontal rule
69

64: No, but if you hum a few millibars, I'm sure I can fake it.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:40 AM
horizontal rule
70

49 First floor or 'garden' apartment? I was just thinking how much the latter would suck right now in a low lying area.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:41 AM
horizontal rule
71

I've become so storm-focused that I feel like I am entitled some kind of exceptional nesting day? But of course I am not!

I know, right? And I am totally behind on this paper and I CANNOT CONCENTRATE ON IT AT ALL. Gnash!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:42 AM
horizontal rule
72

The Philadelphia report: just raining, not excessive wind yet, no flooding in my region. With school cancelled and a fourth grader cooped up indoors, I felt it sensible to flee to my office. I'm the only one here. Commute much quicker than usual because of no traffic. If that big tree falls onto my driveway, one car will be safe.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:45 AM
horizontal rule
73

I am a stakhanovite. Give me my medal!

Do you live on a houseboat? If not, go home.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:45 AM
horizontal rule
74

I'm nesting!


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:48 AM
horizontal rule
75

I have so much work to do on a couple of papers and a group project but since work is closed today I got up late and made a big breakfast and now I don't feel so motivated - other than to watch the storm.

Because sometimes I can't tell, was 50 a serious question?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:48 AM
horizontal rule
76

68, 71: Me too, dudes. I *have* to grade like 16 more papers in the next few hours, and I *have* to write two conference papers in the next two days, and I *have* to prep for class and go to choir and blah blah blah. And yet.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:48 AM
horizontal rule
77

I'm also nesting at my parent's house out on LI. Don't move in to the new place till Friday.

Everything will be OK as long as I can keep them from talking electoral politics with me.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:49 AM
horizontal rule
78

I decided to force myself to stay home and do work by the inverted boat-burning strategy of not showing up for work even though the winds aren't going to reach over 20 mph until the afternoon. Therefore I need to actually get some work done on this manuscript to avoid being shamed and humiliated.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:51 AM
horizontal rule
79

I've got an old Army poncho and a pair of Wellies lying around somewhere. Who wants to sex Mutumbo meetup at Fresh Salt?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:53 AM
horizontal rule
80

Planning on swimming to Manhattan?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:56 AM
horizontal rule
81

This is still about 10 hrs out from the actual "bad" high tide.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:59 AM
horizontal rule
82

On the plus side, free boards.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:01 AM
horizontal rule
83

80 I think my brother still has his surfboard in the garage.

As long as my folks keep the radio on storm coverage and don't turn on Fox news I should be able to keep from going completely stir crazy.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:04 AM
horizontal rule
84

Latest Jeff Masters with a lot of links


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:06 AM
horizontal rule
85

Do you live on a houseboat? If not, go home.

No. Oddly enough my father does live aboard a boat that is at a marina in Boston Harbor. Last I checked, he was fairly sanguine about the storm. He had rigged some more lines and put out the BIG fenders.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:09 AM
horizontal rule
86

16th-c fill is not improbable. The Namu shellmound is more than 10,000 years old, and the Emeryville shellmound was built on in the 1800s.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:12 AM
horizontal rule
87

I've become so storm-focused that I feel like I am entitled some kind of exceptional nesting day? But of course I am not!

Me three!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:13 AM
horizontal rule
88

Does anyone else remember Mikkos Casadine and his eeevil weather machine? No?

Yes! (Awesomely, in later years, the characters would talk about it while winking at the camera.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:15 AM
horizontal rule
89

I'm trying to decide whether turning the heat up to make the house as warm as possible prior to anticipated loss of power is a completely stupid idea. (I'm cold.)

My other stupid idea this morning was to pre-grind coffee, because you know you can't use the electric coffee grinder without any power ... I was halfway through grinding up a second batch before it dawned on me that I won't be able to heat water anyway if the power goes out. Now I'm thinking maybe I should pre-make a pot of coffee.

The wind gusts are getting strong enough here that I'll be astonished if the power stays on.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:17 AM
horizontal rule
90

NYT webcam for the high level Manhattan view.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:19 AM
horizontal rule
91

89: A thermos full of coffee seems like a great standby in a storm.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:20 AM
horizontal rule
92

Fuck, lights just flickered.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:23 AM
horizontal rule
93

Fuck, lights just flickered.

Look on the bright side, it would preclude Fox.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:25 AM
horizontal rule
94

Alarmingly specific book.

I would love it if there were research into how to control the weather in my office. I certainly don't know how to do it, and apparently the Buildings and Maintenance guys don't either.

There's a thermostat on the wall, but I think it is just decorative.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:25 AM
horizontal rule
95

Hey Barry -- the Holland Tunnel is open til 2. Start walking to Fresh Salt! (No, please do not.)


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:27 AM
horizontal rule
96

89: If you use a radiator system, then yeah, crank those things up. They have inertia.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:27 AM
horizontal rule
97

The more timid local suburbs are moving trick or treating to Saturday. I guess many costumes aren't water resistant.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:28 AM
horizontal rule
98

@89

Aren't you in Baltimore? I'm near downtown and there doesn't seem to be much wind at all.

Also, I stocked up on Starbuck's instant iced coffee. Disgusting, but I won't be caffeine deprived.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:29 AM
horizontal rule
99

This is not quite how I envisioned spending this vacation.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:30 AM
horizontal rule
100

93 Yes! I like the way you think. Also it would give me an excuse not to get any work done.

OTOH, they have a radio with a large supply of batteries so that means Limbaugh, O'Reilly, John Batchelor and the rest of that ilk. And AM fuzz is already so annoying no matter the content.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:31 AM
horizontal rule
101

70: Not sure. We haven't been very close since he moved to NYC. "Garden" would definitely suck -- I know people here in MPLS who've been flooded out of their basement apartments during fairly minor thunderstorms.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:34 AM
horizontal rule
102

Alarmingly specific book.

Well, it's kind of short. The weather in my office is controlled by: windows and a thermostat.

While there I bumped into a hardworking Russian grad student who seems intent on pretending this is a completely ordinary day at work, despite being the only person in the building.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:35 AM
horizontal rule
103

98: I'm just north of the beltway, near Towson, so about 15 miles north of downtown. The wind is in the form of gusts, so it's calmish for 5 minutes (aside from rain), then a big blow, then calmish again. The trees probably make it look/feel more dramatic.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:36 AM
horizontal rule
104

99: Josh, where are you?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:36 AM
horizontal rule
105

Huh. Apparently a friend of another Brooklyn friend lives in the apt. from which the photo in 40 was taken.

It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to drain it!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:38 AM
horizontal rule
106

In related news, what an epic scale asshole this guy is.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:41 AM
horizontal rule
107

Wouldn't it be freaky if that quote swung the election for Obama? That would definitively settle the whole "Is Obama the anti-Christ?" question.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:58 AM
horizontal rule
108

That would definitively settle the whole "Is Obama the anti-Christ?" question.

Which way?



Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:00 AM
horizontal rule
109

The weather in my office is controlled by: windows and a thermostat.

You people at the fancy research schools get all the amenities.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:06 AM
horizontal rule
110

Apparently the HMS Bounty has been sunk. Two crew didn't make it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:07 AM
horizontal rule
111

Satan is the god of this world, that's what I always so.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:07 AM
horizontal rule
112

Maybe he's making a point about global warming, saying how if storms like this become too common we really won't be able to afford to deal with the damage, so we need to address carbon emissions now.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:08 AM
horizontal rule
113

'So' should be 'say' and the whole thing shouldn't have gone after a death report.


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:08 AM
horizontal rule
114

Is Sandy a girl Sandy or a boy Sandy?

WE'RE NOT SAYING


Posted by: Opinionated Hipster Provocateur Hurricane Parent | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:17 AM
horizontal rule
115

Hipster Provocateur Hurricane Parent, is this you?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:24 AM
horizontal rule
116

Heavy rain here in northern DE, and that's about it so far. Totes nesting.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:24 AM
horizontal rule
117

Only a little rain and some gusts of wind here in upper Manhattan, though it's been grey for three days.

Work's canceled and the MTA isn't running. Since I have no work ethic and have a marooned visitor, I can't muster much displeasure.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:33 AM
horizontal rule
118

I would like to point out that 114 is pwned by the OP title.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:35 AM
horizontal rule
119

Lights flickered again.

I'm feeling very judgmental about that parent in 115.

Also that water must be filthy gross.

110 The Bounty doesn't even rate. She had no business being anywhere near Sandy. (OK, maybe just feeling judgmental in general).

Wind seriously picking up.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:36 AM
horizontal rule
120

From my 10th floor perch in Crown Heights, I can say that the wind gusts are impressive and that it's raining (and leaking a bit into my bedroom) already.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:37 AM
horizontal rule
121

Sir Kraab, I can't remember if your old home town is the R-n one or the M-n one, but the R-n one is a-floodin' as we speak.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:37 AM
horizontal rule
122

Holy crap. Long Branch is already underwater. (Though half the photos out there seem to be fakes or recycled from past storms so who knows.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:38 AM
horizontal rule
123

118: I am just never quick enough for this blog.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:38 AM
horizontal rule
124

Well, I graded and uploaded some reading quizzes. That's work, I suppose.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:38 AM
horizontal rule
125

104: Bethesda. We were supposed to take the train to NYC tomorrow, but I got an e-mail earlier saying that it was canceled and there were no alternative routes. Not sure when we're going to get out of here at this point.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:38 AM
horizontal rule
126

121: We weren't fancy enough for the R-n one. Hope Bruce is ok, though.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:39 AM
horizontal rule
127

125: Yeah, I'd plan to settle in for a while.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:40 AM
horizontal rule
128

122: That's where brother #2's house is. Nnng.But it looks like maybe that house is on Ocean Ave.
126: He's in Colts Neck these days!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:40 AM
horizontal rule
129

Useful twitter feed of government offices, utilities, news stations, rather than B-list celebrities announcing their intention to pray for everyone to stay safe.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:43 AM
horizontal rule
130

128.2: Phew.

I'm also worried about R-d B-k.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:48 AM
horizontal rule
131

OMG YOU GUYS, look at this photo from SEPTA's Trenton station!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:01 AM
horizontal rule
132

I have mentally written off my family's Fire Island beach house. Sic transit, etc.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:05 AM
horizontal rule
133

I call 'shopped.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:06 AM
horizontal rule
134

132 Which community?

Hearing many sirens in the distance.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:08 AM
horizontal rule
135

130.2: Too many rivers and bays and inlets. Fucked!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:10 AM
horizontal rule
136

||
I know this is small potatoes right now but I really need to bitch somewhere that someone hung a sign outside my classroom cancelling [Dept Course #], of which I teach another section two hours later, so rumor spread that I cancelled class and fucking no one showed up. OK, three people showed up, and then another three came back to check and stayed but I am really really pissed off, and can't express that at anyone because it was a simple error on the part of the department assistant not to include the professor's name but JEEZ.
|>


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:11 AM
horizontal rule
137

133: You can tell by the pixels.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:14 AM
horizontal rule
138

Which community?

Point O' Woods


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:15 AM
horizontal rule
139

131,133,137: Why would someone fake something like that? What would be their motivation?


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:15 AM
horizontal rule
140

133: OHH YEAAHHH


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:16 AM
horizontal rule
141

131 was much-needed. Thank you.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:19 AM
horizontal rule
142

138 Oh nice. And too bad.

Wind is really picking up.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:19 AM
horizontal rule
143

139: It's just a side effect of the development of the cerebral cortex that occurred as an evolutionary response to an explosion of the Toba volcano.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:22 AM
horizontal rule
144

I like that people report that they've lost power on facebook. That is just the right kind of baffling.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:32 AM
horizontal rule
145

Your mom is just a side effect of the development of the cerebral cortex that occurred as an evolutionary response to an explosion of the Toba volcano.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:33 AM
horizontal rule
146

It sounded better in my head.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:33 AM
horizontal rule
147

144: Everyone has Star Trek tricorders now. Each one has its own little dilithium crystal inside.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:35 AM
horizontal rule
148

I'm already sick of seeing the photo of Marines guarding the Tomb of the Unknown in the rain that everyone is tweeting. "Gosh, what devotion. This is what makes America great!"

It turns out that the photo's not even current (though AFAIK they are standing out there). "Gosh, what empty symbolism. Imagine if they were doing something to help living people!"


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:38 AM
horizontal rule
149

144: I've got two monster UPS boxes and a few smaller ones around. If I lost mains power I could still connect to the internet via the cable or LTE for several days if I wanted to. I can't be the only one with too much electronic crap around.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:39 AM
horizontal rule
150

||

The NYT has changed "In a woman's ovary" to "in a woman's body." Saying "ovary" when you meant "body" is an even more reasonable mistake than "ovary" for "uterus," although "every fertilized egg in a woman's body" still leaves you with the image of little embryos scattered around your insides. "Ooh, look, there's one in my thigh!"

|>


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:40 AM
horizontal rule
151

150: They get dislodged when the uterus floats around.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:41 AM
horizontal rule
152

This storm ain't playin'.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:41 AM
horizontal rule
153

"Ooh, look, there's one in my thigh!"

Oh, hi, Zeus. Your pseud had me well baffled. Look after that kid, though, she's got a great future.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:44 AM
horizontal rule
154

If it weren't for that meddlesome EPA we could've taken care of Sandy with a few unlicensed particle accelerators.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:44 AM
horizontal rule
155

149: I have an emergency radio powered by hand-cranking that you can allegedly plug a phone into for a charge.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:49 AM
horizontal rule
156

Marines guarding the Tomb of the Unknown

Not Marines. 3rd US Infantry.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:53 AM
horizontal rule
157

Power actually went out here for about twenty seconds. Cable went out with it so I'd lose internet too.

Definitely hurricane force gusts out there now.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:54 AM
horizontal rule
158

156: So now you wanna bring facts into the conversation?

Duly noted.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:57 AM
horizontal rule
159

Say a fellow was looking for somewhere to take a vaguely indy/film/creative arts type girl (a NY resident) out to dinner in the general area south of 14th Street. Assuming that the floods recede, where would he go?


Posted by: Brendan Behan | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:58 AM
horizontal rule
160

157: Internet connection least likely to cut out during a storm: Dial-up. All those old people on AOL should be in good shape.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:01 AM
horizontal rule
161

157: Internet connection least likely to cut out during a storm: Dial-up.

What? Nuh uh. Why?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:03 AM
horizontal rule
162

161 POTS


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:04 AM
horizontal rule
163

Precisely.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:05 AM
horizontal rule
164

Telephone central offices have their own power, so even if the electricity is off, so as long as the telephone lines are up, so is dial-up. (And that's why I have not just a landline, but an old-fashioned, plug-in-the-wall phone in addition to a cordless.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:08 AM
horizontal rule
165

So? The kind that uses wires that run above ground and generally attach to houses at an exposed network interface?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:08 AM
horizontal rule
166

Ahh, I see. I should know this, but cell towers don't have any kind of UPS backup? That surprises me.

Do phone company COs still have basements full of big ol' lead acid batteries? I bet they do, don't they.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:09 AM
horizontal rule
167

125: Mussel Bar in Bethesda has a large selection of beers, if you feel like meeting up drunk-commenting


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:12 AM
horizontal rule
168

165 I know but when I was a kid growing up on LI while the power went out many times I don't recall the phone ever going out.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:13 AM
horizontal rule
169

Wouldn't the modem still have to be plugged into a power source though?

It suddenly got a lot colder here about an hour ago and the rain started to pick up. Any minute now I am going to finish an abstract so I can submit it ahead of the power going out. Any minute. Just after I look at a few more pictures of the ocean.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:13 AM
horizontal rule
170

Any minute now I am going to finish an abstract so I can submit it ahead of the power going out

Oh fuck, that's the fourth thing due soon I have to work on.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:15 AM
horizontal rule
171

I've been able to use a cell phone when the power was out.


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:15 AM
horizontal rule
172

Left work. It is breezy out there Walked to my car and one side of my clothes stayed dry.

I see TLL caught the Tomb Guards thing.

TJ: the weigh and pay, the CVS, and one of the snack stores were the only retail open at work.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:16 AM
horizontal rule
173

I read on Weather Underground that the storm is moving faster than had been expected and that it might make landfall earlier, like at around 4-5 pm. That would be very good news for the subway system--the earlier estimate had the storm reaching land AT high tide (around 9 pm).


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:16 AM
horizontal rule
174

In a stand-alone house, yes, mostly above ground between you and your neighborhood box, then underground to the C.O. In an apartment building, the line might be entirely underground, esp. in a city.

I'm not claiming all the phone lines are guaranteed to stay up, but it's very possible to lose power but not telephone -- it's certainly happened to me. (I don't think the fact that the NID is generally on the outside of the house means much; that's not the mostly likely thing to fail.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:16 AM
horizontal rule
175

My abstract? Awesome, let me know when you're done.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:16 AM
horizontal rule
176

174 to 166.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:16 AM
horizontal rule
177

175 to 170


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:17 AM
horizontal rule
178

Every hurricane photo on Twitter is wrong.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:17 AM
horizontal rule
179

And, yes, cell towers generally have back up, but your phone charge will last only so long.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:17 AM
horizontal rule
180

168: Was going to say the same thing about Miami, where losing power was roughly as remarkable as humidity in summer.

Actually, one of my really extraordinary HS experiences was an hours-long phone call with a girl* during a power outage. We still have one semi-primitive phone down in the basement for such exigencies, although we almost never lose power here (and don't use the phone much anyways).

* whom I was convinced to chat up at her job at the 1-hour photo** by my best friend, who lied by telling me she had earlier looked at me at the pizza place, as white a lie as ever was told

** well you see, kids...


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:20 AM
horizontal rule
181

175 Sorry, yours would be the fifth thing I have to do. (In addition to a lot of laundry and packing to move which means it's time for a nap).


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:23 AM
horizontal rule
182

174: yeah, gotcha.

169.1: not if you have one of those spiffy ancient laptops with a built-in modem; then you can run that off battery power.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:24 AM
horizontal rule
183

I see TLL caught the Tomb Guards thing.

For the record, if our enemies ever get to the Tomb with an armed force, I doubt those last 3 guys are going to be much help.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:24 AM
horizontal rule
184

I see TLL caught the Tomb Guards thing.

For the record, if our enemies ever get to the Tomb with an armed force, I doubt those last 3 guys are going to be much help.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:24 AM
horizontal rule
185

Wouldn't the modem still have to be plugged into a power source though?

Well, um, yeah. You got me there -- it's been so long since I've laid eyes on a dial-up modem that I sort of forgot about that point. (If you had an internal dial-up modem in a laptop, you could use it as long as the laptop battery lasted, but that only gets you a few hours.)

Still! You could talk on the phone like all day long.

Do TTY/TDDs use an external power source?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:25 AM
horizontal rule
186

The neighbor's house has some minor but distressing problems - a couple of downspouts are about to fall off. There are some tree limbs down in the back yard, but not on anything important. I brought in our portable jump-starting battery with its 12v outlet; I figure ten pounds of sealed lead-acid can run our phones for quite a while if necessary.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:25 AM
horizontal rule
187

The news about the Bounty replica is sad.

I do want to know why Bounty didn't duck in at Norfolk. But that's just armchair sailing.

FSM bless the Coasties. You have to go out. You don't have to come back.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:25 AM
horizontal rule
188

Wouldn't the modem still have to be plugged into a power source though?

I'd think so. Our inet is supplied by the same people as our landline and splits when it enters the house, so it's fairly robust*, but when we have a power cut the router goes down like any other device. A modem needs juice like anything else.

*Except when they did a major upgrade last Tuesday night and we had negligible comms until today


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:25 AM
horizontal rule
189

I just plugged in my portable jump-starting battery with its 12 volt outlet, but it doesn't seem to be working any more. I could charge my phone in the car, I suppose.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:26 AM
horizontal rule
190

Sifu pwned on 185.1.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:26 AM
horizontal rule
191

172: That isn't surprising. I was supposed to have a dental appointment, too.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:30 AM
horizontal rule
192

The Tomb Guards thing has now shown up on my Facebook feed. So fucking sanctimonious.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:31 AM
horizontal rule
193

Do TTY/TDDs use an external power source?

Mine does. I think it might also have a spot for batteries as backup, but (a) it's in a box somewhere because I only use webcams nowadays and (b) I am sure I don't have whatever type of batteries it would use.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:37 AM
horizontal rule
194

Odd, I'd have expected a report from LB by now.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:40 AM
horizontal rule
195

194 Was thinking the same thing.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:41 AM
horizontal rule
196

Good luck to everyone involved. The pictures from the Jersey Shore/Eastern Shore are appalling.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:42 AM
horizontal rule
197

LB's neighbourhood is about as safe from storm surge as it's possible to get.

Here the sustained winds are fairly mild; there are some fairly bad gusts but so far not any worse than you get a couple times a year.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:48 AM
horizontal rule
198

LB's general neighborhood is doing well. Windy and kinda rainy, but lots of businesses are open and life goes on.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:48 AM
horizontal rule
199

Nothing interesting to report. Home from work, and making pie. There was some dramatic flooding in a park downhill from me, but that soccer field is swampy all the time. Other than that, it's windy, but not even raining all that hard.

(The dumb thing is that I'm not home for the hurricane, this is a planned day off. I keep on failing to take enough vacation, and I have to burn the excess before I accumulate so much that they stop letting me accumulate. I figure I'd probably have stayed home on account of the no subways (biking to work in a hurricane? Probably a poor idea), but the weather here isn't such that it would have spontaneously occurred to me to stay home because of it.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:48 AM
horizontal rule
200

It is weird having a dog, though. Whatever the weather's like four or five hours from now, someone's going out for a couple of minutes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:50 AM
horizontal rule
201

One of our neighbors just lost part of her deck railing. Trim on the building across the street continues to flutter around in the wind. I think it might actually be the shitty brick-print contact paper they put on the wiring for the cell antennas attached to the roof. Point for Kraab!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:54 AM
horizontal rule
202

6000 without power here in Durham due to winds and we're way out of Sandy's firing line.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:55 AM
horizontal rule
203

Biking in a hurricane is pretty fun but not, like, practical.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:55 AM
horizontal rule
204

Yeah, tons of people with lost power in MA. 10,000 as of like 9:30 this morning, somehow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:56 AM
horizontal rule
205

What kind of pie?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:56 AM
horizontal rule
206

203: House might land on you? Or is that just in a tornado?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:56 AM
horizontal rule
207

50,000 without power in Mass., apparently. Good thing our power lines are made out of foil and canning wax.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:59 AM
horizontal rule
208

Concord grape. It's a little fussy to make, what with getting the seeds out, but it's delicious. More like blueberry pie than anything else, except grapier.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:00 PM
horizontal rule
209

167: Our hotel bar has Yuengling on tap, which I haven't had in years, so I'm good on the beer front. Plus, no car.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:01 PM
horizontal rule
210

I just saw a large, wooden roof-deck get blown off the top of a high-rise apartment building.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:02 PM
horizontal rule
211

156: Is it still the case that soldiers are not allowed the use of umbrellas? Lots of squelching at the Pentagon today, I'll bet.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:04 PM
horizontal rule
212

159: That's not my neighborhood enough anymore to have specific recommendations, but maybe just wander south on First or A and walk in the first place that looks appealing? The East Village is crawling with restaurants.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:04 PM
horizontal rule
213

Who uses an umbrella in a hurricane, other than Mary Poppins?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:05 PM
horizontal rule
214

(And that's why I have not just a landline, but an old-fashioned, plug-in-the-wall phone in addition to a cordless.)

Sir Kraab is my secret sister!


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:05 PM
horizontal rule
215

Mission Chinese is delicious, if you like blisteringly hot.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:07 PM
horizontal rule
216

213: Not the US Army!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:07 PM
horizontal rule
217

The abstract submission page includes this line:

Note: leave first name blank if you do not have one.

Huh.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:09 PM
horizontal rule
218

The Arts and Humanities office has a leaky ceiling, and we aren't even dealing with Sandy. I think this is all still the storm front that was coming the other way.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:10 PM
horizontal rule
219

Is a flight into Philadelphia on Friday going to be impacted by all this?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:11 PM
horizontal rule
220

215: If we actually make it to NYC, it would amuse me greatly to go there before I get a chance to eat at the original.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:12 PM
horizontal rule
221

217: Maybe you're competing against SpearIt?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:16 PM
horizontal rule
222

204 and 207: That's when I miss living in a part of the city with underground power lines. In DC in 2003 there was a big storm where power was out for several days, but Georgetown was unaffected.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:23 PM
horizontal rule
223

219: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:23 PM
horizontal rule
224

Half of a neighbor's large tree fell on other neighbor's newly renovated garage, shook our house in the process. Took out some phone and cable lines but power still on (so take that, 160.)
Went out to look at it and retrieve some tomatoes that blew off the vines.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:24 PM
horizontal rule
225

Fuck.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:26 PM
horizontal rule
226

We've got leaks, right here in !River City. Leaks with a capital L, and that rhymes with Hell, and that stands for Hooooooray homeownership.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:31 PM
horizontal rule
227

I can kind-of see the crane that snapped off at the construction site in midtown.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:33 PM
horizontal rule
228

225- I know, it sucks, the tomatoes were almost ripe, and in late October too!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:35 PM
horizontal rule
229

226: shutupshutupshutup (we're now awaiting the completion of a loan to join the benighted ranks of homeowners). The last thing I want to think about is leaks.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:36 PM
horizontal rule
230

Very windy and rainy here. So far (knock wood) the gutter-to-rain barrel-to-garden hose-to-storm-sewer jury-rigged setup seems to be working.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:36 PM
horizontal rule
231

I started making tzatzki the other night and then realized I didn't have cucumbers. So I made it with my green tomatoes instead. I used oregano and a little red onion and it made a DELICIOUS dip, even if not exactly tzatziki. Mmmmmmmm.

(I don't even want to think about the potentially expensive home repairs this could cause -- though my insurance agent has bombarded me with multiple e-mails AND a robo-call. Enough already! I get it! I should call you if I have to make a claim!)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:39 PM
horizontal rule
232

210 is genuinely alarming.

My MIL's umbrella was partially crushed when the wind blew over our (ineffectual) front porch dog gate. Oh, the humanity!


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:39 PM
horizontal rule
233

I should call you if I have to make a claim!

As opposed to some other method? What's going on there?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:46 PM
horizontal rule
234

Just went for a walk to get more Cheetos. Tons of trees/branches down around here, with crews out working on them.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:49 PM
horizontal rule
235

||
They released the full MIT Gangham video- I heard about them filming various bits of this over the last few weeks. Includes Eric Lander, and NOAM! with a funny bit. Actually pretty impressive.
|>


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:49 PM
horizontal rule
236

PSTN systems provide power down the wire, and the local exchanges have backup power for the zombie apocalypse (redundant feeds, banks of huge batteries, redundant generators).

Most DSL, fibre, and cable systems need local power; even though the optical terminal in something like Verizon FiOS is a passive device, whatever you plug into it needs power (so their ONTs have batteries in them).

Cell sites usually have about 8 hours' battery, unless they also have generators. Typically you have diesel power at the big macrocell sites where the RNCs are co-located. The theory is that the macros provide coverage (including for your official/blue light customers) and small cells provide capacity, and anyway there's no point in powering the cell sites if the backhaul network is down.

If you want to tweet or whatever, do it via SMS - the last thing a mobile network needs in a pinch is lots of short data sessions, as the setup and teardown of the data call is quite resource-hoggy.

But then, your top priority shouldn't really be tweeting LOLSandys...


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:50 PM
horizontal rule
237

I started making tzatzki the other night and then realized I didn't have cucumbers. So I made it with my green tomatoes instead. I used oregano and a little red onion and it made a DELICIOUS dip, even if not exactly tzatziki. Mmmmmmmm.

(I don't even want to think about the potentially expensive home repairs this could cause -- though my insurance agent has bombarded me with multiple e-mails AND a robo-call. Enough already! I get it! I should call you if I have to make a claim!)

This dip was so delicious that even your insurance agent was worried about people trampling your lawn and breaking down the door to get it?

(The juxtaposition of the paragraphs just amused me)


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:53 PM
horizontal rule
238

233: All I can figure out is that it's a marketing pitch ("See, we're here looking out for your in this scary time!"). Because I can't really imagine that anybody who thinks they may have a claim DOESN'T call their insurance company.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:53 PM
horizontal rule
239

Its low tide right now, but the water level on the East River appears to be at what I would normally describe as a particularly high tide.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:55 PM
horizontal rule
240

Dude, I filed a claim for the theft last year and this year they dropped my home insurance. I don't think I'd file another claim for less three or four thousand dollars.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:56 PM
horizontal rule
241

210: Spike, I hope you've got your windows taped and blocked with furniture or something. Flying roof decks are generally a bad sign.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 12:59 PM
horizontal rule
242

237: Yeah, I thought about that after I posted.

Lights just flickered here....


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:01 PM
horizontal rule
243

Spike, where are you?

And be careful.


Liked that Oppa Chomsky style bit.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:05 PM
horizontal rule
244

Someone* just e-mailed to ask me the mailing address of a public official. I'm going to sit on my hands and not answer for a while, because I'm overwhelmingly tempted to say Perhaps you should try the city's official phone directory.

*Who really, really should know better.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:08 PM
horizontal rule
245

159: If the requirement for below 14th is because she's one of those New Yorkers who says "I never go above 14th Street," my recommendation is take her to Burger King. Otherwise there are about a million restaurants and it depends on how much you want to spend and stuff.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:10 PM
horizontal rule
246

Mister Smearcase. Sullivan's Travels was on TMC yesterday. The dime dropped.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:13 PM
horizontal rule
247

Is there no Burger King above 14th Street?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:13 PM
horizontal rule
248

243: I'm in Long Island City, across from midtown.


Posted by: Sp|ke | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:16 PM
horizontal rule
249

234: Tweety, get the f*** inside, please.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:19 PM
horizontal rule
250

As opposed to some other method? What's going on there?

Consumers can now file insurance claims with mobile apps, Minivet. It's like you haven't even seen those annoying ads that were running during the baseball postseason!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:21 PM
horizontal rule
251

248: I'm about four miles on the other side of Midtown, in the Jersey Meadowlands, and the storm so far has been pleasingly boring. Knock wood.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:24 PM
horizontal rule
252

Who uses an umbrella in a hurricane, other than Mary Poppins?

Last year when the hurricane (or former hurricane at that point) hit DC in August, as I was leaving the Library of Congress* I saw a guy at a street corner open his umbrella, watch it turn inside out and break, and then angrily dump it in a trash bin.

I had an umbrella too and it was fine for keeping direct rain out of my face, but I was totally soaked by the end of the 20 minute walk back to where I was staying.

*which in a great bit of scheduling had no internet whatsoever that day because they were doing a major system overhaul so there was no way to get weather updates while I was doing research, though it was pretty clear when I checked in the morning that things would be fine where I was.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:32 PM
horizontal rule
253

I saw a guy at a street corner open his umbrella, watch it turn inside out and break, and then angrily dump it in a trash bin.

Trash bin probably wasn't big enough to dump himself in.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:36 PM
horizontal rule
254

229: You do want to hear about leaks just *before* closing and get the seller to knock a lump off the price. The Dwarf Lord and I managed this and it paid for a proper sump pump and a bit.

Which was, alas, installed by lunatics who believe more ellbends are better. Works so far though.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:38 PM
horizontal rule
255

The landline and internet went out here a couple of days ago when the connection broke right where the line comes into the house. Probably the result of the Santa Ana winds, though there was apparently so much tension in the way the lines had been installed that it could have just been a gradual pulling apart.

I can't complain too much - when there's no major fires, the Santa Ana winds are pretty pleasant.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:41 PM
horizontal rule
256

I wonder if LB's pie is going to take longer than usual to bake.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:43 PM
horizontal rule
257

256: IYKWIMAITYD


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:44 PM
horizontal rule
258

I love the absurdity of TV news during something like this. "Let's go to Al Roker who is currently barely alive because we're making him stand in the fucking ocean." "Now let's talk to a random person in the street about how wet they are."


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:45 PM
horizontal rule
259

Oh, and I've definitely had a working wired internet connection during a power failure. For the fifteen minutes until the battery the modem was connected to died.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:46 PM
horizontal rule
260

Tweety, don't listen to 249. Climb a tree, shake your fist at the sky, and shout, "Here I am, motherfuckers! Give it your best shot!"


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:47 PM
horizontal rule
261

Holding a one-iron over your head.


Posted by: Lee Trevino | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:48 PM
horizontal rule
262

Now they're saying the DC Metro will be shut down through Tuesday.


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:48 PM
horizontal rule
263

Somewhere around here I have a couple of battery-powered modems used in early modem-less laptops while traveling. Laptops don't come with serial ports now tho'. Or do they?


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:49 PM
horizontal rule
264

Philadelphia follow up: The roof of my office is leaking. Time to go home.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:51 PM
horizontal rule
265

258: It's all footnotes to Dan Rather (Carla/Galveston/1961).

"I wonder if you could explain this business about the eye of the hurricane," Rather asked, knowing that people watching on television had never before seen such a thing. (He pronounced it not "HER-uh-cane" but "HER-uh-cun.")
Government officials were wary of showing radar pictures on television, especially superimposed over a map of the coastline that emphasized the mammoth storm's size. But Rather helped persuade them it would save lives.
...
It also propelled Rather into the national eye, catching the attention of Walter Cronkite, who's reputed to recommend CBS News hire his fellow Houston reporter who was "up to his ass in water moccasins."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:52 PM
horizontal rule
266

265: I vaguely remember that. Fuck, I'm like some geezer talking about being a kid in the background of a Babe Ruth newsreel. Or "That's me at the Armistice Day Parade. They let us out of school.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 1:56 PM
horizontal rule
267

The link in 265 is fascinating. I had no idea.

Wind definitely up here. Rain still coming down hard.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:01 PM
horizontal rule
268

Nearly 6 hours since the last mcmanus post. I'm getting concerned about his refractory period.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:01 PM
horizontal rule
269

You'd think he'd at least respond to 222 with more chortling about rusting and corrosion of underground wires.


Posted by: Crytic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:03 PM
horizontal rule
270

I kind of miss the old paint-speckled red rotary phone my dad used to have hooked up to a modem for working at home.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:06 PM
horizontal rule
271

|| The Nate Silver Twitter War is worth a chuckle or two.|>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:07 PM
horizontal rule
272

254: don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want toe find out about *actual* leaks *after* closing. I just don't want to think too much about the *potential* ruin that *future* leaks could wreak.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:09 PM
horizontal rule
273

This head of emergency services in Atlantic City is kind of wonderful, in a Jersey sort of way:

"The city is under siege," said Thomas Foley, the chief of emergency services. "Sandy is pretty furious at Atlantic City. She must have lost a bet or something. As we say in our slogan, 'Do A.C.' She's doing A.C., all right."


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:11 PM
horizontal rule
274

271: One of my favorite's so far from David Roberts: "Pundits are saying if Nate Silver's projection is wrong, he'll be discredited. POLITICAL PUNDITS are saying this. With no irony."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:11 PM
horizontal rule
275

274: Definitional chutzpah, there.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:14 PM
horizontal rule
276

274 -- Right. It's even worse than that. They're saying that because he's giving Romney a 26% chance, if Romney wins he'll be discredited. That's not even "if Nate Silver's projection is wrong."


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:16 PM
horizontal rule
277

276: Also amusing is the scorn with which that ultimate panicky innumerate, Andrew Sullivan, is treating his critics.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
278

Yeah, the innumeracy on display is incredible. I also love how some people are accusing him of just looking at other people's polls and then making predictions from that. Yeah, pretty much!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
279

271, 274: the thing I love about that is if they'll just wait a week they'll have the actual results in hand. But no, a decision on Silver's model must be rendered RIGHT NOW.


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
280

279 -- Well, yeah, because the result is going to driven by intensity. Also because they're trying to sell soap.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
281

Sully's latest about Mormons is fucking annoying.

The trouble is, theologically speaking, and with all due respect for the sincerity of Romney's faith, we are not all children of Romney's version of God. The Christian Trinity is not the Mormon Godhead. Many evangelicals understand this. But despite their fervent belief that religion should be indistinguishable from politics, most will ignore it. And that is why they will vote for Romney not as Christians as such, but as Christianists, willing to overlook the bizarre theology of Mormonism in order to promote the policies most fundamentalists of all types favor: re-criminalizing abortion, stripping gay people of the rights heterosexuals have, and a new war to protect Israel.

So Sully wants people to vote their religion? OK, their religion as he defines it for them?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
282

"Pundits are saying if Nate Silver's projection is wrong, he'll be discredited. POLITICAL PUNDITS are saying this. With no irony."

I read part of Silver's book the other day. At one point he discusses tabulating all the predictions on some pundity TV show and finding that almost exactly half of them were wrong.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:26 PM
horizontal rule
283

the bizarre theology of Mormonism

As opposed to the totally normal theology of mainstream Christianity?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:28 PM
horizontal rule
284

276: ,i>They're saying that because he's giving Romney a 26% chance, if Romney wins he'll be discredited. That's not even "if Nate Silver's projection is wrong."

Actually, I think they might understand probability quite well*. They see a 26% chance that they can gloat that Silver was "wrong" safe in their knowledge that they themselves will face no such accounting for anything they have ever said or written. Pretty good odds.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:30 PM
horizontal rule
285

246: Oh, yay! Only one person has ever gotten it immediately, that being our own K-sky. It's just a little throwaway reference that I was charmed by long ago.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:31 PM
horizontal rule
286

283. Yup.

I should have done a shorter: Sully is annoying.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:31 PM
horizontal rule
287

...bizarre theology...

There is non-bizarre theology? Cut skin off dicks? Chop off labia? Ritual scarification? Blood & flesh? Rise from tombs? I really do not see how Mormons are nuttier then the rest no matter what they believe.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:31 PM
horizontal rule
288

There are no formatting errors or extraneous asterisks in 284.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:32 PM
horizontal rule
289

These are not the droids we're looking for.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:33 PM
horizontal rule
290

With certain rare exceptions.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:36 PM
horizontal rule
291

285. It is a great scene. Lake does her part very well there. Lake is more interesting in this flick (especially the gamine parts) than her usual roles.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:37 PM
horizontal rule
292

Christie just said on CNN that the mayor of Atlantic City told people not to evacuate. Is this true? Why?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:39 PM
horizontal rule
293

People on Facebook are saying the mail got through today. Yay USPS.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:42 PM
horizontal rule
294

My power went out for 30 seconds. I'm so happy that it came back on.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:47 PM
horizontal rule
295

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

Budget cuts will do the trick nicely.


Posted by: Cliff Claven | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
296

So this is worrisome. 8.64 feet at 5:18.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
297

287: Sorry. I'm majorly cranky this time of year.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
298

The NYT webcam is getting some nice spooky views right now, as the lights come on.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 2:55 PM
horizontal rule
299

Huh, the latest news says that Sandy is "just off the Jersey shore" but from Weather Underground's satellite it looks like the system is right on top of us in the Wash/Baltimore area.

Hopefully if we can make through the next ~8 hours without losing power we'll be out of danger.

Not so much for you folks up North, unfortunately.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:01 PM
horizontal rule
300

296: Yeah, high tide at The Battery at 8:53 PM. And although it is making landfall earlier than first predicted (basically right now) that puts NY Harbor directly in NE Quad with winds piling the water in from the SE.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:03 PM
horizontal rule
301

Wind speeds here are more or less at their peak and are supposed to start dropping soon, if I understand correctly.

What looks bad to me is the storm surge, especially in the NYC area, at high tide tonight. There are going to be a few more feet of water depth before it peaks.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:06 PM
horizontal rule
302

299: Given how it is interacting with the prior low, the rain field is more asymmetrical than usual.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:07 PM
horizontal rule
303

297: I mean, it probably is all bizarre, and I'm a Christian. I will say that I *personally* find a lot of stuff in Christianity --even as metaphor --quite beautiful, but I'm creeped out by a lot of the Mormon stuff. It's not entirely rational, but I don't like the bits about people becoming god and the way heaven is portrayed as a reunion with the nuclear family. Maybe in a couple of centuries there will be a Mormon strain that I like.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:07 PM
horizontal rule
304

Many Mormons find a lot of the Mormon stuff quite beautiful, often as metaphor, and are creeped out by orthodox Christian stuff like transsubstantiation, original sin, and salvation as merger-with-God. It's often a question of what you're raised with.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:12 PM
horizontal rule
305

303: I think the bit about it being personal prejudice should have been included. Of course, that's so.

A lot of Christians don't care --or believe in-- transubstantiation or see it in purely metaphorical terms.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:16 PM
horizontal rule
306

Ditto to 304. I was appalled by the idea of original sin as a kid.

Anyway, who has an idea of what the back half of Sandy is supposed to look like? Is it more of the same high winds and rain until it dies out, or does it change somehow once it gets on land?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:17 PM
horizontal rule
307

Many orthodox Christians are creeped out by transsubstantiation and salvation-as-merger-with-God.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:17 PM
horizontal rule
308

I was appalled by the idea of original sin as a kid. Sort of along the lines of "mutually assured destruction," I couldn't believe that adults actually believed in it. Still can't.

Winds getting very strong here.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:22 PM
horizontal rule
309

creeped out by orthodox Christian stuff

They told me to keep the Latin, but did I listen?


Posted by: Pope Paul VI | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:23 PM
horizontal rule
310

Absolute depravity, I must say, is about the only bit of Calvinism I really really believe in.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:26 PM
horizontal rule
311

Power out. Turns out you can keep a network running on one of those car battery chargers plus a power inverter. Probably not the best use of limited electricity though. Have a fun storm, gang!


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:29 PM
horizontal rule
312

Stay safe, pf!


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:30 PM
horizontal rule
313

294: we've now had three brief outages, two more or less back to back around 4 and another about half an hour ago. There's been an extended outage in the apartment complex just east of us. I think our outages have been the result of them trying to get the apartment complex back online and them switching us back when that failed.


Posted by: jim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:30 PM
horizontal rule
314

306.last: Less rain.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:35 PM
horizontal rule
315

291: Unfortunately, it was the first Veronica Lake flick I ever saw, so I assumed she was always that wonderful. As you note, she's not. I have watched several others in which she is an extremely pretty cipher.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:36 PM
horizontal rule
316

We haven't yet had any outages.
Flickers possibly. Getting windy.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:37 PM
horizontal rule
317

Power out at my mom's. My brother brought a zillion lanterns and everybody their own headlamp, so it's festive there if nothing else.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:40 PM
horizontal rule
318

For a couple hours now I've been at the point where I'm thoroughly tired of reading storm-related things and yet I just keep refreshing the same set of webpages instead of doing something more interesting.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:41 PM
horizontal rule
319

Looking at the FAA's airport status site is odd. The major airports in the Northeast are all listed as open. That is technically correct. Controllers are on duty. But there are no flights. I did see that the Atlantic City airport is closed until 0200. I guess they evacuated the tower.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:41 PM
horizontal rule
320

317: Headlamps? Awesome.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:42 PM
horizontal rule
321

Don't people use candles anymore?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:44 PM
horizontal rule
322

Some power flickers here in Arlington VA.

My dad, on his boat in Boston Harbor, says that he has had to unlock the gimbals on the stove to make supper. He has never had to do that in a marina.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:44 PM
horizontal rule
323

318: I got tired of reading the same storm-related things and then remembered that I have about 300 pages of reading to do for tomorrow. I miss reading the same storm-related things.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:44 PM
horizontal rule
324

Don't people use candles anymore?

It hurts when the burning wax drips on your forehead.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:45 PM
horizontal rule
325

Humphry Davy for the win!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:46 PM
horizontal rule
326

Shoulda signed 324 OPINIONATED LUCIA.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:47 PM
horizontal rule
327

Hence the expression "festive as a coal mine."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:49 PM
horizontal rule
328

"Like a canary in a hurricane."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:50 PM
horizontal rule
329

I'm taking my 15-year-old to go see Aesop Rock at Cat's Cradle tonight. Nobody get swept out to sea while we're getting down, boyeee.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:52 PM
horizontal rule
330

Holy fuck, your kid is already 15?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:54 PM
horizontal rule
331

And it seems like she was born only a few years ago.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:55 PM
horizontal rule
332

As far as Brooks and Nate Silver, it should be obvious that the groundwork is being laid for the theft of the election.

I seriously doubt it, but I hope this time time Silver has the confidence in his data, models, work to come out next Wednesday and publicly say "This election was stolen!"

Ruy Teixera and I think Charlie Crist (?) folded like accordions in 2004.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:56 PM
horizontal rule
333

The she-kid is 5 and got Michael Franti live a couple weeks ago. But believe me, urple: it's twice as weird to me as it is to you.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 3:58 PM
horizontal rule
334

The wind just kicked up to remarkable sounding here.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:01 PM
horizontal rule
335

159: "Lyon - Bouchon Moderne", Greenwich Ave at 13th St., if you like hearty French bistro style.



Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:03 PM
horizontal rule
336

I think Charlie Crist

The governor of Florida?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:03 PM
horizontal rule
337

334: It seemed like a fairly ordinary bob comment to me.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:04 PM
horizontal rule
338

334: did the pie take extra long to bake?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:04 PM
horizontal rule
339

Cook, I bet.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:05 PM
horizontal rule
340

339 -> 336.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:06 PM
horizontal rule
341

In my experience, hurricanes really do sound like freight trains. After a few hours, it's maddening.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:07 PM
horizontal rule
342

Around the corner from Fresh Salt, South Street is under water. Fuck.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:08 PM
horizontal rule
343

341 was to 334.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:10 PM
horizontal rule
344

Sure like that TPM Senate map: http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/scoreboard/senate


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:10 PM
horizontal rule
345

344: do you happen to know what happened in WI? When last I looked, Baldwin was up by seven or eights points.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:12 PM
horizontal rule
346

339:Right

But hey, sciency types, you will be willing to your faith in Silver all the way from Wednesday to the Certification in Congress, won't you? If Romney wins, he cheated = fact?

Silver will need a ton of backup


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:12 PM
horizontal rule
347

Stay safe, New Yorkers. If you're not the type for water, don't chance it.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:12 PM
horizontal rule
348

334: Hmm, it just went extra-tropical (but just a tad weaker). I guess the actual center of circulation still a bot offshore (it is getting hard to pinpont it).

Update my 314 to "Less rain, but more wind for a while."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:13 PM
horizontal rule
349

347: Non-water types shouldn't chance what? Swimming the East River? If you're the Wicked Witch you might melt if you go out?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:16 PM
horizontal rule
350

There's a pie in the pool!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:16 PM
horizontal rule
351

Katrina was the first time after the 2000 election that I turned on cable news. Well, I think I'm ready to dip my toe back in the water. Wish me luck. If I'm not back in a few hours, I'm probably trapped in Wolf Blitzer's beard.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:16 PM
horizontal rule
352

345 -- I don't know. It's probably turnout models, or some other intensity thing.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:16 PM
horizontal rule
353

Otters, respect them.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:17 PM
horizontal rule
354

Otters swim through Wolf Blitzer's beard without hindrance.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:19 PM
horizontal rule
355

Wow, the wind is REALLY strong.

(And by "really strong" I mean "by Philadelphia standards," not New Orleans.)


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:19 PM
horizontal rule
356

I got tired of waiting for the power to go out, and refreshing the same storm pages at home, so now I'm doing it at the bar.


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:20 PM
horizontal rule
357

The wind has been pretty bad here for the past two hours or so and little pieces of something keep hitting my windows. Not sure about the freight train thing, it's too irregular. (Do they sound any different from passenger trains?)


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:20 PM
horizontal rule
358

TWC with captioning and sound off. No way cable news channels. No way in hell.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:23 PM
horizontal rule
359

salvation as merger-with-God

Did I sleep through some of CCD? This does not sound like an accurate description to me. Maybe I'm being over-influenced by pop-culture depictions of heaven, but I paid attention when I was Catholic, and this is ringing no bells.

Transsubstantiation, obviously, is optional for non-Mormon Christians.

Anyway, I don't see what's so obviously stupid about what Sullivan wrote. He's basically saying, "For 200 years, we've all agreed that those guys are out of the club. Now all the sudden they're in, just so you can vote for one of them?" I mean, that's acknowledging a certain shitty deal, but it's hardly dependent on precisely whose theology is more freaky. If German-Americans suddenly, en masse, decided that parliamentarianism was the way to go, wouldn't that elicit a giant WTF from the rest of us (you)?

I suppose that's an analogy, but I don't care. Analogy bans matter not in the face of Frankenstorm.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:23 PM
horizontal rule
360

356 shows great wisdom.

The bad news is that school is cancelled tomorrow and so my MIL will surely invite herself to stay over tonight (she lives less than 1 mile away, no intervening creeks).

The good news is that this is probably means that I can talk AB into a late night, windy dog walk, which could be fun.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:26 PM
horizontal rule
361

Well, the power can back after 50 minutes, and just afterward, I heard a loud sound. Then the police came. Two doors down there is a power pole leaning ominously. But my power isn't even flickering.

And someone just yelled Oh! Oh! Oh!

Meanwhile, my kids are playing a board game they started during the outage.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:26 PM
horizontal rule
362

11.62 feet at the Battery. This might be bad; high tide isn't for more than an hour, I think.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:26 PM
horizontal rule
363

345

344: do you happen to know what happened in WI? When last I looked, Baldwin was up by seven or eights points.

Silver has Baldwin up by 2.8 with an 83% chance of winning.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:27 PM
horizontal rule
364

362: they're talking about that very thing on CNN right now, Bave. You should tune in, even though you just missed two awesome commercials: the first about how China is drinking America's milkshake because of the national debt, and the second for an American gun manufacturer. I feel like a columnist riding in a cab on my way to the buffet at Applebee's.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:32 PM
horizontal rule
365

Sometimes I don't like the fact that there's a transformer on a power pole right outside our apartment.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:33 PM
horizontal rule
366

a late night, windy dog walk

Maybe a different type of food would help?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:33 PM
horizontal rule
367

363: Silver is a falsetto-voiced faggot and a probably a Jew. I prefer real American pollsters like John Zogby.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:33 PM
horizontal rule
368

365: if it's Optimus Prime, I'd be pretty reassured.

(We are banging up against the limits of my Transformers knowledge.)


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:35 PM
horizontal rule
369

Christ, this is fucked. Fucking storm surge went exactly the wrong place. I have to turn this off.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:36 PM
horizontal rule
370

Weather Channel guy having to pack up and leave Battery Park before it gets another 2+ feet of storm surge.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:37 PM
horizontal rule
371

Whoa, the gun commercial is on MSNBC now.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:42 PM
horizontal rule
372

It's following you!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:47 PM
horizontal rule
373

I'm watching Phineas and Ferb on Netflix now. It will never find me!


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:48 PM
horizontal rule
374

372: It's coming from *inside* the computer.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:48 PM
horizontal rule
375

If German-Americans suddenly, en masse, decided that parliamentarianism was the way to go

What?

Good luck to everyone. Terrifying.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:49 PM
horizontal rule
376

364: We do not so much have CNN here. Are they talking about it on CSPAN or that shopping channel? Actually I guess there's NY1.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:53 PM
horizontal rule
377

11.62 feet at the Battery. This might be bad; high tide isn't for more than an hour, I think.

Last I saw the Stony Brook site was predicting a maximum of 4 meters (13 feet) at about 10 PM, and the actual numbers were consistently a foot or so higher than their prediction. (They were also changing their prediction over the course of the day, I think, which I don't really understand?) Now their website is down.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:55 PM
horizontal rule
378

Sullivan is just freaking because he was sure that the evangelicals would never vote for a Mormon. Well guess what, Andy, you were wrong. Turns out Jeebus isn't the only thing those folks care about.

Betting on bigotry might seem like the default position in 'Murca, but I wouldn't be too sure.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:57 PM
horizontal rule
379

If its wrong to be drinking a manhattan right now, I am wrong.


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:59 PM
horizontal rule
380

376: you can stream the weather channel on wunderground's Sandy page.

I am selfishly hoping for a check-in from Spike.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 4:59 PM
horizontal rule
381

379: a thoughtful gesture.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:00 PM
horizontal rule
382

From experience: If you are subject to evacuation or any other emergency activity resist the urge to get drunk. Your mom asked me to tell you that.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:02 PM
horizontal rule
383

I think Candace is finally going to bust them this time.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:03 PM
horizontal rule
384

We've got water in the street here, and I expect it will rise another foot or two. That may or may not be enough to flood my kid's school.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:06 PM
horizontal rule
385

Maine is too far north for evacuations, and I live on a high point, on the seventh floor.


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:07 PM
horizontal rule
386

377: Yeah, that Stony Brook site was freaky. And now it's down, which is obviously preparing us for a stolen election.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:10 PM
horizontal rule
387

So parts of NYC will be fresh and clean, and other parts will have East River or NYH gunk all over them. Ew.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:10 PM
horizontal rule
388

378 -- Or maybe anti-Mormon bigotry isn't the only kind.

BS in WI: http://missoulian.com/news/local/schweitzer-campaigns-for-obama-in-wisconsin/article_8a7d0d78-220d-11e2-988b-001a4bcf887a.html


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:11 PM
horizontal rule
389

So, uh, holy crap.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:11 PM
horizontal rule
390

388.1 -- Although I think beating the goddam hippies (and the communists, but I repeat myself) trumps absolutely everything else.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:12 PM
horizontal rule
391

Power just flickered. Hoping it doesn't go. THe damn building is occasionally shaking with the stronger gusts.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:14 PM
horizontal rule
392

1st Avenue, I think? And another one from Stuyvesant town.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:15 PM
horizontal rule
393

We appear to be in the fresh and clean camp so far. The boy and I are hunkered down appropriately on the UWS. He is sleeping in a tent in the living room tonight. Not for any storm-related reason, other than I'm trying to keep things interesting during our extended captivity.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:15 PM
horizontal rule
394

Or maybe anti-Mormon bigotry isn't the only kind.

Of course, but I think Sully had opined that the evangelicals would stay home rather than vote for the Mormon. I don't read him anymore after his morbid fascination with the ex Governor of Alaska and her amazing uterus.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:16 PM
horizontal rule
395

Power has been flickering here a bit. Holy crap to 389 -- it looks unreal.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:16 PM
horizontal rule
396

389: jesus.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:17 PM
horizontal rule
397

And in other news, the confusion what to do about the governor candidate who accepted a big contribution during a brief period between when limits were stricken and reinstated continues. http://missoulian.com/news/local/hill-campaign-cancels-ads-polling-travel-in-wake-of-judge/article_6ee56406-21fa-11e2-989f-001a4bcf887a.html


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:18 PM
horizontal rule
398

389: I realize there are bigger issues, but people in the Northeast should remember than the next several weeks are not a good time to buy a used car.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:19 PM
horizontal rule
399

13.2 feet at the Battery.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:19 PM
horizontal rule
400

For completeness, DUMBO an hour and change ago.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:22 PM
horizontal rule
401

385: There's seventh floors in Maine? (Kidding! I'm on a first floor in Portland, and I think I can see one from here)


Posted by: Counterfly | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:25 PM
horizontal rule
402

My DSL has been flickering some too.

389 I wonder how all those people deciding to stick it out in low apartments in Red Hook are doing.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:25 PM
horizontal rule
403

402.last: indeed.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:27 PM
horizontal rule
404

386 And now it's down, which is obviously preparing us for a stolen election.

I think I need Standpipe's blog here.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:29 PM
horizontal rule
405

I'm also in Portland, I think we have 2 7+ story residential buildings. If you're looking towards Longfellow square, wave.


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:30 PM
horizontal rule
406

I'm also in Portland, I think we have 2 7+ story residential buildings. If you're looking towards Longfellow square, wave.


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:30 PM
horizontal rule
407

404: there better not be MATH or STATS on standpipe's blog. That wizard.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:31 PM
horizontal rule
408

I'm not saying everything needs to be focused on the storm, but it would seem to be about time for the NY Times to remove "Room for Debate: Monsters vs. Sexy Nurses" from its front page.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:32 PM
horizontal rule
409

402.last: Fiddling while Rome floods?

The community of Red Hook falls almost entirely within Zone A, for which Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg ordered mandatory evacuations Sunday afternoon. But even as water surged up the streets of the neighborhood on Monday, some residents lingered in bars.

Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:33 PM
horizontal rule
410

404: \mcmanus


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:35 PM
horizontal rule
411

This is the entrance to my building as of 15 minutes ago.


Posted by: Sp!ke | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:36 PM
horizontal rule
412

Now this is how you mainline terrifyingness.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:37 PM
horizontal rule
413

So why the derisory reaction to the possibility of a stolen election?
Also, those pictures are terrifying. All things considered, I think I'd prefer a nice warm, tropical hurricane to Frankenstorm meets Wericane.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:37 PM
horizontal rule
414

What about this New Jersey shark photo?

Spoke to my kids and mum near Toronto tonight. They decided not to go down to Niagara Falls this week .... The ten year old is a bit worried, but they're miles away from the lake, so am sure everything will be fine.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:38 PM
horizontal rule
415

A huge portion of Manhattan just went dark.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:38 PM
horizontal rule
416

That is crazy. So when stocking up on supplies, what was the guideline of how many days to prepare for?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:38 PM
horizontal rule
417

411: gaah!

The Jersey beach town where my ancestors had their summer home sounds like it is pretty much just gone; just read something about the beach and dunes not existing and the PD suspending emergency services because waves are breaking among the houses.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:39 PM
horizontal rule
418

364: The best was the one by the guy who came from a Socialist country and says that he's voting Republican, because America is going downhill now that we're denigrating success.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:40 PM
horizontal rule
419

mcmanus is the eternal broken clock.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:40 PM
horizontal rule
420

Looks like everything is dark below about 39th street, although some buildings seem to have generator power.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:40 PM
horizontal rule
421

A huge portion of Manhattan just went dark.

Yes, I love living in the future, where my Facebook feed can instantly fill up with people announcing to the world that their power is out.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:42 PM
horizontal rule
422

411 is seriously freaky.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:43 PM
horizontal rule
423

Oh, I already said that. Well, still true.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:43 PM
horizontal rule
424

"all NYC bridges will be closed as off 7:00 PM"
I thought they left one bridge and one tunnel open, or are we now fully into "Escape from New York" territory?
(I guess that statement doesn't contradict the statement that a tunnel is open.)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:44 PM
horizontal rule
425

We just got into monsoon rain here, and I have to take the garbage out- apparently garbage collection and street cleaning are fully on schedule for the week.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:45 PM
horizontal rule
426

Given what the river has done since I took 411, I'm pretty sure our lobby is flooding right now.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:46 PM
horizontal rule
427

I can hear the plink-plink-plink of my roof leak into the metal bowl below. We drilled a couple of drain holes to try to prevent pooling but there is going to be some fun and no doubt very affordable replastering in our future. This is basically EXACTLY THE SAME as being in the actual hurricane.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:46 PM
horizontal rule
428

Now this is how you mainline terrifyingness.

Yikes, no shit, man.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:50 PM
horizontal rule
429

Is this going to impact Halloween trick-or-treating in the city?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:52 PM
horizontal rule
430

My stomach is hurty. It's like I'm there, right?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:52 PM
horizontal rule
431

Chris Christie is going to reschedule Halloween. Insert your jokes wherever the fuck you want.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:54 PM
horizontal rule
432

406,407: Sweet, is LKB or whatever it's called still open? Or maybe Local 188. Hope there's at least some people willing to go outside in this.


Posted by: Counterfly | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:55 PM
horizontal rule
433

424 THe last tunnel just closed down.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:56 PM
horizontal rule
434

The best was the one by the guy who came from a Socialist country and says that he's voting Republican, because America is going downhill now that we're denigrating success.

That's the same guy who was the star of that Planet Money episode about how he invented computerized stock trading and now thinks computerized stock trading has gone too far. Kind of odd that he is upset that society is not giving enough respect to the rich, since he thinks today's rich are just shifting money around and skimming rather than whatever he did which was actually beneficial to society. He should be worried that today's oligarchs act with impunity and steal from the common man because they're as far above the law as the Politburo.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:58 PM
horizontal rule
435

427: I'm feeling kind of woozy from too much MSG after eating ramen earlier and have a crapload of reading to do, and I'm waiting in vain for my school to cancel classes tomorrow. This.. actually it kind of is like being in the actual hurricane. Just the lame part.

N.B. the insane rain you are experiencing (some of the heaviest rain anybody's gotten today) is all part of the same system. So, you know, kinda!

We need somebody to check in who's in the middle of a blizzard, just to cover the bases.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:58 PM
horizontal rule
436

"Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight
CAN'T BELIEVE METOROLOGISTS USED MATH AND SCIENCE TO PREDICT THIS STORM. THEY MUST BE MAGIC WIZARDS."
Can I get a heh indeed?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:58 PM
horizontal rule
437

It's sunny and 78 here. But I have a limp.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 5:59 PM
horizontal rule
438

I'm in Lfk, it seems pretty busy for a monday


Posted by: Light rail tycoon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:00 PM
horizontal rule
439

Looking at flight radar to see how empty the air space is. There are some flights going to Europe from Atlanta and Charlotte. They are making big hooks through central PA and upstate NY. This is not the usual route.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:02 PM
horizontal rule
440

We need somebody to check in who's in the middle of a blizzard, just to cover the bases.

Most of West Virginia, eastern Kentucky and the appalachian parts of NC and VA have gotten snow today. The worst is in the Morgantown area I think.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:03 PM
horizontal rule
441

" MTA announces NYC subways will be closed for remainder of week. All major lines are flooded will require repair."


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:04 PM
horizontal rule
442

441.--Where did you see that?


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:11 PM
horizontal rule
443

418 was I.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:11 PM
horizontal rule
444

I don't know which photos look weirder, the underwater streets or the photos of lower Manhattan at night with almost no lights.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:12 PM
horizontal rule
445

The Twitters! But, er, here is WSJ saying something similar.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:13 PM
horizontal rule
446

425: Here it's one-day delay. We're Tuesday recylcers, so we won't have ours picked up until Wednesday.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:15 PM
horizontal rule
447

And the MTA corrects: "Rumors are wrong. The MTA cannot assess damage until Tuesday. It is way too early for a subway reopening timetable." I don't know what that means. Subway will reopen in two weeks!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:18 PM
horizontal rule
448

444: Weirder than both for me is that I'm sitting here quite comfortably on the Upper West Side, listening to howling winds but otherwise in a situation indistinguishable from any other Saturday night. Not as weird an uptown/downtown contrast as the last time Lower Manhattan had a massive infrastructure disaster, of course.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:19 PM
horizontal rule
449

One of my favorite tweets of the day (from the Heritage Foundation): "With #Sandy battering small towns & big cities, Americans must band together to help family, friends & neighbors!"

Why don't you just shut up you dumb fucking fucks; we all know what your fucking vision of preparedness and response would look like. Don't even try to pretend.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:19 PM
horizontal rule
450

If the subway is out but the bridges are open, I guess I could take a bus to work on Wednesday or something.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:21 PM
horizontal rule
451

NO MORE BAIL OUTS FOR WALL STREET.


Posted by: OPINIONATE GRANDMA | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:21 PM
horizontal rule
452

Oh Geez. 4510 must go viral.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:25 PM
horizontal rule
453

0


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:26 PM
horizontal rule
454

If only they had thought to put up a tarp.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:26 PM
horizontal rule
455

but otherwise in a situation indistinguishable from any other Saturday night

Saturday night was indeed pretty normal.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:27 PM
horizontal rule
456

My mother lives in Stuy Town and isn't answering her phone. She's on a high floor, she's fine, but I wish she'd answer her phone.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:27 PM
horizontal rule
457

All the pretty little horses.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:30 PM
horizontal rule
458

456 Power is out over there, phones might be too.

The PATH doesn't seem like it's going to be working tomorrow


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:31 PM
horizontal rule
459

457 Creepiest lullaby ever?


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:32 PM
horizontal rule
460

She answered her cell, no power but fine.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:40 PM
horizontal rule
461

Yay!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:40 PM
horizontal rule
462

451. The NYSE trading floor is under three feet of water, according to the Weather Channel.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:45 PM
horizontal rule
463

If you haven't seen this, it's pretty amazing. Advance to about 2:50.


Posted by: Robert Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:47 PM
horizontal rule
464

Or, really :17. I scrolled through too fast.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:48 PM
horizontal rule
465

462. They just walked it back.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:52 PM
horizontal rule
466

Looks like water has now started going down a bit at Battery Park (an inch or so--but looks to have crested). About an hour after high tide.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:58 PM
horizontal rule
467

Now I'm thinking the thing in 463 is a fake.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 6:59 PM
horizontal rule
468

Fortunately, I've been able to soothe myself today with Bob Ross videos, thanks to Google.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:00 PM
horizontal rule
469

Wind map worth a look. Zoom in on the northeast.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:01 PM
horizontal rule
470

The ASL for "storm surge" looks really cool.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:02 PM
horizontal rule
471

Halford, read this. It's really excellent.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:04 PM
horizontal rule
472

470: not that I'd know, but that woman seemed like one dynamic-ass signer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:05 PM
horizontal rule
473

Seriously, Bob Ross videos? You know that shit is a gateway drug. He shows you how easy it is to make a little squiggle, and you think, "that does seem easy, but maybe I could make something that was less tasteless"--and then you're stuck trying to make art.

I love Bob Ross.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:08 PM
horizontal rule
474

466: Yeah, looks like it topped out just shy of 14 feet, consistent with the "Stony Brook model + 1 foot" that seemed to be holding earlier today.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:09 PM
horizontal rule
475

469- Down the crapper.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:09 PM
horizontal rule
476

473: I'm not watching to learn how to paint, just to feel like everything is okay.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:13 PM
horizontal rule
477

471 -- another way of putting that is "poor hitting by Cabrera" which was certainly my response.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:13 PM
horizontal rule
478

These are *not* happy clouds.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:15 PM
horizontal rule
479

In your world, maybe.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:16 PM
horizontal rule
480

457 Creepiest lullaby ever?

Baby, baby, naughty baby,
Hush, you squalling thing, I say.
Peace this moment, peace, or maybe
Bonaparte will pass this way.

Baby, baby, he's a giant,
Tall and black as Rouen steeple,
And he breakfasts, dines, rely on't,
Every day on naughty people.

Baby, baby, if he hears you
As he gallops past the house,
Limb from limb at once he'll tear you,
Just as pussy tears a mouse.

And he'll beat you, beat you, beat you,
And he'll beat you into pap,
And he'll eat you, eat you, eat you,
Every morsel snap, snap, snap.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:17 PM
horizontal rule
481

||

I like this article about the trouble with Jonah Lehrer and, more broadly, the trouble with the popsci lecture circuit.

I hear it's possible to make $50,000 for a single public lecture if you can pull off a popular book.

|>


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:17 PM
horizontal rule
482

480--as kids, we had a board-book with that poem in it. Illustrated with a GIANT BABY-EATING NAPOLEON.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:20 PM
horizontal rule
483

GIANT BABY-EATING NAPOLEON

Best thing I have ever heard in my life.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:20 PM
horizontal rule
484

It's Wallace Tripp. I don't remember whether it was "Marguerite, Go Wash Your Feet" or "Granfa Grigg"--both are deathless.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:29 PM
horizontal rule
485

Sadly, my photo of my giant baby eating [a] napoleon would seem to be on my other computer.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:33 PM
horizontal rule
486

A fair bit of "Granfa Grig" online here.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:44 PM
horizontal rule
487

"Mr. Christie said Mr. Obama had called to make sure he had everything needed from the federal government and left a number to call him directly at the White House should any unmet needs arise.

"I appreciate that call from the president," Mr. Christie said. "It was very proactive. I appreciate that kind of leadership." "


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:58 PM
horizontal rule
488

I'm still stuck on election fraud. A brief search on 538 didn't turn up anything (my fault, I'm sure). At the Princeton Election Consortium I turned up just two articles from Sam Wang. The power of polls: a protection against fraud? about the 2008 national election, which wasn't really close enough to steal, but perhaps state and local races could yield some more convincing data, and The paranoid style in progressive vote-counting, with a completely unconvincing chart posted as the second comment (while he's right that "it does not support the idea that Kerry should have won Ohio", it doesn't not support that, and if I'm reading it right the two Bush won had results well at the extreme pro-Bush side of the poll distribution), and a rather condescending reference to his neuroscience article used to dismiss another comment. This isn't convincing stuff. Surely better exists.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 7:58 PM
horizontal rule
489

What do they do about all the horses of the police and the carriage rides and stuff? I hope they are all on the Upper West Side or something.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:03 PM
horizontal rule
490

Oh no - reading on Twitter that NYU Tisch Hospital lost its backup power and ventilated PICU and NICO patients are being evacuated.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:03 PM
horizontal rule
491

NICU.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:03 PM
horizontal rule
492

aggghghgghhh


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:06 PM
horizontal rule
493

The Guardian is getting depressing. They're passing on emergency SOS shouthouts, e.g. 'My friend has only a few hours of generator power left for his ventilator Broadway/Duane. Can anyone help'.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:20 PM
horizontal rule
494

Wrong site, that was on the Atlantic live blog.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:23 PM
horizontal rule
495

The article in 481 is indeed good.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:23 PM
horizontal rule
496

A Philly friend on FB says the eye is there.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 8:40 PM
horizontal rule
497

Nuke station in NJ badly flooded - six feet of water inside. One foot higher and all normal cooling systems top and they need use jury rigged rube goldberg sounding ones involving hoses and special pumps. /Bob


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:12 PM
horizontal rule
498

Link for 497?


Posted by: Count Fosco | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:16 PM
horizontal rule
499

498: here. Not actually that catastrophic.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:19 PM
horizontal rule
500

Links for all of this crap? About NICUs and Nukes and whatnot? Or are these just the sort of rumors that float around the dead of night?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:20 PM
horizontal rule
501

Thank you.


Posted by: Count Fosco | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:20 PM
horizontal rule
502

NYT live blog for the storm that performed to expectation


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:20 PM
horizontal rule
503

Thanks, teo. Much appreciated.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:21 PM
horizontal rule
504

If you scroll down you'll get the stuff on the emergency evac of NYU hospital as well.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:21 PM
horizontal rule
505

Aesop Rock had to cancel the final six shows of the tour due to hurricane issues, so tonight's show at the Cradle closed down the tour. He brought down the fucking house. If I'd seen a show like that at 15, I'd be a different person today. Jesus.

I guess I'll turn on the news now.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:25 PM
horizontal rule
506

MSNBC is telling much the same stories as the NYTimes. Truth or conspiracy? You decide.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:25 PM
horizontal rule
507

Truth or conspiracy?

If MSNBC and the Times are telling the same stories, I think that question answers itself.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:28 PM
horizontal rule
508

I mentioned this upthread, but this is a good Twitter feed to follow for official info from FDNY, Con Ed, mayor's office, etc., to filter out the rumors.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:32 PM
horizontal rule
509

More than a million without power in Jersey.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:40 PM
horizontal rule
510

I just checked, Fred Phelps hasn't isolated the cause of this storm system yet.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:46 PM
horizontal rule
511

I'm sure he'll figure it out soon.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:47 PM
horizontal rule
512

There are going to be some beach towns in Jersey that are just totally gone, I think.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:54 PM
horizontal rule
513

Coastal CT, too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 9:55 PM
horizontal rule
514

The subway in Bay Ridge looks like it's kayak use only


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:07 PM
horizontal rule
515

Check out the trash compactor from Star Wars.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:09 PM
horizontal rule
516

Good luck, all of you in NYC and NJ. (What did you do to make Sandy so mad?)


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 10:41 PM
horizontal rule
517

Huge fire in the Rockaways.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:14 PM
horizontal rule
518

650K Con Ed customers without power. Note that this is in addition to the million in NJ.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:19 PM
horizontal rule
519

The sharks have taken over in Atlantic City.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:20 PM
horizontal rule
520

Wind seems to have died down considerably. There was a long period as my antediluvian windows were shaking and the tree was banging on them that I was more than a little worried. The skylight getting dribbled by the wind wasn't too reassuring as well. Now I'm hoping that all that's over and I'll make it through this just fine, no major structural damage and intact ConEd service.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:21 PM
horizontal rule
521

Also, an Ativan and an Armagnac really keeps the worries away.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:22 PM
horizontal rule
522

Glad to hear you're okay, tkm. The news reports have been pretty scary.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:23 PM
horizontal rule
523

Power lines on fire in Astoria.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:37 PM
horizontal rule
524

This one has been making the rounds on FB, but it's probably worth posting here too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:40 PM
horizontal rule
525

More details on the status of the nuclear power plants.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-29-12 11:59 PM
horizontal rule
526

Now more than 2 million without power in New Jersey.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:17 AM
horizontal rule
527

Wow.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:23 AM
horizontal rule
528

Wow indeed. Where is the storm at this point?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:55 AM
horizontal rule
529

Every time I try to look anything up, it crashes my iPad browser. That Sandy is far reaching.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:00 AM
horizontal rule
530

The eye is a little to the west of Philadelphia at this point.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:01 AM
horizontal rule
531

Also, why are you up at 3 AM?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:03 AM
horizontal rule
532

Insomnia. It seems whether I stare at the ceiling or pull out my iPad, it's going to last about 2 hours.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:11 AM
horizontal rule
533

Well, I'm going to bed now, so maybe you can take over the "link to random hurricane-related stuff" shift for the next two hours or until the Europeans show up.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:14 AM
horizontal rule
534

Or maybe not, judging by 529.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:15 AM
horizontal rule
535

Night, Teo.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:15 AM
horizontal rule
536

Hey, me too! I've mostly been on Twitter, going to try to go back to go back to sleep now.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:16 AM
horizontal rule
537

Good night, gentle Texans.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:17 AM
horizontal rule
538

I blame my weirdly slow browser.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:18 AM
horizontal rule
539

So is the storm far enough inland that its probably no longer picking up vast amounts of ocean water?


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:21 AM
horizontal rule
540

Hello kraabie! Or goodnight.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:24 AM
horizontal rule
541

Insomnia patrol, special hurricane watch edition reporting for duty.

Next official NWS update will apparently from the Hydrometeorological Prediction Center here in a minute or two. From radar, the center looks to be near PA/MD border southwest of Harrisburg (about where I-81 crosses the border). NE quadrant still has some bands coming in off the water over NYC area and NEw England.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:08 AM
horizontal rule
542

Apparently 60 homes involved in the Rockaways fire. Breezy Point.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:09 AM
horizontal rule
543

Advisory out, 65 mph, 960 mb heading WNW@15 mph. But Meteorological Prediction dudes are not giving me a lot of confidence in their precision. The coordinates they give 40.5N 77.0W are about 30 miles north of Harrisburg, their description says 15 miles east of York which is about that far south of Harrisburg, and neither correspond to the radar center of circulation. (But not really an eye now, and they are probably doing circulation aloft as the tracking even during landfall was always east of where I eyeballed the radar circulation center.)

Anyways, South-central PA.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:26 AM
horizontal rule
544

Hope all our East Coasters are alive and well.

Having nothing but hope and prayers to offer on the serious front, I opt for the trivial: ASL experts, was Bloomberg's interpreter as comically over-expressive as she appeared to uneducated eyes? Or was she being restrained under the circumstances?


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:32 AM
horizontal rule
545

(Just heard the dreaded words "a levee has broken" on CBC. Yikes.)


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:35 AM
horizontal rule
546

Battery Park water level looks to be decent news. Turning up from low tide, bottomed out at 3.68 ft. about .5 ft. higher than yesterday AM low tide and 1.5 ft. lower than yesterday afternoon. A little over 5 ft now, and from poor man's extrapolation, I'd guess it gets a little above yesterday morning unless some unpredictability in remaining surge.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:37 AM
horizontal rule
547

New York MTA statement:

The New York City subway system is 108 years old, but it has never faced a disaster as devastating as what we experienced last night. Hurricane Sandy wreaked havoc on our entire transportation system, in every borough and county of the region. It has brought down trees, ripped out power and inundated tunnels, rail yards and bus depots. As of last night, seven subway tunnels under the East River flooded. Metro-North Railroad lost power from 59th Street to Croton-Harmon on the Hudson Line and to New Haven on the New Haven Line. The Long Island Rail Road evacuated its West Side Yards and suffered flooding in one East River tunnel. The Hugh L. Carey Tunnel is flooded from end to end and the Queens Midtown Tunnel also took on water and was closed. Six bus garages were disabled by high water. We are assessing the extent of the damage and beginning the process of recovery. Our employees have shown remarkable dedication over the past few days, and I thank them on behalf of every New Yorker. In 108 years, our employees have never faced a challenge like the one that confronts us now. All of us at the MTA are committed to restoring the system as quickly as we can to help bring New York back to normal.
So looks like it is going to be a slog getting it all back on track.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:41 AM
horizontal rule
548

It appears that gawker, HuffPo and Dailykos are currently collateral damage.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:02 AM
horizontal rule
549

outages-l knows: https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2012-October/004674.html

(Shorter: 111 8th haz generators! an diesel! an internetz! but the internal wiring between two floors failed! hilarity ensues!)


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:21 AM
horizontal rule
550

Battery Park water level graph. "Excess" holding about where it was yesterday AM. But shows how the peak surge was nearly simultaneous with high tide last night. Turns out the secret of comedy and tragedy are one and the same.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:21 AM
horizontal rule
551

Kos seems to be up in stripped down version at DR site. Tide at Battery looks like might not quite reach yesterday AM level.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:08 AM
horizontal rule
552

NYScanner update: "U/D Queens: The 6 alarm fire continues to burn out of control, at least 100 homes have been burnt down to the ground."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:09 AM
horizontal rule
553

....aaaand work's DNS is up and down like a whore's drawers. as the DNS hoster is British, this is either synchronicity or else an example of the attraction of really cheap hosting.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:13 AM
horizontal rule
554

||

Can anyone recommend a good biography of the Gracchi brothers?

|>


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:22 AM
horizontal rule
555

Hmm, this guy is an arsehole of the first water: http://buzzfeedpolitics.tumblr.com/post/34623254677/how-one-well-connected-pseudonymous-twitter-spread


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:31 AM
horizontal rule
556

Hope all of you Northeasterners are ok. In Richmond, Va, trouble mostly missed us.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:26 AM
horizontal rule
557

Power came back on at 6:15 this morning. I think they had just shut it down for our building when the lobby flooded. I still need to go downstairs to check on damage.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:31 AM
horizontal rule
558

Battery Park tide level topping out a good bit lower than yesterday AM. The "surge" part is down to where it was about 2 days ago.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:37 AM
horizontal rule
559

like Richmond, the worst passed us in Alexandria VA well tO the north. Windy, rainy, probably lost of trees down in our metro are, but no problems for the Jacobians


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:41 AM
horizontal rule
560

The main reception number at my office (not far from Battery Park) doesn't answer, and there doesn't seem to be any bus service. I'm guessing that I'm not making it in to work today. I should probably call my boss to check and see if she knows anything.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:56 AM
horizontal rule
561

Probably not going into the financial district would be the most helpful thing you could do for your employer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:59 AM
horizontal rule
562

On the other hand maybe you could go down later and volunteer to help clean up Fresh Salt.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:00 AM
horizontal rule
563

560. Did you get hold of your mother and is she OK?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:01 AM
horizontal rule
564

460 to 563?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:02 AM
horizontal rule
565

She was fine with no power last night; I've left a message this morning, but haven't spoken to her.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:04 AM
horizontal rule
566

560: A good general rule is that no one not in a storm zone is allowed to criticize anyone in the storm zone, but I'm boggling a bit at the fact that there you would have any question on the point.

Maybe I'm mistaking your polite New York indirect way of speaking and you really mean "Are you nuts? Of course there is no work today." in Midwestern-speak


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:05 AM
horizontal rule
567

-there


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:05 AM
horizontal rule
568

Come to think, her cell is going to be out of power at some point. Con Ed's power outage map is beyond useless -- there's clearly power back on downtown, but I can't figure out how to tell where it's still out.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:06 AM
horizontal rule
569

566: Oh, you're right. I'm just having cognitive dissonance issues. This neighborhood is entirely fine, the sun's coming out, it's still windy but not excitingly so. It seems ridiculous that this should be a disaster that means not showing up for work without explicit confirmation.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:07 AM
horizontal rule
570

569: if it helps, one would imagine that this storm will constitute something of an LB full-employment act when things settle down.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:09 AM
horizontal rule
571

If the subways are messed up for an extended period of time, I can't imagine how I'm going to function. I suppose I'll be biking.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:09 AM
horizontal rule
572

570: Not really -- my specific clients aren't responsible for much that's relevant.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:13 AM
horizontal rule
573

I'm going to predict that you will be able to get down to, say Houston, by Thursday.

Based on advanced rectal analysis (I studied at the Politco school of pontificating on what is likely to happen next).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:14 AM
horizontal rule
574

Oh. That's even better!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:14 AM
horizontal rule
575

+Street.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:14 AM
horizontal rule
576

I wonder if Bloombergo will have the same ASL interpreter this morning. I predict outrage if no.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:20 AM
horizontal rule
577

575: AS IF YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER PLACE?


Posted by: OPINIONATED NEW YORKER | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:21 AM
horizontal rule
578

Big boats have scared me since I was a kid. So this picture completely freaks me out.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:23 AM
horizontal rule
579

Apparently city employees are supposed to head in if the office is open.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:23 AM
horizontal rule
580

578: As far as boats go, that's not especially big.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:28 AM
horizontal rule
581

579: Hmm, so I take back my Midwestern-bred cynicism exhibited in 566.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:30 AM
horizontal rule
582

579: That's the other guys -- I'm state, not city.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:30 AM
horizontal rule
583

But close enough. Almost the same name and everything.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:31 AM
horizontal rule
584

My efforts to complicate LB's day are not going well.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:32 AM
horizontal rule
585

580: Tell me more, boy from the prairies.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:32 AM
horizontal rule
586

I'm just saying, you get much bigger boats these days. Unless that was a really small guy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:33 AM
horizontal rule
587

Fine, you're right, there are bigger boats in the world. Good point. You're a fucking genius. Do any of them happen to be sitting on the beach in Staten Island?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:36 AM
horizontal rule
588

Do any of them happen to be sitting on the beach in Staten Island?

Too soon to say.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:38 AM
horizontal rule
589

This is reminding me that I should get one of those hand-cranked phone chargers for when the Big One comes. (Even considering that the cell towers may be out too.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:44 AM
horizontal rule
590

587: He's saying you're a pussy. Let's you and him fight.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:45 AM
horizontal rule
591

Did the sandbags at Goldman's building hold?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:52 AM
horizontal rule
592

Stormcrow's just mad he underplayed the surge risk.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:53 AM
horizontal rule
593

I admit it; if he brings an ore boat or a tanker to the fight he will win. I'm just cranky because a confederacy of dunces, goobers, bigots and greedheads are making this election closer than it has any right to be.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:55 AM
horizontal rule
594

Power outages in Pennsylvania have been way rarer than expected, with the exception of the Allentown area. I was sure our power would go out last night as the storm went just south of us, then stopped, then moved north. It still hasn't moved n orth!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:58 AM
horizontal rule
595

592: The storm certainly was more intense than I predicted--and I am feeling properly chastened about that--but although it was a really big surge it wan't quite the "anomalous monster" storm surge that I was thinking of in that comment. About 3 more feet.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 6:58 AM
horizontal rule
596

594: Yeah, it is still goobering away down along the southern border, circ center close to Bedford Pa.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:00 AM
horizontal rule
597

Our power didn't even flicker last night. That's pretty rare for any storm.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:09 AM
horizontal rule
598

To be depressed, if we live in a world where this sort of thing happens regularly now, I don't know what happens to NYC. This place can't function without the subways, and I don't know if there's a way to make the subways tolerant of a yearly immersion in salt water. It's probably not as bad as I'm thinking, but I'm really freaked out about making it in to work once my office is open but the subways aren't.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:12 AM
horizontal rule
599

I'm feeling better about the election because of the Bob Kerrey surge.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:12 AM
horizontal rule
600

Philadelphia and nearby New Jersey doing fine. One streetlight down on my block, but it missed the power lines. Leak in the roof at the office not so bad.

Floodgate on the Delaware River closest to my home, built around 1700 and finaly upgraded in APRIL 2012, held. Probably wouldn't have last year. Thank you, stimulus funds!


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:12 AM
horizontal rule
601

598: your bike path probably isn't still underwater, right?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:14 AM
horizontal rule
602

Probably has trees down across it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:15 AM
horizontal rule
603

598: L trains?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:18 AM
horizontal rule
604

You mean, like, rebuild the Third Avenue El? I don't think there's enough money in the world.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:19 AM
horizontal rule
605

if we live in a world where this sort of thing happens regularly now

Is this referring to global-warming/climate change?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:20 AM
horizontal rule
606

Yes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:20 AM
horizontal rule
607

Netherlands-like flood gates across NY harbor. That's the global warming message from the storm, not that the storm itself was a result but that 1-3 meter increases in sea level mean that this kind of flooding becomes a regular event.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:21 AM
horizontal rule
608

This is the thing I saw fly off the top of a high-rise , as mentioned in 210. Turns out it was the top of a water tank, not a roof deck.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:22 AM
horizontal rule
609

This is what happened to my kid's playground, which had been known for its fine shade trees. At least 6 trees down.


Posted by: Sp!ke | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:24 AM
horizontal rule
610

Yow.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:27 AM
horizontal rule
611

607 is right.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:27 AM
horizontal rule
612

The playground photo is the first one I've seen that made me exclaim out loud. That tree in the middle looks like it was amazing.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:31 AM
horizontal rule
613

Those trees were all amazing. Its going to be a very different park now.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:35 AM
horizontal rule
614

607: It is a bit sobering that at the Battery this was "only" about 8 feet above HAT (Highest Astronomical Tide)--about 2.5 meters above.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:39 AM
horizontal rule
615

614: Or .0015 miles!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:41 AM
horizontal rule
616

If I were a god of creatures who built various important cities with key infrastructure at or below sea level, and who then chose to not address their own actions which clearly were leading to a rise in sea level, I'd fuck with them big time.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:42 AM
horizontal rule
617

But the goobers and Romneys of the world don't give a fuck.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:43 AM
horizontal rule
618

615: or 79 attoparsecs!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:44 AM
horizontal rule
619

607 is why I say we don't have ten years, let alone twenty.

With Sandy and the agricultural drought global warming is starting to cost real fucking money, hundreds of billions, and with the deficit hawks and the taxophobics the current political economy is not going to bear the weight.

Socialism or barbarism. Now.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:44 AM
horizontal rule
620

AFAICT Atlantic City, the Jersey Shore, and coastal Connecticut (? Maybe? Not sure about this) took the worst of it, but there don't seem to be reporters there.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:46 AM
horizontal rule
621

620: I'm not sure anybody can really get back there yet. Atlantic City sounds like it's actually better than people feared, damage-wise.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:49 AM
horizontal rule
622

Well, I just I should go for a walk and look at the damage. (Get the hell out of teh house.) We had lights flicker last night, but kept power.

It was odd how the rain just stopped dead after the center made landfall.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:54 AM
horizontal rule
623

We had been planning to do a family reunion/vacation on the Jersey shore next summer. I'm guessing not so much now.
Local damage report- I mentioned earlier a neighbor's tree falling on another neighbor's garage. Biking in to work, there was a big pine down on the sidewalk near the kids bus stop that crushed two cars. On the parkway there was a tree down that had been cleared, but had clearly fallen through the roof of a house (big tarp covering the roof.) Another guy at work showed me a picture of a tree that fell and crushed his neighbor's car.
I'm shocked we didn't lose power, we've lost it in storms a lot lighter than this, but maybe the falls from those outages mean all the weak branches were already cleared.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:57 AM
horizontal rule
624

There's* got to be a morning after.

*Could be fake (or from some other time).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:58 AM
horizontal rule
625

AFAICT Atlantic City, the Jersey Shore, and coastal Connecticut (? Maybe? Not sure about this) took the worst of it, but there don't seem to be reporters there.

CNN seemed to spend 25% of its time last night in Atlantic City.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:00 AM
horizontal rule
626

Atlantic City sounds like it's actually better than people feared, damage-wise.

Not just Atlantic City--it sounds like the damage generally is much less than had been feared.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:03 AM
horizontal rule
627

I am definitely not willing to go that far just yet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:05 AM
horizontal rule
628

In my neighborhood, I can say the damage is no more or no less than what I had been lead to expect.

Although the people who parked in the underground parking garage next door must be pretty pissed off at the flooding right now. Not a good time to buy used cars, folks.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:14 AM
horizontal rule
629

627: damage (measured in terms of insurance losses) looks likely to be at least an order of magnitude lower than Katrina. Basically comparable to Irene.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:16 AM
horizontal rule
630

was Bloomberg's interpreter as comically over-expressive as she appeared to uneducated eyes? Or was she being restrained under the circumstances?

She was awesome! (I subscribe to the 'interpretive dance' theory of ASL).


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:16 AM
horizontal rule
631

There are parallels (at a reduced intensity) with Katrina where the landfall and "standard" hurricane damage was on a barrier island coast some distance from the flooding impacted metropolitan area. A different kind of aftermath in each case. Roberto reveals himself as a half-assed contrarian with his inclusion of the Connecticut coast and his gratuitous mention of reporters. Aligns him with Haley Barbour's political posturing after Katrina.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:19 AM
horizontal rule
632

629: And urple tries to out-asshole Roberto.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:19 AM
horizontal rule
633

What?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:21 AM
horizontal rule
634

633 to 632, but also 631. I can't follow 631 at all.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:23 AM
horizontal rule
635

I'm perfectly open to the possibility that damage might be worse than intial estimates. All I was saying is that based on initial estimates it sounds like the damage generally is much less than had been feared. Which is good! Not sure how that warrants an "asshole". (Is the problem measuring "damage" in terms of insurance loss? Problematic, for sure, but it seems to be the most widely used proxy.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:25 AM
horizontal rule
636

Yeah, what?


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:25 AM
horizontal rule
637

I'll allow LB one week of bemoaning the fate of her city, and then I'll start spamming pictures of Haiti, or maybe India in monsoon season.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:25 AM
horizontal rule
638

Is the problem measuring "damage" in terms of insurance loss?

How much is the MTA insured for?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:26 AM
horizontal rule
639

Some other loon beat Fred to the Sandy + gay link:

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/29/pastor_blame_gays_for_hurricane_sandy/


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:27 AM
horizontal rule
640

Sure, my "asshole" threshold is a bit low today but directionally correct. Think about it.

Off to do some work.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:28 AM
horizontal rule
641

I haven't checked yet this morning, but as of 3:30 AM local time that Rockaway fire wasn't described as contained, and it had destroyed something like sixty houses. Any news?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:28 AM
horizontal rule
642

I don't know if there's a way to make the subways tolerant of a yearly immersion in salt water.

Gondolas. Or little electric boats like in Disneyland's "It's A Small World After All".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:29 AM
horizontal rule
643

Eggplant gets it right in 637.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:29 AM
horizontal rule
644

Are you just pouting because your weather nerd-dom proved spectacular bad at predictions? Anything else you'd like to pretend to know about, old man?


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:32 AM
horizontal rule
645

I think Stormcrow is calling it an asshole move to minimize the damage to an audience of people whose cities have just been devastated by that damage.

Or perhaps he's calling you pussies. Let's you and him fight.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:32 AM
horizontal rule
646

... make the subways tolerant of a yearly immersion in salt water.

Replace all of it with stuff made from titanium alloys. Some of Mitt's buddies can do that for the right price, can't they?


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:33 AM
horizontal rule
647

645: A three-way fight. Where's that guy with the limp? Chicken.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:35 AM
horizontal rule
648

Where and how did I minimize the damage? I think Stormcrow is just being a pouty ass because he wants us all to respect his weather neredery. OK, assmunch, you know something about weather. Enjoy your basement in Pittsburgh.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:39 AM
horizontal rule
649

Ooh, the age plus "your location sucks" gambits; the Tigre's on his game today.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:41 AM
horizontal rule
650

647: I'm here for you! For my part, I think it's time to have serious discussions about depopulating New York City and relocating its residents to, I don't know, maybe Albany. No, I'm not being punitive at all. I'm only concerned about their safety in the future. Or maybe, if we want to be really generous, we should just remove everyone from the low-lying areas of the city. Wait, what's that you say? That would mean gutting Manhattan'ss economic center. Oh well. That's the only just and reasonable course. Right, Sifu Tweety?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:41 AM
horizontal rule
651

I'm not even supposed to be posting here today. Is there a debate tonight?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:42 AM
horizontal rule
652

Also, I'm not calling the people who thought that New Orleans should be returned to marshland after Katrina racists. Because that would be rude. And I wouldn't want to be rude.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:42 AM
horizontal rule
653

Justin Wolfers:"Asking what a hurricane does to GDP is about as pointless as asking what a war does. Tells you more about problems with GDP than anything".

Whoa, like the uneven distribution or unquantifiable aspects of "damage" is the fault or problem of economists. They do aggregates.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:43 AM
horizontal rule
654

All kidding aside, the storm surge did exactly what I hoped it wouldn't do, and this is a massive calamity. Seeing the pictures from the Jersey shore, from lower Manhattan, and from Red Hook actually makes me feel physically sick. So to ameliorate my suffering -- and let's be clear that I'm suffering -- I screamed at a reporter from the Times for about fifteen minutes this morning and then told an editor at another place that wanted me to write something to go fuck himself.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:45 AM
horizontal rule
655

Oh my God, this is better than I imagined. This could be like the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:45 AM
horizontal rule
656

Everyone's a bit pissy this afternoon? I suppose it's because we were all waiting for Bob to propose some sort of radical nuclear-bomb based solution to the hurricane.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:46 AM
horizontal rule
657

I'm overtired.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:48 AM
horizontal rule
658

Alex just called everyone a pussy! Get him!

I'm be in the back, sipping this piña colada.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:50 AM
horizontal rule
659

Battery-cranked cell phones: once you start thinking about this seriously, you will find yourself looking into the equivalent ham radios (which are not made for customer convenience, but do exist). And then you need a ham license; I've let mine expire, but Tech No-Code was an easy morning's cram. And *then* there's the practical thing that the Aged Rabbits Relay League are some of the people who have something helpful to do in disasters, though that's because they plan ahead.

If there's any interest in an Unfogged Bay Area ham-license-getting practice team, I'll try to organize it.

tl:dr; hlepy planning.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:51 AM
horizontal rule
660

was Bloomberg's interpreter as comically over-expressive as she appeared to uneducated eyes? Or was she being restrained under the circumstances?

Is there video anywhere, or was it all just live press conferences?

(so far, I can tell that the internet's response to her is really irritating. but not whether or not she was doing a good job)


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:51 AM
horizontal rule
661

656: I'm not pissy. I'm facing up to environmental realities, social consequences be damned. Someone has to tell the hard truths to the people of New York: it's time to move on. Leave Manolo Blahnik middens so archeologists will know you were once there.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:52 AM
horizontal rule
662

For reals, how long before someone starts saying what I'm saying here? Hours? Days? Or has it already happened?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:53 AM
horizontal rule
663

Walt sure seems to like using sexist language.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:54 AM
horizontal rule
664

Important news! Levi Johnston, ex-boyfriend of one of the Palins, has named his most recent daughter Breeze Beretta. I am impressed.

Also, minimal damage to report from Crown Heights. Some trees down in the little park above the Botanical Gardens. A couple of shoddy construction fences down in spectacular fashion. A cop broadcasting tetchily from his car that all the joggers should get out of Prospect Park. Lots of people out taking pictures of damage. Almost ALL of my local cafes, stores, and restaurants are open for business. (Really, 99-cent store guy?)


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:56 AM
horizontal rule
665

662:When the bills come due for the harbor floodgates and the Wall Streeters start moving to Dallas rather than pay more taxes.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:56 AM
horizontal rule
666

depopulating New York City and relocating its residents to, I don't know

If you moved a few hundred thousand or so to North Carolina, you'd turn the state permanently Democratic.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:57 AM
horizontal rule
667

minimize the damage

I did not.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:58 AM
horizontal rule
668

664: neighborhoods that have "Heights" in them might be allowed to stand. We'll leave the details to the death panels. Remember, we're doing this for your safety.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:58 AM
horizontal rule
669

Also, minimal damage to report from Crown Heights.

You asshole!


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:59 AM
horizontal rule
670

That your comment was number 666, apo, shouldn't be misread by any onlookers. Your ideas are fresh and reasonable. You're the voice of second wave environmentalism.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:59 AM
horizontal rule
671

I'm feeling pretty good this morning, though a little worried about a friend's house in coastal CT. I'm sure they're fine though, so let's start this. Walt, you think you can sit on the sidelines like a smug little bitch? Nice sensitivity to people living in evacuation centers, dickface.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:00 AM
horizontal rule
672

Just saw a picture on the Daily News: Fresh Salt has about a foot of water in front it. The entrance is sandbagged, though.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:02 AM
horizontal rule
673

One calamity and you all turn on each other. You'd think this was a libertarian blog.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:03 AM
horizontal rule
674

587: He's saying you're a pussy. Let's you and him fight.

Clearly he's saying you're going to need a bigger boat.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:06 AM
horizontal rule
675

672. Thank God!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:06 AM
horizontal rule
676

I bet if the storm had happened in, say, 1975 (or any time when lower Manhattan and Red Hook were very poor, as they were for most of the 20th century) you'd have more talk of relocating people.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:07 AM
horizontal rule
677

If you moved a few hundred thousand or so to North Carolina

That only works in the short term. In the long term, its going to be too fucking hot.

There are a number of depopulated industrial cities in the interior of New England that I think will be seeing a population boom in 20-30 years.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:10 AM
horizontal rule
678

676 gets its 100% right. Though even then: Wall Street.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:11 AM
horizontal rule
679

Also, Detroit.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:11 AM
horizontal rule
680

671: That's life as a Romney voter, my friend. I'm just sitting here in my private helicopter, surveying the damage.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:12 AM
horizontal rule
681

If you have to make explicit that your helicopter is private, you're not really a Romney voter.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:15 AM
horizontal rule
682

My online fantasy life destroyed by a single slip-up. I'm actually posting from JP Stormcrow's basement.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:17 AM
horizontal rule
683

672 is the best news I've heard in a couple of days.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:19 AM
horizontal rule
684

Toronto would be a great place to put all that master of the universe financial stuff (which no longer has to be convenient to Atlantic shipping).


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:23 AM
horizontal rule
685

676

I bet if the storm had happened in, say, 1975 (or any time when lower Manhattan and Red Hook were very poor, as they were for most of the 20th century) you'd have more talk of relocating people.

Not much more. The comparison to Katrina is silly. From the wikipedia article:

Levee breaches in New Orleans also caused a significant amount of deaths, with over 700 bodies recovered in New Orleans by October 23, 2005.[56] Some survivors and evacuees reported seeing dead bodies lying in city streets and floating in still-flooded sections, especially in the east of the city. The advanced state of decomposition of many corpses, some of which were left in the water or sun for days before being collected, hindered efforts by coroners to identify many of the dead

There are lots of inhabited areas in the US at greater risk from storms than NYC.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:24 AM
horizontal rule
686

The real fat cats have corporate helicopters. Always make someone else pay even if you can afford it yourself.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:24 AM
horizontal rule
687

And they could send all the fashion stuff (which doesn't have to be in the same place as the master of the universe financial stuff or readily available Atlantic shipping) to Montreal.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:27 AM
horizontal rule
688

Toronto would be a great place to put all that master of the universe financial stuff

Alternately, we could just get rid of that shit.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:36 AM
horizontal rule
689

all the fashion stuff (which doesn't have to be in the same place as the master of the universe financial stuff

The fashion stuff needs to be in the same place as the financial stuff in order to dress the trophy wives. Sheesh, guys, it's like none of you have even read Krugman.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:36 AM
horizontal rule
690

I'll just be sniffling quietly in a corner over here.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:39 AM
horizontal rule
691

(Silly yes. But sillier than folks suggesting realigning states that other people live in the other day? I don't think so.)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
692

689: No, the plutocrats I know fly their trophy wives to wherever the fashion stuff is.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
693

Are these relocations after the implementation of War Plan Red ?


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
694

Guys, let's focus our anger on Carp and his bizarre Canadophilia.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
695

I realize this is a crisis in many places, but I can't even begin to understand the thinking of whoever said the liquor stores in Pittsburgh had to close. Bastards.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
696

New Orleans is mostly below sea level, the low lying areas of NYC are at about the same height as the safest parts of New Orleans. If we were to build the same kind of protection that NOLA has, we'd be in pretty good shape for the next half century or so.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:45 AM
horizontal rule
697

KATHARINE
Is it possible dat I sould love de enemy of France?

KING HENRY V
No; it is not possible you should love the enemy of
France, Kate: but, in loving me, you should love
the friend of France; for I love France so well that
I will not part with a village of it; I will have it
all mine: and, Kate, when France is mine and I am
yours, then yours is France and you are mine.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:46 AM
horizontal rule
698

Changing boundaries is very different than moving people. For example, Hudson County should be part of New York City.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:50 AM
horizontal rule
699

I'm only interested in realigning states in which no one else but me lives. Just have to move a few people before I can get started.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:54 AM
horizontal rule
700

Glad LB is okay. Hope your commute woes are solved soon. Not sure who else lives there. . .do we have a head count of okays?


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:57 AM
horizontal rule
701

No one is going to move NYC but I wouldn't be surprised to see places like Washington Heights and parts of Harlem get a big boost in popularity/real estate prices. (They are already in a gentrification boom but this should add to it).


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:58 AM
horizontal rule
702

Fireisland.com Facebook page has some amazing pictures. Haven't heard about the family house yet, but at this point I assume no news is good news.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:59 AM
horizontal rule
703

Maybe the financial district will move to Queens, where the subways have the sense to be elevated.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:02 AM
horizontal rule
704

702- A lot of flooded bikes in those pictures, someone warn Sifu to sit down before he looks.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:03 AM
horizontal rule
705

Look on the bright side, New York City, you're like Venice now!

Battery-cranked cell phones

Also, bicycle-powered generators!


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:07 AM
horizontal rule
706

My guess about the subways is that if they're closed for a long time, they'll work out some kind of busing alternative (maybe temporarily dedicate lanes to bus traffic, if that's possible).


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:08 AM
horizontal rule
707

660: There must be video somewhere on the net, but my home computer's being a bitch right now so I can't tell you where exactly.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:09 AM
horizontal rule
708

Baltimore, at least downtown, got off pretty light. I never even lost power although the lights flickered once or twice.

I don't know how the suburbs fared.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:10 AM
horizontal rule
709

When will Fresh Salt re-open?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:11 AM
horizontal rule
710

Has Pars commented since the storm hit?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:15 AM
horizontal rule
711

There's a link to video of Bloomberg's post-storm press conference here but I didn't see yesterday's so I don't know if the interpreter's the same. Also, you have to download a 200 MB file to view it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:15 AM
horizontal rule
712

706- I'm guessing there will be a private car ban on a significant fraction of Manhattan for at least a few weeks.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:18 AM
horizontal rule
713

@710

I don't think so. I think she said earlier that she was in the Towson-ish area. Towson is in Baltimore County and BC apparently still has a lot of folks without power.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:19 AM
horizontal rule
714

I sent a harrassing "where are the draft documents?" email to opposing counsel this morning. He sent a professional "fuck you" in response. ("Our office has been closed yesterday and today due to the hurricane. Most of us don't have power and it may be awhile before it's restored. We'll review and respond as soon as we are able.") Hey, ever heard of a generator, asshole? (In my defense, I'd forgotten about the hurricane when I sent my harrassing email.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:26 AM
horizontal rule
715

I called Fresh Salt to check their status. The call did not go through. Twice!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:30 AM
horizontal rule
716

In the oudemia family, we have one house lost, one town lost, one house as yet unknown (could go either way, fingers crossed!), and one house fine. I probably shouldn't read this thread.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:36 AM
horizontal rule
717

Things ain't all bad here.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:38 AM
horizontal rule
718

No, you shouldn't.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:38 AM
horizontal rule
719

Hoboken got slammed.

Broadest photo collection I've seen so far. (Scroll down toward the bottom. Seems to work only in IE.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:39 AM
horizontal rule
720

716: Damn, that sucks.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:39 AM
horizontal rule
721

Oudemia gets more than a week.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:42 AM
horizontal rule
722

716. Oudemia, that is rotten.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:42 AM
horizontal rule
723

Horrible. I hope all the people are unhurt.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:43 AM
horizontal rule
724

Sorry to hear that oudemia. I hope your people are at least all safe. Same to anyone else with people in the region!


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:45 AM
horizontal rule
725

All people and their fuzzy companions are fine! Everyone is dry and well and housed somewhere, so it's fine basically.
A friend from DC apropos of nothing sent me an email saying it was silly to call what had happened "devastation" (I didn't, he was talking about someone else) because *Hiroshima* is devastation, and then went on to tell me how much worse the derecho that hit DC was than Sandy. I have zero competitive investment in this, but this is weird right? Is this just some DC-related complex? Did anyone see that idiot Jack Sh/a/fer on Twitter last night?


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:50 AM
horizontal rule
726

Sympathy to 716. That's truly rotten luck.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:50 AM
horizontal rule
727

719. The range of this storm! There was a picture of damage in Maine. Even into the midwest (as we heard here too).


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:53 AM
horizontal rule
728

716: A whole town? So sorry to all.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:53 AM
horizontal rule
729

716 Damn. Glad everyone is ok but that's still going to be a nightmare.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:54 AM
horizontal rule
730

725: people don't realize what happens when a LOT of water rolls through a neighborhood. Honestly, they can't conceptualize the devastation until they see it with their own eyes. But I do agree that the only sane course at this point is to nuke DC from space. That should right the hierarchy of victimization in the Beltway's favor.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:54 AM
horizontal rule
731

Hiroshima was bad, but really nothing compared to the Toba volcano.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:55 AM
horizontal rule
732

Anyone seen the pictures of lake Laguardia?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:59 AM
horizontal rule
733

But I do agree that the only sane course at this point is to nuke DC from space

Why not have that rogue sub from the tv show do it? They already fired a warning shot.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:01 AM
horizontal rule
734

I'm telling you, it's all the fault of the trees. Sure, sounds nice to have shade and conversion of CO2 to O2, but they plan for years, building up potential energy branch by branch, then at the worst possible time they snap and drop all that built up energy on you at once.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:02 AM
horizontal rule
735

I'm still trying to get my head around the idea of people kayaking down 14th street. Those photos were crazy.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:02 AM
horizontal rule
736

Could we please not? We're buying a house in the region and everything.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:03 AM
horizontal rule
737

731: But none of that can really compare to the time I stubbed my toe.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:03 AM
horizontal rule
738

Ah, Michael "Heckuva Job" Brown has weighed in with a very appropriate point ...

"One thing he's gonna be asked is, why did he jump on this so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in...Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?" Brown says. "Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question.... This is like the inverse of Benghazi."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:22 AM
horizontal rule
739

Are there going to be rats everywhere in NYC?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:27 AM
horizontal rule
740

I was sure that was an onion headline.
"This is like the inverse of Benghazi."
What does that even mean? People stood around singing kumbaya and resurrected four diplomats? (N.b.: autocorrect for kumbaya is Limbaugh.)


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:28 AM
horizontal rule
741

Obama totally should have parachuted into Benghazi during the middle of the firefight.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:35 AM
horizontal rule
742

Oh, oudemia. So many associations. (Also money.)

Your DC friend loses all benefit of my doubt for sending that unprompted. I try to triage triage anyway, but jeez.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:41 AM
horizontal rule
743

Gondolas. Or little electric boats like in Disneyland's "It's A Small World After All".

Jetpacks. Where are all the goddamn jetpacks we were promised?

If there's any interest in an Unfogged Bay Area ham-license-getting practice team, I'll try to organize it.

Can PNW commenters join? Hammers can communicate via satellite, right? When the Cascadia subduction quake happens, we'll have common cause.

On preview, sympathies to oudemia.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:42 AM
horizontal rule
744

739: Wikipedia says they prefer to be called "New Jerseyans" or "New Jerseyites."


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:43 AM
horizontal rule
745

716: Holy shit. That's a lot gone missing. I'm sorry.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:48 AM
horizontal rule
746

744: Ha ha. So funny I forgot to laugh.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:48 AM
horizontal rule
747

744: Ha ha. Some of them are probably dead and floating around too!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:51 AM
horizontal rule
748

716 is really terrible, I'm sorry.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:51 AM
horizontal rule
749

I ban myself. [Drops live mike.]


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:51 AM
horizontal rule
750

714 -- I was in the midst of a discovery harassment call when they ordered the evacuation of my building on 9/11. My 'fuck you' may not have been as professional as the one you got.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:53 AM
horizontal rule
751

That's the only just and reasonable course. Right, Sifu Tweety?

I could be talked into it. Seems like it'd be tricky politically.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:53 AM
horizontal rule
752

743: You bet. The Dwarf Lord keeps his Extra license current, likes risk planning, and will probably be living in Seattle from January on. (sigh)


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:53 AM
horizontal rule
753

I thought rats typically abandon a sinking ship.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:54 AM
horizontal rule
754

744: As a New Jerseyan, I thought (mistakenly) that I was permitted that joke. Sorry about that.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:58 AM
horizontal rule
755

753: See Christie, Chris. But of course he is actually doing what he needs to do for actual disaster recovery.

Also 2016, of course. Especially with this just now President Obama will travel to New Jersey tomorrow to view storm damage with Gov. Chris Christie, the White House announced. after rebuffing Romney photo ops.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:59 AM
horizontal rule
756

Of course of course.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 11:59 AM
horizontal rule
757

751: but I have realized that my personal theories of where it isn't a good idea to have large concentrations of people living, no matter how well-considered, are neither consonant with political and historical reality nor generally welcomed as helpful advice.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:02 PM
horizontal rule
758

I am a bad person- I just realized that my parents are not traveling as I thought but were out of town until the 27th then again after the 1st, which means they were home in the northern NY suburbs and I haven't heard from them. Should probably call tonight. My brother is in the FD and lives a couple miles away so I'm sure he'd let me know if any of the numerous trees around their house came down on it.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:06 PM
horizontal rule
759

757: You and Adolf Hitler.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:06 PM
horizontal rule
760

759: Sifu would have the triathletes get Madagascar.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:10 PM
horizontal rule
761

So sorry Oudemia. .


Posted by: Ile | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:10 PM
horizontal rule
762

759: he realized that? Wouldn't have figured.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:15 PM
horizontal rule
763

I like to think at the end he had some regrets.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:16 PM
horizontal rule
764

Hmm, Will Saletan with an interesting point? Could be.

Republican governors order hurricane evacuations so we won't have to bail you out. Then why do they defend your right to skip health insurance?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:23 PM
horizontal rule
765

Republican governors do whatever is most expedient and cheap.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:38 PM
horizontal rule
766

716: Ouch. Sympathies.

725: Living in DC for an extended time does drive some people nuts.


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:41 PM
horizontal rule
767

739: Why should today be any different?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:46 PM
horizontal rule
768

Sorry, oudemia.

We are fine on the UWS. The boy and I took a neighborhood tour a bit ago that was reasonably heavy with downed trees and featured a handful of crushed cars, but that's it. Power on, streets unflooded, wine shop open.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:47 PM
horizontal rule
769

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HjI9UNPKA&feature=player_embedded

Lydia Callis, Bloomberg's ASL interpreter. I thought the Internet comments about her were pretty insensitive myself, but I admit that I wouldn't have thought so had e. messily's earlier blog comments not sensitized me to the issue.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:54 PM
horizontal rule
770

Were there internet comments other than to the effect that she's awesome?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:55 PM
horizontal rule
771

And, if not, is that insensitive? How come?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:56 PM
horizontal rule
772

Remnants finally have turned north, heading up towards Dubois.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 12:57 PM
horizontal rule
773

The comments that I saw seemed to treat Callis like a curiosity, I thought. Maybe "clueless" would have been better than "insensitive."


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:02 PM
horizontal rule
774

738: That slimy little fuck still can't conceive of why someone might treat a natural disaster as urgent? Wow, he sure needs to immediately kill himself.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:12 PM
horizontal rule
775

She did seem to me to be unusually expressive. Normally, when there's an ASL interpreter for a speech, I notice they're there, and then end up tuning them out as I would subtitles in a language I don't speak. She, on the other hand, was actively interesting to watch -- I was listening to the speech, but watching her sign.

Now, she was standing next to Mike Bloomberg, who's an easy man to upstage, but I think she's still unusually telegenic.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:12 PM
horizontal rule
776

I took a two hour walk around my area (Clinton Hill, Fort Greene and Prospect Heights) and things seemed remarkably fine. Tons of branches, most already in neat piles on the curb, some downed trees, including one huge one that scored a direct hit on a house, and lots of torn up wooden fencing. But that's about it. No significant damage to cars, a couple broken windows; even the house with the humongous tree lying on top of it seemed ok. Go nineteenth century construction.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:13 PM
horizontal rule
777

773: like, it was curious that she was there, you mean?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:13 PM
horizontal rule
778

775: right. Like I was watching, and I thought "I wouldn't have any way to know this, but I feel like she has the equivalent of a really awesome accent or diction."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:14 PM
horizontal rule
779

'Articulate', perchance?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:16 PM
horizontal rule
780

777: No, it was turning her into a meme a la NASA's "mohawk guy," when she wasn't doing anything more notable than doing her job and being telegenic (and wearing a very pretty suit). In other words, if I put myself in her shoes, I think I might be more annoyed that flattered by the attention.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:17 PM
horizontal rule
781

As for Lydia Callis, I guessed that it might be offensive that some people are finding her "awesome" in a comical sense and not in a wow-she's-great-at-her-job sense. I know I kind of did, and I know it's also possible that reacting that way is maybe ignorant and dickish. OTOH I've seen ASL interpreters before and she does seem... unusual. And funnier. In a nervous-laughter incongruous kind of way.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:18 PM
horizontal rule
782

Don't forget 'clean'.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:18 PM
horizontal rule
783

774: You don't understand. Obama is deliberately trying to make me look bad.


Posted by: Opinionated Michael "Heckuva Job" Brown | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:20 PM
horizontal rule
784

I just somehow doubt that Deaf people were the ones creating .gifs and tumblrs and so forth dedicated to Ms. Callis, ya know?

Am I the only one who thinks the response was kinda squicky?


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:20 PM
horizontal rule
785

779: and so clean!

780: what was mohawk guy doing besides doing his job?

What I think people noticed it that she was doing her job with what seemed -- to non-signers, anyhow -- with an impressive level of dynamism. I'm not sure why that's condescending.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:21 PM
horizontal rule
786

716: So sorry, oudemia.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:21 PM
horizontal rule
787

I haven't seen the reaction to her to comment on it (that is, I noticed her, but I hadn't noticed anyone else commenting on her), but I can see that it might be annoying or insensitive, depending on the details.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:22 PM
horizontal rule
788

Okay, if people were reading her as comical and laughing at her that's one thing. I thought she seemed unironically awesome, like if somebody with a really excellent, stentorian radio voice had done the spanish translation instead of El Bloombergo massacring it himself.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:23 PM
horizontal rule
789

Having a mohawk, duh.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:24 PM
horizontal rule
790

All though in the event I called her a "dynamic-ass signer" which, again without knowing really anything about ASL, I stand behind.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:26 PM
horizontal rule
791

From the video in 769, she looks like she's doing a good (but not unusual) job.

The comments that have irritated me have been (a) comments referring to her as "the mayor's signing girl" and (b) comments that appear to be motivated by the general attitude of "OMG Sign Language is so amazing and expressive and this lady is doing such an amazing job". How would you know? It similarly irritates me when people come up to me after a conference presentation to tell the interpreter what a great job she did. You don't know! You don't know if she did a good job or not.

I get that it's fun to listen to new languages and that people say similar stuff about how beautiful French is or whatever. But there's definitely an element of exoticization (and often some underlying mockery at all the "amazingly expressive" faces) that rubs me the wrong way.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:28 PM
horizontal rule
792

What's wrong with having a dynamic ass? that's what crossfit is all about.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:29 PM
horizontal rule
793

Oh, yeah. I have no idea if she was doing a good job, just that she was compelling to watch.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:30 PM
horizontal rule
794

Granted, it's way MORE irritating when people say this kind of thing about interpreters who are not doing an amazing, or even an adequate, job.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:30 PM
horizontal rule
795

Revealed* assholes from the storm, a series.
#1 Mitt Romney: "Relief" rally.

"I have to tell you, I'm proud of you in Dayton to show up in such large numbers..." Romney said.
"It's part of the American Spirit...the American Way to give to those in need," Romney remarked. "You make the difference you can."
He told a story dating back to his high school days where he and a small group of students were told to clean up the football field after a big game. Romney told the crowd that the group formed a strategy to make the biggest impact they could
Joan Walsh got it right: "That was a comedian pretending to be Mitt Romney, right?"

*OK, they were all pre-revealed, but absent prior history their storm/post-storm actions would have sufficed.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:32 PM
horizontal rule
796

791: (a) is crappy, yeah. (b) is crappy, yeah, okay.

But 793 is right, too.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:34 PM
horizontal rule
797

#2 Michael Brown: (see above) Why Prez so quick to respond?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:34 PM
horizontal rule
798

I'm with Sifu on this one. I noticed her immediately and didn't tune her out (?) the way that I would normally. Maybe it was just that the subject matter was more dramatic. It sure looked like she was signing about a huge storm.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:35 PM
horizontal rule
799

It sure looked like she was signing about a huge storm.

Weird.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:39 PM
horizontal rule
800

#3 ComfortablySmug false rumor twitter dude. (see Alex above).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:40 PM
horizontal rule
801

I'm kind of taken aback by the idea that you guys have so many regular experiences where you would see somebody talking and there is an ASL interpreter right next to them, and you're so used to this that you just tune the interpreter out. I think the Bloomberg things are the only times I've ever seen that setup, outside of some events at Gallaudet.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:41 PM
horizontal rule
802

#4 Donald Trump: ""Because of the hurricane, I am extending my $5 million offer for President Obama's favorite charity until noon on Thursday."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:42 PM
horizontal rule
803

#5: Me (see various above).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:43 PM
horizontal rule
804

an ASL interpreter right next to them, and you're so used to this that you just tune the interpreter out

Ever since Garrett Morris


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:44 PM
horizontal rule
805

799: hm. Sooooo maybe our lack of experience with people conveying urgent information about natural disasters in ASL is leading us astray here?

I... could see that, yeah.

Presumably New Yorkers who only know Spanish assumed that there was no important information to be imparted, because otherwise obviously you'd want somebody actually able to produce a coherent sentence.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:46 PM
horizontal rule
806

801: Only things on TV, really, but I see ASL interpreters reasonably often, I think -- again, I sort of tune them out as not-my-problem, so I couldn't quantify it. Reasonably often might be, every month or two, so not a large percentage of the speeches I see, but it's not surprising to see an interpreter.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:47 PM
horizontal rule
807

801: happens at least twice a week to me, dunno about the rest of these fools.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:48 PM
horizontal rule
808

802: I would not have figured even he would keep digging in that particular hole.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:51 PM
horizontal rule
809

I'll second those saying that seeing ASL interpreters is not particularly uncommon. Maybe once every few weeks depending on your TV viewing habits.

More than enough to have a baseline against which this person stood out.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:52 PM
horizontal rule
810

I don't generally watch any speeches on tv, I guess, so I don't know exactly what kind of thing you're talking about. My experience is that televised versions of things almost always use captions instead of interpreters, though, even if there is an interpreter live at the event, because then they can switch cameras, zoom in and out, etc. I don't remember the last time I saw an interpreter on a television show. (other than accidental shots every once in a while, not meant for actual access).

Regardless, the experience of watching somebody talking while there is an interpreter somewhere in the vicinity (in a corner of the screen, at the edge of the stage) is quite different than watching someone talking with an interpreter standing right next to them. I think the former makes it easy to ignore the interpreter in favor of looking at the speaker, while the later makes it difficult.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:53 PM
horizontal rule
811

I've gone many, many years without seeing an ASL intepreter. I have no idea what people are watching on the TV that I'm not.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:54 PM
horizontal rule
812

More than enough to have a baseline against which this person stood out.

Except you all are saying "this person stood out", and I (who actually use ASL interpreters, far more often than every few weeks) am saying that no, she didn't. That is what competent ASL interpreting looks like.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:55 PM
horizontal rule
813

I didn't mean on TV.

I was also sort of being a smartass what with [ SOOBC ].


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 1:55 PM
horizontal rule
814

725: Glad for this aspect, sorry for the other.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:03 PM
horizontal rule
815

812: As someone who understands ASL, you're in a different position with respect to looking at someone speaking ASL than people who don't understand it. I do see ASL interpreters reasonably often, as I said, and they're easy to ignore, because I don't understand what they're saying. Presumably, you don't ignore them, because you're paying attention to the content of what they're saying. Something about this woman's delivery made her interesting to watch, despite the fact that I still didn't understand her -- you might not have picked up on whatever the difference is, because you, again, had the ability to pay attention to what she was saying rather than how she was saying it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:03 PM
horizontal rule
816

Right. She is a super special signer and only the hearing people who don't know ASL can tell.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:06 PM
horizontal rule
817

Or to put it another way, you can't reasonably say that she objectively didn't stand out. The internet reaction may have been irritating/tacky/exoticising, but it was a reaction, and I don't think it can be attributed to having been the first ASL interpreter the people reacting had ever seen. I had a similar reaction independently, and I've seen ASL interpreters before as well. If people noticed her, that's the definition of standing out.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:07 PM
horizontal rule
818

"Standing out" doesn't mean that she was a better ASL interpreter than someone I would have tuned out as not my problem. All it means was that I found her interesting to watch.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:08 PM
horizontal rule
819

816: That's right! It's sort of like how only people who knew nothing about classical music could appreciate the genius of the guy in Shine.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:10 PM
horizontal rule
820

808: til now, it's seemed obvious that Obama should ignore him. Now, though, I wonder if he should televise a press conference, pull out the relevant documents, and then turn to the camera and call Trump a piece of human garbage and ask him to give his $5 million to the Red Cross by the end of business that day. Celebrity culture really is toxic. Really.

(File this as #4726 in the comment series, "Why Von Wafer sheds a tear, Iron Eyes Cody style, for America.")


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:11 PM
horizontal rule
821

I went with til rather than till there, and it felt good. So thanks for all the input earlier, everyone.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:11 PM
horizontal rule
822

#6 Von Wafer (see various).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:14 PM
horizontal rule
823

You all noticed that signer because she's cute. It's OK, we can admit it, we're adults here. There's nothing wrong with having a dynamic ass.

820 sounds like a good plan.

Also, I am loving the Romney canned goods drive when the Red Cross didn't want canned goods. It's kind of a neat summary of the manifold failings of the conservative response to disaster relief.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:15 PM
horizontal rule
824

820: And let the world see that he got As in Islamic Studies and Marxism? I don't think so.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:15 PM
horizontal rule
825

(b) comments that appear to be motivated by the general attitude of "OMG Sign Language is so amazing and expressive and this lady is doing such an amazing job". How would you know?

This may depress you, but I've been mostly seeing comments to the effect of "Wow what a drama queen! Lady, we just need the gestures, not your crazy embellished facial expressions."

Then someone from the 5-10% of people who have ever seen an ASL interpreter before (not me, I admit; or at least not on TV) try to interject something to the effect that facial expressions are actually part of ASL, not just hands.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:16 PM
horizontal rule
826

Well, I'm guessing the reason you paid attention to her (and not to the other interpreters you've seen) is that she was standing right next to the person talking, and the content of what was being said was a little more compelling to you than most speeches are.

Regardless of why you and everybody else paid attention, the things that are being said about why she "stands out" are all things that get said to me, all of my deaf friends, and every interpreter I know, every random time some new hearing person randomly pays attention to somebody signing for the first time. "It's so expressive!" "It seems a little over the top!" "the facial expressions are a little much" "I could totally tell what you were talking about!" "I couldn't stop watching even though I couldn't tell what you were saying!" The fact that a bunch of hearing people are now saying them about an interpreter who was recently in an unusually high-profile position doesn't convince me that there is anything at all unusual about the way she was signing.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:17 PM
horizontal rule
827

822: it is a well-known fact that I am history's greatest monster. And I don't even have a thing to say about the ASL interpreter. But I feel certain that if I did have something to say about her, it would be monstrous.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:18 PM
horizontal rule
828

So what I noticed is that the signs seemed unusually big but also very crisp. Maybe that's a product of the subject matter.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
829

And the setting, I bet- you're on stage, you want things to be easy to see from a distance and show up okay on camera too.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:21 PM
horizontal rule
830

To defuse this argument, I didn't notice the ASL translator until the Internet did because I don't even have a tv.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:21 PM
horizontal rule
831

I've certainly attended speeches where there was an ASL interpreter, but they were off to the side of the stage and I didn't notice what they were doing because I was looking at the speaker. Never seen a situation before where they have to be in the same camera shot. There was definitely a somewhat comic effect.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:23 PM
horizontal rule
832

Cute, high-profile situation, camera angle, and standing next to Bloomberg get you all the way to highly noticeable. Mode of signing doesn't have to enter into it at all.

(I've only watched the video since after you guys started talking about it).


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
833

829: I could imagine that. I've seen people signing in a lecture hall and (on video) doing chants at a march, and it didn't seem quite like either of those; more insistent (or something) than the former and more deliberate than the latter. Which, sure, makes a ton of sense. But adjusting to the situation in such a way as to maximize her ability to communicate urgent information makes her better at (that part of) her job than, for instance, Bloomberg.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:28 PM
horizontal rule
834

832.1.last: it did, though, although your framing is going to make me come off all "I read it for the articles", sexisto.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:30 PM
horizontal rule
835

Or not very good! She's technically supposed to be matching the prosody of the speaker so if he was being all monotone-y and she wasn't, that's kind of going outside the interpreter role and into content creation.

(I have no idea if Bloomberg was or was not speaking in a monotone.)


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:31 PM
horizontal rule
836

835.1: could be that's why people noticed. She's totally running for mayor.

(I don't remember him speaking in a monotone. He's just an extremely boring human.)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
837

I also kind of suspect that a lot of the interpreters people see are just not very good. Good interpreters are absolutely more fun to watch than mediocre ones, and there are* a disappointingly large number of mediocre interpreters out there getting hired for stuff.

*is? how does English work?


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:34 PM
horizontal rule
838

I have no idea if Bloomberg was or was not speaking in a monotone

Please. He makes my speaking style sound like MLK in comparison.


Posted by: Ben Stein | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:35 PM
horizontal rule
839

He's always speaking in an irritatingly nasal monotone -- Bloomberg has the flattest affect I've ever seen on an elected official. Possibly she was, understandably, emotionally revved up because of the storm, and that's what was coming across? Because come to think, from the way she's being described as his regular interpreter, I've probably seen her interpret for him before and never noticed her.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:36 PM
horizontal rule
840

That is, if she usually matches his horrible nasal drone with the ASL equivalent, and last night she was emoting, that would explain why she popped off the screen last night.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:38 PM
horizontal rule
841

837.1: I completely buy that. For one thing, a lot of the people doing the hiring might not be good judges of what they're hiring for.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:38 PM
horizontal rule
842

Or just the contrast, if he sounded blah and she looked emotionally engaged, people would I think automatically pay more attention to her than him.

I still don't think she was being overtly over the top though (other than that she apparently wasn't being accurate about the spoken prosody). And I have definitely complained about interpreters being overemotive- it's a very common failing especially in newer interpreters.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:43 PM
horizontal rule
843

(other than that she apparently wasn't being accurate about the spoken prosody)

Maybe she just has such a finely honed (in) sense of the tiny variations in his prosody that she was matching how he would have been speaking if he had a normal human's expressive range.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:49 PM
horizontal rule
844

This interpreter is not nearly as good.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:51 PM
horizontal rule
845

Maybe she's sleeping with him.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:51 PM
horizontal rule
846

Sort of like Obama's anger interpreter?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:51 PM
horizontal rule
847

Also her fingernails are too long.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
848

Obama's anger interpreter is sleeping with Michael Bloomberg?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
849

847 is definitely to 845.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:52 PM
horizontal rule
850

844: that would totally have been my guess!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:55 PM
horizontal rule
851

846 to 843.

844: If she's conveying an irritating-to-listen-to drone that makes you want to kick her in the shins, then she's excellent.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 2:55 PM
horizontal rule
852

French is exotic!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:00 PM
horizontal rule
853

your mom is exotic.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:01 PM
horizontal rule
854

No, you are French with Latin. That's a dead exotic language.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:05 PM
horizontal rule
855

html fail


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:05 PM
horizontal rule
856

Context

What's wrong with 844?


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:06 PM
horizontal rule
857

She's just not as fluent. Some vocabulary errors, a lot of weird transitions and minor pronunciation errors. You can understand her but it takes more work and she's clearly less comfortable with the language.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:09 PM
horizontal rule
858

I was thinking, vaguely, that it must be hard to find interpreters -- the population of hearing ASL speakers who are really, solidly, native-speaker-fluent can't be that big.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:11 PM
horizontal rule
859

I think part of the "amusement factor" here is coming from the material. Signs for things like trees falling over and winds blowing are probably more "entertaining" than a randomly chosen sentence, and when you've got lots of instensifiers (e.g. "heavy winds") you end up with more grammatical facial expressions that people may find funny. On the latter point, people might not be used to seeing grammatical ASL facial grammar.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:18 PM
horizontal rule
860

It varies a lot by geographical location. There are tons of really good interpreters in DC. (Although also tons of terrible ones who should be kneecapped for showing up at my doctor's appointments and pretending they know ASL). The town where I am now now has a lot because the state school for the deaf is here, and a correspondingly big adult deaf population. Missoula (MT) is a similar sized town but has just a handful of interpreters because there are barely any deaf people there.

Overall though I think the issues are from hearing people who are willing to hire shitty, uncertified interpreters more than that there aren't enough good ones. There are always plenty of people who don't actually know the language but who will say they do if it gets them a job.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:18 PM
horizontal rule
861

French sounded much better to me when I understood less of it and then sounded better again as I forgot lots of it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:22 PM
horizontal rule
862

He's always speaking in an irritatingly nasal monotone -- Bloomberg has the flattest affect I've ever seen on an elected official.

Actually, that's my favorite thing about Bloomberg.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:25 PM
horizontal rule
863

I suspected that something like "shitty, non-fluent interpreters are the baseline most people see" would be the explanation. I've seen ASL interpreters before but I have no real idea whether they were properly emotive or not. If in Callis' case I was seeing someone doing it uncommonly right, that explains why it comes off to uneducated eyes like this only with actual signing.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:30 PM
horizontal rule
864

(Of course, if the publicly-known baseline for ASL interpretation is really that rubbish, then the "Callis is awesome" camp is more forgivable. Not that she's awesome awesome or anything, she would just be awesome compared to the shitty standard they're accustomed to and competent in the eyes of someone who actually knows something.)


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:34 PM
horizontal rule
865

God, oudemia. That's awful. I don't know whether what I'm about to say qualifies as a comment along the lines of your DC friend's e-mail, but here goes. A family friend had relatives whose house burnt down which is not quite as bad as losing more than one house and having your whole region flooded. They were rich and had a ski cabin to decamp to, but they lost pretty much everything in the house including all of their old photos. What she did was to gather up a bunch of family photos so that they'd have something. That might just get in the way during a large-scale disaster, but I think they appreciated it a lot during a difficult time.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:39 PM
horizontal rule
866

I like to watch ASL interpreters to see how much I can pick up with my tiny ASL vocabulary, sort of like reading the English subtitles when I'm watching a movie in French.

Messily, is the interpreter in 844 using a name sign for Obama around 1:35?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:41 PM
horizontal rule
867

The obvious thing to do is to find someone else signing on a different topic who is comparably fluent and see whether people who don't know any sign find the same sort of entertainment value. There must be plenty of other examples on youtube.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:42 PM
horizontal rule
868

it looks like a variant of 'president' but made with O hands. That's not a sign I've seen anyone else use but maybe it's a New York thing.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 3:47 PM
horizontal rule
869

Agree with the comments above that the contrast between her and Bloomberg was a big contributing factor.

With the two of them standing right next to each other and Bloomberg being such a drone, the impression was that he couldn't manage any sort of emotional response to the threat of the city being deluged and so hired her to do it instead.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:01 PM
horizontal rule
870

867: maybe this?


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:12 PM
horizontal rule
871

It would be ironic after all the blather about George W Bush cancelling the election of 2008 if the decision were made to postpone this year's due to the storm. Tin foil hats for everyone!


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 4:37 PM
horizontal rule
872

Hm. 870 is much awesomer than 844 but maybe less awesome than the original signer. 870 is similarly good about using a nice generous signing space (right? is that what you call it?) and is nicely fluent but maybe the signing space is not quite as big or well defined as the signer in 844 and the actual content maybe is more repetitive?

I don't fucking know. Anyhow I would rank them in order of fun-ness to an alingual dumbass as: 1. original, 2. 870, 3. 844.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:10 PM
horizontal rule
873

Yeah, I'm with 872.2.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:13 PM
horizontal rule
874

The actual content in 870 is not that interesting (she's talking about the administrative fallout from a situation involving embezzlement and falsified exam scores). So there's no falling trees or flooding to be described.

I think it's funny that you list "bigger signing space" as a positive attribute. It's one of my pet peeves. Keep your elbows in! You're wasting time, making all those signs so big! (this has very little to do with anything, I just think it's funny.)

I don't really know what "well defined" means in this context though.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:24 PM
horizontal rule
875

Okay what about THIS one.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:27 PM
horizontal rule
876

I don't really know what "well defined" means in this context though.

So like, in the original Bloomberg press conference there was some sign that involved putting either one or both arms with fingers down, palm perpendicular to the plane of her body. It involved this like big movement but you got the sense she ended in a very precise spot. It felt a little like a pitcher hitting the corner of the strike zone, or something.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:31 PM
horizontal rule
877

875: that... is kind of great. Do caps get busted at some point in that story?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:34 PM
horizontal rule
878

No. There's a monster and a chase scene though.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:52 PM
horizontal rule
879

875.--Total hottie. The sign language seems awesome too, but I have no idea.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 5:53 PM
horizontal rule
880

Not reading the thread before I comment, sorry, and at this point I'm sure it's looong since off topic, but we got through Sandy with no problems but a slightly leaky roof. My fiance got a scrape on her hand because she fell down on wet concrete, but that's more my fault than anything else.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:02 PM
horizontal rule
881

You shouldn't pee on the concrete, even in a hurricane. Now you know.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:06 PM
horizontal rule
882

You can get concrete sinks if you must pee on concrete.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:10 PM
horizontal rule
883

You shouldn't pee on the concrete

You're not the new boss of me.


Posted by: Opinionated Pete Townshend | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:19 PM
horizontal rule
884

I don't know what 875 is about, but it looks like great storytelling.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:24 PM
horizontal rule
885

883 is funny.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:26 PM
horizontal rule
886

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/big-sky-big-money/


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:45 PM
horizontal rule
887

So after two days stuck in New York (it was actually delightful, but I had to get home and do work eventually), I got a great deal on a one-way rental and drove back up to Boston. It was too easy -- almost no traffic, the fancy parkways north of NYC all cleared of debris. I have a bit of survivor's guilt now, like I should be driving back and forth to NYC and bringing people out.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:51 PM
horizontal rule
888

Yes! Bring the NYC commenters up here, so they can huddle in a bar in a pathetic imitation of the meetup they could have had at Fresh Salt!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 7:53 PM
horizontal rule
889

Smearcase declined my invitation; they might want him to go to work one of these days.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:01 PM
horizontal rule
890

Way late to the last few hundred comments, but: sorry about your bad news, oudemia. That really sucks.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:03 PM
horizontal rule
891

Way off-topic: which syllables are stressed when pronouncing "Calvados"? A waiter corrected me tonight and was probably right, since I've been basically pronouncing it as if it was Spanish.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:17 PM
horizontal rule
892

I like to imagine that 891 is a direct result of the hurricane.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:18 PM
horizontal rule
893

"No no, no trees down. No water. Our neighborhood came through pretty much okay. Except... well, I've been pronouncing Calvados wrong. Yeah, we're getting through it."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:20 PM
horizontal rule
894

That said, I just googled and, huh, I was also pronouncing it wrong.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:30 PM
horizontal rule
895

We are too having a meetup, even if we can't do it at Fresh Salt; we don't need your help to huddle pathetically. If absolutely necessary, I will even host, though I should caveat that invitation by noting that we finished off the Calvados last Friday.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:30 PM
horizontal rule
896

I'd like to know the answer to 891 as well.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 8:59 PM
horizontal rule
897

Apparently I was going back and forth between two more or less incorrect pronunciations.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:00 PM
horizontal rule
898

I just saw some photos of Fresh Salt. Probably not going to be ready for a meetup this week.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:04 PM
horizontal rule
899

It depends on whether you are speaking English or French, and how pompous of an English speaker you are. However in neither English nor French is the middle syllable stressed and it's a short a in both. Also I believe the French do pronounce the S and otherwise it's pronounced about as you'd expect for a French word, with a raised inflection (not sure if this the right term; your voice goes up) on the last syllable.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:08 PM
horizontal rule
900

Cal-vuh-dose.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:10 PM
horizontal rule
901

With the main difference between English and French being whether or not you say it with a comical French accent.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:12 PM
horizontal rule
902

Well, I guess in English the first syllable is more stressed, and the last syllable less stressed.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:16 PM
horizontal rule
903

Sorry to hear about oudemia's losses. It sounds like her part of the state was the hardest hit, maybe in the whole country.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:36 PM
horizontal rule
904

Wikipedia suggests El Tigre is correct about the French pronunciation of "Calvados" (accent on the last syllable), although you have to click through a couple levels to the explanation of French stress to get the full story, on account of the usual Wikipedia purism about IPA transcription.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:49 PM
horizontal rule
905

I pronounce "Tigre" like the name of that animal in the Winnie the Pooh tales.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:55 PM
horizontal rule
906

Raciste.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:56 PM
horizontal rule
907

Huh, by not drinking alcohol, I think I had the French pronunciation of Calvados correct since I only thought of it as a region. I don't think I've ever said it, but I've heard it.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 9:58 PM
horizontal rule
908

In other liquor-related news, my continuing experimentation with bourbon, now informed by consulting old Unfogged threads on the topic, has led me to Evan Williams. As those threads indicated, it is both cheaper than Beam and astonishingly better, even to my highly unrefined palate.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:00 PM
horizontal rule
909

I'm still not sure I have the temperament (or the tolerance) to be a hard liquor guy, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:04 PM
horizontal rule
910

Whenever I see "Tigre" I think of discussing Ethiopian politics with taxi drivers.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:30 PM
horizontal rule
911

Teo, have you tried Bushmills 12?


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:31 PM
horizontal rule
912

I have not.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:32 PM
horizontal rule
913

910: You can take the boy out of DC...


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:33 PM
horizontal rule
914

910 takes me back. I used to be good friends with a Tigrean. He was a hotel worker, not a taxi driver, but we did discuss Ethiopian politics, which are (or were at the time) pretty depressing.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:34 PM
horizontal rule
915

There's probably an interesting regional (?) breakdown between those who see "Tigre" and think "Ethiopian" and those who see it and think "tiger."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:35 PM
horizontal rule
916

The Amharic cab drivers in DC didn't have much good to say about Tigreans. But always a good laugh about Rastafarians.

Anyway, the flag of Tigray is striking: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Et_tigray.svg&page=1


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:39 PM
horizontal rule
917

The Amharic cab drivers in DC didn't have much good to say about Tigreans

Tigreans seem to be pretty much the same way. Except that they had respect for Amharic monks (my friend used to say "where you've got monks, you've got culture").


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-30-12 10:47 PM
horizontal rule
918

I should go to bed. I have to get up at 4:00 to fly to the Arctic. I'll leave you all with a good fuckin' comic.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:14 AM
horizontal rule
919

I would predict that if you put the guy in 875 next to Bloomberg on TV that millions of people are watching, he'd also go viral. The woman in 870 maybe not. For example, her mouth movements are way more subdued, and her body moves less.

A really key role here is played by the fact that there's nothing else vaguely interesting happening. If Bloomberg had a powerpoint presentation or something then there'd be something else for people watching to pay attention to. Or if he weren't Bloomberg.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:06 AM
horizontal rule
920

a good fuckin' comic.

My work here is done.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:47 AM
horizontal rule
921

I realized that I forgot to include Fox's gravitas loss leader, the guy who inspired the "revealed assholes of Sandy" series:

#7 Brit Hume: "The big federal government some say is needed to deal with big problems like Sandy went home early in DC yesterday & is mostly closed today."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:00 AM
horizontal rule
922

And speaking of assholes, Former Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) told the AP Tuesday that he wasn't speaking as a Mitt Romney surrogate when he told voters in Ohio that Roe v. Wade would be safe in a Romney administration. Thanks for the clarification that it was a completely disingenuous pander, Norm. (He had been speaking to Jewish voters in Cleveland.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:05 AM
horizontal rule
923

Filming of Noah halted by storm.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 4:10 AM
horizontal rule
924

Where the snow fell during Sandy (still snowing in some areas). Primarily in the ruprecht ancestral homeland.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 4:28 AM
horizontal rule
925

This is a completely self-centered reaction, but I do find myself personally depressed by realizing that the state budget is completely hosed for the foreseeable future. This probably means another five years with no cost of living raises, and not enough pens to go around the office.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 4:58 AM
horizontal rule
926

925: It's probably for the best with the pens. They should get you guys proper desks to sit at.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 5:00 AM
horizontal rule
927

We're no longer allowed to put pens around the office or to use the disposable cups. We have to bring our own mug.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 5:26 AM
horizontal rule
928

we finished off the Calvados last Friday.

Spiteful!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 5:38 AM
horizontal rule
929

I have to get up at 4:00 to fly to the Arctic.

Neat!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:39 AM
horizontal rule
930

Wow, I thought 923 was a joke at first.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:09 AM
horizontal rule
931

I do find myself personally depressed by realizing that the state budget is completely hosed for the foreseeable future.

Would this be the case even if the economy picks up again in the next few years?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:14 AM
horizontal rule
932

889: I should have just tagged along. Work this week seems unlikely. My cow-orker had a phone conversation with my supervisor who said as much.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:38 AM
horizontal rule
933

LB are you back at work today and if so how did you get there because the news says the subways are still flooded and not operating so did you bike or are you still at home?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:40 AM
horizontal rule
934

Meanwhile, the asshole from 714 still has not gotten me any comments on the draft documents.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:41 AM
horizontal rule
935

I was going to say there's no way LB is back at work but state courts in Manhattan are starting to reopen, so who knows. Boy commuting in NYC sounds horrendous today.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:57 AM
horizontal rule
936

Still home, and for the rest of the week. We're starting to coordinate stuff by phone, but I'm not really working.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:10 AM
horizontal rule
937

We are getting some impressively stoical emails from contacts in NY. "We are working to answer your query, but due to the recent hurricane this may prove difficult". Keep those upper lips stiff, New York!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:14 AM
horizontal rule
938

936: I assume no school for the rest of the week, either? You guys are really going to need to come up with some awesome board games, or, again, feel free to take a road trip up here for a meetup. Bring the kids!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:17 AM
horizontal rule
939

awesome board games

Diplomacy. Takes forever to play.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:20 AM
horizontal rule
940

I concur. Mostly because the thought of clan Breath all sitting around playing Diplomacy is awesome.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:25 AM
horizontal rule
941

I. Hate. My. Boss.

Alex, I'll take "Status Reports Not Suitable for Facebook" for $200.


Posted by: Lady Crustacea | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:25 AM
horizontal rule
942

Maybe heebie can set up a game of Unfogged Diplomacy the way she tried to do mafia that one time. Really, playing a game sounds like about all I can manage today. Woke up at an absurdly early hour, spent the morning being confused about obvious things, just tried to go to a talk and found a locked seminar room and couldn't figure out where I was actually supposed to be. It's one of those days.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:31 AM
horizontal rule
943

Also, essear, you're not wearing any pants.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:36 AM
horizontal rule
944

941: well with that level of anonymizing you might as well go into detail.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:37 AM
horizontal rule
945

943 sounds plausible enough that I'm afraid to look down.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:41 AM
horizontal rule
946

944: Today's minor provocation is her lecture about why I should stay an extra night in [other city in my state] to attend a "holiday dinner" after a two-day meeting. It will be tedious and, I'm just guessing here, have limited food options for me. I hate work socializing and I'd rather spend a day at home before I have to fly out again for another 4-day meeting. But it's important that I attend these things to "show unity among the staff." What the fuck ever.


Posted by: Lady Crustacea | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:47 AM
horizontal rule
947

New hurricane damage assessment: We have several long cracks in the plaster walls of my son's room. Not caused by flooding, or rain, or wind, but by the the hurricane keeping my son at home all day Monday and Tuesday. He got very bored and frustrated and decided to spend some time nailing posters to the walls, without seeking parental advice as to which walls were sheetrock and which were not.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:51 AM
horizontal rule
948

If the wall is sheetrock, you just hand him a hammer and say, "Have Fun"?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:52 AM
horizontal rule
949

I actually am slightly confused as to whether it's Lady C, contrasted with Lord C, or L. Crustacea, to be contrasted with Sir Crustacea. I assume the latter, but my first thought was the former.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:53 AM
horizontal rule
950

I am at the office, after handing the boy off to my ex this morning. Pretty quiet: six of twenty people are here. The crosstown bus was super-quick, but it took nearly an hour for the next bus to get from 86th to 44th on 5th Avenue. I think I'll walk home.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:53 AM
horizontal rule
951

949: CRUSTACEANS ÜBER ALLES.

I don't even know what a castock is.


Posted by: Lady Crustacea | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:58 AM
horizontal rule
952

948: We had successfully worked together a while ago on hagning something form a sheetrock wall, involving a small hammer and very small nails. So he extrapolated the results to try with a larger hammer, much larger nails, and a 100 year old plaster wall.

His next project will be learning how to caulk.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:05 AM
horizontal rule
953

952 was me.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:06 AM
horizontal rule
954

At least it wasn't a tiled wall.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:15 AM
horizontal rule
955

I do find myself personally depressed by realizing that the state budget is completely hosed for the foreseeable future.

On the other hand, if Obama wins on Tuesday, this will present him with a ton of shovel ready opportunities for job creation. So he won't do that.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:41 AM
horizontal rule
956

They still haven't cancelled the marathon scheduled for Sunday. They need to go ahead and do that.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:44 AM
horizontal rule
957

An obstacle marathon would be awesome.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:51 AM
horizontal rule
958

I've skimmed (some of) this thread very quickly -- very sorry to hear about Oudemia's people's situation. Hopefully they can get FEMA and/or the state's emergency management association (NJEMA?) help in the short and medium term.

I actually tuned in here to see if people in PA were having trouble at the moment. I gather the storm's up there now.

My impression is that effects have been pretty localized in Maryland. 25 miles northwest of here didn't lose electricity at all, shockingly. My housemate and I ventured out into civilization around 5-ish yesterday, in part for a hot meal, and yo, everything was almost entirely normal a mere 10 miles away.

Lotta trees down in this 5-mile radius. My street was blocked off until yesterday afternoon, just numerous trees down. Our basement flooded, an inch or so, which is dealable but had never happened before. A tree has fallen on the shed in the back yard. Anyway, it's been a round of hauling things from the basement to the garage, sopping up water and wringing it out, setting up hurricane lamps (I highly approve of these!), putting fridge food on ice in a cooler. Camping! I remember it!

Anyway, power came back on a couple of hours ago. Which is a huge relief, because it was getting pretty cold.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:52 AM
horizontal rule
959

I actually am slightly confused as to whether it's Lady C, contrasted with Lord C, or L. Crustacea, to be contrasted with Sir Crustacea.

The counterpart of Lady Crustacea would not be Sir Crustacea. A knight is addressed as Sir Gengulphus, or Sir Gengulphus Crustacea; never as Sir Crustacea. His wife would be Lady Crustacea.
If Crustacea is her first name, then she would not be addressed as Lady Crustacea if she were merely the wife of a knight (vide supra). If she were the daughter of a peer, she would be Lady Crustacea Hypocaust - or just Lady Crustacea. If she were a dame in her own right, she would be Dame Crustacea. If, on the other hand, she were the spouse of Lord Crustacea, she would be correctly addressed as Lady Crustacea- unless she were a princess by birth, in which case she would remain Princess Crustacea regardless of the status of her husband.

Hope that helps.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 10:57 AM
horizontal rule
960

Good to hear you're okay, Parsimon.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:06 AM
horizontal rule
961

960. Well endorsed.

Has anybody else not reported in yet? Barry?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:10 AM
horizontal rule
962

Glad you now have power. That's got to be a mess to deal with, but at least you can be warm and lighted when you do it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:22 AM
horizontal rule
963

I would play unfogged diplomacy. One move per day, new thread each move. Rules for press are: you can broadcast white press on unfogged using your pseud, broadcast gray press on unfogged by posting presidentially, and you can contact people offline but you *must* preserve the sanctity of off-blog communication.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:28 AM
horizontal rule
964

Thanks - it's fine. I guess I didn't say that the power was out for about 36 hours, and I feel pathetic to even complain. Mostly the cold was becoming an issue; as of bedtime last night (approx. 9 p.m.) it was below 40 degrees F, holding about 50 in the house, but man.

I do have to commend our various utility crews. It was obvious on the drive back from the hot meal last night that they are heroic indeed. At least three major crews grappling with downed trees and power lines at 7 p.m. in the pitch dark.

Is Barry Freed in this area?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:30 AM
horizontal rule
965

I haven't played Diplomacy since high school. IIRC, properly played, Turkey was unbeatable.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:30 AM
horizontal rule
966

That doesn't reflect very well on the people who actually ran Turkey those years.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:32 AM
horizontal rule
967

In a 7 player game no country is unbeatable, because certainly if the other 6 teams combine the 7th will lose. What is true is that the corner powers (England and Turkey) are relatively hard to eliminate though also hard to win solo victory with, while central countries (Germany and Austria-Hungary) can die quickly but also have more opportunity to grow quickly. The only clear fact is that Italy is the worst.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:35 AM
horizontal rule
968

964. Somewhere on Long Island I think. He was muttering about flickering power yesterday and then went quiet. I'd be amazed if he was in serious trouble from what he said, but...


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:38 AM
horizontal rule
969

962: Moby or anyone else, how are people in PA doing?

One other thing I report from all this: radio news has been awful, and needs some work. This is a problem.

I had a small portable radio with batteries set up, and I was astonished that I could basically find no news as of 10 a.m. yesterday morning. What, public radio is playing a repeat of the Diane Rehm show on omega-3 fatty acids? That was a good show, true, but seriously?

One of the local television stations here has an AM station which was somewhat on-topic early morning, but switched to a call-in program in which people talked about their property insurance coverage. Seriously? I kind of wanted to know how widespread the power outage was, whether major roadways were flooded, and things like that.wants to hear emergency management information.

Maybe I was just not finding the radio station(s) that were providing this information.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:43 AM
horizontal rule
970

968: Yes, on Long Island, I forgot.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:49 AM
horizontal rule
971

people talked about their property insurance coverage

Extremely important, actually, because millions of people are going to find out they don't have flood insurance.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:50 AM
horizontal rule
972

969.1: Nothing happened at this end. Bunch of people without power at the other end but nothing like New Jersey.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 11:51 AM
horizontal rule
973

Very little problems here other than wet and chilly and snow in the ridges. In fact the blackout maps showed a much bigger group of blackouts up around Cleveland and the lakeshore than anything down here in Western PA. Been contacted for get-out-the-vote phone pools here for weekend, specifically mentioned they are concerned they will not be able to do anything close to what they wanted in Eastern PA due to ongoing power issues etc.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:01 PM
horizontal rule
974

971: Yes, I'm sure. It seemed premature, that's all. This is a call for more localized radio coverage; I consider radio reporting to be an essential service. It was only via a top-of-the-hour update that I heard that I-95 had been closed.

On a lighter note, the battery-powered portable radio I use was my grandfather's: he used to take it out on his fishing boat. I had forgotten this, but my grandmother had a habit of putting, on the bottom of every new appliance-type thing she acquired, a little piece of tape with the date of acquisition. As I was cleaning the radio up, there it was, in her hand (which I still recognize): April 1974. Oh heavens! Grammy! 1974! Your radio, I think it's still going to work!

It did.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:25 PM
horizontal rule
975

My husband works in Philly, and his office was open again today. Given that he hasn't posted any complaints on Facebook yet, I'm assuming that the commute on SEPTA went smoothly.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:30 PM
horizontal rule
976

because millions of people are going to find out they don't have flood insurance.

I was wondering about this. Do they need flood insurance? Or hurricane insurance? Is the entire east coast going to become somewhere where you'd better have hurricane insurance? Winds weren't that bad in this storm, but Al Gore Big Oil mumble mumble etc.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:40 PM
horizontal rule
977

I don't even know what a castock is.

A Castock is an heir to an ancient and prestigious name in aglet manufacture, dating back to the Royal aglet suppliers known as the "Queen's needlers" of Elizabethan England. As such a Castock is pride, dignity, and an impatience with leaving matters, as it were, at a frayed end.

A Castock is also a romantic, a lover, a fighter, a wise soul in a young body destined to become an obnoxious adolescent soul in a dirty old man's body, and a believer in such Old World values as noblesse oblige, do ut des and ius prima noctis.

A Castock is more than anything else a state of mind, in particular that noble and labile state of mind wherein one thinks: "I like soup. I'd better stop posting on Unfogged and get some work done. Maybe I'll have a cup of coffee. Where did I leave my keys? Oh, shit, another e-mail. Devo did a really great version of this song. Yeah, coffee with a little cream would be really good right now. I'd better stop posting on Unfogged and get some work done."


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:41 PM
horizontal rule
978

A cool languagelog post on Bloomberg's signer


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:50 PM
horizontal rule
979

It is no wonder that I love castock.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:51 PM
horizontal rule
980

A Castock is also a romantic, a lover, a fighter

...who really loves your peaches and wants to shake your tree.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:54 PM
horizontal rule
981

573: Ok, subways not all the way down to Houston tomorrow, but to 34th.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:54 PM
horizontal rule
982

980: It is a felony in 17 states to try to activate that earworm.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 12:58 PM
horizontal rule
983

It is a felony in 17 states to try to activate that earworm.

I know, fuck. I was hoping that something would enter my brain to drive out the thought of all those NYC rats driven out of their subterranean lairs, but I really didn't want it to be that.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:04 PM
horizontal rule
984

Castock is a constant soldier, a sometime poet, and he will be king.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:11 PM
horizontal rule
985

976:

Thousands of homeowners in New York, New Jersey and nearby states added flood insurance last year after Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee swamped much of the same area with heavy rains. . . . But many others are likely to find that their flood insurance policies have lapsed or that they wrongly assumed their homeowners' policy would cover the damage.

* * * *
Most mortgage lenders require that buyers in certain property zones have flood insurance before closing on a home purchase. But relatively few monitor compliance with the requirement when the coverage expires, meaning that some homeowners inevitably allow their policies to lapse.

Even those who are current in their federal flood policies could find that all of their losses are not covered. Policies on residences of any type are limited to coverage limits of $250,000 on the structures and $100,000 of contents, and businesses are bound by $500,000 in building coverage and another $500,000 in contents.

From the temporarily paywall-free New York Times.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:11 PM
horizontal rule
986

that earworm

That is one particular earworm? I thought it was a widely used reference in lots of different songs.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:14 PM
horizontal rule
987

986: It's the combination in 980 that makes it specific. And now I have the earworm and the rats in my head. No, the rats can't eat the earworm.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:17 PM
horizontal rule
988

Take it to 1000 before boredom sets in, what say. Some commenters haven't been heard from, and I certainly want to know if Castock has anything further to express of itself.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:30 PM
horizontal rule
989

No one cares about the rats? You know they're out there by the millions, gnawing away with their sharp yellow teeth at whatever foul crud the city belched up during the surge. I wouldn't go out at night without a flamethrower.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:49 PM
horizontal rule
990

I'd be interested in his opinion on my idea of moving Big Capitalism to Canada so it can be strangled in a bathtub.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:50 PM
horizontal rule
991

989 -- I'd like to know why the Internet does not have, readily available for free, the Tale of the Giant Rat of Sumatra.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:54 PM
horizontal rule
992

Oh!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 1:57 PM
horizontal rule
993

NYC rats are puny. The thick Chicago accents are hard to make out in the video, but this agreeable fellow is a cousin to the stalwart owners of the Clark & Division subway station.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:17 PM
horizontal rule
994

990: Big Capitalism already came to Canada and replaced our bathtub with a plutocrat-safe Halliburton model. Sorry.

I actually went and got some work done! Sort of.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:19 PM
horizontal rule
995

990: Big Capitalism

Counter-earworm (for some reason I found it necessary to do the whole song).

Coo coo it's cold outside. Coo coo it's cold outside.
Ooo coo coo. Don't forget your mittens.

Hey Pal! How do I get to town from here?
And he said: Well just take a right where
they're going to build that new shopping mall,
go straight past where they're going to put in the freeway,
take a left at what's going to be the new sports center,
and keep going until you hit the place where
they're thinking of building that drive-in bank.
You can't miss it. And I said: This must be the place.

Ooo coo coo. Golden cities. Golden towns.
Golden cities. Golden towns.
And long cars in long lines and great big signs
and they all say: Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo.
Every man for himself. Ooo coo coo.
Golden cities. Golden towns. Thanks for the ride.

Big Capitalism. Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo.

You know. I think we should put some mountains here.
Otherwise, what are all the characters going to fall off of?
And what about stairs? Yodellayheehoo. Ooo coo coo.

Here's a man who lives a life of danger.
Everywhere he goes he stays - a stranger.
Howdy stranger. Mind if I smoke? And he said:
Every man, every man for himself.
Every man, every man for himself.
All in favor say aye.

Big Capitalism. Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo.

Hey Professor! Could you turn out the lights?
Let's roll the film.

Big Capitalism. Hallelujah.
Every man, every man for himself.
Big Capitalism. Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:20 PM
horizontal rule
996

991: I'm not going to even search for it, but I bet if you do (a) you'll find it, and (b) it will be porn.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:24 PM
horizontal rule
997

Alright, I am now officially sick the fuck of anti-Chinese racism.

At the rec center the other day, this commercial comes on featuring a man speaking Chinese for an extended period of time. I don't look up to see the subtitles, but I do think it odd that any ad would feature that much uninterrupted Mandarin. Then Mitt Romney's voice comes on and says that if we don't balance the budget or something, the Chinese will drink our milkshake, or something.

Then yesterday on the radio I hear commercials from both sides accusing the other of being soft on the Chinese.

And now today I have a student posting to the course website saying that society is crumbling so you should either buy a gun or start learning Chinese.

Oh yeah, and Marvel has decided to resurrect the character The Mandarin for the new Iron Man movie.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:27 PM
horizontal rule
998

996(b) -- The episode aboard the Frigate Matilda qualifies!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:33 PM
horizontal rule
999

I am now officially sick the fuck of anti-Chinese racism

Are other forms of racism ok?

The Chinese are making a lot of very threatening moves in the South China Sea. Just sayin'


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:48 PM
horizontal rule
1000

Kobe x10!


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 2:53 PM
horizontal rule
1001

Canada's current government would welcome Big Capitalism's arrival and then try to attribute its move to the victory of 1812. Followed by a celebration of militarism and monarchy.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:09 PM
horizontal rule
1002

We haven't had a thread go to 1000 in a long time. Good work, all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:13 PM
horizontal rule
1003

999

Are other forms of racism ok?

Anti-white racism is fine (at least in certain circles).


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:27 PM
horizontal rule
1004

Good work, all.

Assholes.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:27 PM
horizontal rule
1005

I say that all friendly like.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:28 PM
horizontal rule
1006

1004 -s -> 1003


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:28 PM
horizontal rule
1007

Oh yeah? You try spewing 1000 comments of crap without some hardy assholes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:28 PM
horizontal rule
1008

Not so friendly like.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:29 PM
horizontal rule
1009

1008 -> 1006


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 3:29 PM
horizontal rule
1010

"Anti-white racism": that curious meta-phenomenon wherein one mentions the existence of white racism and, in consequently making white racists like Shearer uncomfortable, thereby becomes the Real Racist. This Real Racism is of course several orders of magnitude worse than slavery, the holocaust and the atrocities of the Indian Wars combined. The More You Know.


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 4:05 PM
horizontal rule
1011

This Real Racism is of course several orders of magnitude worse than slavery, the holocaust and the atrocities of the Indian Wars combined

Of course it is worse. It is happening right now, to meeeee. That other stuff happened before. To other people.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 4:23 PM
horizontal rule
1012

No, wait, I want to argue about Asian stuff, not the standard black-white racism. 999 was trolling ME.

Look, I'm as excited about a new oil war in the South China Sea as anyone. But really, can we manage to criticize the decisions of the Chinese gerontocracy without demonizing a whole people?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 5:49 PM
horizontal rule
1013

I think it's the East China Sea.

I do find the "better vote for me or learn to speak Mandarin" stuff amusing. The fact is, a lot of upwardly-mobile North Americans are learning to speak Mandarin, on account of China is a massive trading partner. But there's something curiously visceral about being Forced To Speak An AAAAALIEN LANGUAGE that makes it an evergreen subject for propaganda. (Right up there with "they're coming for 'your' women!")


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 5:56 PM
horizontal rule
1014

God forbid that anyone would learn Mandarin simply because it's interesting.


Posted by: YK | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:03 PM
horizontal rule
1015

I like the idea that it would be terrrrrrrrrible if a country with more than four times our population had half as much money as we did.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:08 PM
horizontal rule
1016

Fuck the Chinese, how many Divisions do they have?

...oops never mind.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:12 PM
horizontal rule
1017

As we all know, we've been here before, not a few times. I think I've mentioned, there's a bumper sticker I still see around from time to time:

If you can read this, thank a teacher!
If you're reading this in English, thank a Marine!

Back in the day, a lot of upwardly mobile North Americans were learning to speak Russian. I remember that. The bottom fell out of that market for a while; I have no idea what they're doing now. Well, one of them is an organic farmer, but that doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:14 PM
horizontal rule
1018

God forbid that anyone would learn Mandarin simply because it's interesting.

I told the students that even if society isn't collapsing, learning Chinese would be a good idea, because it is a beautiful language and home to some of the greatest philosophy in world history.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:14 PM
horizontal rule
1019

The bottom fell out of that market for a while; I have no idea what they're doing now. Well, one of them is an organic farmer, but that doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand.

Back in the day, a lot of upwardly mobile North Americans were learning to speak Russian. I believe there is a Soviet Studies major, who graduated the year the USSR broke up, who contributes to a lovely eclectic web magazine.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:17 PM
horizontal rule
1020

I remember when everyone was learning to speak Japanese. There's a specific joke in Back to the Future 1 about how all the electronics from 1985 are made in Japan.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:18 PM
horizontal rule
1021

Fuck the Chinese, how many Divisions do they have?

75 army maneuver divisions.



Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:20 PM
horizontal rule
1022

1017.last: one has moved into occasionally posting on an eclectic web magazine and making dope funk mixes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:23 PM
horizontal rule
1023

There's a specific joke in Back to the Future 1 about how all the electronics from 1985 are made in Japan.

These days, it would be made in China by a robot that was made in Japan.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:26 PM
horizontal rule
1024

1022: pwned, but I had formatting problems.

I'm at my in-law's and a little Becks-style. Certainly not btocked, though. It feels a little weird.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:28 PM
horizontal rule
1025

Department of low expectations.

I was pleased to see Governor Christie being kind to people who had ignored the orders to evacuate. I figured there were good odds that he'd rip into the 1st people who said they never thought it would affect them. The temptation for him to say I told you so...


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:28 PM
horizontal rule
1026

A couple of days ago a local daytime news anchor said something along the lines of "I guess they're not working them hard enough in those Chinese factories because the new [something or other - iPad mini?] is already sold out."


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:32 PM
horizontal rule
1027

1012

Look, I'm as excited about a new oil war in the South China Sea as anyone. But really, can we manage to criticize the decisions of the Chinese gerontocracy without demonizing a whole people?

You ever study WWII?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:34 PM
horizontal rule
1028

Screw Chinese, I'm going to take some classes and get my Spanish dialed in (yay city employee tuition reimbursement program). If I have to flee the country I like my odds of blending into Costa Rica or Argentina a lot better than China.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:42 PM
horizontal rule
1029

1019, 1022: Someone here was a Soviet Studies major?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:43 PM
horizontal rule
1030

As we walked down side streets for Halloween, saw some more significant destruction. Two trees on houses on the side street near the playground we usually go to. That makes 3 housed crushed within a 2-block radius. Added photos to the pool.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:44 PM
horizontal rule
1031

housed=houses


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:45 PM
horizontal rule
1032

1029: Never click the links.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 6:56 PM
horizontal rule
1033

Mary Catherine, how are you?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:16 PM
horizontal rule
1034

Bloomberg start some attention paid to the southern fringe of Queens.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:39 PM
horizontal rule
1035

1034: I sort of have this sinking feeling that the places that are in the worst trouble are the ones we haven't heard anything from yet.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:43 PM
horizontal rule
1036

1034: +should

Yes, NYSE opening was fine, but there probably needs to be some very basic blocking and tackling in a lot of places.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:49 PM
horizontal rule
1037

Racist.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:50 PM
horizontal rule
1038

1019: Condoleeza Rice?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 7:51 PM
horizontal rule
1039

For instance not canceling the Marathon is very poor judgment. Cancel the fucker you Manhattanite snob. Terrible optics and terrible actual waste of human energy.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:00 PM
horizontal rule
1040

997: In fairness to the Iron Man franchise, did he have any other enemies? There was the guy with the whips, the Iron Monger, and maybe some Russian dude?
1015: In fairness to the xenophobes, China's government is much worse than ours, and giving them more power is a bit worrisome.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:00 PM
horizontal rule
1041

1038: Don't burn her pseud.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:01 PM
horizontal rule
1042

terrible actual waste of human energy

Could they rig up some kind of large-scale treadmill-based charging device?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:01 PM
horizontal rule
1043

1039: I was shocked and appalled to see that it was even still being considered. Don't be a cunt you stupid fucking cunt.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:02 PM
horizontal rule
1044

1043: yeah it's pretty hard to fathom.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:04 PM
horizontal rule
1045

The interplay between 1043 and 1039 is confusing me. That said, if they run the marathon, the terrorists will finally lose. Any fool can see that. (No kidding, I think NYC's leaders have maybe gone a little overboard with the need to demonstrate backbone and forbearance in the face of tragedy. And maybe, just maybe, that's what's motivating this egregiously stupid dillydallying about cancellation. Or maybe Bloomberg wants to invent a new event: marathonchase or steeplethon.)


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:47 PM
horizontal rule
1046

I have thus far resisted making a joke about Kenyans and swimming, but only because I can't think of a way to make the cleverness outweigh the racism and tragedy.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 8:57 PM
horizontal rule
1047

Well, now you seem racist and not very funny, so that was well played.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:05 PM
horizontal rule
1048

I suppose I do. I should go to bed.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:06 PM
horizontal rule
1049

You know I was kidding, right? You're street cred is intact, man.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:07 PM
horizontal rule
1050

That was super sexist, Wafer.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:07 PM
horizontal rule
1051

I think it's maybe antisemitic, actually. But I'm cool with whatever.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:09 PM
horizontal rule
1052

No, I've been saying stupid shit all day, not just online. Stupider than normal, I mean.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:12 PM
horizontal rule
1053

You're street cred is intact, man.
See, what I should of said was "That's what I'm afraid of.".


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 10-31-12 9:17 PM
horizontal rule
1054

So I just flew back from the Arctic, and boy are my arms cold.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11- 1-12 12:59 AM
horizontal rule
1055

1045: The interplay between 1043 and 1039 is confusing me

1043 would have more accurately read "Further to 1039". You know if Bloomberg feels the need to "demonstrate backbone and forbearance in the face of tragedy" maybe concentrate on pulling off the difficult feat of holding an election a week after by hitting hit by a hurricane. But I fear he is making this decision while staring out of his metaphorical airplane window.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11- 1-12 2:42 AM
horizontal rule
1056

I endorse 1055 but disavow its typo.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11- 1-12 2:46 AM
horizontal rule
1057

1056: You'd think I could read what I have written before hitting post, but turns out I can't. Sigh. I actually think it is something of a cognitive disorder that should be named. Maybe yglesiantria (somebody who knows something about language can come up with the right suffix).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11- 1-12 2:56 AM
horizontal rule
1058

I actually read the comments on the NYTimes article*, and they are sane and 95% aligned with the 'don't run the fucking thing' position.

*And left one myself. A first! I wonder what egregious meaning-destroying error I managed to include in that one.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11- 1-12 3:00 AM
horizontal rule
1059

964 Nope, I was on LI which still doesn't have power and now just moving into Astoria which does.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11- 2-12 10:36 AM
horizontal rule