Re: Never say never

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Is this the free newspaper run by Macau brothel magnate Sheldon Adelson?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:03 PM
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Jesus Christ. Lots of sports imagery, followed by visions of streets with still vehicles in them. What the fuck is wrong with these people? We're not talking about a chess game here.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:05 PM
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We have no territorial conflict with "Gaza State," and it is not under Israeli siege

Then what is the blockade about?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:11 PM
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Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima - the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too

I'm very worried that guys like this have a big influence in the Netanyahu government.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:13 PM
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On the plus side Netanyahu's associates have also called for Israel to be destroyed upon the failure of its electorate to vote for Netanyahu, so the nihilism may cancel out.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:18 PM
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http://mediadarlings.net/2012/11/19/an-actual-conversation-with-a-jerusalem-post-reporter/


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:28 PM
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I'm not sure in what sense re-occupying the Gaza Strip would be "a conclusion", as opposed to "the setup for another 20 years of turmoil."


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 2:47 PM
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I think it only becomes the conclusion when you replace "decisive conclusion" with a similar phrase with an uglier history.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 3:00 PM
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It even rhymes!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 3:52 PM
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The latest thing on my Facebook wall making me go "wtf?" is someone trying to build a mathematical model for when it is a problem to kill innocent people on the basis of whether it leads to more terrorism down the road.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 4:11 PM
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Ian Welsh ...says the Palestinians are winning!

[Israel's] end, moral or physical, may occur through terror, demographics, war, economic collapse, military decline or more likely, some combination, but it is as close to any historical process comes to inevitability.

But Chris Hedges says Elites Will Make Gazans of Us All

The longer this worldwide disparity and inequality is perpetuated, the more the masses will revolt and the faster we will internally replicate the Israeli model of domestic control--drones overhead, all dissent criminalized, SWAT teams busting through doors, deadly force as an acceptable form of subjugation, food used as a weapon, and constant surveillance.

In Gaza and other blighted parts of the globe we see this new configuration of power. What is happening in Gaza, like what is happening to people of color in marginal communities in the United States, is the model.

What a quandary. I know, let's call a mathematician and physicist to help decide who is right.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 5:13 PM
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9: a slant rhyme, really.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 5:13 PM
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I almost posted this earlier, but I wanted to add to it. I stopped myself.

Richard Seymour Israeli Psychopath

All of this was consonant with the standards of colonial state building up to the mid-to-late twentieth century, and thus consistent with the dominant ideology in the imperialist societies whose support Israel needed. There was no problem getting the support of imperialist societies for such a project in that era. The trouble is that the anticolonial movements and the revolt against colonial ideology came just as Israel was being birthed and its power consolidated.

Now Israel is attacked by reference to standards that it was never able to adapt to or internalise, because the repressed would not stay repressed. It is attacked as a racist, colonial power when everyone had previously agreed that this was how state-building was done.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 5:20 PM
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11: I like that Hedges article.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 5:27 PM
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Chris Hedges is far too measured; Camden, N.J., is much crappier than he suggests.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 6:04 PM
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Wow:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/19/The-Onion-Goes-Anti-Semitic


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 6:12 PM
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On several recent evenings, one corner on 42nd Street and 2nd Avenue - near the Israeli consulate - has been filled with Pro-Palestine protesters, and the opposite corner has been filled with Pro-Israel protesters. They are in a battle to shout each other down. Its creepy... like a pep rally for war.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 6:12 PM
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How does this thread not have 500 angry comments, obscure statements from leaders of Hamas, tedious arguments about international law, and aggressive denunciations of anti-semitism/anti-Islamism. It's like you've found the antidote to the internet.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 8:53 PM
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That stuff all goes on Facebook these days.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:03 PM
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Is everyone reading 972 magazine? They are awesome.


Posted by: Katherine | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:04 PM
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Because everyone has seen this movie so many times that there's nothing new to say about it.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:04 PM
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Yeah, that too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:10 PM
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21 - We could criticize the self-hating Jewish-owned press, that might be novel for a few minutes.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:13 PM
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We could praise the post title which walks a fine line between subtlety and tastelessness.


Posted by: Mr. Snrub | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:14 PM
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@18

You only said that because you're an Islamofascist.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:15 PM
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How does this thread not have 500 angry comments, obscure statements from leaders of Hamas, tedious arguments about international law, and aggressive denunciations of anti-semitism/anti-Islamism. It's like you've found the antidote to the internet.

You need two sides for a fight. Is anyone here pro-Israel?


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:15 PM
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26: yes, but not in a way that anyone here could understand.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:20 PM
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23 is particularly odd because if there's one person who knows who owns the press, it's Rupert Murdoch. I don't really know who owns the non-Murdoch UK papers, but I believe that the only major "press" organization in the United States that is even remotely plausibly described as Jewish-owned these days is the New York Times.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:31 PM
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I took it as irony. In the Princeton French department sense of the word.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:46 PM
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Relatedly, I've had to stop reading NRO again because the recent coverage of the Gaza strip was bringing me close to aneurism.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 9:57 PM
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I have that Romeo Void song stuck in my head now.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 10:15 PM
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I think this conflict is one of the very few in which one could say, "both sides do it", be correct, and then be called anti-{$group} by both sides.


Posted by: Grumbles | Link to this comment | 11-19-12 10:57 PM
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Yeah, it's like the sacred journalist principle of "if both sides hate us we must be balanced" has been totally forgotten.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 5:12 AM
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23 is particularly odd because if there's one person who knows who owns the press, it's Rupert Murdoch.

Also *odd* given his testimony that he wouldn't dream of interfering editorially with the papers he owns.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 6:13 AM
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Why dream when you can do.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 6:50 AM
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To avoid stds?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 6:54 AM
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If one of his papers gave Rupert Murdoch STDs I'm sure they would be well-earned.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 7:05 AM
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when you replace "decisive conclusion" with a similar phrase with an uglier history.

As it happens, the phrase "endg├╝ltiger Sieg" has an ugly history, too.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 7:18 AM
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This is an unusually bitchy NY Times headline, right?

"After Obama, Christie Wants a G.O.P. Hug"


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 8:00 AM
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"a slant rhyme, really."
Racist!

Sodium and nitrate ions,
it is my decisive conclusion,
will never precipitate;
NaNO3 is a final solution.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 10:14 AM
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@33: I think you missed the 'correct' qualifier.

That's OK, though. Both sides do it.


Posted by: Grumbles | Link to this comment | 11-20-12 9:20 PM
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40 suffering dead thread lack of appreciation. Comment left as a partial corrective to that situation.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:01 AM
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I could have linked it in another thread, but then I read something about how sodium nitrate can actually be used as an ingredient in a solution used to strip fillings from corpses and decided maybe it should linger in obscurity.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:11 AM
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Edgy.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:14 AM
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You're working on some dark chuckles lately, SP.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:51 AM
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Mitt Romney as he looks to be about to embark on a Falling Down style rampage.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:56 AM
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40 suffering dead thread lack of appreciation.

Heretofore known as DTLA (duh-TEE-la).


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 11:43 AM
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DTLA.

Explictness is my weakness.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 12:28 PM
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46: I don't want to oversell the benefits of alcohol, but this seems like a case where being able to relax and have a beer would be a good thing.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 12:41 PM
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49: Mitt Romney calls into the Jimmy Dore Show.

"You mean the God who didn't make me President? I'm going to give money to that guy? No, sir. From now on it's all coffee and hookers for the Mitt man.
...
See ya' when I fuck ya'."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 1:54 PM
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So why did this end in ceasefire and no ground invasion? I'm tempted to speculate about the differences between this and Lebanon in 2006.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:23 PM
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Insert "We can't know, because we weren't at the table" caveats as desired. Halford.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:29 PM
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51: I've decided, for no particular reason, to give the credit to our girl Hilary.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:11 PM
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Sexist.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:13 PM
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