Re: Pro Se Litigants Can Bite Me

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Boo. That sucks.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 2:58 PM
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You're not wasting your holiday because of a nimrod. You're participating in a system that allows everyone the protection of the courts. Or something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 2:59 PM
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I am going to be up all night making pie

some nimrod is flinging poo at one of my clients

One of these statements is a euphemism.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:01 PM
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How come the things need to be responded to so quickly?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:02 PM
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So Po Etry clients are better?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:03 PM
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I sympathize. I am still at work trying to repack an upset applecart. Senior people who won't make a decision until far too late (and when they do, they upset months of planning). Feh!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:03 PM
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You're participating in a system that allows everyone the protection of the courts.

Actually, the furshlugginer court is supposed to be protecting my client from this variety of poo, but sometimes 'rubberstamping' isn't just an expression. I should stop talking details before I grow indiscreet, though.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:04 PM
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Just leaving work. And pretty much the last one here. Actually got to clean up a bunch of loose ends. Delete some old websites and the like. A very satisfactory day.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:05 PM
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It doesn't sound like the nimrod deserves any pie at all.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:06 PM
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7 to 4.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:06 PM
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3: LB's growing indiscreet
Yes, she's growing indiscreet
She really thinks so.

LB's growing indiscreet
Yes, she's growing indiscreet
She really thinks so.



Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:11 PM
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My sister is leading a discussion session or something like that later this afternoon/early evening.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:13 PM
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sounds like you've got your work cut out for you.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:14 PM
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12: IYKWIMAITYD.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:14 PM
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Sympathy! An order of magnitude more frustrating when you're not being paid by the hour to deal with it, too, I bet.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:24 PM
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I hope this doesn't mean that my review will be delayed.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:43 PM
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Lots of sympathy.

I wonder if I should try to find turkey to eat tomorrow. Probably not.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:48 PM
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16: Unless you can convince me that I'm at risk for being sanctioned for contempt of commenter, it may. May not, but may.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 3:52 PM
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|| I know there have been a billion bourbon threads but is Elijah Craig well thought of here? I just bought some to take to Thanksgiving. My mother and sister don't drink but my father does and, perhaps most to the point, I do.
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Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:06 PM
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you're well behind on those sanction payments already. soon it will be time to garnish.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:07 PM
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Expand your t-day horizons. Sara Lee pumpkin cheesecake is quite tasty and the arduous cooking process involves pulling it out of the freezer and letting it defrost for a few hours. No need to stay awake.

*Caveat: my last year's Thanksgiving was unparalleled in its awfulness, so we have thrown all traditions away, making it much easier to decide not to have pie.


Posted by: Sarah Wynde | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:11 PM
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soon it will be time to garnish.

Don't remind me how far behind I am on cooking tomorrow's dinner.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:12 PM
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I am still at work, and after I go to the ex's and pay the nanny my half of her wages I may well be coming back here.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:12 PM
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Furshlugginer sounds like made up Yiddish, which usually means it's actual Yiddish.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:14 PM
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It's MAD magazine for all I know -- could be real Yiddish, could be mock Yiddish.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:21 PM
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Pro se litigants can bite themselves.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:25 PM
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md 20/400: that has been my jam since March. Fucking March. I'm not an SES so that seems wrong.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:30 PM
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Apparently people who don't "support our troops" can be fired for it.

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Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:32 PM
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From a completely amoral standpoint, the idea that chaffing the system with nonsense makes lawyers angry both explains why lawyers hate pro se actors, and suggests a tactic applicable in certain contexts.

...I empathize in your direction. Clients in my line of work do a very analogous thing. Quote of the day: "Can you change that before 3, because I need to drive to Tahoe tonight."


Posted by: Grumbles | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:41 PM
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suggests a tactic applicable in certain contexts.

The thing is, it's a tactic very successful at making low-level litigators (hi!) unhappy. It's almost completely useless in achieving other ends, including annoying their clients. If you have an enemy, and the enemy has a lawyer, you can't easily harass your enemy with psycho litigation tactics: one of the duties of the lawyer is to insulate their client from that sort of thing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:46 PM
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I don't understand why it takes hours to fend off what the other guy can do in minutes.

28 -- In most states, people who don't like pumpkin pie can be fired for it.

|| A guy I used to know pretty well is suddenly at the center of a lurid sex scandal. He struck me as pretty square, but that was some years ago. I guess you never really know.|>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:49 PM
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|| OK, lurid by DC standards, which is a very low bar.|>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:51 PM
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So you knew shirtless FBI guy when he was in Seattle I take it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:52 PM
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I don't understand why it takes hours to fend off what the other guy can do in minutes.

Seriously, Charley? He scrawls a couple of sentences on a scrap of paper. To respond, I need to write an affidavit and a brief. It doesn't have to be terribly exciting, but it's got to have facts and caselaw. I'm not going to be working all weekend, but this shit came in this afternoon, and has to be ready to go out the door Monday morning, and that has to include the two-level review that everything that goes out of my government bureaucrat office has to get, and that I am not allowed to skip because I'm trying to do things fast.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 4:54 PM
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You're in a different kind of court than the ones I'm in.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:06 PM
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Well, I'll be stuck at work until about 2 am tonight (and then have to get up first thing in the morning to start prepping the house for way more guests than can actually fit in it), and don't have much actual work to do in that time, so feel free to turn this into a long, interesting thread. We could discuss, I don't know, '70s Doonesbury? It was never really as good again after the hiatus in the early '80s.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:07 PM
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I'm in a different kind of office than the one you're in. If I were allowed to rely on my own judgment, I might brush this shit off with a quick letter to the court. My supervisors and clients don't have any tolerance for risk that we might be seen to have defaulted in any sense of the word.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:09 PM
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I'm stuck at the office hand-addressing 45 letters.

Looks like I'm about 20% done though.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:13 PM
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a pro se litigant who bites himself has a duel with his client.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:18 PM
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LizardBreath, do you spy on people for the nsa or something?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:18 PM
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It looks to be real Yiddish (D. verschlagen, although Wiktionary gives the Yiddish word a different meaning than the German).


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:20 PM
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It's true, my submissions get shorter every year. And only caselaw where I actually need it.

I'm home now, but will be working much of the weekend as well. Got a filing in Crow court next week.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:22 PM
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40 -- She wouldn't say.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:25 PM
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40: Would I tell you if I did?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:26 PM
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On Thanksgiving a pro se litigant has a drool with his client -- because the smells are so salivating!


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:27 PM
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long ago, tracking a star through a desert, a little drummer boy and a pro se litigant (and many others) came between a mule and his client.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:29 PM
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Would I tell you if I did?

cover blown.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:30 PM
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Is there some way this can turn into a honey trap?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:33 PM
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And I was being a drama queen, I'm done until Monday. Still fucks up my pie-baking schedule: the crusts are made but I still have to roll, do fillings, and bake.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:39 PM
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Apparently people who don't "support our troops" can be fired for it.

Jesus. Calling Corey Robin!


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:43 PM
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The thing is, it's a tactic very successful at making low-level litigators (hi!) unhappy. It's almost completely useless in achieving other ends, including annoying their clients. If you have an enemy, and the enemy has a lawyer, you can't easily harass your enemy with psycho litigation tactics: one of the duties of the lawyer is to insulate their client from that sort of thing.

Some people have to pay for their lawyers.


Posted by: James B. Shearer | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:52 PM
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If this stuff is such a successful irritation strategy, why don't professionals do it as well as pro se people?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:54 PM
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52: Professionals get sanctioned.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:55 PM
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I'm done until Monday.

Woo Hoo!


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:58 PM
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41 but you know what I mean? I always thought the word ongeblozen (no idea of spelling) was a thing my family made up. Same for ungepotchke, which my autocorrect now knows. Both actual words.

Um, if Penn Station is closed right now due to signal errors, what would we say are my chances of going to DC at 7 am tomorrow?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 5:59 PM
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why don't professionals do it as well as pro se people?

Yes and why doesn't the adult film industry start filming people having sex?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 6:15 PM
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55.2: Oh, totally. Yiddish in Roman letters looks even sillier than Dutch.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 7:00 PM
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I mean, 55.1.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 7:00 PM
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Pumpkin pie? Costco had a decent one, 2.5 pounds for $5.99. But I guess they don't have a Manhattan location.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 7:02 PM
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So, Ryan North (the Dinosaur Comics guy) wrote a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure version of Hamlet and put it on Kickstarter, where it got more than twice the target amount in the first day. Pretty cool.

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Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 8:24 PM
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56: It's different when a (competent) lawyer does things that make work for you -- they have a plan that they're actually going to get some advantage from if it works. I don't mind that nearly so much. This sort of thing irks me because it's so pointless.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 8:46 PM
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Demoralizing the opposition is a plan.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 9:08 PM
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60:

Also, instead of a play-within-a-play to trap the conscience of a king, there's an "an-adventure-is-chosen" book within this "an-adventure-is-chosen" book, which you read while playing as King Claudius reading this nested book! It's a whole separate book contained within this book, with cover and illustrations done by Andrew Hussie.

Of course it's done by Andrew Hussie.

I wish I could watch the fershlugginer video on that page.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 9:51 PM
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I wish I could watch the fershlugginer video on that page.

You can't?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 9:59 PM
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I can now.

The flash setup on my firefox install is kind of crap, but I have now installed chrome!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:03 PM
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Oh good. The video's worth watching, although the information in it is basically the same as what's in the text of the page.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:06 PM
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I appreciate the fact that the section of the video about the Hussie-authored book within a book was a Hussie-narrated video within the video, and the picture of Noam Chompsky.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:08 PM
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Chompsky is very cute, it's true.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:14 PM
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62: Sure. But what this fool is doing isn't planned, it's just flailing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 10:33 PM
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And three pies are out of the oven, with the kitchen clean enough to start cooking dinner in the morning. Night, all.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 11:14 PM
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Night, LB.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-21-12 11:15 PM
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Stupid brining. Stupid delay in brining and having to wait up until midnight to take the damn bird out of the brine, more accurately.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 12:13 AM
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(And then it turned out Penn Station was 100% unfucked.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 5:38 AM
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59: Do too! 114th and FDR I think.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 5:54 AM
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117th, but yes there is one. Right on my old bus line.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 6:06 AM
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Which made getting pizza harder. Before that giant shopping complex opened that bus line was all screwed up all the time.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 6:07 AM
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Er, wasn't.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 6:07 AM
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Happy Thanksgiving, Unfoggedtariat!


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 7:26 AM
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I'll bet those pies are good. Morning all, and happy Thanksgiving.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 11-22-12 7:49 AM
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Carp knew Petreus?!?!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 11-25-12 3:18 PM
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