Re: Austin meet-up!

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Allow me to be the first to recommend Chain Drive.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:31 AM
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Le Châine Drive, we used to call it, making sure to pronounce it luh shan dreev with the most Parisian of r's, because we were witty that way.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:40 AM
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I know a good joke about what EPCOT stands for.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:47 AM
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Experimental Polyester Costumes Of Torture?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:49 AM
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Wish I could be there then! I'll be in town again at the end of February / beginning of March, though.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:57 AM
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4: that was the one!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:59 AM
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5: Let's do it again! Drinks on Neil!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 10:03 AM
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We could go to EPCOT I guess but I'm not sure there's liquor. Though Bave was delighted by an article in the NYTimes magazine where this guy talked about figuring out how to smoke pot at Disney.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 10:08 AM
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7: Sounds fun to me! I missed you and the Kraabs last time I was in town. I'll get back to you with more info when I know which day I'm leaving for Miami. It's likely that I'll be there from Thursday to Sunday at least.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:40 PM
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That is, I'll be in Austin from Thursday the 28th to Sunday the 3rd.


Posted by: Neil the Ethical Werewolf | Link to this comment | 02- 4-13 9:41 PM
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I just moved to NYC for three months, today. Maybe next time.


Posted by: sral | Link to this comment | 02- 5-13 7:46 PM
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I think I will go to Austin for this meetup.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02- 5-13 8:06 PM
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I can probably make it.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02- 6-13 10:27 AM
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I am very uncharacteristically making fairly concrete plans ahead of time for next weekend, so if we could nail down some specifics for the meetup relatively soon that would be great.

A Saturday night on East 6th would probably be a lot of fun, if people are tolerant of an environment saturated with hipsterdom.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02- 9-13 1:31 PM
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Would you prefer earlier or later, C.B.?

Smearcase made some noise about wanting to go to the Continental Club after, which argues for SoCo, though I don't know that there's anyplace bearable on a Saturday night.

If we're going to dinner, we could go to Sazon on S. Lamar (interior Mexican, far enough south not to be crowded).

East 6th would be good, too. Liberty, maybe?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 12:33 PM
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I've made plans to try to get rush tickets for The Rite of Spring at the Long Center on Saturday, which means if I can make it to the meetup it would be either early or very late, but South Austin works well.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 12:39 PM
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I'd be at the Long Center something like 7-10 PM.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 12:42 PM
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If we're going to dinner, we could go to Sazon on S. Lamar

Ooh, go there! Sazon's great. Mmmm, cochinita pibil.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 1:02 PM
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Interior Mexican you can actually get in the northeast so I lean slightly to Tex Mex but won't insist.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 1:30 PM
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El Chile?

Will try to see if I can change ballet to Friday.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 1:50 PM
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I adore El Chile.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 1:55 PM
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And Sazon. Hell, I like it all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 1:55 PM
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Alright, changed the ballet plans so I can do anywhere/anytime Saturday.

Other options: Polvos, Takoba, Los Comales. Even the interior Mexican places mostly have queso and the like.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 2:08 PM
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Great! Thanks, Crimble.

Wherever we go, I need a time, to line up a baby-sitter. 7:00 okay?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 2:11 PM
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That's fine for me.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 2:16 PM
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My dance card is open. 7 sounds good.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 3:19 PM
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"Interior Mexican"? At first I thought that meant, it's a restaurant and not just a stand.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 4:14 PM
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Same here.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 4:16 PM
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The funny thing is, whenever I go to Austin I tell my dad I want to go out for Tex-Mex, and he always responds by suggesting Sazón. Which is, as noted above, delicious but also NOT TEX-MEX.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 4:22 PM
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Also you should all read this article and discuss it at the meetup.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 4:24 PM
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I'll be in Austin for a few days during SxSW with a night or two off, but I imagine all actual locals will have fled the area that week.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 4:32 PM
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31: We'll be here. Let us know your plans when the time gets near.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 5:19 PM
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And have no fear. M/tch and Kraab are dear, though they may bend an ear.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 5:21 PM
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Thanks, I may well do that. The evening of Tues or Weds 3/12 or 3/13 are likeliest. It would be cool to have something to do; even though I'm going to SxSW for business, as always I have no interest in going to anything SxSW related that I'm not working on... but it's hard to find anything unrelated in Austin that week. I'd much prefer visiting when it's not SxSW time, but then I'd have to pay my own way.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 5:32 PM
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Ill be here!


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 7:56 PM
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I vote for Tex-Mex over "interior Mexican" (which I too thought was something like a Mexican place with only indoor seating), but I don't know if I'll be able to tell the difference between the two in Texas.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:13 PM
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I don't know if I'll be able to tell the difference between the two in Texas.

Really? I would have thought that as a New Mexican you would have a fairly refined sense of the differences among different Mexican cuisines. I had never heard the phrase "interior Mexican" before this thread, and I'm still not sure what it refers to exactly (which part of Mexico?), but I've certainly eaten at restaurants serving regional Mexican cuisines that were very obviously different from either Tex-Mex or New Mexican food.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:18 PM
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I'm just suspicious that "interior Mexican" in Texas is going to come out tasting like Tex-Mex.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:36 PM
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Honestly, I'm not entirely clear about Tex-Mex. I've mostly eaten it in Brooklyn.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:37 PM
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If this is a Texas thread, what's the deal with road signs on I-10 giving maximum and minimum speeds in El Paso. Is that just an El Paso thing or does that show up elsewhere?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:38 PM
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Lots of places post minimum speeds.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:39 PM
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Huh. I've never noticed it driving up and down the west coast. This is the first time I've driven east of Nevada.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 8:56 PM
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I'm just suspicious that "interior Mexican" in Texas is going to come out tasting like Tex-Mex.

Ah, okay. I can see that, though I'm not sure if it's true.

Honestly, I'm not entirely clear about Tex-Mex. I've mostly eaten it in Brooklyn.

I've rarely eaten it anywhere. My impression of it is that it relies heavily on beef.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:11 PM
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They are overlapping magisteria: http://www.austinchronicle.com/food/2009-03-06/751674/


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:33 PM
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I've never heard "interior Mexican" outside of Austin, either. It doesn't refer to a particular region and probably isn't rigorous with respect to northern Mexican cuisine and tex Mex since there's not like a quesogloss or something like the greasy/greazy line at I-64 (?) but you can definitely tell your average Tex Mex place from your average Mex-Mex place, not to speak even of extreme examples like El Patio (still open?) where your salsa is served with Saltines.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:34 PM
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43: I have a Tex Mex cookbook with an essay about how Diana Kennedy, while introducing Americans to interior Mexican, also really vilified Tex Mex, a thoroughly legit regional cuisine, saying Americans associated Mexican cuisine with "an overly large platter of mixed messes, smothered in a shrill tomato sauce, sour cream, and grated yellow cheese preceded by a dish of mouth-searing sauce and greasy deep-friend chips. Although these do represent some of the basic foods of Mexico - in name only - they have been brought down to their lowest common denominator north of the border, on a par with the chop suey and chow mein of Chinese restaurants twenty years ago."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:39 PM
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There was that nifty essay floating around a couple of months ago that talked at some point about how it was stupid to differentiate regional Mexican cuisine from within Mexico and regional Mexican cuisine from within border adjacent and nigh-adjacent US since they were all regional cuisines developed by Mexicans in the various places on the continent where Mexicans live and have lived for like ever. Apparently this seemingly enlightened attitude holds little sway in New Mexico.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:44 PM
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"Interior Mexican" is a pretty weird phrase, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:45 PM
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Apparently this seemingly enlightened attitude holds little sway in New Mexico.

It does? I would agree entirely with that argument.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:46 PM
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"Interior Mexican" is a pretty weird phrase, though.

Nah, it seems pretty straightforward to me, though I had never heard it before and it seems to be unique to Austin. The food of the interior of the country as opposed to that of the northern borderlands.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:47 PM
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49: oh I know you probably do, but in my head you and Bave were scoffing at the heterodox meats and inapt chilis of Tex-Mex.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:47 PM
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50: I just am confused by treating the coasts as part of the "interior".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:48 PM
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in my head you and Bave were scoffing at the heterodox meats and inapt chilis of Tex-Mex.

Oh, we do, of course. But that's a different sort of argument from this one.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:51 PM
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52: Fair enough. It's probably not the term I would choose to describe the same concept.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 9:52 PM
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I'm just suspicious that "interior Mexican" in Texas is going to come out tasting like Tex-Mex.

Nah, they're actually really different. I mean, you can get queso, but most of the stuff I've had there is Yucatecan; it's nothing like Tex-Mex.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 10:16 PM
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I think of Tex-Mex as meaning cheap, authentic, delicious ways to recombine at most five ingredients. (I don't think of it as being particularly beef-based, per Teo above.)

Interior Mexican means more exotic dishes, a little fancier, and more ingredients.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 11:51 PM
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I don't think of it as being particularly beef-based, per Teo above.

It may not be; like I say, I've rarely had it. I do still suspect it's probably more beef-based than New Mexican food, which is heavily pork-based.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 11:55 PM
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It's pretty heavily pork-based, too. Or shredded chicken. I mean, generally any dish comes in each animal-version, but the beef is often kind of the grossest, so maybe I'm biased.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-12-13 11:58 PM
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This is, sadly, my first case of post-melatonin insomnia, in about six weeks.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:00 AM
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Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of beef and chicken in New Mexican cuisine too, but the most distinctive traditional dishes (posole, tamales, carne adovada, etc.) are made by default with pork and only rarely with some other meat. I have the vague sense that this is not the case for Tex-Mex, but as I say I don't know much about it. Certainly both belong to the general culinary tradition of northern Mexico and resemble each other much more than either resembles any of the other regional Mexican cuisines.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:03 AM
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59: I was wondering why you were up so late. Poor heebie.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:03 AM
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Jammies has led me to believe that the main difference is that in NM, the verde sauce is better and it has a fried egg on top. But he's also a stick-with-my-favorite-dish kind of guy, not a get-to-know-it-all.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:17 AM
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The parts of NM where he's lived aren't really where the classic cuisine comes from, though. That description doesn't ring very true to me.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:31 AM
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For the record, the dishes in 60 all show up here. I'm really terrible at even describing the places here, let alone contrasting them to a state I've never been to.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:36 AM
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It's totally possible that the two cuisines are much more similar than I've implied here. I really have no idea. It's been a long time since I had any Tex-Mex.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 12:43 AM
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teo's had Tex-Mex, but not in a way he can understand anymore.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 5:24 AM
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Baseless but possibly accurate conjecture, informed by anti-Texas prejudice: the phrase "interior Mexican" arose because restaurateurs wanted to forestall customers' embarassment at not knowing how to pronounce "Oaxacan". Like the substitution of "blush wine" for "rosé" on menus.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 6:50 AM
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67: Given the way Central Texans happily mangle, e.g., Mexican and German-derived place-names,* I find it very hard to imagine that it would have occurred to anyone that mispronouncing "Oaxacan" should be a source of embarrassment.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:14 AM
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Much less (per 55) most of the restaurateurs misspelling "Yucatecan."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:23 AM
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And why haven't Stanley and Moby made a bunch of stupid and tasteless "Interior Mexican" jokes so I can make mine?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:24 AM
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67: That would be my guess, or people not knowing what "Oaxacan" meant and being disinclined to go there. Mole!


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 8:47 AM
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I'm not an expert on either, but Tex Mex is clearly different than New Mexican food. No green chile, no sopapillas, etc. in Tex Mex. And I don't think fajitas or chimichangas are New Mexican. I think both are partial to the flour tortilla, though.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 8:56 AM
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The flour/non-flour tortilla difference might be a reasonable dividing line between the cuisine of northern Mexican borderlands and "interior Mexican" (a phrase I'd never heard before either).

I will say that IME, aside from taco trucks/stands, the general tenor of all Mexican food, tex or non, is generally better in Texas than in California. Though there's plenty of incredible Mexican food here, too. I'm not sure why that should be but there it is.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:09 AM
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I had never heard "interior Mexican" in my years in Texas (left in early '85). But I do see a number of references in Texas Monthly starting in the '80s. The first reference I can find is in an ad for Fonda San Miguel (still there?) on W. North Loop from June 1980. I suspect it was not that common of a term because in a 1982 review it is treated at as something that needs to be explained.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:38 AM
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We have sopapillas. Generally not green chiles unless someone's making the point that it's Hatch Green Chile time and they're in from NM. They always have both corn and flour tortillas, but flour is slightly more the default.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:39 AM
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I think "interior" just means "upscale".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:40 AM
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As in, there are no interior Mexican restaurants in Heebie Town or Heebie U Town, but tons of delicious Tex-Mex.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:42 AM
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Also, I need to chill out and not be so furious at this student who came in for office hours, in a differential equations class, and is clueless about how to plug in initial conditions. Or how to integrate 1/t. Let alone anything that we've actually covered this semester. The test is tomorrow. (I've had this student before, which is part of my over-reaction.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:44 AM
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an overly large platter of mixed messes, smothered in a shrill tomato sauce, sour cream, and grated yellow cheese preceded by a dish of mouth-searing sauce and greasy deep-friend chips
She says this like it's a bad thing.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:56 AM
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74: My understanding had always been that Fonda San Miguel (which is indeed still there) coined the term. The article linked in 44 suggests that may be right. Certainly into the early 90's, "interior Mexican" was not-quite-but-almost synonymous with "Fonda San Miguel" in Austin.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 9:57 AM
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I think "interior" just means "upscale".

Ah, I get it, analogous to "Northern" in conjunction with "Italian", i.e. "expensive and self-consciously devoid of tomato sauce". ("Northern Italian" is also about as meaningless a designation as "interior Mexican", inasmuch as the differences among, say, Piemontese and Friulian cuisine are at least as stark as those between Florentine and Neapolitan. But whatevs.)


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:01 AM
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80: And I did not check, but all of the TM references might have been for Fonda San Miguel (the review from '82 that I mention was from there). I did my usual Google Groups search (timestamps FTW) and saw a reference back to 1992 (scarce archives before that), but its frequency of use seems to really only have taken off in the late '90s/2000s


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:02 AM
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I thought "northern Italian" meant blond?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:02 AM
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I thought it meant "competently corrupt."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:03 AM
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There's a real problem in math that on the one hand we can't fail too many students without being completely out of step (already math grades are lower), but since math so heavily builds on itself people moving on to higher classes without knowing the earlier stuff is a bigger problem.

I'm not sure what the solution is. Only a B+ or higher counts as a pre-requisite, and for lower grades you can keep enrolling in the same class if you want? Or things bifurcate? If you get below a B+ on Calc 1, you go into a yearlong Calc 2a/2b course instead of a semester long Calc 2. But the current system is pretty broken.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:07 AM
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This kid has a problem, which I've seen in other students, where they absolutely cannot retain a mathematical fact from one part of a conversation to another. Like, you use the same u-substitution several times in the same problem, and each time he comes to it, he's absolutely perplexed. Despite having the solution written out maybe an inch away from where he's staring. OMG HE DRIVES ME CRAZY. And why is today the first time he's come to office hours all semester?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:14 AM
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I think "interior" just means "upscale".

Honestly, I don't think so. Polvos, Sazon, and Los Comales are all delicious interior Mexican cuisine and the dinner plates are in the $8-15 range. It really means ingredients / dishes that people in the United States of Mexico actually eat.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:16 AM
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79: exaaaactly

My favorite thing at Chuy's was always the stuffed sopapilla with green chile sauce (which vanished from the menu at some point but you could still order it at at least one location) so maybe I am going to really like New Mexican cuisine.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:18 AM
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Polvos, Sazon, and Los Comales are all delicious interior Mexican cuisine and the dinner plates are in the $8-15

Which is way more expensive than any Mexican food in Heebie Town or Heebie U Town. (If I knew San Antonio better, I might have a more interesting opinion.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:21 AM
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But in Heebie Town alone, there are probably 30-40 Tex-mex restaurants, all very similar.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:23 AM
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Certainly, if the food is super cheap it's either Tex-Mex or simple tacos and quesadillas. I think the out-of-towners / returners should choose where we go. Of the places I listed, El Chile is probably the most straight up Tex-Mex. Guero's would be good if you want to stumble drunk on foot to the Continental Club.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 10:41 AM
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IME, Guero's is loud, has long lines on Saturday nights, and isn't anything special. I agree that Smearcase & Bave should make the decision.

Meanwhile, I'm going to make us a reservation at El Chile @ 7 so we have that to fall back on. CB, are you going to have a plus 1? Any lurkers who haven't spoken up yet planning to join us?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:37 PM
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El Chile menu

(I'm really not trying to push El Chile in particular. It seems easy and uncontroversial, but I'm happy to go elsewhere.)


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:40 PM
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Smearcase & Bave

I guess "Smearbave" is the wrong contraction.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:41 PM
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"Bleety"


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:43 PM
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This is a surprisingly fun game. RobHaScarJo.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:45 PM
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Beercave.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:50 PM
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Given the way Central Texans happily mangle, e.g., Mexican and German-derived place-names,* I find it very hard to imagine that it would have occurred to anyone that mispronouncing "Oaxacan" should be a source of embarrassment.

Word. After we go to El Chile on MAY-ner (Manor) Rd., let us take you down MAN-shack (Manchaca) Rd. and over to Bear (Bexar) County. We could visit Green (Gruene) or PUHR-di-NAHL-es (Pedernales), then go back home to BURN-it (Burnet) Rd.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 2:57 PM
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95: Twume.


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96: Beyonstropher


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 3:01 PM
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98: let us take you down MAN-shack (Manchaca) Rd. and over to Bear (Bexar) County. We could visit Green (Gruene)

The putative footnote whose asterisk I neglected to delete from 68 after deciding not to bother was going to illustrate the point with a story about my comical attempt to meet up with some friends in the town of "Green" when I was still new to the area, and how another time the instruction to "take a left when you hit Man Shack Road" caused hijinks to ensue. And how, a few years ago, I was involved in a case in which others who had apparently never had the privilege of living in Texas were talking about a contractual forum selection clause specifying "Bayhar County" and I thought it was weird that this major corporation had settled on one of the roughly 13,000 obscure Texas counties I'd never had reason to hear of.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 3:26 PM
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Yes, plus 1. Thanks for making the reservations.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 3:50 PM
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Beercave!

I think maybe my litmus test for Tex Mex is can you order queso.

So, I think I'm alone in my enthusiasm for places like Matt's El Rancho, and El Chile sounds good, so maybe comity?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 3:58 PM
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Watching the decision process unfold on meetup locations makes you:

A. Laugh out loud.
B. Run screaming from the room.
C. Scornful and hateful.
D. Smile quietly to yourself in self-recognition, amused but secure in your deep appreciation of the absurdity of life.
E. Smile quietly to yourself in self-recognition, amused but secure in your knowledge that flawed and ridiculous creatures though we may appear, others are worse.
F. All of the above except D.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 6:31 PM
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My cousin just took us to a Dallas offshoot of Matt's and I am now at peace with the universe and we can go for French food if anyone wants!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:24 PM
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Interior French or Okie-Fren?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:35 PM
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Or Frenemy?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:39 PM
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Now, time was you could only get Okie-Fren doors around here -- we're famous for 'em! -- but not anymore!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 7:40 PM
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I think maybe my litmus test for Tex Mex is can you order queso.

That would certainly distinguish it from New Mexican food (which per 88 I think you would really like).


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 8:05 PM
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I kind of want to think of the food in New Orleans as exterior French.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 8:05 PM
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Wait is smearcase going to New Mexico this trip, too? We need one of those animated itineraries like in Raiders.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-13-13 8:09 PM
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|| Which makes most sense?
-regarding people who I haven't seen in a decade and about whom my feelings range from vague irritation to affection that does not require meeting up this time around
A) stay off fb for the next four days and avoid the issue altogether
B) make a preëmptive posting about how I'm going to be in town and sorry I don't get to see everyone this time (I just saw someone do this and it seemed like maybe real Jedi stuff)
C) deal on a case by case basis if someone I don't really want to see notices I'm in town
D) have a Sunday night "I will be at [location] if anyone wants to come by" catch-all thing?
E) get over myself if people actually want to see me and make some damn time and stop reënacting Mean Girls
F) other!

I think I'm jumpy because I emailed one friend who knows one set of people I knew in Austin to the effect of "I'm looking forward to seeing you but I'm probably not going to see the whole crowd this time" and two days later he emailed back "I'm having a reception [!] for you and wanted to find out which day was good."
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Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:30 AM
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I vote for D.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:33 AM
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F) other! "I am coming through town on the lam and if the cops see you in my company they will shoot first and ask questions later."

Seriously, B if you have the cojones, otherwise D or E, whichever is less effort for you.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:35 AM
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D) have a Sunday night "I will be at [location] if anyone wants to come by" catch-all thing?

I did this recently and it was pretty fun. Just make sure to salt it with one or two people you actually do want to talk to.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:36 AM
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115 cont'd: in part because there was a sort of "I got the band back together!" flavor to various people who don't necessarily see each other that much all coming out to see me and ending up talking to each other. (okay, probably they were mostly there to see pregnant Blume. Still.)


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:37 AM
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Why Facebook is the devil. Example #2274.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 8:38 AM
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Ah, "salt it with people you do want to see" is smart.

And yes this is why fb is the devil but as someone with a really weird relationship to travel I can't shake the impression that one goes places about 50% for the purpose of saying, in some form, Hey Everybody I Am in a Place so I am actually somewhat compelled to post things.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 9:04 AM
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Everybody gotta be somewhere.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 9:06 AM
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My strategy is always (A). I do not like seeing people I do not want to see.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 9:40 AM
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Ok the reception was thoroughly enjoyable. This thread is kaput until the liveblogging but I felt like admitting my error.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-14-13 9:17 PM
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The plan is El Chile, right? at 7?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 1:57 PM
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No reason not to start liveblogging early, though.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:20 PM
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I'm literally grading differential equations exams right this second and Jammies is grocery shopping with the kids.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:22 PM
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I think it might be time to do something about this liveblogging addiction, Sifu.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:26 PM
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Liveblog about it?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:28 PM
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Still looking for liveblogging!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:28 PM
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That would be one potential approach, I suppose.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:28 PM
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127: What, 124 isn't good enough?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:29 PM
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Now I'm reading comments!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:30 PM
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Back to grading!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:30 PM
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Remember when I was reading comments? That was great.


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Man, students. !!. Amirite?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:33 PM
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I'm here on my couch, waiting for more liveblogging!

129: it was swell! But see 126.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:36 PM
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The class really likes to use pen on their tests. I don't really care, as long as I can read their work, but it's a little odd.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:38 PM
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122 is my plan, at least.

As for liveblogging, I am deathly bored trying to fork the Events Manager plugin for WordPress. I am doing this in a hip coffee shop in the heart of a traditionally black neighborhood, thereby contributing to its gentrification.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:38 PM
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This student - who has passed at least Cal 1 and 2 - thinks that (3x+x^2)/x^2 can be simplified down to 3x. This may in fact be the same student that I complained about a few days ago.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:40 PM
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He has made that mistake several times throughout his test already.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:41 PM
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My throat is tickly. I hope I'm not getting sick.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:45 PM
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The thing is, I wouldn't be appalled to see that in a precalculus or even calculus student. It's just that this kid has Teflon memory for math and is in upper level math classes somehow.

Can someone like this handle a technical STEM-ish career, and therefore we ought to find a way to train them? Or ought someone like this be redirected ASAP? I have a poor understanding of how our curriculum matches the skill set that you need on the job.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:49 PM
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Maybe he meant for X = 0.5 ± 1.6583i


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:51 PM
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE STUDENTS. You cannot cancel the xs in x-xy' and just work with y'. That is stupid.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:51 PM
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For some reason I thought most of your students wanted to be math teachers.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:53 PM
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Usually 1/3 of them do, or so. I don't know if that kid does or not.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:54 PM
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Differential equations involve an awful lot of writing. Hard to blame them for just wanting to skip ahead.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:56 PM
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Yeah, I would have said can't handle a STEM career, but if he wants to teach it.... that's kind of worse, isn't it?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 2:58 PM
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Presumably at some point something will prevent these people from advancing, right? Do they have to take the GRE or something? Does dip eventually get banned?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:06 PM
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This might be roadblock that is supposed to happen. It seems later in a student's career than is optimal, but you also want to give a kid a real chance to succeed. I dunno.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:13 PM
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Does the dude seem to grasp the concepts that don't involve (really) simple algebra?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:19 PM
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I don't know. If I had to guess, he grasps things in the moment and retains nothing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:26 PM
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What I don't get about your students (I mean the ones you complain about like this) is why they want to pass your class. Wouldn't you think someone that lost would have started avoiding math once they got out of high school and had choices?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:29 PM
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147.dip made me laugh.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:31 PM
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I don't think of him as lost. I think of him as forging boldly ahead, unconcerned that his ruggedly independent cowboy algebra doesn't gain the support of the eastern math establishment.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:32 PM
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Yeah, I don't get why they pursue these math classes either. I mean, a gateway course for your pre-med student or something is totally understandable.

I think sometimes they loathe reading and writing and therefore have gone in the opposite direction, and whatever has them so entirely sunk in reading/writing is also sabotaging them in their math class.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:42 PM
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Maybe they don't like thinking?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 3:46 PM
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Live! Blog!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 6:10 PM
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155 -> 156.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 6:15 PM
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I KNOW RIGHT


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 6:36 PM
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They have been at the meetup for at least 35 minutes now. What's the hold-up?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 6:36 PM
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Queso is a perfectly valid name for a dish.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 7:35 PM
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everyone here says hi!


Posted by: m/tch m/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:06 PM
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everyone here says hi!


Posted by: m/tch m/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:07 PM
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Hi, everyone!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:07 PM
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Hi, Austin people! I miss you!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:10 PM
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Are we sure it's not just m/tch saying hi a bunch of times?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:12 PM
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HOT DAMN LIVEBLOGGING

No, come on, though. Keep at it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:19 PM
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Smearcase and I are talking yarn.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:21 PM
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I didn't know yarn could talk.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:27 PM
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Damn, makes me wish I was still in TX.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:32 PM
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160 and its predecessors perplex me. Sure, cheese is a great food, but I feel like there must be more to this linguistically-abusive dish.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:33 PM
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It confuses me too. Maybe it's just a big glass full of cheese?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:34 PM
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I think it's like a bowl or something.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:43 PM
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Queso is the group hug of foodstuffs.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:48 PM
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We all now have beer-malaria.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:56 PM
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My beer tastes like delicious delicious banana bread.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 8:59 PM
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"beerlaria".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:02 PM
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GROUP HUG!!!!!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:20 PM
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"Grug".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:22 PM
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People should probably never tell me anything.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:27 PM
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M/tch is drinking banana bread. I'm not even kidding.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:38 PM
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"delidelibananead".


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:40 PM
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N+13

My belfry taxpayers like delicious delicious banker breast.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:41 PM
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177 gets it right.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 9:44 PM
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Smearcase: YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT.

We looked up our Austin friends on Facebook, and they are definitely facebook friends with your friend. I can't imagine how you pieced this together, but I stand corrected.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 10:08 PM
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Amazing!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 10:30 PM
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184: All was revealed, and they took it in stride, and are lovely people. Anyways, that's so crazy and hilarious!

Now: afterparty at Chez M/llsKraab!

Tequila and Eau de Douglas Fir!!!


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 10:38 PM
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I might need more placating at some point, because I'm pretty sure I kicked off the whole coincidence by being a jerk about a what turned out to be some totally nice people.


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 11:02 PM
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Also, uh, the mutual friends don't know I have a secret identity...


Posted by: heebie-heebie | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 11:04 PM
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This is a model of fantastic live-blogging. Future attendees of meet-ups take note.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-16-13 11:55 PM
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It's now morning. Kraab and Smearcase have resumed yarn talk.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 7:45 AM
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Also, lest anyone get the wrong impression, in 186 I meant "Eau de Vie de Douglas Fir". I don't want anyone to think there was any Canadian perfume involved in last night's revelries.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 7:54 AM
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Eau de Venus in Firs? Is that what you said?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 7:59 AM
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I met a friend out for beers last night and we talked about stuff.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 7:59 AM
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(I am placating hg in sanctified OBC.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 8:01 AM
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We have collectively decided to refer to Smearcase as "Señor Smearqueso" during the remainder of his sojourn in Texas.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 8:28 AM
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And beyond!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 8:31 AM
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Thanks to everyone for a great night (especially the kind strangers who are probably not reading this but helped lessen some flat-tire related transportation hijinks).

The party crasher from the land of the world's largest ketchup bottle may pseud-up soon. . .


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 12:51 PM
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197: Hooray! I think she'd fit right in.

That was a fun night. Let's do it again soon. Maybe around freight train's visit?


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:20 PM
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All I can find online is the world's largest catsup bottle.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:22 PM
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199: Try searching in meatspace instead.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:48 PM
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You put meatspace in your catsupspace?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:51 PM
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The world's largest meat bottle?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:55 PM
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No results found for "the world's largest meat bottle".

Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:56 PM
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I found the world's largest ballerina clown, does that help?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 2:59 PM
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And the world's largest replica cheese! It's amazing, because a real cheese, sure, fine, but a replica cheese you really have to work on getting the details right.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 3:01 PM
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Huh, and they have the world's smallest version of the world's largest replica cheese right in the same place! We should find some lurkers there!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 3:02 PM
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Well, at least you're live-blogging your discoveries.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 3:08 PM
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A.B.L., heebs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 3:10 PM
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They don't call you tweet-y for nothing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-17-13 3:17 PM
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I need to amend 195. "Señor Smearqueso" s/b "Señor Esmirqueso".


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