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That's great--a natural partnership linking the two socially acceptable locations for young black men in American society.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:58 AM
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I like to call ballparks "Your Corporation's Name Here" Stadium.


Posted by: Grant | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:37 AM
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Mr. Wrigley used to own the team, so Wrigley Field comes by the name honestly.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:37 AM
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Reacting.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:42 AM
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naming sports arenas after companies is stupid lucrative.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:20 AM
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And the fact that this is a university stadium broaches the subject of the whole NCAA college sports weirdness on who can make money from college sports (the schools and coaches* can make lots) This article (via LGM) about a wrestler at University of Minnesota who apparently cannot have both his wrestling scholarship and a (very nascent) professional music career is a recent look behind the curtains.

Never mind that if Bauman were a minor league baseball player instead of a singer, the NCAA would allow him to keep his baseball earnings and still wrestle. Apparently, those 99-cent iTunes downloads of Bauman's Ones In The Sky represent a threat to the purity of college athletics, even though Bauman has yet to make a cent of profit. "I've not broken even on anything I've done," he said.
*The fact that top coaches make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from shoe and apparel contracts is one of the more incredible things to me. Even forgetting the whole thing with the unpaid (or poorly paid depending on your perspective) "student-athletes" who actually wear the stuff, what other legitimate organizations have employees who can do something like that with a supplier?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:43 AM
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Hi there.


Posted by: Robert Galleryfurniture.com Halford | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:45 AM
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3: And successfully defended his right to not put in lighting in a 1968 fiduciary responsibility lawsuit brought by a minority stockholder. Shlensky v. Wrigley.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:49 AM
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I have a hard time understanding why the public doesn't simply refuse to go along with the name changes.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:51 AM
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9 is sort of what happened with the Boston Garden when it was rebuilt/replaced and renamed. The latetst corporate branders eventually decided to just run with the Garden name.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:02 AM
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There was also a Wrigley Field in Los Angeles, which was owned by the same guy and the major local baseball stadiumnfor the big pre-1955 minor league team, the Angels (not to be confused with the current LA A of A) which he also owned.

And he owned Catalina Island and would make the Cubs to to spring training there, which would have been interesting. His heirs did a remarkably good job of not destroying the place.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:02 AM
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9, 10: Sort of like 6th Avenue/Avenue of the Americas.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:03 AM
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Sorta kinda on topic...

A good way to make sure your advertisement gets plenty of exposure is to place it where a lot of people are looking. With this important marketing rule in mind, one Japanese advertising service is offering brands a novel way to raise awareness to their business - placing advertising stickers on the bare thighs of young girls.

[via Jamie]


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:06 AM
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Hackles were raised when the new basketball facility at The University here was named Value City Arena. I remember thinking this name sounded hilarious at the time. Like everyone else I think, I've gotten used to used to it, and it doesn't seem odd at all anymore.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:18 AM
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what other legitimate organizations have employees who can do something like that with a supplier?>

High profile academics and text book publishers?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:35 AM
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I'd just like to point out that "Florida II" would be a great name for a dystopian, post-apocalyptic sci-fi novel.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:48 AM
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OT: Punch kick punch punch gouge knee armbar stomp kick figure-four leglock kick punch punch punch supplex catchphrase.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:52 AM
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pause, play y'all. Those short stories of mine are available for free downloads today. Help a brother out for free, why not?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:56 AM
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18: Link?

17: Kindling ??? Are you supposed to burn it?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:58 AM
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Link!

Thanks peep.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:01 AM
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14: Like everyone else I think, I've gotten used to used to it, and it doesn't seem odd at all anymore.

Right, when the monetization of life is complete we won't understand how it could ever have been otherwise.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:25 AM
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Awesome. Just picked it up, text. Thanks!


Posted by: Mentioner | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:27 AM
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why the public doesn't simply refuse to go along with the name changes.

I know several people from the DC area who continue to call the airport "National" despite the official renaming as "Reagan National".


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:36 AM
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23: And I suspect there are millions of people who continue to refer to the Sears Tower.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:38 AM
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From my one set of grandparents it was taboo to have food in anything with a brand name at the table--so milk/cream in pitchers, etc. But also ketchup and mustard in small bowls even if you were just having freaking hot dogs for lunch. I think mostly a class thing for them, but probably also a carryover from days when most everything like that was bought in bulk. At some level of formal meal this is how everyone still does it, but it occurred to me that this crowd might have some who routinely follow a similar "rule" (maybe simply because of how food is procured).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:39 AM
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I will call the airport "PATCO National Airport" long before I start saying "R**gan National."

You can also call it DCA in case people get confused.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:40 AM
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Enron stadium should have been forced to keep the name. Just to f*ck with the Houstonites.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:42 AM
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"PATCO National Airport"

This is excellent. I'm stealing it.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:46 AM
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Thanks Mentioner! Hope you like.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:46 AM
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An institution I work with closely has "Ronald Reagan" in its name, but a lot of our internal documents use their old name. I've preserved this habit on principle, but as I've come to work more with the people there I've gravitated toward using the new name in speech and even some new documents. Probably not reversible.

(Posting as presidential because it would be pretty easy to fill in the blanks via the other place.)


Posted by: Levi P. Morton | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:54 AM
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If you liked school, you'll love work.

If you like work, you'll love prison.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:55 AM
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I was concerned that Reagan would kick off during the time my kids were in school and the district would rename a school after him. But he hung on, and turns out the folks would probably have been too snobby for that anyway*.

*An elementary school (not ours) at the northern end of the district had the prosaic name N0/rthe\rn Ar||ea Elementary. As the "northern area" transitioned from rural to suburban/exurban there emerged a movement to change the name and they asked for suggestions. I'm sure mine was the only one for PS 47. They settled on H\\art/w/00d, after a local park and historic mansion.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 10:56 AM
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Fidel wiped the accumulated grime from his vyze. Another shitstorm, the worst this spring, had rolled down from the vast Okefenokee National Composting Reserve. As he crouched behind the lightrig he had been working on, Fidel noticed a grossly corpulent cockroach scuttling towards the slight shelter offered by his datafex. Reaching out to squash the bug, Fidel restrained himself. "Eh, Gordo, I guess we'll call it a truce for now?" The roach arrived at its goal and glanced up a Fidel with what seemed to be a glimmer of comprehension.
2083 had been dry, but Florida II had never seen the kind of drought that gripped it in the spring of '84. Dessicated pythons littered the carbon-fibre industrial roads where they'd expired in a futile search for moisture.

Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:07 AM
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The existence of a school in Pittsburgh named after Schuyler Colfax always baffles me. The school was built in 1911. Was Colfax still that much of a hero, from having been the Speaker of the House when the 13th Amendment was passed 48 years earlier? He didn't do anything as VP and then was replaced after the Credit Mobilier scandal. He was a bigwig in the International Order of Odd Fellows. He was a congressman from Indiana. Where's the excitement that leads to people naming things after him well after his death?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:09 AM
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Compared to "Colfax", if I was a kid I would much rather go to Galusha Grow Elementary School. That sounds like some sort of cartoon monster.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:13 AM
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23: Maybe it's my selection bias, but I feel like pretty much everyone here in DC who's not an asshat or a recent transplant (admittedly a large, overlapping population), or professionally obliged to do otherwise,* continues to call it National.

And 28 gets it exactly right.

*My recollection is that plenty of Metro conductors were still calling it National not too long ago, but presumably HUAC has taken care of them by now.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:18 AM
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selection s/b confirmation


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:18 AM
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If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone call BWI "Marshall" I'd be ... arguing that what this country needs is a whole lot more nickels.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:33 AM
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38: Seven-cent nickels?


Posted by: Captain Jeffrey T. Spaulding | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:47 AM
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34: Well, he was also vice-president - maybe they were running down a list. Or Civil War semicentennial attention?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:51 AM
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Don't most airports get referred to primarily by their location rather than the politician they're named after?

Laguardia and JFK are the exceptions that spring to mind. What are the others?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:54 AM
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Dulles.

But I will never,ever, ever, ever get back together call National Airport "Reagan National."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 11:59 AM
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Also, O'Hare, Logan. The key seems to be cities with more than one airport.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:00 PM
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In the five years since its official renaming, I haven't heard a single person refer to the Triborough Bridge as the RFK Bridge.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:00 PM
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John Wayne!


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:01 PM
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When the madness was at its peak, I suggested that all airports be named for Ronald Reagan.

41 -- Dulles. O'Hare.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:03 PM
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I would expect a dude from Montana to be quicker on the draw.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:04 PM
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Charles de Gaulle.


Posted by: Mr. Blandings | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:04 PM
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Can't believe I forgot Logan.

I mainly here people use "Orange County". Is it actually common for people to call it John Wayne?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:05 PM
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Hobby. When I was a kid we called Love Field Love Field.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:06 PM
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When the madness was at its peak, I suggested that all airports be named for Ronald Reagan.

Changing National's name was part of the Bob Barr project to get something named after Reagan in every county.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:07 PM
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50: Does Love Field even have another name?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:08 PM
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Right. And what better start than all the airports? Then all the counties. All the banks.

OK, I'm going to leave the Ronald Reagan building now, go home and have some Ronald Reagan, and then head up to Reagan Peak for some skiing. Ronnie, everyone!


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:09 PM
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Vaguely related to 38, a trainer at my gym has daily quizzes during Black History Month. One of today's questions was who was the 1st black Supreme Court justice, to which at least one person (who's almost 40) answered "Clarence Thomas."

Even more pathetically, only a few people knew what Brown v. Board was about. I'll grant that we* as a group know more U.S. history than the average American, but cripes.

*Including the non-Americans here.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:13 PM
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52: Apparently not, It was named [at opening in 1917 -- JPS] after First Lieutenant Moss Lee Love, of the U.S. Army 11th Cavalry, who died in an airplane crash near San Diego, California on 4 September 1913, becoming the 10th fatality in U.S. army aviation history.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:14 PM
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Charles de Gaulle.

This is a relatively recent change, though; used to be that people would refer to Orly and Roissy. Not sure when it flipped.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:14 PM
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25: I wouldn't put branded containers on the table for a dinner with guests. For anything less formal I might, but I would first try dressing the food in the kitchen and eat without the visual noise. That's what I do when eating alone.

Some - maybe most - of my relatives put the dish-soap into a prettier container, but I don't. (Partly because I've been confused in their houses -- dishsoap? Hand soap? Hand lotion? What's this fourth one?)


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:19 PM
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What's this fourth one?

Who keeps their lube in the kitchen?!?!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:21 PM
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Sometimes you have to stuff the turkey, Josh.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:24 PM
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54: I don't know if I've flat-out said this before, but Lee's sister (biological aunt whose parents adopted Lee) Grace did legal research on the Brown case. At her funeral last month, there was a big picture of the young Grace with Thurgood Marshall on the back of the program. And when Lee told Spanish people this during a conversation about race in America, they all seemed to know what the ruling was, but Lee's students have routinely had no clue.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:26 PM
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I was expecting to get mocked for `visual noise'. I can't think of a better term; `clutter' isn't it.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:30 PM
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60 is cool, up to the bewildering ignorance of so many students. I mean, there's a Norman Rockwell painting, right?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:31 PM
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Who's Normal Rockwell?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:34 PM
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How old are Lee's students?

I've said this multiple times before, but I never had a US history class that covered anything later than the Korean War. I certainly learned a lot about the Revolutionary War, the Louisiana Purchase, the Mexian War and the aforementioned Credit Mobilier scandal, again and again.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:34 PM
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I meant "Norman." But it probably works with the error, too.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:35 PM
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Magistrate Grants Bail for Pistorius

The magistrate said Mr. Pistorius did not represent a flight risk

HA. But really, he's right. That guy didn't even come close to a medal in 2012.

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Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:36 PM
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62: Is there? There's the Ruby Bridges one he did.

And my grandparents' household required no original containers on the table, so my parents mostly followed that and made note of how my grandmother did it that way and her sister was absolutely bonkers about being a stickler for the rule. At our house, I'd distinguish between a party where everyone's helping themselves to grilled sausages and one that's a sit-down dinner.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:36 PM
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64: The community college gets a variety, but it's probably the 18-30-year-olds who'd be most ignorant of it. I don't think my history classes ever made it to the Korean War, even, though we did some of that as an independent study in high school and maybe other people get there.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:40 PM
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We mostly eschew (store) packages at the table, but not entirely. The main regular exception is the peanut butter and almond butter at breakfast.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:43 PM
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The magistrate said Mr. Pistorius did not represent a flight risk wouldn't get far on foot.

I assume that joke is already all over the Internet today, but whatever.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:46 PM
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I was expecting to get mocked for `visual noise'. I can't think of a better term; `clutter' isn't it.

'Visual noise' is what I call it. And branded containers at the dinner table make my skin crawl.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:49 PM
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Re Black history month: My son's fourth grade class has everyone doing some first person presentations about various African-Ameircan heroes. They're also supposed to dress up as as the person they're presenting about. My son is Barack Obama, so it's an easy costume. In a school that's about 15% African-American, this seems kind of offensive. I am REALLY hoping no one shows up in blackface.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:49 PM
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My son is Barack Obama, so it's an easy costume.

Who's he presenting about?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:52 PM
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One of the effects of portioning out dishes in the kitchen, and having a saucer of condiments out rather than a quart of the stuff in a squeeze-bottle, is probably to reduce the amount one eats -- at the margin, in a nudgy way, etc. I expect for a lot of people the original effect was partly to distribute food evenly when it was limited. Does anyone else's family say `There's more down cellar in a teacup'? This is, according to my mother and her sister, the way one explained that there wasn't any more, without losing face or failing the obligation to be generous to guests.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:57 PM
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I think most, if not all Oxford United fans have long been reconciled to the name of our newish stadium, which is named after our chairman at the time it was opened. But the stand which takes the place of the old main terrace, which is officially named after its sponsor the local newspaper, is still called the London Road stand by most fans.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 12:57 PM
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72: If they dress up as other people they're studying, why offensive? (Do they do Women's History Month?) I mean, blackface would be, but dear God I want someone to turn up in George Carver's crocheted tie.

My Work is That of Conservation is superb and, I thought, in the end, not destroyingly depressing, because it is about a moral superhero. Possibly a physical superhero, given the proving up chapter.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:00 PM
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75: Better than York City's "Kit Kat Crescent".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:02 PM
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George Carver's crocheted tie

Now why didn't my history classes cover this kind of important information?


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:06 PM
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Lies your teacher told you, man.

It's more important than it maybe sounds. He did a lot of respectful, context-sensitive work with farm-women on home gardens and nutrition and generally making a good life out of scraps, and I don't think it was accidental that he publicly did a bit of his own fancywork.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:09 PM
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77: They couldn't get an endorsement from freezer rolls?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:09 PM
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Before reading this thread I never realized anyone deliberately avoided branded containers or packaging at the table. I hadn't even realized that was something intentionally done at more formal restaurants; I thought the little mustard bowls were being used for their own sake, not with an eye towards removing branded packaging.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:09 PM
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`Is you quality or does you stack?'


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:10 PM
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If I stump the trainer (with mainstream questions), he does push-ups. I've gotten him on 1st African-American to win the Nobel Peace Prize (it wasn't MLK) and a few others. Today, he didn't know what the Mississippi Freedom Delegation was, so I told him push-ups weren't enough and he had to go read about it.

At least half of the questions are about sports, which I never get unless the answer is Jackie Robinson, Flo-Jo, or Dr. J.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:11 PM
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I love it how the Wire referenced George Washington Carver occasionally. "This ain't the motherfucker who came up with 62 ways of using the peanut."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:12 PM
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79: Cool and interesting!


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:12 PM
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72: My girls just took their presentations to school today. No costumes, though, which is a relief because a) making a plausible Sidney Poitier out of my blonde daughter would have been tough (dressing up the other as Marian Anderson would have been marginally easier), and b) no doubt this morning would have turned out like the Google commercial where the kid needs to go to school as Martin Van Buren.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:13 PM
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83.2: Or the Harlem Globetrotters. "Meadowlark Lemon" would be a great name for a cat.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:14 PM
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"Meadowlark Lemon" is already a great name for a cat.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:16 PM
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1st African-American to win the Nobel Peace Prize

Um... no idea. Bayard Rustin?

he didn't know what the Mississippi Freedom Delegation was

Um... is that the same thing as "The Freedom Riders"?

Time to go look these things up.


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86: Next time you slight your blond daughter, I hope she'll draw herself up to her full height and say, well, you know.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:21 PM
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89: No idea either. I googled, but I'll keep mum -- who knows?


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:50 PM
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more formal restaurants

Same worldview holds that restaurants can't be formal, they can only be fancy.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 1:50 PM
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The Helen Delich Bentley Port of Baltimore is deeply offensive to me.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:00 PM
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It's push-ups for me, I'm afraid.


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This seems like it belongs here.
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89: With all the Nobel Peace Prizes that have been awarded to people that brought peace to the Middle East, I'm sure it must be the most peaceful region ever.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:03 PM
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@93, I had no idea that they named ports after people.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:09 PM
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96: But I should admit I would have had to do push-ups by Sir Kraab's rules.

Also, I would have to cheat to do the push-ups.

I did remember what the Mississippi Freedom Delegation was just as I was going to google it.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:13 PM
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|| So a friend tells me his cousin's kid (5-year-old) complained that her vagina hurt and, when he took her to the bathroom, there was blood. Next day, he says the kid apparently fell at school, there was a bruise, and that's all it was. My instinct is that if there was blood, a doctor should weigh in. My friend doesn't disagree, but says he has to trust his cousin's judgment. My friend is right and I should resist my natural inclination to be a pain in the ass about the fact that I think the cousin should at least call the doctor. Right? |>


Posted by: Grover Cleveland | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:17 PM
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100: FWIW, my younger daughter had a bike-seat accident that left her in a similar condition. Likely the hymen, which is a weird thing to know about one's 5-yo.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:22 PM
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You mean a doctor should weigh in because significant medical treatment may be required, or to evaluate the risk that the kid is being sexually abused? If the first, I think you're off base -- just because something broke the skin on or near the genitals doesn't make it a serious injury, and a sensible adult looking at it should be able to make that call. If the second? Huh. I would say you're too many degrees of separation away to be directly interfering. But maybe ask your friend if that's what they're worried about, and if so, why? And if their reasons sound reasonable to you, encourage them to do whatever makes sense.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:22 PM
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99: "There was a bruise" is the weirdest part of that anecdote for me, because I'm having a hard time visualizing where the bruise would be and where the blood would have come from if the problem were some blunt force impact that left a bruise, but I'm even more removed from this than you are. But like chopper, if this seems to be a simple injury, there's no reason to assume it's worse than any other simple injury unless there are more complaints or more info.

I'm not sure whether "he" is the cousin or the friend, but if your friend suspects abuse, he should call the state hotline and report that while there's still forensic evidence. Most big cities have Children's Advocacy Centers that can do forensic exams if that's something the friend or cousin (or, if this gets reported, caseworkers) think is warranted.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 2:29 PM
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On the general topic of the Civil Rights movement, allow me to recommend I've Got the Light of Freedom by Charles Payne. Not at all new, but very good.


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"He" is the friend. Cousin has an acrimonious divorce, so Friend's first comment was suspicion of the ex-spouse. If the cousin isn't going there, I'm guessing that was off-base. The bruise response baffled me, too, but maybe I wouldn't have been if the Friend hadn't voiced a suspicion.


Posted by: Grover Cleveland | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:05 PM
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"There was a bruise" is the weirdest part of that anecdote for me, because I'm having a hard time visualizing where the bruise would be and where the blood would have come from if the problem were some blunt force impact that left a bruise

Yeah, I've already leaped ahead to some sort of exotic flavor of hemorrhagic disease, possibly genetic, possibly spread by terrorists. I suspect there are some facts we don't know or some that have been distorted during transfer.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:07 PM
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Unless Friend has more reason than that to worry that Cousin's ex is abusing the kid, I think he's being overly concerned.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:08 PM
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Good to cover all the bases, Biohazard.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:18 PM
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107: Well, someone has to think about the children and I'm bored enough today to make a small attempt.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:25 PM
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Just working off most-likely scenarios here, if this 5-year-old is being sexually abused by her parent after an acrimonious divorce, that would typically involve a significant dose of shame and secrecy that would probably make her unlikely to directly disclose vaginal pain and bleeding to her second cousin once removed or whatever. So if that's any solace to you, there's that.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:29 PM
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The bruise part doesn't strike me as that weird. I'm guessing I'm not the only one here who smashed his nuts a time or two as a kid fucking around on the monkey bars and/or trying to pull off other balancing feats.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:30 PM
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106: Yeah, they're all a bunch of weirdos, but I don't know of any reason to think they are harmful weirdos.


Posted by: Grover Cleveland | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:33 PM
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110: No, bruising and kid isn't a strange combination, or at least it wasn't with my cohort nor with my kid's. It's bruising + blood that strikes me as strange.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:34 PM
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pause, play, y'all. Is it weird for a man in his thirties to go to a basketball court to practice lay-ups?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:41 PM
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Well, the bleeding is moderately weird (allowing for the fact that this is by this point a fifth or sixth hand story, so there's no way at all to figure anything out). But assuming the bleeding is from some tumbling-around kid injury, adding a bruise acquired in the same event isn't weird at all -- like, fell on the edge of a chair or something crotch-first and drew blood, and then continued the fall to the ground and bruised another body-part on landing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:42 PM
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Also, Grover, a 5-year-old's parents should be pretty good at knowing the giveaways when she's lying. If the Friend's Cousin wasn't bothered by the school injury story, that probably means it was told plausibly.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:42 PM
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114: Could be. Or maybe radiation damage from a dirty bomb being assembled by the janitor?


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:47 PM
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Call the police and the child's school, and tell them both that you suspect sexual abuse. They will sort it out.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 3:57 PM
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116: We can't afford to rule anything out.

117: To the extent that it can ever be determined whether Urple is kidding, I believe Urple is kidding. I would consider 117 bad advice, if taken seriously.


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118.2: unless 117 is understood to refer to 113.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:04 PM
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118.1 Possibilities are everywhere:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/02/6-hanford-tanks-are-leaking-nuclear-waste-inslee-says/


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:08 PM
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Mississippi Freedom Delegation

As part of my push-ups googling, I learned that I was wrong in assuming that it was Mississippi that went on to have a slate of unpledged electors in the general election. It was Alabama (which Goldwater won 70/30), but Goldwater did take Mississippi 87/12. In 1960, unpledged Democratic electors did win in Mississippi.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:11 PM
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Is it weird for a man in his thirties to go to a basketball court to practice lay-ups?

Comparatively? Less weird than going to a library to practice lay-ups.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:27 PM
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Thanks Stanley. The thing is that if basketball is going to be my source of exercise, I can't be a complete liability on the court, which means I have to hit layups. And I was never very good and now am missing them constantly. But a short white man doing a lay-up drill by himself looks a bit suspect. It makes me feel like a child.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:37 PM
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You could kidnap some actual children from somewhere and pretend to be coaching them.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:42 PM
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There's a little park nearby that's filled with them but it would take awhile as I can only carry two at once.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:45 PM
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But a short white man doing a lay-up drill by himself looks a bit suspect.

And there's nothing like the comments from the Unfoggetariat to make one feel less self-conscious, more spontaneous in one's enjoyment of anything. I would guess, just off-hand, that seeing a short white man practicing anything to do with basketball inspires thoughts of "child molester working on his grooming techniques" in any onlookers.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:47 PM
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text could train Mr. Miyagi-style. The corresponding motion to lay-ups is probably stocking the high shelves at a grocery store. So step one is to apply for a part-time job at the local Ralph's.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:53 PM
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I remember the gentleman in 83 had a park near the UN headquarters, but I couldn't remember his name.


Posted by: Light Rail Tycoon | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:54 PM
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I would guess, just off-hand, that seeing a short white man practicing anything to do with basketball inspires thoughts of "child molester working on his grooming techniques" in any onlookers.

Not, "unrealistically aspiring basketball hustler"?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:57 PM
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"child molester working on his grooming techniques"

This shouldn't be an issue as I don't groom much. I could just stay at home and practice my naked drums.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 4:58 PM
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What happened to the affirming unfogged community whose love once bathed me like dragon's blood?


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:00 PM
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someone tell me it's ok.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:01 PM
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Less weird than going to a library to practice lay-ups.

Stanley has the right idea. Also less weird than going to a basketball court to practice cello, or going to Bouvet Island to practice psychiatry. When you consider all the possibilities, it's really not that weird.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:07 PM
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ok I'm gonna do it!


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:09 PM
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64: the aforementioned Credit Mobilier scandal, again and again.

It was only a month or two ago that I learned, via aimless wikiying, that there were two different, entirely unrelated Credit Mobilier scandals.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:12 PM
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The elementary school across the street from my parents house had a couple rims that were only like eight feet so it was common to see middle aged white guys over there having pickup games especially on holidays after they'd had a few beers. One of those times our neighbor was over there with some friends and his sons and forgot to take his wedding ring off. It caught on the rim while he was dunking and damn near ripped his finger clean off. They managed to save it at the hospital.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:24 PM
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I don't think any part of that is true, sorry.


Posted by: text | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:29 PM
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115: My kid is 6, and either he has the best poker face ever or I'm a total idiot. Even when I know he's lying, I don't see any visual/voice/behavior clues.


Posted by: antipodestrian | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:34 PM
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136, 137: Similar thing happened to Neil Armstrong, except that it wasn't a basketball hoop but rather the back of a truck, and the finger was severed. He packed it on ice, and it was reattached.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:42 PM
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Back in the halcyon days of my 30s I used to practice basketball alone all the time (and sometimes play in games but I would invariably lose). I am a really bad basketball player but I found the whole exercise of trying to get the ball in the hoop, dribbling around, etc. to be very soothing. I would also pretend I was playing for my favorite team. Full court one on none is a very good workout.

I did feel somewhat, well, youthful when doing it, but I never really thought of the child molester angle. Thanks, Unfogged.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:52 PM
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We have a hoop in our driveway. When the weather's warm my wife and I drink outside on Friday nights and make the girls play along with our drunken games of HORSE.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 5:59 PM
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129: You're still young, LB, idealistic, and capable of seeing good in people. It will pass.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:18 PM
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I know several people from the DC area who continue to call the airport "National" despite the official renaming as "Reagan National".

I told a Washington taxi driver to take me to National Airport (as I always do), and he said "So you're a Democrat, eh?. The Democrats say 'National'; Republicans say 'Reagan'."

There is a similar phenomenon in Paris, where socialist/communist taxi drivers will correct you if you ask to be taken to "Charles De Gaulle", substituting the old designation "Roissy" (named for the nearby town).


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:23 PM
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I attended a conference at the Reagan building in DC some years ago and something about it made me feel like I was entering an airport when I went in.

I say National airport without thinking about it. A couple of times people have commented on that and it takes me a few seconds to remember there's another name.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:41 PM
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Similar thing happened to Neil Armstrong, except that it wasn't a basketball hoop but rather the back of a truck, and the finger was severed.

This happened to Neil Armstrong, but not Neil Young?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:49 PM
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143.last: It's like you didn't even read 56.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 6:52 PM
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146: 56 didn't mention the communist vs De Gaullist distinction though.

Personally, if I hear someone talk about going to Roissy, my first thought would be BDSM, not air travel.


Posted by: Hamilton-Lovecraft | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:03 PM
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It's conceptual pwnage, dammit!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:06 PM
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|| It's come to my attention that a distant cousin is in some really big trouble for giving ibogaine to someone addicted to opiates. Does anyone know anything about this stuff? |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:29 PM
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Doesn't it come up in Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas? I don't actually know anything about it, but I associate the word with some kind of ridiculous gonzo writing about drugs.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:51 PM
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Yes, but my internet stalking shows a situation that is way less conventionally normal than anything Thompson wrote. Think a practice of pygmy spirituality and herbalism. In Brooklyn. (Soon to be relocated to Hastings? Not sure there's enugh opiate dependency in the hipster crowd . . .)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 7:57 PM
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Pygmy spirituality? As in, spirituality characteristic of the cultures people from central Africa who are generally on the short side?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:00 PM
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Bwiti, yes.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:10 PM
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Wasn't ibogaine the drug in the fake George McGovern rumor? A friend of mine spoofed that covering Jenny McCarthy's vaccine mishegas here.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:13 PM
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Which may not be the religion of actual pygmies, but of other groups in Gabon and Cameroon.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:14 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bwiti

The stuff used in these rituals is Schedule 1.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:15 PM
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Fake Ed Muskie rumor, it turns out. Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 8:16 PM
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http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/GS-AdamEveIboga.htm

The mythology here is quite something.


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157: In retrospect. however, it is easy to see why Muskie fell apart on that caboose platform in the Miami train station. There he was--far gone in a bad Ibogaine frenzy--suddenly shoved out in a rainstorm to face a sullen crowd and some kind of snarling lunatic going for his legs while he tried to explain why he was "the only Democrat who can beat Nixon."

The lunatic being the "Savage Boohoo" to whom HST apparently really did gave his press credentials for Muskie's "Sunshine Express" campaign train. In Florida.


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But my favorite Muskie in Florida story is this reputedly true anecdote recounted in Timothy Crouse's The Boys on the Bus. (Read it even if you don't care for HST--foreshadows decades of national political press misfeasance.)

There was, for instance, the incident on election night in Florida when Muskie went into a rage over returns and tried to resign. "All his major advisers up there in his hotel room," recalled an eyewitness, Muskie just had a fit. He screamed and ranted like something out of Morat/Sade. He kept shouting, You __________ guys made me commit political suicide! You made me ____ come out against the Space Shuttle!'"

When Muskie had calmed down, he and his advisers left the room and crowded into an elevator to go down to the doomed election night party where he was to deliver his concession statement. The dialogue in the elevator, according to the same eyewitness, went like this:

"What are you going to say, Senator?" asked Berl Bernhard, Muskie's campaign manager.

Muskie stared at him. "You'd like to know, wouldn't you?" he growled.

"Yes, Senator, we certainly would," Bernhard said nervously.

Muskie just stood and glared. Jane put her head on his shoulder. "Oh, Ed," she said. "if you go back to Maine we can have another baby. "

And Muskie, said the eyewitness, suddenly seemed to change his mind. One thought of another kid in Kennebunkport, and he walked right out to the microphones and told the crowd he was still in the race."I swear to God," said the eyewitness. "That's what did it."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-13 9:19 PM
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149: it has had quite the rep as an underground treatment for heroin addiction for a long time, yeah. Plus side: lots of people swear it has helped them. Minus side: it might kinda kill people sometimes. The clinical jury is still out as far as I know but may be leaning towards "uh, we don't know why that would work."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-23-13 12:02 AM
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Think a practice of pygmy spirituality and herbalism. In Brooklyn.

No. I will not. I refuse even to attempt it.

(I gather that ibogaine is one of those tourist drug experiences that backpacking hippies seek out for the sake of a good story at home. I would bet a large amount of money that D/an/ie/l Pi/nc/hbec/k has written about it.)


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-23-13 6:35 AM
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it might kinda kill people sometimes

Ibogaine. I'd bet my life on it.


Posted by: Prince Humperdinck | Link to this comment | 02-23-13 11:26 AM
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someone tell me it's ok.

Arriving late, I will say it's okay. And, as another not very good basketball player, my experience is that practicing lay-ups can make a big difference. For a while we had a hoop in the parking lot at work and because there would be cars parked around it I would only shoot lay-ups and I noticed, relatively quickly that I was getting better at making lay-ups in games as well.

[Sadly I haven't played any basketball in about two years, but I'm hoping this is the year I get enough of a break from work that I can start back up again.]


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 02-23-13 12:03 PM
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160 is good, thanks.


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164: I practiced and my layups are presently going in about half the time. Now I'm going to drive to the hole and piss everyone off.


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Damn, ibogaine thread and I missed it.


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