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I picture on the upper left (for me at least) is of Fleur Delacour and Bill Weasley chillin' at The Burrow. Who wouldn't want to live there?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:28 AM
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Bohemian homes, or an urban version


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:30 AM
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1: The Burrow is the Weasley family home of his parents, not where he moved with Fleur after getting married.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:43 AM
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Pacing!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:44 AM
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I wish I could link online to the super-in-this-vein photo shoot of my friend A's house that appeared in a Japanese magazine last year.

Just the google image search results for pictures from the magazine in question will probably please you.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:47 AM
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I am curious what it is that makes these homes "bohemian". Middle Eastern-inspired textiles and patterns? Artful clutter? Lots of plants? Antiques? Shabby chic?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:50 AM
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I think mostly artful clutter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:51 AM
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Also check out Lloyd Kahn's blog and Tiny House Swoon if you like this sort of thing.

Most of my friends live in fairly bohemian houses. I went over to one activist house a year or two ago, and was well chuffed to see a poster that I'd helped wheatpaste around town 20 years ago up on the wall. It was only recently affixed, but there are some activist houses around that seem to have been continuously occupied by a rotating cast of radicals since I was first involved with the scene. I'm sure there are probably other towns where that happens on an even longer-term basis.

You know what I have always wanted to do? Rent an apartment in one of those awesome hill towns in S. Europe. for a few months to chill out. Has anyone here lived in one of those? Was it fun?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:52 AM
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Bare wood, profuse plants, rusticity, clutter, worn-ness.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:53 AM
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Cushions on the floor! Wood burning things! Mossy crap!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:55 AM
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My house is kinda bohemian, I guess. If by 'bohemian' we mean 'too many books and too much deferred maintenance'. I haven't made a lot of cool modifications to it yet though. And it has vinyl siding, which would seem to detract from the bohemian quotient.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:56 AM
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Too much deferred maintenance = my kitchen, rapidly. It's the apogee of having been expensive at the time without having been actually well wrought in any way. I sure wish I could magically renovate it at a cost of no (a) money, (b) extended time without a kitchen.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:58 AM
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I like that Japanese magazine stuff. Clutter plus off-kilter modernism/minimalism is probably my preferred decorating style.

This website is my go-to for daydreaming about unrealistic yet appealing living spaces and situations.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:04 AM
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8: one of those awesome hill towns in S. Europe

Almost. I rented an apartment in one of those awesome decrepit hill towns in S. Europe. Pennsylvania for a few months to chill out and moved away as quickly as I could.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:05 AM
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I endorse the site linked in 13!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:06 AM
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13 is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:08 AM
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14: But see, the Pennsyltucky aspects of living in Umbria or wherever would be less apparent since I don't speak the language.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:08 AM
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I also wish I had the time and money to do this:
http://www.northhouse.org/courses/courses/coursesbytheme.cfm/tid/13

So near, and yet, so far. Sigh.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:11 AM
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Turkey was super-nice. We were not too adventurous, first time there, but trains ran on time, public services well-designed and easy to use. Didn't stay in a small town in the hills, though. The biggest drawback in Turkey would be the need to drive-- city driving there is definitely to be avoided. When I go back, I'll probably see if I can rent an apartment, which is usually what I do in places where I can speak the language.

Nimes in France is another place I'll be going back to-- mid sized, great TGV connection to Paris, convenient to lots of nice places, reasonably priced.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:11 AM
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Rent an apartment in one of those awesome hill towns in S. Europe. for a few months to chill out. Has anyone here lived in one of those?

A friend of mine tried to do this in for a summer in Siracusa and ended up in a string of uninhabitably roach-infested apartments. Each of them seemed fine when she would see it during the day, but then the giant roaches would come out at night.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:17 AM
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Maybe that's why my grandma refused to go back to Sicily ever.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:19 AM
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I was also going to vote for Turkey, which is cheap and fun, plus the food is amazing. Country driving in Turkey is not hard, IME. I did stay in a small town in the hills, but as part of a dig and so not managing my affairs myself.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:19 AM
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19.2: Nîmes is lovely, but I suspect rather larger than what natilo has in mind. Arles is probably more his speed.

A friend of mine lived in a smaller hill town in Italy in college. She loved it but then Fr/ances Ma/yes wrote a book about it and it got completely overrun with tourists.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:22 AM
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Gar. So many levels of yuck and jealousy. I hate/want/envy all of those pictures. Especially the one with the tree growing from a mysterious place in the living room.


Posted by: Mentioner | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:25 AM
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Instead of renovating a house to live in, I should buy a few acres somewhere forested and build a cabin using mostly materials from the site and day laborers from the parking lot of the Home Depot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:27 AM
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When I looked, a walkable place in Arles was much more expensive than Nimes. Been a few years, maybe a more effective search would be possible.

Driving in Turkey seemed highly variable from the passenger seat-- some roads were fine, but city driving and 2-lane roads not quite big enough for the traffic they carry looked much worse than other places I've driven. Both road design and other drivers contributed to the invigorating sense of terror.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:29 AM
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I've come very close to the plan in 25 in recent years, though replace forest with "mountain scrubland." I haven't bit the bullet yet but someday I will have my shack.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:37 AM
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Day laborers figure prominently in the most unpleasant jury duty experiences people that I know have had around here. I'm sure that lots of those guys are great people, but....
Even when I have contractors do work, I ask how long the crew that'll do the work has been with them.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:41 AM
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A friend drove round Turkey a few years ago and said it was very much a game of two halves. In the west, and on the Mediterranean coast the roads were fine, but once he got up into the mountains further east it was a whole nother story. He had a Landrover and said he needed everything it had got.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:43 AM
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I'm not following 28. Jury duty?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:43 AM
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but then the giant roaches would come out at night

I've had this problem, but with ice weasels.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:44 AM
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Day laborers figure as defendants often in my small nonscientific sampling of local crime.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:45 AM
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The site in the OP even manages to pull off infinite scrolling with reasonable taste.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:50 AM
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Someone (not me; I'm an idea man) should start a tumblr of the ne-plus-romantic, rundown-but-stylish, out-of-the-way-yet-at-the-heart-of-things living spaces of action heroes: Riggs' trailer on the beach in the Lethal Weapon movies, Chance* Boudreaux's warehouse full of doves in Hard Target, the sewer in Punisher War Zone, Sonny Crockett's boat (with Elvis the alligator), Travis McGee's Busted Flush, Jonathan Hemlock's church in The Eiger Sanction, Harry Bosch's earthquake-damaged house on stilts, the Batcave, etc., etc.

Bonus points: Compare and contrast the living spaces of villains.

* "My momma took one," as Van Damme says, perhaps ignorant of the Tennessee Williams allusion.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:55 AM
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Rockford's trailer.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:57 AM
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Here's a clutter question: how many toys should a child have? We're trying to decide what to do with our playroom (get more storage so the stuff there fits vs. get rid of 80% of the stuff so it's a minimalist space, or maybe there's middle ground) and having a big disagreement over the purpose of toys and whether having variety to choose from is better from having two stuffed animals or one puppet in terms of encouraging creative play that grows with the child and blah blah blah.

I'm supposed to ask whether it's better to have 30 Fisher Price guys or 2 and at what point toys that don't used get given away, and whether that changes if it's because they're too old for the child.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:02 AM
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Rockford's trailer was in the trailer park in Malibu, and would now cost $1,000,000. This makes me so sad.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:02 AM
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36: I've already lost that battle once.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:07 AM
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I looked at the listings for that Malibu trailer park a while ago and there were a couple of trailers for about $400,000, if that makes you cry a bit less.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:07 AM
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36 -- I have no idea. I feel like my kid has SO MANY TOYS and it's not like I've tried to buy many at all. I mean she has two houses so the stuff at my house is only 1/2 of her collection but I feel like just at my place has about 6x the quantity of toys I did as a kid. I guess toys are cheap now so eh why not load up but there sure are a lot of them.

In the day laborer built mountain shack she will be able to have one rag doll and that's it.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:08 AM
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Does that include the ground under the trailer?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:08 AM
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The problem is that toys are so cheap these days that they just accumulate. I would (that is, I personally never did, but if I were a better and more energetic person I would have thought this was a good strategy) pare down to whatever fits in the storage you've got -- let the kids put away what they care about, and if it doesn't fit it gets given/thrown away. But you'll have to repeat the process every three months -- little plastic things appear out of nowhere.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:11 AM
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I've already lost the battle and I'm going to clear the bulk of everything out and maybe relocate a box or two to the basement, but I get mad whenever tidiness becomes a moral issue in our house because THEY'RE KIDS and that's why they don't put everything away in the right place. If they had two toys, they'd still get put in the wrong place. But whatever.

Lee is mad that I wouldn't ask my coworkers this question and thinks I'm lying that their kids have many more toys than Nia and Mara do, so having input on either hand here won't change anything in either direction.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:13 AM
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Do any of your kids sleep with over 50 stuffed animals in their bed? Just curious.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:20 AM
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43: If I understand the positions people are taking, I agree that tidiness isn't a moral issue (and if it were I'd be in real trouble), but I do agree with Lee that paring way down is a good idea, in that it makes tidiness possible without too much fuss about it. And kids really are mostly just as happy with two sticks and a rock to play with.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:20 AM
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I'm trying to move largely because I have completely failed to get my wife to throw away anything and know that moving will require her to go through her stuff.


Posted by: Gerald Ford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:23 AM
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Paring down IS a good idea and I understand that it has to be my job because I'm the only one who knows who things belong to, but it's just annoying to get another job pushed onto me because of other people not doing what they could. I am a very cranky parent and a horrible partner, basically, but I keep those parts inside a lot and then let them out over stupid things.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:24 AM
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41 -- my understanding is (amazingly at that price) no. You buy the right to the structure and the location within the park but the trailer park company owns the land and you still have to pay some kind of rent for the space. And I think the park owner could sell all the land at any time, except maybe it can't because of development restrictions.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:27 AM
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46 -- I can see why you were defeated in the election, Mr. President. Moving stuff requires picking it up, putting it in a box, and either carrying the box or watching someone else carry it. Throwing it away requires picking it up, making a decision about keeping it, then putting it in a container of some kind that must either be carried, or can be watched while someone else carries it. The former is not more difficult than the latter.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:27 AM
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49: Moving stuff means you have to carry it twice, once out and once in.


Posted by: Gerald Ford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:30 AM
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3: Oh, they're at their own place, not the Burrow. I am suitably chastened


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:41 AM
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Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:42 AM
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Here's a clutter question: how many toys should a child have?

At Mara's age, you can get away with having a toy rotation. Put 3/4 of her toys in a storage container where they won't clutter up the house and she can't get to them. When she starts getting bored with the toys she has out, "find" one of the toys that had previouly been lost. Then slip some of the toys she's no longer interested in back into storage.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:45 AM
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53:That one already got vetoed as unacceptable because all toys not currently being used should be given away. That would have been my preference, and is basically how her school does it.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:48 AM
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47: Are the kids old enough to do a bunch of the work? "We're going to get rid of the toys you don't play with anymore. Put everything you want to keep away, and what's still out when you're done, we'll sweep up in a big bag and take to Goodwill (or throw out or whatever)." I mean, they're still little, you'd have to be in the room helping, but you could probably sit and knit and talk them through most of it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:48 AM
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Not if you can get someone else to carry it at least once.

In any event, even the extra carry is easier than looking at the thing and thinking through whether it should be kept (to maybe think about again) or lost forever.

YMMV, obviously.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:49 AM
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a toy rotation

Now I want a giant Lazy Susan for toys.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:49 AM
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re: 52

In our recent experience, every single f*cking midwife or health worker has a completely different opinion on what is or is not OK vis a vis pacifiers, breastfeeding, co-sleeping, expressing, when to introduce formula, which things that were normal 10 years ago are definitely going to kill/main/enfeeble your baby, etc. Half of them cite 'research'.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:54 AM
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That one already got vetoed as unacceptable because all toys not currently being used should be given away.

I know individual relationship dynamics are hard to judge from the outside, but jesus this makes me want to say that the one who deems things unacceptable should deal with it her fucking self.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:54 AM
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(We did actually do 55 once or twice, but it didn't help for more than a couple of weeks.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 9:59 AM
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40: I guess toys are cheap now so eh why not load up but there sure are a lot of them.

They really do seem to be getting cheaper, at least versus inflationary pressure on other commodities. I was looking at some old LEGO catalogs from the late '80s the other day, and the prices listed for the stuff you could order from home worked out to about $.10 per piece. Nowadays, pieces in sets seem to run between $.11 and $.14 per piece, if you cut out a few sets at either end of the curve. That's kinda remarkable.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:04 AM
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52, 58: The key thing to remember is that babies generally live through the experience, even when raised by idiots. Anything reasonable you do will probably be fine.

Actually, come to think, I've had the impression in prior breastfeeding conversations that I was being less than sensitive to women feeling pressured to breastfeed at the cost of personal hardship. I was just talking to a friend with a two-week old who was complaining about how rough it's been (the baby's gaining weight well, she has plenty of supply, but she's had a round of mastitis already and the kid wants to eat literally all the time and it's driving her nuts), and I gave her a: "Look, 90% of people in my generation were bottlefed and we're all fine. While breastfeeding's probably better when you're looking over the population as a whole, if it's driving you crazy you don't have to do it, the kid will be okay whatever you do," speech (as well as saying that it does get easier for most people as the kid gets older and has more neck control and you develop your own skills). Was this helpful, you think? I was trying to take pressure off her.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:05 AM
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Look, 90% of people in my generation were bottlefed and we're all fine.

I'm a perpetually just a bit nervous and generally bad tempered, but I blame not smoking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:07 AM
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59: Well, yeah, but then she'd do things like throw out my favorite toy from when I was little or the only thing Mara has from her dead grandmother because it's worthless plastic crap, and so it's really not worth the extra work of having her do it and me then edit it and offend her in the process.

We just had a huge fight about this and all the other stuff that ended with her agreeing that we should adopt Nia, so I do feel better moving forward with cleaning and culling at least knowing who it's all for and that I won't need to package any of it up to send somewhere else in a few months and be mad that we don't have stuff I'm ready to get rid of. So this is all a good thing in the long run, and even though she says I shouldn't do it tonight, I'll do some preliminary sorting and cleaning tonight and we can move on with our lives. And I am a weepy mess, but feel better.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:12 AM
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Congratulations, Thorn. And as important, congratulations to Nia.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:20 AM
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Well, yeah, but then she'd do things like throw out my favorite toy from when I was little or the only thing Mara has from her dead grandmother because it's worthless plastic crap, and so it's really not worth the extra work of having her do it and me then edit it and offend her in the process.

This situation sounds like it's largely decided, but the next time something like this comes up, you might want to look at this thinking again. I think there's a virtue to having the partner who wants something done invested in the process of doing it, even if that doesn't take the whole burden off the other partner. And there's a learning curve -- if you're shutting her out of domestic responsibilities because you're unhappy with how she'll do them, she'll never start picking up the slack.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:21 AM
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66: Yeah, that is supposed to be our rule and I think she falls away from it more than I do. I do not redo her other jobs (other than reload the dishwasher because we have an ongoing disagreement about whether surface area matters) but having her throw away things that matter because she can't handle the clutter is an ongoing problem and one that she should solve herself but that in reality I'm overseeing because neither of us wants to deal with the consequences otherwise.

I don't prevent her from doing anything around the house, including loading the dishwasher, because I do it better. There are things she refuses to do (clean the upstairs bathroom, run the dishwasher) that make me really angry, but there's not a lot I can do about that. I do or don't do jobs in ways that bother her, too. No matter how good our relationship is, chores and all the meta stuff about chores are going to be a problem at times because our priorities are just so different.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:28 AM
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And now that I write that, instead of being annoyed that she was asking me to do one more job, I should have been relieved that she was giving me the chance to do it in a way that was acceptable to me. But it's still one more job and she probably shouldn't have bothered me in the middle of a busy morning that was horrible at work to let me know that I should clean something up some time in the future.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:29 AM
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but having her throw away things that matter because she can't handle the clutter is an ongoing problem and one that she should solve herself but that in reality I'm overseeing because neither of us wants to deal with the consequences otherwise.

Could you maybe make a first pass and protect things that are important, and then leave her to run wild and throw out whatever else she likes? I guess I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who would have liked to throw everything we own out multiple times, barring two changes of clothes and a plate, a mug, a bowl, and a set of cutlery each, and was restrained by a partner who could get sentimental about dust and dead leaves. We compromised by mostly not throwing anything out ever, which was made possible by the fact that I don't actually have any standards for tidiness, but I found it painful.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:32 AM
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69 -- yeah I've got to say I'm on team Lee w/r/t the clutter issue. But I come to that from a perspective of basically never having regretted throwing anything out,* ever.

*Except a navajo rug that I inherited and somehow lost that I now realize was super valuable. Why did I do that?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:34 AM
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69 is basically what we do, but recent adventures related to Mara's social security card disappearing have thrown the adequacy of that into question, though luckily that problem was resolved and even more luckily it was unambiguously in no way my fault.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:40 AM
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and was restrained by a partner who could get sentimental about dust and dead leaves

During the great t-shirt war of 2011, I realized that I was both completely right and going to lose.


Posted by: Gerald Ford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:41 AM
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If you find yourself fighting a war over t-shirts, you've already lost.


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I have given up on explaining the correct meaning of the word "entitlement."

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Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:50 AM
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69 is basically what we do

Too easy.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:51 AM
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74: I really want to forget that I know what "decimate" actually means.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 10:57 AM
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It'd be a funny old world where words were static forever.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:04 AM
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I agree with 77 in general, but so many other things use 'deci' for ten that I'm annoyed by 'decimate' shifting meanings. Maybe we could have it mean "destroyed ten times" and everybody would be happy?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:10 AM
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And change it do 'decamate.'


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:14 AM
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Dodecamate is where you kill one out of every 12.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:16 AM
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A kinder, gentler decimation.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:17 AM
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I dunno, "Decamate" sounds like some kind of coffee or coffee accessory.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:17 AM
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I'd give 3:1 odds that someone used "decimate" as imprecisely as today within 100 years of its first citation. Even odds within 50 years. Anyone have OED online access?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:18 AM
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Unfoggedodecimation


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:18 AM
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Back to the original post, I'm really tempted to make something like this if I can think of a place to put it. Or a little cluster of them, probably, and use one of those spool knitting, um, spools to make the cords, not knotted embroidery floss.

I'm also probably going to ATM for thoughts about quilts and quilting someday, but I don't think today is the day for that.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:19 AM
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My understanding of "decimate" may be out of date. I see it used generally to mean "reduce sample to 1 in 10", i.e. kill 90%, as opposed to the original meaning in Roman military law of killing 10%. Has it moved on from there? 1000%?


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83: Wasn't it originally a punishment for mutiny in Roman times, where they killed every 10th guy in a unit? Or is that a folk etymology? If so, I am going to be very disappointed in Rosemary Sutcliffe.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:22 AM
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87. No, that's right. It was specifically a punishment for a unit which ran away in action. The point was that one in ten were selected at random, and the other nine in their "candidate group" had to kill their comrade.


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Well good.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:32 AM
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Easy for you to say.


Posted by: Opinionated Legionare under Crassus | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:37 AM
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I am not happy that the general level of jerkishness has been so high around here that my May Day celebrations this year will be ruined/non-existant. The snow/rain mix does not help either. Nor the fact that people at work have been playing at silly buggers. Sigh.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:37 AM
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Does no one else find Ed Markey's slogan "Social security isn't an entitlement. It's something we *earned*!" awkward and painful?


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:42 AM
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but then the giant roaches would come out at night

I've had this problem, but with ice weasels.

I've had this problem, but with tigers, with their voices soft as thunder.


Posted by: Opinionated Fantine or Eponine or some damn Ine. | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:43 AM
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What immortal hand or eye
Decimates thy fearful symmetry?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:45 AM
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I note that they didn't have html tags in 19th century France.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 11:58 AM
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Another thought I've had is instead of the day-laborer mountain cabin, why not a Yurt in my hypothetical remote piece of mountain property. Eating my steaks in a remote yurt would be awesome because it's close to going full barbarian.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:06 PM
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You still need day laborers to put in a foundation or raised deck for your yurt if you want it to last.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:09 PM
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96.2. Hang on, that's pretty racist. A friend of mine was once invited by a colleague to spend the weekend in a yurt and the only barbaric thing about the colleague in question was that she was a university administrator. She called it a gur and her parents lived in it for part of the year because it was convenient to their work.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:20 PM
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True, but maybe I could call them my "bondsmen" and have them carry the yurt to distant portions of my mountain domain before feasting. Or something like that.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:21 PM
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Buck wants a yurt, or some other kind of remote hut-like residence. I am not taking a position on this until it looks concrete, which my guess is it never will. And if it does, I've lived in hut-like residences, and it was okay, mostly.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:21 PM
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decimate, v.

Pronunciation: /ˈdɛsɪmeɪt/
Etymology:

†1. To exact a tenth or a tithe from; to tax to the amount of one-tenth. Obs. In Eng. Hist., see decimation n. 1.
1656 T. Blount Glossographia, Decimate, to take the tenth, to gather the Tyth.
1657 T. Burton Diary (1828) I. 317 Not one man was decimated, but who had acted or spoken against the present government.
1738 D. Neal Hist. Puritans IV. 96 That all who had been in arms for the king..should be decimated; that is pay a tenth part of their estates.
a1845 S. Smith Wks. (1850) 688 The decimated person.



†2. To divide into tenths, divide decimally. Obs.
1752 G. Smethurst in Philos. Trans. 1749-50 (Royal Soc.) 46 22 The Chinese..are so happy as to have their Parts of an Integer in their Coins, &c. decimated.



3. Mil. To select by lot and put to death one in every ten of (a body of soldiers guilty of mutiny or other crime): a practice in the ancient Roman army, sometimes followed in later times.
c1600 J. Dymmok Treat. Ireland (1842) 42 All..were by a martiall courte condemned to dye, which sentence was yet mittigated by the Lord Lieutenants mercy, by which they were onely decimated by lott.
a1639 H. Wotton Earle of Essex & Duke of Buckingham: Parallel in Reliquiæ Wottonianæ (1651) 30 In Ireland..he [Earl of Essex] decimated certain troops that ran away, renewing a peece of the Roman Discipline.
1720 J. Ozell et al. tr. R. A. de Vertot Hist. Revol. Rom. Republic I. iii. 185 Appius decimated, that is, put every Tenth Man to death among the Soldiers.
1840 W. F. Napier Hist. War Peninsula VI. xxii. v. 293 The soldiers could not be decimated until captured.
1855 T. B. Macaulay Hist. Eng. IV. 577 Who is to determine whether it be or be not necessary..to decimate a large body of mutineers?



a. To kill, destroy, or remove one in every ten of.


b. rhetorically or loosely. To destroy or remove a large proportion of; to subject to severe loss, slaughter, or mortality.
1663 J. Spencer Disc. Prodigies vi. 96 The..Lord..sometimes decimates a multitude of offenders, and discovers in the personal sufferings of a few what all deserve.
1812 W. Taylor in Monthly Rev. 79 181 An expurgatory index, pointing out the papers which it would be fatiguing to peruse, and thus decimating the contents into legibility.
1848 C. Brontë Let. 28 Aug. in E. C. Gaskell Life C. Brontë (1857) II. ii. 76 Typhus fever decimated the school periodically.
1875 C. Lyell Princ. Geol. II. iii. xlii. 466 The whole animal Creation has been decimated again and again.
1877 H. M. Field Lakes of Killarney 340 This conscription weighs very heavily on the Mussulmen..who are thus decimated from year to year.
1883 L. Oliphant Haifa (1887) 76 Cholera..was then decimating the country.



ˈdecimated adj.
1669 Dryden Wild Gallant ii. i. 18, I have heard you are as poor as a decimated Cavalier.
a1845 S. Smith Wks. (1850) 688 The decimated person.


ˈdecimating adj.
a1627 T. Middleton Mayor of Quinborough (1661) To Rdr. sig. A2, Now whether this Magistrate fear'd the decimating times.
1670 W. Penn Great Case Liberty of Consc. in Wks. (1726) I. 447 The insatiable Appetites of a decimating Clergy.



Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:22 PM
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98 -- you say that like being a barbarian is a bad thing.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 12:22 PM
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out by me, goodwill won't take toys because of lead paint issues. I just throw away old toys.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 1:45 PM
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My brother lives in a yurt - one of those from Pacific Yurts, in fact. Currently in South Humboldt, working at a winery. He says it's great except when he gets up in the morning to go outside and take a leak and smacks the door into a bear.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 2:09 PM
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Maybe he should move the door.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 2:15 PM
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Just remember that the bear is more afraid of you than you are of him. Unless you're really afraid of bears or the bear has a Xanax script.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 2:16 PM
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Or the bear gets a bad case of the kray.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 2:26 PM
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104: Oh sure. My brother lived in Humboldt working at a "winery," too.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 2:49 PM
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more adorable houses. I'd say two-thirds of the ones I've been in were also comfortable and efficient (which is at least as good as what I'd say for Lennard, etc.), although some of them are really specific to their builder/inhabitant.

One of the vardo builders made my mother's kitchen, for instance. She's short and he's not tall and the Dwarf Lord bangs his head in it three times a day.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 3:46 PM
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I have slept in yurts, huts, thatched piles of twigs, the sheltering boughs of the pines and our Lord's starry heavens, and of them all I recommend the heavens, except for the hypothermia aspect.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 3:54 PM
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Our Lord's starry heavens don't have boughs.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 4:39 PM
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Also, you've slept in our Lord's starry heavens and yet returned to walk among us? Elijah, is that you?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 4:45 PM
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I tossed a couple of old pics of places I've lived into the pool.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 4:52 PM
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I am surprised that people like the bohemian homes in the OP, because they look like hippie homes to me, and I sort of thought many here deprecated hippies.

I think they're awesome. My places have usually looked like that, but I admit it can look more like general havoc when the place I'm in is too small (as my current place is). I'm realizing more and more that I really do want to buy a house just so I can liberate some things I love from storage in the basement.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 5:35 PM
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Bohemia, isn't that in Chechnya?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 7:10 PM
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When we were house hunting we saw a tiny little house that had been perfectly staged to strum some chord in me that I didn't know existed. It totally looked like the taste of my parents and their friends in the late 1970s. I can't quite describe it, although the craft museum exhibit posters were essential.


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Cabins far away from everything, I find them seductive and terrifying. Actually I just watched the Herzog thing about trappers in the Taiga and had the same reaction. #1 I want to be out there in the silent vast expanses! #2 God forfend I should ever be anywhere so frighteningly remote from human society!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 05- 1-13 8:35 PM
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I get the impression Heebie would have fun here. It takes you to places like this one.


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Our vaunted May Day snowstorm apparently fucked up somebody's algorithms:

http://i.imgur.com/zuE1d2L.png

(But it is seriously alleged that the high in 1 week will be 84 degrees F. It is 34 right now. This is why we can't have nice things.)


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119: Heh. Great forecasting. Everybody on FB back home is complaining about that same storm.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 2-13 5:55 AM
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20s this morning, heading for 68 later today. No way to dress for that.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 05- 2-13 6:05 AM
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Layers.


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People in Pittsburgh make jokes about how the weather here changes so much, but only because they have no idea what they are talking about.


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111, 112: Poetic license, Philistines.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 05- 2-13 6:17 AM
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121: I assume that's what shorts with sheepskin boots are for.


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